Teacher Publicly Quits His Job

Submitted by: captkangaroo 4 years ago in

Another reason America is falling behind.
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Female 2,691
Ooh, it was just like being back in school. I fell asleep.
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Male 5
@CrakrJak
There are several TED talk’s about computerized learning in the classroom that is currently in the works. About 14 years ago Cisco Networks actually implemented this at the high school level.

You were allowed to login remotely from home and do the coursework or go into class and do the coursework. This is great if you want to move ahead quicker. You could only do the testing in class and you could do it whenever you felt you were ready.

The content was comprised of a combination of reading material, audio, video and some interaction. You could go through the content as fast or as slow as you wanted. If you are a fast learner you could breeze ahead of the class vs being held back at the pace of the class.

Each portion of the course is tracked so the teacher knows exactly how you are progressing through the course. You were never allowed to view anyone’s score so you never know how anyone did. This created a
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Male 5
@patchouly
New teachers have to create their own curriculum for a given subject. Years ago I spoke with a new teacher who began teaching at the elementary level. I learnt that it usually takes 1-2 years before a new teacher has finalized their curriculum. At that point the teacher can breeze through each year with very little effort but in the beginning they are stressed out trying to create their curriculum. If a teacher is lazy they can buy curriculum templates/plans created by other teachers online.
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Male 23
One last point. When my oldest son was in 3rd grade, he was nearly reading at a 5th grade level. The result was the teacher didn`t challenge him at all, knowing he was easily pass the standardized test. She didn`t challenge him to improve at all, and wouldn`t even suggest books for him to read on his level.
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Male 23
Sorry for the wall of text and I definitely am not trying to attack you. I am just unhappy with the current system. One example is the school system is "concerned" over my 2nd graders reading. He is reading over 60 words a minute. The books he`s reading include 3 syllable words, some of which are 10+ letters wrong. I think that is pretty good for an 8 year old, but we`ve had multiple meetings discussing his reading problem.

His teacher last year hinted she considered holding him back for his reading, but didn`t because he scored in the top 80-90 national on all the other tested subjects. He`s a smart kid. He just is taking a little longer in 1 subject. That`s why this cookie cutter education system isn`t good.

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Male 23
Gerry I totally agree with some of your points, but not others. I have 2 boys, 1 in 8th grade and 1 in 2nd.
I agree that we have to go back to way teaching used to be, it isn`t working now. I agree that teachers need more power/control over the students, not less.
I disagree with you on the importance of social interaction for the kids. It is a big part of becoming a successful adult, and only learning that at home isn`t enough. The emphasis on tests (so the schools get more funding) is more about memorization and short term memory than actual learning. They expect kids to learn reading and math at grade levels at least 2 years beyond 20 years ago, but don`t emphasize arts (if included at all) and have phys ed once, maybe twice a week. Growing as a person and learning how to deal with situations has gone out the window.
I would imagine if you sat in a classroom for 2 weeks you would be shocked and angry at the "education" standardized testing has turned our educ
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Male 38,455

After reading all these posts I completely understand why the people I interview cannot write a correct sentence. Why they feel put upon when asked to do anything outside of the strict, written job description. And why they feel entitled to a raise just for showing up mostly on time.

Children should be raised to be functioning adults. But now I see why so many 35-year-olds can`t cope and have to move back in with momma.

I have been enlightened by this thread. I am bathed in understanding. And I am so very pleased with myself that I raised my son differently.
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Female 582
"Maybe we could teach them that their employer will not care how challened or happy they are.... No, their employer only cares that they have the discipline to do the damn work."

You must have a really pooty job.

Instead of teaching kids that work is a miserable obligation, teach that work can be fun and engaging. Every adult knows that work is an obligation and can be tough but we`re motivated by the need to earn a living. Kids have no such motivation because they are, by definition, immature.

If we want kids to be engaged and excited about learning, then we need to combine fun with discipline.

"How about you let the family meet those needs and let the school teach history, maths, sciences, music, etc. "

Again, you must have a really pooty job.

One of the best indicators of work satisfaction is social interaction. Childhood is also defined by social growth. If schools only allow obedience an minimal socializat
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Male 75
He is correct, all they do now it teach the test. Try learning something you don`t want to learn and sit still while doing it. Sure.. Now when a kid can`t sit still during the lesson on a subject they don`t find interesting they have ADHD and need powerful addictive drugs to make them sit still. I wonder if Adderall has anything to do with the mass school shooting of late.
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Male 38,455

[quote]"If we want people, kids or adults, to be their most productive, then we must understand the importance of filling their physiological and social needs." [/quote]
How about you let the family meet those needs and let the school teach history, maths, sciences, music, etc.

