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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    Link: Symbols - Everything for your beliefs.
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    WorldOfJames Male 18-29
    978 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    heh
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    So true...Nazi`s are truly a *blip* in the massive effed up history of Christianity. I think Jesus would be ashamed.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    I really REALLY want to share this but sadly...I live in the Bible belt.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    now you`ve done it ..
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
    674 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    Who could argue that? Put on your insane helmut and start your rebuttle. Good luck with that!
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    all for the greater good
  8. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Don`t just stand there be a smartie!
    Come and join the Nazi Party!





    Springtime for Hitler
    And Germany .......
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 5:26 pm
    Wow, how horribly bigoted.
  10. Profile photo of CoyoteKing
    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    "Wow, how horribly bigoted."

    I know, right. The Christian history makes the Nazi history look like chump change.
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    jbwhite Male 18-29
    1292 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    @paddy215

    historical fact cannot impress bigotry.
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    Skythe Male 18-29
    965 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    Because making stuff like this and posting it on the internet doesn`t perpetuate anything amirite?
  13. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    The real game is to figure out which one is worse.
  14. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:26 pm
    Completely false atheist rhetoric.

    Shall I re-post all the horrific genocide and ethnic cleansing of atheist driven regimes?

    Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc..
  15. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1107 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm
    Religion had its uses..system of moral policy and standards due to actual policy enforcing being next to impossible. simply obselete now that technology does most of the work... downside its almost impossible to change things now...lesser of two evils?
  16. Profile photo of Magickrat
    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    Religion is for weak-minded people who need something to praise when things go right & lean on when things go wrong...
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm
    No wonder the Nazis were so threatened by this menacing force.
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    gymcoach29 Male 30-39
    363 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    Actually, the Swastika was a religious symbol at one point. Hitler saw it in a church and began using it as his symbol but the symbol itself dates back 3000 years or more.
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    Wayoldman Male 50-59
    72 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Crakr, I couldn`t say it better. I will add to it, Man refuses God, God doesn`t refuse man.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 7:14 pm

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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    @Wayoldman: "Man refuses Invisible Sky Wizard, Invisible Sky Wizard doesn`t refuse man"

    i fixed it for you. you`re welcome.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36643 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    If you think about it there`s not much differance between the two organizations.
    Both say if you don`t agree with them you will burn. Only differance is how quick you hit the flames.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
    1502 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    @ Magickrat - I see it more as a crutch.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    SO EDGY DAWG
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm
    Well, it looks like everyone is on the same page here. Next post...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Put a Muslim moon next to it and then it`s Islamaphobia.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm
    But really, do we have to say Jesus = Hitler now?
  28. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    "Shall I re-post all the horrific genocide and ethnic cleansing of atheist driven regimes?"


    Yes please... with times, dates, and written proof from the perpetrator that it was atheist ideology that drove them to it.

    There are probably many atheists that have committed genocide Crackr.... but did they set out on their killing proudly claiming "I`m doing this because I don`t believe in God."?

    Because most if not all of the ones committed by religious people start with the premise of "i`m doing this for God."



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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:28 pm
    Listypoos, you can`t let your disdain for religion get in the way with reason. Atheists have killed people. Obviously they didn`t say they did it in the name of atheism, because that inherently doesn`t make sense.

    The worst Genocide ever was Mao. That was upwards of 50 million. He said he was willing to sacrifice a few hundred million Chinese in the name of his cute little revolution.

    Then Stalin. His deaths range from between 20-60 million, depending on how and what you count. Having done my Master`s thesis on this, I would count closer to the high end.

    Adolf Hitler was responsible for 6-10 million genocide deaths, plus the deaths associated with a war. Anyone who says Hitler was a model Christian is blinded by ideology. Read the Hitler Table Talks.

    And then people talk about how awesome Buddhism is. Well, Tojo was a Buddhist.

    But this whole conversation is dumb. Don`t call people Nazis and act like atheists haven`t done that same. You are
  30. Profile photo of Andrew155
    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    I`m not even Christian, nor would I ever call myself Christian. But you guys are deranged about religion. Just like the Evangelicals. Strange bed fellows you guys would be.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    This post is ridiculous troll bait, and I`m far from a religious person. For all their persecution, torture, and crusading, no religious group can touch the scale of destruction the Nazis achieved. 2.5% of the world`s population died in WW2, and that was only in six years of war.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    This is getting worse... and worse..

    seriously? Why even post this sort of thing. What point are you trying to make posting it?

