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Date: 02/27/13 11:45 AM

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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 27, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Link: Visual Effects Are Important - Respect visual effects and the artists that make them. I guess Ang Lee doesn`t.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 11:52 am
    I respect visual effects, but it`s entirely possible to make movies without them. People did it for ages before computers came around.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    @drprofessor there were still visual artists who did special effects using film based technology.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Yeah, great effects are, well "Great" as Tony the Tiger says. But I don`t care how good the CGI is, it does not make up for a bad script, bad plot, poor direction or mediocre acting.

    Example: Godzilla, Catwoman, DareDevil, Green Lantern, the last Batman movie and oh.... 3 Star Wars Films! haha
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    4 starwars films gerry. Only Ep 5 and 6 were any good.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:22 pm



    Remember when movies had those things oohh gee what were they oh ya PLOTS!! We should bring those back IN DA 3Dzzz!!!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    I hate watching CGI-fests, but don`t blame the effects artists for that. Blame the studios and directors for relying on those effects instead of plot, character development, and practical effects.
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    chuck-slik Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Is it because being "artists" means that being included as a common "crew member" would be...ugh....disgusting.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    somebody really missed their `atta-boy` a few nights ago...
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    I only care about one special effect...:Was I entertained.
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    jonswan12 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    maybe if the CGI was any good it would have won best picture
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    12chars Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    jonswan12 "Life of Pi", directed by Ang Lee, pulled down four Oscars. The most of any film this year.

    It won Best director, best cinematography, best original score, and BEST VISUAL EFFECTS. I am sure the visual effects artists helped with that somehow.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    There was a time when CGI was unknown, but even then there were artists doing `visual effects` on glass plates, celluloid and large stages.

    I believe one of the most unsung professions in Hollywood are the stuntmen and stuntwomen. You never see them get awards.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    "I believe one of the most unsung professions in Hollywood are the stuntmen and stuntwomen. You never see them get awards."

    There is no Oscar for stunts, but there is a stunt awards show. I believe it`s shown on Spike TV. I know some people in the stunt industry. I think they enjoy being on their little island on the fringe of Hollywood. What I do hear them complain about, however, is certain directors (who shall remain unnamed) who don`t take proper safety precautions and get people seriously injured or worse.
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    12chars Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    Crakr except for these awards
    These called the Taurus awards

    This guy won an academy award

    Vic Armstrong became the first stuntman to win both an Academy Award (for developing a descender rig as a safe alternative to airbags) and a Bafta award (for lifetime achievement in film).

    Also there`s the World Stunt Awards.The eight awards are: Best Fight, Best Fire Stunt, Best High Work, Best Overall Stunt by a Stunt Man, Best Overall Stunt by a Stunt Woman, Best Speciality Stunt, Best Work with a Vehicle and Best Stunt Coordinat
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    12chars: Be it as it may, they don`t often get to share the big stage and people that risk their lives and livelihoods for it, should get to do so.
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    h4krChik Female 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    I would LOVE to watch all those movies again, but without all the effects!
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    February 27, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    Yes, I would. And the fact that these whiny douche-bags feel as if they should get something other than their PAYCHECKS is laughable.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    Yes, they are artists. But to be truly a master of visual effects you have to aim to go unnoticed.

    You don`t want a spectator to go `Hey, cool effect`. You want them to not realizee it is an effect at all.

    CrakrJak-"There was a time when CGI was unknown"

    And, there was one movie, TRON (1982) that was disqualified from receiving an Academy Award nomination for special effects, because the Academy felt at the time that using computers was "cheating".
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Stuntmen "You never see them get awards"
    Legendary stuntman Hal Needham was given an award at the 2013 Oscars.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    "And the fact that these whiny douche-bags feel as if they should get something other than their PAYCHECKS is laughable."

    This goes way beyond the Oscar issue. There is a huge problem in Hollywood right now with the way the studios treat visual effects artists. Studios are asking more and more of them, and not paying them for the extra work. Many visual effects artists have to work long hours without overtime. In other cases, artists are losing their jobs to outsourcing more and more, where the studios can get shots done for cheap.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    If it makes the movie more interesting, I don`t care.
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    Ston Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    It`s not about paychecks. It`s about recognition, and respect. They`re artists, and they just want some recognition, instead of just being a line in the credits.

    their goal is that you don`t notice that what you see is CGI. To blur that line between what`s real and what`s not. They did a damn good job on the tiger, and people who don`t know it`s CGI probably thought that the tiger had a damn good trainer.

    All the team that created the co-star of the movie wants is some recognition.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    as an artist I don`t care.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 3:48 pm
    MeGrendel - I`m not sure what your point is, but the same goes for editing. Doesn`t mean they shouldn`t be recognized as individuals.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    Visual effects alone do not make a great movie.

    Avatar sucked.
  27. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    Suicism-"Doesn`t mean they shouldn`t be recognized as individuals."