Maybe we could teach them that their employer will not care how challened or happy they are. Their employer will not be troubled if they find their work unfullfilling. No, their employer only cares that they have the discipline to do the damn work. That`s a lesson we have failed to teach our darling little snow flakes.
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Male 38,455

All I know is the more we adopt plans and schemes of modern educators and their theories, the lower test scores drop and the dumber students get. It`s time to stop moving in that direction and maybe take a step back to the more traditional methods. Obviously what they`re doing now is not working. By any measurable standard the US school systems is failing and getting worses each year. No matter how much money is thrown into it the results get worse.

Yes, time to stop, step back and take a look at what was working. Then do that again. Time to paddle those bastards when they don`t behave!!! {I jest on that last bits....sort of}
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Female 582
@Gerry

The average school system focuses on regurgitation of facts, not developing critical thinking skills.

Taking away a kid`s recess isn`t a harsh lesson in adulthood. It`s cruel. Adults have a tough time sitting and focusing on dry material for 8 hours a day, let alone kids who haven`t developed impulse control!

The best employers do exactly what we wish from our schools. They gauge performance on multiple metrics besides just output. They provide exercise facilities, require social gatherings, have a creative and aesthetically pleasing work environment and/or even allow you to bring you pets!

If we want people, kids or adults, to be their most productive, then we must understand the importance of filling their physiological and social needs.

Telling that a kid can`t watch TV until his homework is finished is a life lesson. Telling a kid to do something unreasonably difficult makes him unhappy, gets him into trouble, and sets him up for
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Female 500
A-men, my brother! (I just really wanted to use that.)
I had a lot of trouble in school because of such a system. There`s nothing the teachers can do about it; it`s a problem with the system. Glad to be out.
And OldOllie, it pretty much is just you. My favorite teachers were always male teachers. Female teachers irritated the hell out of me, and still do. There`s just that something about them.
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Male 38,455

@ Ollie - [quote]is it just me [/quote]
It`s just you.
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Male 15,832
Reason #477 to abolish government schools.

Also, is it just me, or is it a little creepy for men to be teaching primary grades?
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Male 2,988
@Gerry - your right, its not just the parents. another big part is the standardized tests that children learn to take rather than learn real material. but the schools push these tests because they determine rank and fund and stuff like that. a damn shame what it has become. :-(
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Male 38,455

So...who`s TommyJohny15 or is that just some spam bot trying to get people to reply by email?

Never know...I`m not replying of course, interweb being what it is.

But if you`re real, let me know.
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Male 38,455

@ CoyoteKing - I agree. The parents are not wholely the problem, but they are certainly a big part of it. They tie the schools hands and then blame them for not doing more.
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Male 2,988
"The tried & true disciplines work in Japan as well (as China)"

teachers there are allowed to discipline the children and steer them in the right direction. that is not allowed these days in america. this sums it up fairly well:


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Male 2,988
@Gerry his resignation would take A LOT longer if he did mention all those you asked for. but i bet if you found a way to contact him that he knows all the answers you seek immediately
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Male 38,455

Really guys. He made some accusations but did he give you a single fact?
An REAL policy that prevents him from doing .... what? He never said. Just that he couldn`t teach outside the approved methods. What were those?.... he never said.

And yet everyone`s on this guys side. I want more info before I join Team-Teacher
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Male 5,620
"Why are they feeding them breakfast? Do the parents to ANYTHING anymore?

"By lunchtime students become starved for social contact" so what! Just cause they wanna play doesn`t mean they get to. Try instilling some discipline. School is not for texting, it`s for learning how to read. Lunch is for social contact.

Recess as a Bargaining Chip: Life Lesson, if you don`t behave you don`t get the perks.

He whined he couldn`t be creative. So why can`t he be creative during the lessons? What`s stopping him? Yes there is an accepted curriculum... every job on the planet has an approved working method. Only 4 or 5 kids could "hold it together"... something wrong with your teaching method dude, if all the kids fail it`s probably your fault.

We`re better off without this loser."

Gerry -- keep believing that. I need the job security. (I work as an in-school child and family therapist, and my case load just keeps on growing.)
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Male 38,455

" all that stuff works in China"

Good point! The tried & true disciplines work in Japan as well and they have some very bright people. Very disturbed people sexually, but still quite inventive.

As for their high suicide rate, please show me a causal link between that and their education system otherwise it`s not relevant. >-( <--Asian frownie face HA!
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Male 3,612
what all that stuff works in China.

"China has one of the highest suicide rates in the world"

never mind
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Male 17,512
patchgrabber: My idea is that kids could be tested, without it feeling like a test, done gradually, as they learn using computers/ipads/laptops. Why take a whole huge test all at once and create a lot of test anxiety, when it`s possible to do the same thing, several questions at a time, throughout the year using computers?