    I assume you have 1 of 2 possible reasons for posting it:

    1. You want to run off what few Christians frequent this site.

    or

    2. You want to start the same old bull poo flame war arguing why I should reject religion.

    Either way, I am about sick and damn tired of it. It has got to the point I hardly ever log in anymore.

    Just stop it.

    Seriously.

    It isn`t remotely entertaining, nor is it worth anyone`s time.

    Stop it.

    And, do it before this site is nothing more than a waste of internets.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
    3446 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    "Guns Don`t Kill People..."
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    I just don`t get it, of all the things people waste their time submitting, you have to post unentertaining, inflammatory crap. Do you guys (mods) know there is a live submissions link at the bottom of the page? You could click it once in a while and post some of that stuff, It`s far more entertaining.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    CoyoteKing: the only think you did was reinforce that statement...

    elkingo: dueces homie. half the reason i come to this site anymore is for the political/religious/sexual bashing of others. the other half is for some of the hot chicks on fancys HD...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    Maybe the latter is worse in per capita terms, but I digress. It`s all horrible, unjustified, most of all sanctioned by unrestrained executive power.
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    shiftyplus1 Male 18-29
    311 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    I can`t roll my eyes any harder at this.
  38. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36643 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Religion and Nazis.... What would happen if you combined the two?

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    soundman655 Male 50-59
    1558 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    And they haven`t changed one bit!!
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    elkingo - How ironic that those who want to practice freedom of religion seem to want to stifle the freedom of speech of those who oppose them.

    SIT DOWN & SHUT YOUR HEAD HOLE.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
    1793 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:28 pm
    truth hurts...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:41 pm
    @Listypoos - That`s exactly what needed to be asked of Crakr and his bullsh*t comment about "Atheist driven regimes" as he calls them. Like you said, the difference is that while they may have been Atheist, their killing wasn`t motivated by the fact that they didn`t believe in a god.

    If you`d like to do a little research on the topic then you should click this link: Mass Crimes Against Humanity & Genocide

    It`s a pretty thorough listing and description of all crimes against humanity, going back to biblical times, that have been motivated by religion. Keep in mind, this is from a website called "Religious Tolerance" which is neither for, nor against, religion. It`s purpose is to try to get others to see that we should all stop the bullsh*t and get along with each other regardless of what you choose to believe.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:19 pm

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:20 pm
    I mustn`t feed the troll. I mustn`t feed the troll.......... hnnng.
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 12:03 am
    Just so much hate.
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 12:09 am
    All I see is hate.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7552 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 12:19 am
    okay- lets be reasonable. Torture, Murder, Genocide are all done by people- usually for power and gain- but sometimes in a belief that the hobby they enjoy ( killing people- usually slowly) will make the world better. If it is done in the name of a God then it justifies those terrible acts- but to get others to join in the fun then you need a rallying cry- religious belief works well for this, as does oppression or- well- quite a few things. I have no love for any religion- It is illogical and stifling- but to say that this is the fault of any religion is stretching it. All religions are man made creations and reflect the wishes of the humans of the people within that religion.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7552 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 12:20 am
    Memo to self- wear glasses. --reflects the wishes of those people within that religion
  49. Profile photo of Francakes
    Francakes Female 18-29
    157 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 12:23 am
    I think modern North Korea, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Nazi Germany and plenty of other anti religious groups have oppressed and killed a lot more people than Christian groups. It`s like comparing cops to the military...just because some cops kill people doesn`t mean they are equal. They are both really different. Plus Christian groups have a lot of charities that do really good things, from soup kitchens to medical clinics.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 2:05 am
    Comment re-post alert:
    Pack it in you lot down there !!!



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    Mr_Ike Male 18-29
    172 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 4:08 am
    @Francakes

    You might want to check your history books (The independent ones with the correct numbers). Christianity has a history filled violence, oppression, torture and (psychological) abuse unrivaled by ANY other regime.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    February 16, 2013 at 4:29 am
    But really, do we have to say Jesus = Hitler now?

    Shall I re-post all the horrific genocide and ethnic cleansing of atheist driven regimes?
    Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc..