    Doesn`t mean they should, either. Quite frankly, I don`t care if any of them get recognized: Actor, composer, directors, etc. The entire awards things is just a bunch of make-believers patting each other on the back make-believing they actually matter.

    Yes, they are artists. So what? So am I. I don`t care for recognition, I just want the paycheck.

    If you want your art to be appreciated, fine, more power to you. I want my work to be appreciated, too. Show me your appreciation in cash.

    For those works that are personal, that I want to do, that I feel need to be done? I do that on my own time, expecting no pay and no subsidies. Sometimes I sell them, sometimes I donate them, sometimes I keep them.

    Being an artist is just a job. Kinda like being a welder.

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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    So long as it`s done well who gives a poopty doo?
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    What about the drug dealers that keep Hollywood rolling in cocaine? They are the unsung heros of the entertainment industry.
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    comp_wizard Male 18-29
    194 posts
    February 27, 2013 at 9:38 pm
    A lot of those examples COULD have been done using costumes, makeup and pyrotechnics instead of VFX work. Movie studios simply rely on the computer enhancements because they`re cheaper.
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
    354 posts
    February 27, 2013 at 11:04 pm
    I`ve tried to explain to my eleven yr old the talent it took to actually create special effects prior to cgi. He still has a limit on how old a movie is before he`ll watch it. So I force him. Damn sad is what it is.
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    FinePoint Male 18-29
    161 posts
    February 27, 2013 at 11:05 pm
    awe boo hoo...you still got paid didnt ya? quit complaining and do your damn job.
  33. Profile photo of tuapui
    tuapui Male 18-29
    94 posts
    February 28, 2013 at 12:51 am
    wow. people just don`t understand how hard vfx is and how little the artists are paid. it`s not about how movies would look without vfx, or if vfx artists are paid or not. its about how ignorant people are about jobs they know nothing about, and how little they value the people who work their asses off to add value to entertainment for the people with `respectable jobs` that would like to unwind after a long day, or someone who would like to get lost in a fantasy.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2013 at 4:41 am
    @tuapui
    I do vfx as a hobby and it`s pretty damn easy. Sure complex animation can get pretty tricky (say the tiger), but a lot of this stuff isn`t very complicated. That being said, I still think the vfx department deserves a lot of credit.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 28, 2013 at 7:15 am
    ak4775-"I`ve tried to explain to my eleven yr old the talent it took to actually create special effects prior to cgi."

    I agree. The sculpting, video tricks and laborious stop-motion took talent. Much more interesting than someone sitting before a computer.

    But, alas, it`s common. I learned graphic design when you still used straight edges, rapidographs, ink, paint and non-photo blue pencils. When you still lettered by hand and to make a 3" logo you drew it 3 feet accross and photostatted it down to keep it clean.

    Yes, thanks to computers you can do great graphic design, quicker faster and cleaner. BUT, for the most part, we`ve lost a lot of the art that used to go into it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 8:25 am
    Ang Lee is probably still pissed at visual artists because of the incredible hulk.
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    Howler81 Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 8:53 am
    Listen to the commentary on "Avengers." Whedon talks a LOT about meeting with the VFX team to create the Hulk: bringing in Mark Ruffalo in to talk about certain scenes with them (not just for the motion capture), talking about his ideas for the Hulk`s inner nature, writing letters, and describing the Hulk as a collaborative effort between Ruffalo and the team. That`s why the 10 minutes of onscreen Hulk in the Avengers is more effective than the entirety of Ang Lee`s "Hulk" film.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 10:57 am
    Give credit where credit is due, everyone goes home happy.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    February 28, 2013 at 11:01 am
    cooooooooooooooooool
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    i never noticed thor standing there like a bad ass in that scene in avengers when cap is blocking the blast of fire with his shield protecting black widow. this seems kind of pushy. every one knows how important visual effects are to modern day movie making, weve seen avatar. this non-nice individual doesnt need to act like no one cares.
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    rickwhite Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    The entertainment industry is probably the one business that everyone is an expert on--yet doesn`t work in. Because they read something on a blog, saw entertainment tonight, etc etc.

    As someone who works in post-production, this is VERY refreshing to see. It`s about damn time the word got out about how disgusting a sweat-shop it is. There is no other industry where people have such high-skill, education, and put such investment into themselves to have such little return.

    It would blow your mind how poorly everyone is paid & treated, and worst of all, how thankless the job is... even though it saves everyone`s ass, EVERY. TIME.

    There are times I make less than minimum wage, get no compensation for overtime, have no benefits, sick days, etc.
    And I`m reminded, every day, how lucky I am to be working by someone who can barely use a computer, takes a 2 hour lunch, and makes $2500 a week.
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    tuapui Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2013 at 9:59 am
    no. vfx isn`t easy. rotoscoping is nothing to laugh at.

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