Doesn`t that seem more logical and practical too?
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Male 5,811
@crakr: You could be right. Where I was coming from was that it would just be "too much work" for teachers and then they just wouldn`t do it, since tests are the `standard` and it`s infinitely easier to put an op-scan sheet into a reader than it is to test knowledge more comprehensively.
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Male 17,512
patchgrabber: I do believe in this computerized age that it would be possible for a child`s knowledge base to be tracked without them being forced to take tests all the time. this would not only clue in teachers to the students that need more attention, but also reward the brighter students.
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Male 17,512
patchouly: One rigid curriculum for all, doesn`t work. That`s `cookie cutter` education and it`s boring as all hell.

Yes there should be standards, even tests once in awhile. But these days it`s all about studying for the tests instead of actually teaching. Kids are too individual and varied for such a one-size-fits-all approach.

There are a lot of charter schools that do much better at teaching kids and they do it without shoving test questions down their throats every hour of the day.
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Male 5,811
[quote]And if not tests, how do you know if they`ve learned the material?[/quote]
This is a problem. The thing about tests is that they`re one of the worst ways of actually testing knowledge, but they`re also the most efficient means to grade students. Optimally there would be a multi-faceted approach that would entail labs, tutorials or other `hands-on` based learning/demonstration, along with assignments and written work throughout the semester. But that`s not likely to happen across the board.
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Male 38,455

Would you rather have students that can`t pass a test?
And if not tests, how do you know if they`ve learned the material? I always had test anxiety and did poorly on tests so I wish there were a better way, but I`ve not heard of a better method.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Tests gauge if they learned the material or not, happy play time does not. [/quote]
Tests gauge if they memorized the material for this one day or not, happy play time does not.

FTFY
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Male 338
"like it`s a bad thing to be able to take and pass a college admissions test or your high school finals"

Of course it isn`t bad to be able to pass tests....so long as that isn`t ALL you`re taught how to do
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Male 38,455

I see you guys want engaged, passionate teachers. I`m with you. But this guy`s complaints are rather generic.

He said "Creating test takers" like it`s a bad thing to be able to take and pass a college admissions test or your high school finals. Tests gauge if they learned the material or not, happy play time does not.

As for his "creative teaching techniques" that are not permitted, what are they? Are they some crackpot scheme ? He doesn`t say. It could be he`s wanting to teach Ebonics as a "creative technique" and I`m NOT in favor of that.

He seems nice, but what are the real details? He doesn`t say. But he can`t work within the guidelines of his employer then it`s best he leave. Good luck, don`t let the door hit you on the way out.
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Male 4,746
I agree that the teaching methods are broken, but the teacher doesn`t get to make up their own curriculum. One great teacher means you learn well, one bad teacher and you`re screwed. Best to have a set curriculum that teachers must follow. That way it isn`t left up to chance.
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Male 2,756
Gerry- All that you say sounds very nice... until one looks at the uneducated kids being graduated from schools these days.
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Male 5,874
I wish this man the best of luck for the future. Somewhere there is an establishment that will welcome his ethos. Sadly all we can do is watch as the educational establishment is reduced to a point-scoring establishment. Unfortunately for the bulk of society this is true.
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Male 307
@greenbasterd ...ying pan.
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Male 307
They get breakfast at school o.O?
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Male 38,455

Why are they feeding them breakfast? Do the parents to ANYTHING anymore?

"By lunchtime students become starved for social contact" so what! Just cause they wanna play doesn`t mean they get to. Try instilling some discipline. School is not for texting, it`s for learning how to read. Lunch is for social contact.

Recess as a Bargaining Chip: Life Lesson, if you don`t behave you don`t get the perks.

He whined he couldn`t be creative. So why can`t he be creative during the lessons? What`s stopping him? Yes there is an accepted curriculum... every job on the planet has an approved working method. Only 4 or 5 kids could "hold it together"... something wrong with your teaching method dude, if all the kids fail it`s probably your fault.

We`re better off without this loser.
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Male 17,512
This teacher is right on.

Kids aren`t treated like kids anymore, they are made to conform like automatons. They don`t get individualized attention, which means the both the good and bad students are stuck in the same tedious regimen day after day.

I experienced some of this changing school atmosphere in elementary school myself. Boredom led to mischief and daydreaming in my case. Thankfully a few teachers did spark my interest and kept me from becoming a zombie or worse.

I can`t imagine how bad it is now and hope that this country will wake up and learn how to teach kids again, and fire the boring d|ckheads that insist on strict discipline above all else.
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Male 2,376
Murika, land of the fr...
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Male 2,552
So many truths. A lot of the reasons why I don`t send my kids to public schools.
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Male 1,950
I hope he applies for a BoE or principal job. It`d be nice to see how he fights the system *then*.
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Female 280
THIS is how a teacher is supposed to be.
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Male 2,756
Link: Teacher Publicly Quits His Job [Rate Link] - Another reason America is falling behind.
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