    Once again the point flies over everyone`s head. What it shows is man`s inhumanity to man. No, Jesus isn`t the same as Hitler but Jesus didn`t advocate the collecting of billions of dollars in his name. He didn`t ask for hulking great cathedrals to be built in his name. He didn`t ask for the hoarding of billions of dollars worth of art to be stored away whilst people starved and were ignored in the world.
    All these regimes were set up with the sole purpose of controlling the masses. They were just given different names and went about it in different ways.
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
    319 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 5:41 am
    Things like this is why the "new atheism" will ultimately fail. Simplistic, hateful, self-righteous bullcrap will only appeal to people so long before it gets tiresome.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 5:47 am
    "Simplistic, hateful, self-righteous bullcrap will only appeal to people so long before it gets tiresome."

    Well that approach has got Christianity 2000yrs and counting so far.
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
    319 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 5:53 am
    No need to draw out my point, Listypoos. If the internet is to be believed, the argument is already over once comparisons to the Nazis are drawn.
  56. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 5:59 am
    Magickrat - opposing someone`s religious beliefs is something entirely different than running someone else`s religious beliefs down constantly.

    Believe whatever you wish to believe. It isn`t my concern to run that down. It just simply isn`t healthy. It is also a complete and utter waste of time, and is greatly annoying.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2013 at 6:00 am
    Zach82 - agreed. I`ve already had my fill of it. Lol
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    Smoothjc1 Male 50-59
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    February 16, 2013 at 6:39 am
    YOUR comments LOL
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    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 6:57 am
    Once again, the anti-Christian movement showing what stellar, super-tolerant people they are. Because as we all know, every living Christian in 2013 thinks the Crusades were a great thing and want to do them all over again.

    "I`m not even Christian, nor would I ever call myself Christian. But you guys are deranged about religion. Just like the Evangelicals. Strange bed fellows you guys would be."

    Truer words could not be said. Take a good hard look at the comparison between Christianity and Nazism and think about it. Talk about mindless anti-faith ideology.
  60. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7552 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 7:00 am
    Okay- lets reapaet more simply. Religion is man-made. Men do horrid things to each other- what `cause `they use is irrelevant. If God existed then this argument might hold water- but there is NO SUCH THING AS GOD- so it doesn`t- all evil is done by men, to men- for men....
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
    338 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 7:21 am
    >all evil is done by men

    feminazi much?
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 7:30 am
    Believers are always quick to say "you believe what you want I`ll believe what I want" thing. But it`s funny, I`ve never had atheists come up to my door and shove their beliefs down my throat. Or random people that I don`t even know take a half hour of my time belittling me and basically calling me stupid because I don`t believe in God. Just last week I was loading my truck up for a dump run and a guy walks by, introduces himself and invites me to his church. All I say is no thank you, then I couldn`t get rid of the guy. I have NEVER done anything like that. If somebody asks me what I believe and why, I`m more than happy to explain. But I never try and convince anyone that my beliefs are a better option than theirs.
  63. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 7:42 am
    I don`t think you religious guys have a right to tell us we can`t be upset. Pointing out how crappy it was is only pointing out one facet of the problem. If you want to ignore how crappy religion has been in the past and focus on how it is now, we can always look at the child rape cases.

    But, how about we make it more personal. How about we look at how an atheist can be denied a job because no religious folks would want one around them. How about how an Atheist will be picked on, relentlessly, at school by his/her peers for not believing in the magical floating sky wizard that they were brainwashed into believing in?

    Religious people are asshats that treat Atheists like crap. Not to mention the fact that there is nothing more frustrating than someone who insists something is real, when there is proof that it isn`t. We have science behind us to show that the words of the Bible are wrong. If the words of the Bible are wrong, than what are you basing your faith on
  64. Profile photo of Kegomatix
    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:08 am
    @patchouly

    I had to lie about believing in God when I was a kid just to avoid the ridicule that came with being an Atheist. I hope things have changed, but when I was a kid in school, if you were a non-believer you were shunned. And with good reason, too. If the kids are told by their parents that non-believers worship the devil and are going to hell of course that`s what they`re going to believe. It wasn`t until high school that I realized I didn`t give a poo what people thought.
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    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:10 am
    @Kegomatix

    I`ve also never had an atheist come up to my door and try to convince me that my religious beliefs are wrong. It does happen every day on the internet though. Then the atheists EXPLICITLY tell me that I`m an idiot for believing in God and no matter what I say or do, they just come back again and compare my faith to nazism. They then try to convince me that their beliefs are not only a better option than mine, but in fact the only legitimate option. Then they follow it all up by telling me that I am intolerant and that they aren`t.

    As has already been stated, there is a HUGE difference between not agreeing with Christianity and attacking all Christians because of the actions of a vocal majority.
  66. Profile photo of Kilgore89
    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:12 am
    @Patchouly

    I`m not sure where YOU went to school, but I was openly ridiculed on a daily basis because I DID believe in God. It`s a two way street. I actually had a girl tell me that she thought I was really smart until she found out that I believed in God.
  67. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:16 am
    Cool.. I was wondering if we would see the "Christianity picked on me as a kid.... SCIENCE! Thus that makes it okay to lash out like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum in Toys R us." argument. Thank you patchouly and Kegomatix, you do not disappoint.
  68. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:18 am
    "someone who insists something is real, when there is proof that it isn`t."

    You have proof that God doesn`t exist? Show me a link.
  69. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:21 am
    "How about we look at how an atheist can be denied a job because no religious folks would want one around them."

    They applied at chik-fil-a or something?

    Seriously, I wouldn`t hire someone who banged on about something all the time (religion or lack of).

    How did the potential employer know they were an atheist? Did they introduce themselves as one? Did it ask on the application? Is it part of their resume?

    I call bullpoo on that.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
    508 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:21 am
    Comparing christian based atrocities to those of atheism, is like comparing the Atlantic ocean to a rain puddle.

    What I find amusing, is the christian defense that they aren`t the only ones to commit crimes against humanity. As if it justifies their own evils.
  71. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:25 am
    "picked on, relentlessly, at school by his/her peers for not believing in the magical floating sky wizard"

    First, quit being disrespectful and maybe people won`t "pick on you, relentlessly." I think you know referring to the Christian God as a "sky wizard" is flameatory and will cause dissent. If you don`t, take this as an education.
  72. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:29 am
    @antagonizer - that isn`t the defense. The argument is that mankind will commit atrocities in the name of anything, in order to justify their actions. Cases have been made, for example, that religion has very little if any to do with *insert historical event here*. And to further back it up, cases have been made where religion was not a case.

    If you want to believe that Christians are trying to hide something, or be deceptive, go right ahead and believe that. It has been argued to the point that no one cares anymore, and this old rhetoric is getting boring.
  73. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:31 am
    "As if it justifies their own evils."

    Right, because when I get off the internet I am going to suit up in platemail and sharpen my sword and ride my noble steed to run the Muslims out of the holy land.
  74. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:34 am
    "we can always look at the child rape cases."

    Show me one single church covenant that has rape permitted in it. Otherwise, you are going to need to prove that Christianity lead some sicko pervert to either become perverted, or justify rape.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:36 am
    "We have science behind us to show that the words of the Bible are wrong."

    Any "scientist" that seeks to either confirm or deny the existence of a God is simply not a scientist.

    Now, if you are going to use science to debate the authenticity of the dead sea scrolls, then don`t get pissed when I teach you about the Irish Catholics who preserved other religious documents.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5434 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:41 am
    @Zach82 - Does Godwin`s Rule of Nazi Analogies apply when someone starts the argument with Nazi references?

    You are right though.. Reductio ad Hitlerum.

    Perhaps as Godwin suggested they should consider the Holocaust a bit more closely.
  77. Profile photo of TheGuySmiley
    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Bias. The atheist regimes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and others murdered far more people than died in all the religious wars, persecution, etc, in history. Atheists say that these folks weren`t killing in the name of atheism. But the simple fact is that communism is an avowedly atheistic philosophy. These were atheists. The 20th century was by far the bloodiest in history. More people died at the hands of their own governments in the 20th century than were killed in all the wars in history combined before the 20th century. And the vast, vast, majority of this killing was done by atheistic regimes (150 million).

    http://statehate.tumblr.com/post/7438261366/the-atrocities-of-theism-and-atheism-compared

    In light of this, is it any wonder people are skeptical of athiest morality & good-will?
  78. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 16, 2013 at 8:49 am
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 8:57 am
    Theguysmiley... At first glance his figures look to be a crock of poo. And why is he including in his pie charts the figures for deaths from one particular disease, the plague? He`s not included other natural cause figures like influenza, so why that one just to beef out the stats?
  80. Profile photo of antagonizer
    antagonizer Male 18-29
    508 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 9:01 am
    @TheGuySmiley "is it any wonder people are skeptical of athiest morality & good-will?"

    Really? Christians, who make up 81% of the population constitute 84% of prison inmates whereas atheists, who make up 15% of the population only constitute .2% of prison inmates...

    I think you`re concerned with the morality of the wrong people. lol
  81. Profile photo of robthelurker
    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:16 am
    yeah, but crosses seem to have been more effective at warding off evil spirits in my house (if you believe in such things). also my cats. cats are protectors of the underworld you know. the ancient egyptians and all that. come on, the people who made those giant ass 3d triangles in the middle of the desert all those years ago cant be wrong, right?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:27 am
    Gerry: The Vatican, in Rome, didn`t have any choice when it came to the Italian nazis coming to power. They had to accept their rule over Italy or be invaded themselves. Many in the Vatican helped shuttle Jews and other refugees out of Italy.

    So ya, some raised their hands in public, while at the same time smuggling refugees out the back. It was a dangerous tightrope to walk that could`ve got them all killed.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:32 am
    Btw,



    This guy raised his hand in nazi salute too. But he also saved over 1200 Jews from the holocaust.
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:36 am
    First of all Hitler was Catholic and had an alliance with Vatican. Hitler`s birthday was celebrated each year with declaration from the pulpit. Although privately skeptical in his later years, it was Christianity that lead him to see Jewish people as the problem that needed a solution.
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:40 am
    On the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words GOTT MIT UNS which means "God with Us." So you can try to lay the deaths of millions at the feet of the non religious, but isn`t it more likely that there are terrible people in the world who crave power and commit atrocities. There is no evidence that belief in a supernatural being causes people to behave any better than those who rely on reason and evidence.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:42 am
    "The atheist regimes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and others..."

    Are there any History majors on here that can talk about this? Why is Hitler being thrown in with these Atheists? Everything I have read on him suggest that Hitler was religious, he just stopped attending church. He never left his church.
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:42 am
    And the Bible is a warrant for genocide and slavery.
  88. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:54 am
    SheaSF: Hitler wasn`t Catholic, he was into paganism, astrology, and Norse mythology. What`s really absurd is that he may have been Jewish himself, but we`ll never know for sure because he bombed the town of his birth to the ground.

    "And the Bible is a warrant for genocide and slavery."

    Okay, now I get it, your a troll.

    Please go crawl back under your bridge.
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:07 am
    And where is the discussion of the millions that have died in Africa from priest telling people that condoms cause AIDS? What about the children succumbing to Polio in countries where Islamic mullas are telling people the vaccine is a Western plot to sterilize Muslims?
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:12 am
    I`m not a troll. You clearly haven`t read the Bible. It is clear from the writings of Paul that god expects us to keep slaves and he even gives advice on how slaves should behave. And did the god of the Old Testament not mean it all the times he commanded the Israelites to kill the women and children and infants of their foes (saving the virgin girls, for what we can only imagine). Not a troll, just informed. Hitler never left the church, and it`s where he got his hatred of the Jews.
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:12 am
    SheaSF: And where is your bridge so you may slither back under it?
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    Look, I apologize for everything that was done in my name, but honestly, you people did it to yourselves. I didn`t do it. Men wrote the Bible, not I. And you all know how men tell lies. What I say to you is always misunderstood and misinterpreted, so why should I say anything?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:15 am
    "Hitler wasn`t Catholic, he was into paganism, astrology, and Norse mythology."

    We`re going to need a source on this, and one that does not include the words Glenn or Beck.
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:17 am
    Why didn`t the Catholic Church excommunicate Adolf Hitler? They excommunicated Joseph Goebbels, not for his crimes, but for marrying a Protestant. Hitler was his best man.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:18 am
    markust: Do your own research on it. Most of the time when I do it you reject it out of hand.

    But to get you going, Try Here first.
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:20 am
    Sorry the truth is such a wet blanket. Fine. I`ll leave you to go back to you make believe.
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:20 am
    SheaSF: Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church. Being baptized at birth doesn`t get you into the church, you have to be confirmed and Adolf didn`t do so. You can`t excommunicate someone whose not been confirmed.
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:32 am
    But he was a Christian and did believe in God though right Crakr? He did say so himself in his book and during speeches...he just didn`t recognise many of the jewish origins.

    How does him believing in God..even if not confirmed into the catholic church (although being brought up as one as a child) - how does that make him an atheist?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:39 am
    Really, after this long you don`t think I did my own research on it CrakrJak? That is why I asked. Although my research was just as lazy as yours (Wikipedia). The word Norse is not mention. As far as your Astrology claim there was only one mention, "Hitler had no interest in astrology." So far you were 0 for 2. There is only one mention of Paganism and that is through his contact to Lanz von Liebenfels. So 0 for 3. But there are 23 mentions of Catholic (after removing the ones listed in the sources). And what is mentioned makes it pretty clear he was a Catholic to his death, although not a very good one. 0 for 4 is why I asked for a source.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:45 am
    "Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church."

    Seriously, where are you getting your misinformation? This is from the same source I listed below, "He was confirmed on 22 May 1904, and also sang in the choir at the monastery." Is this going to be the day that you finally admit that you are wrong about something?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:47 am
    If you want a more Catholic source here you go, "Adolf Hitler was confirmed in 1904, but did not often attend Mass."
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    banur Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 11:01 am
    TheGuySmiley: Atheists say that these folks weren`t killing in the name of atheism.
    And that is the point. They are not killing in the name of atheism. The parties in the crusades were killing in the name of their religions, but if someone kills today he is most likely not killing in the name of his religion if he has one.
    Atheists can kill in it`s name but it isn`t likely as atheism is nothing active.
    It is like comparing killings on the basis of car owners vs. non car owners and blaming the fact that people did or didn`t own a car as the driving (duh - no pun) criteria for their killings. Yes, for some that might be the cause but not for the majority.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 11:04 am
    Completely off topic. I tend to catch myself using `and` at the beginning of a sentence. I try to get them out but some get through. Since it really is a conjunction (thank you School House Rock) is it ever allowed to use `and` at the beginning of a sentence?
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    February 16, 2013 at 11:32 am



    Two Thousand Years
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    February 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    "On the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words GOTT MIT UNS which means "God with Us.""

    Yes and on American money it says "In God we Trust". Christian slogans on both Nazi and American money therefore America is ACTUALLY a Nazi Republic.

    That is pretty much the same level of argument you just made.
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    @whodat6484, good song.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    It takes religion to make a good man do evil things. Very simple.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    HAHA! Flame bait poo post is garbage. At least it will piss off a few christian dickheads.
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    February 16, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    markust123 I think I remember starting a sentence with "and" is acceptable as long as it makes sense or something like that. And when it comes down to it, yes there are proper rules but it is just etiquette not the bible.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    @NNoamfer - They`re probably one of the best hardcore/metal bands to come out of the Hudson Valley in NY where I`m originally from. I`ve known them for many years since I got involved in the scene when I moved back to NY.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    The wackier occult stuff was more Himmler than Hitler. Hitler appreciated the aesthetic symbolism of a lot of it because he realized the power it held, but he found Himmler`s obsession with the occult a bit wacky and only tolerated it to a certain degree. Himmler was the one who would consult astrologers regularly and send explorers on wacky expeditions looking for the mystical roots of aryanism.

    Hitler considered himself more of a Christian, but so did Torquemada (and so does Fred Phelps).
  112. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    markust: From your own source, "The historical record clearly shows that Hitler, in both word and deed, repudiated the faith of his baptism, so Hitler`s `Catholicism` is a non-issue."

    A few quotes:
    "Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

    "So it`s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

    Hitler did not want to be confirmed, but his mother (who was devout) forced him. According to Catholic law one must come willing be confirmed, not forced. Thus his supposed `confirmation` in 1904 at age 15 was not valid.

    Perhaps if you had done some further research, maybe even talked to a few theologians about it, you would`ve realized that he was never really `confirmed` and didn`t attend mass but few times.

    That does not make him a Catholic, let alone a Christian.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 16, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    As for the Norse mythology, Thor`s hammer (Mjolnir) in flight is the swastika symbol. The Thurmuth Sword as well as iron age German artifacts have swastikas on them.

    Hitler knew this symbolism and used it.

    It`s still being used by aryan supremacist groups in that regard.
  114. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm
    Hitler`s religious beliefs are pretty complicated. He made a lot of contradictory statements about Christianity. Wikipedia has a decent summary.

    Really, his views on Christianity just sum up the overall contradictory nature of Hitler.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    Okay people belief in God is NECESSARY to be Christian but it isn`t SUFFICIENT. Hitler DID believe in God, even while thoroughly demonstrating his hate for Christianity throughout his reign. He was Christian nor Atheist.
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    February 17, 2013 at 1:06 am
    @Kilgore89: No silly. My saying that Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles with the slogan `God with Us` and your pointing out that the U.S. Dollar displays the words `In God We Trust` says that both profess faith in God. Did you even read the sentences you wrote?

    The use of Christian slogans on money leads to Nazism is "pretty much the same level of argument you just made."
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    SheaSF Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2013 at 1:24 am
    FoolsPrussia, you are absolutely right. Hitler was privately critical of the church, but that doesn`t changed the facts. His antisemitism was taught from the pulpit of the Catholic Church every Easter that the Jews demanded the blood of Jesus be upon their heads (Matthew 27:25). A practice that had been going on for nearly 2000 years; a practice the church has repeated apologized for since the Holocaust. Whether Hitler practiced his faith, or not, it was his inspiration.
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2013 at 2:17 am
    Hitler actually took the swastika from jainism...
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2013 at 5:32 am
    SheaSF: Hitler did NOT get his anti-antisemitism from the Catholic church. He got it from eugenics pamphlets that were being circulated in Germany at the time. Unfortunately the seeds of eugenics started in America which spread internationally to a man named Ernst Rudin whom spread the doctrine of `racial cleansing` in Germany after WWI.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2013 at 8:55 am
    funny enough, both symbols can mean something positive and something negative..

    dont you just love how people give meaning to things based on their personal standing.
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    February 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    Given the millions dying every year from avoidable malaria, almost all Africans and so identifiable as a genetically distinct racial group (learn what genocide actually means, you idiot), environmentalism is the greatest genocide in history. With the myth of man-made global warming affecting development in Africa this is only getting worse.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    CrakrJak

    Don`t forget that eugenics was specifically developed by American "progressives", whose ideological descendants now run the increasingly lunatic left-wing Democrat Party.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    randomxnp: It`s true, eugenicists never went away, they just changed the names of their organizations.
  124. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 3:24 am

    Crackr, "A few quotes:
    "Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

    "So it`s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941."


    Here`s a few for you


    "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."


    what part of that do you think shows he wasn`t a christian and wasn`t motivated by a twisted view of the bible? It may be a twisted view, but he was a christian.... like fred phelps...he may be a nutter and a lot of other christians disagree with him, but they wouldn`t call him an atheist because of it, nor deny he believed in a christian god.



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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 3:24 am
    Here`s another

    ""My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God`s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."


    Again... what part of that Hitler quote is it that makes you think he didn`t believe in the Christian god?
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    kvetcher Male 50-59
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    February 18, 2013 at 5:05 am
    @ Markust
    A very old joke from my schooldays. We used to have double English - Language first, then Literature, same teacher. So one day he`s on about never starting a sentence with and, total fail in any exam...etc. Bell rings. "Now, boys, one of the greatest poems in the English language - "Jerusalem" by William Blake. (Recites) "And did those feet...."
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    kvetcher Male 50-59
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    February 18, 2013 at 5:24 am
    Seriously, though, a lot of these Hitler quotes seem a bit apocryphal (Greek for made-up). The Nazis` relation to Christianity was complex. I think the Pope was probably a good judge of who was a Catholic, and the 1937 encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (with burning sorrow - in German, not the usual Latin) condemned the Nazis as Neo-pagans. The Nazis` reaction was over the top - Wiki it.
    (2) No-one`s yet mentioned the origin of the Nazi salute - right arm straight up in the air. When the Germanic tribes converted en masse to Christianity, they were baptised in a river. The bishop blessed the river and everyone totally submerged themselves - except the warriors who kept their sword-arms straight up out of the water.
    (3)This is Alan Bullock, in his great biography of Hitler: "In Hitler`s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves.. Its teaching was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle.. the systematic cultivation of human failure.&
  128. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 7:02 am
    Listypoos: You should already know that what a politician says in public is not always what is in his heart.

    Some of the first Jews Hitler sent to the camps were Catholic converts. Racial cleansing wasn`t about religion to him, it was about eugenics.

    If he could use some people`s religious prejudice to further his goals, then he would cater to that. Similarly he used other people`s prejudices against immigrants, the rich, monarchs, communists, etc... He knew how to manipulate a crowd and was very persuasive.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 9:49 am
    Seriously, you post this and then intimate that I should wonder who are the haters now? If this is what you think the Catholic church is now then you have made a gross miscalculation. The church is not the poor actions of some of it`s priests and leaders. Long ago the institutions of hate and force have been purged. We do not tolerate those evil actions from people claiming to be of Christ. It`s the never ending search to go from wherever we are one step closer to God. That means charity, generosity, caring, sharing, living a life in service to others among other good works. I spent 5 hours yesterday volunteering at a Catholic group sponsored sports and academic contest for children. I didn`t spend 5 hours planning the latest attack on innocent civilians. While I find the unstated but clearly intended slant on my faith in this graphic highly offensive, it gives me a grand opportunity to practice one of the highest forms of Christianity; forgiveness.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
    I definitely read these threads for the lulz. Any conversation about religion that has nazism introduced into it automatically devolves into questions concerning Hitler`s religious views with no end in sight. I think I should make that a law, Patch`s Law.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    @papajon0s1 -- well said!

    I`m not Catholic (protestant). It is refreshing to meet people who can do such selfless acts of kindness though. God Bless.
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    February 18, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    Crakrjak, "From your own source, "The historical record clearly shows that Hitler, in both word and deed, repudiated the faith of his baptism, so Hitler`s `Catholicism` is a non-issue."

    I guess that was the answer to my question, "Is this going to be the day that you finally admit that you are wrong about something?"

    Here is what you said, "Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church." I proved you completely wrong using two sources, one being a Catholic source. You can`t ever admit you are wrong even when the proof is right in front of you. You just spin spin your way out of everything. This is why you drive people so crazy but then again you know that because you do it on purpose to get a rise out of people. I really have never had less respect for a person.
  133. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    markust: I knew about Hitler`s supposed `confirmation` at age 15. I`ve also watched a bit of EWTN (Catholic TV), over the years, and a Msgr. theologian explained exactly why his `confirmation` was never valid, thus why he was not excommunicated.

    So, I trust their reasoning that he wasn`t validly confirmed or a member of the Catholic church.

    It takes more than going through the motions and rituals to be a Christian, it takes a willing leap of faith. Both Hitler`s words and deeds contradicted Christian teaching and faith.

    Also, as usual I caught you trying to post links to prove your point only to find contrary information within, that you either didn`t read or hoped wouldn`t be noticed.

    In short, you are driving yourself crazy. Sometimes through lackadaisical research, sometimes through willful omission and other times just because you refuse to understand (stubbornness).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm
    Sorry, but I`m not stupid. I`ve researched subjects like this at length and still do.

    Now why don`t you go on now and tell me how Stalin was Greek Orthodox, even though he was expelled from the seminary in Tbilisi and became atheist.
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    Gee you`re right though guys look at all those Christians blowing themselves up for jesus snackbar.....
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    February 19, 2013 at 8:16 am
    "You just spin spin your way out of everything. This is why you drive people so crazy but then again you know that because you do it on purpose to get a rise out of people. I really have never had less respect for a person."

    Couldn`t agree more Markust... it`s like trying to reason with a rather thick, right-wing chimp.


    Crackr, it doesn`t matter one drating bit whether you think he was a Christian to your standards or not... by his own admission he believed he was one and is quoted as saying it was part of his motivation for some of the things he did.

    Which part of that is it that you`re having a hard time understanding?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 19, 2013 at 10:01 am
    Listypoos: Saying you are part of a group doesn`t make it true. I could say that I was a Mason, but since I`ve never joined them or attended a single meeting it`d be a lie.

    Hitler motivated millions of Germans with lies, saying he was Catholic/Christian was just one of many. Saying that it motivated his hatred of Jews was an even bigger lie.
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    February 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    Troll picture is a troll...

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