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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 22, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    Link: Stoning In Iran - Stoning is still used as a punishment for adultery...really? Adultery?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    February 22, 2013 at 3:52 pm
    Religion of Peace!

    Waiting for the usual "Christians Are Worse" crowd to start crowing.
    500 or 1000 years ago? Yeah various "Christian Churches" did bad things.
    THIS is happening TODAY! Get it?

    Remember: In Islam: The Chuch IS THE State, they are not "seperate" at all.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Ya know, I`m starting to thing the liberals are right. Maybe we should respect all cultures, including this one. Maybe we should embrace their view. We should accept the beauty of the diversity of cultures as we incorporate it into the tapestry of America.

    Now, everyone who is an adulterer, that is anyone who`s had sex outside of religious-lawful wedlock, please volunteer for your stoning.

    I don`t see a lot of people lining up and I`m sure there must be some.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 22, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Man, that would suck.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    February 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    No one is to throw anything until I blow this whistle.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    Fecking Life of Brian for real
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    i tend to see all religions involving higher powers as ass-backwards scapegoats to call upon when people commit some form of criminal act or atrocity. not saying everyone does, but that`s unfortunately what the majority uses them as by now.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    Moral Relativism and Liberalism are not tied together in any way.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    February 22, 2013 at 4:11 pm
    "Remember: In Islam: The Chuch IS THE State, they are not "seperate" at all."

    Remember! When you cry about this being a Christian nation this is what you are asking for.
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    aroc91 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    "Remember! When you cry about this being a Christian nation this is what you are asking for."

    False dichotomy? Islam isn`t the only alternative to Christianity. I want a secular nation.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    Sadly...this is proof that public executions/death penalty doesn`t work. What is even worse is that some of these "adulterers" may not be guilty at all.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    unmercyfuldu

    "Remember! When you cry about this being a Christian nation this is what you are asking for."

    That is painfully stupid.

    So if we want to get rid of a collection of stone age fairy tales with a brutal history that has no place in rational adult society we would then have to replace it with a different collection of stone age fairy tales with a brutal history that has no place in rational adult society?

    How about everyone agrees to just keep their imaginary friends at home?
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    February 22, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    F ucking animals. F uck allah with a pig C ock.
    drat mohammed up the arse!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    The Chuch IS THE State, they are not "seperate" at all.

    Except in Kosovo, Turkey, UAE, and Azerbaijan.
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    BadBadMorty Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    MacGuffin

    "I wonder what would happen if all the reasonable people in the world decided they weren`t going to tolerate jerks any more?"

    Well, you wouldn`t last too long, would you?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    How did anyone NOT know they still do sh*t like that over there? I`m sure this subject has been discussed here at least once. I guess no one wanted to take someone`s word for it and needed an infographic to realize this is common practice. I may be mistaken, but along with Iran it`s still a legitimate method of execution for adulterers in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    February 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    @Cajun:
    Kosovo: Invaded by Albania, which is Communist (sort of).
    Turkey: Walking the "fine line" between Islam and secularism since Ataturk.
    UAE: Lolz! Only while the money flows. Once that stops they`ll go "full Islam" for sure.
    Azurbiajan: I have no idea, actually.

    @BadBoyMorty: LOLZ! Welcome to IAB!
    I was going to say:
    "...if all the reasonable people in the world decided they weren`t going to tolerate jerks any more?"
    All of Scotland would be de-populated...
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    If you are in favor of the death penalty, does it even matter? We hung and then electrocuted people for years. Our methods are probably barbaric to future generations.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm
    paperduck

    "If you are in favor of the death penalty, does it even matter?"

    1. We execute for MURDER. This is for ADULTERY.

    2. There is a huge difference, at least to me, between killing someone as quickly and painlessly as possible and brutally torturing them to death.

    So, ya, to me it matters.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    paperduck Were any of them guilty of adultery? Death for adultery seems a tad harsh in this day and time.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    I see your guys point, there are multiple arguments here. Adultery doesn`t warrant death by any (even a painless) method or no crime whatsoever warrants stoning, or I suppose both together is double offensive.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 6:52 pm
    And `adultery` in many cases can be translated to `victims of rape`, these people are disgusting cowards. and, @Gerry1of1, be sensible... liberals do NOT condone this type of bullpoo, no-one does. I`m sure you`ll find more `pinko liberal` types in that anti-stoning organization than you would conservatives. The whole point of trying to tolerate and understand the positive aspects of another culture is to try to prevent violence.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:01 pm
    Oh drat...I feel ill.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
    2095 posts
    February 22, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    "Everybody must get stoned"
    -Dylan
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:38 pm
    Adultery also includes fornication. If allegations of rape are unproved (proof requires three corroborating witnesses) then an allegation of rape is sufficient to convict for fornication. Isn`t religion wonderful?
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    Islam is some drated up poo.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Revolting.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    February 22, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    Sucks to be them.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    @whodat6484


    Denial is the answer.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    Not a whole lot different than burning women at the stake for being "witches."
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    DisownedRose Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    I am open to all religions and beliefs, but stuff like this is beyond reason. It is like the Australian woman named Alicia Gali who worked in a 5- star resort in the UAE and was drugged, gang raped then sentenced to prison for adultery. She ended up serving eight months before being released.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    They`re also executing bankers, something we need to do over here. Link
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    @paperduck - I`m all for bankers being executed, I`m pretty sure everyone else is too!
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    @SarahofBorg
    Actually it`s a LOT different than burning someone alive. The fire is said to burn your nerve endings fairly quickly, so if you`ve even stayed conscience for more than 10 seconds from the pain, you likely won`t feel too much as you quickly burn to death. I`ll take one minute of fire over two hours of bludgeoning.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    February 22, 2013 at 9:03 pm
    I wondered why women would be buried deeper until illustration 7 sorted that out.
    These people are lower than what pond scum scrapes off it`s shoe.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm
    @HolyGod and aroc91

    I don`t know how the two of you build up this idea that I was arguing for a dichotomy of either christinity or islam... I am agree with both of you... drat religion in government.

    My post was to point out that those that critique stoning as a death penalty based on religious origins and ALSO argue that the US is a christian nation and we should acknowledge and grant some sort of christian privilege to christinas in this country is BS.

    I wasnt asking to replace one with another. Just pointing out that a christian nation would be just as drated up as a islamic nation and those that argue otherwise are quite far up their own sanctimonious asses.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 22, 2013 at 9:57 pm
    Muslims are either insane violent barbarians or they are craven sniveling cowards who lack the courage to stand up to the insane violent barbarians.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    "I wonder what would happen if all the reasonable people in the world decided they weren`t going to tolerate jerks any more?"
    Ask George W. Bush what happened to him.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm
    unmercyfuldu

    Gotcha.

    When you said:

    Remember! When you cry about this being a Christian nation this is what you are asking for.

    I took that as you talking to atheists saying this is a christian nation and if it stops we would get this in place.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    Also, drat you if your penal code uses the word "wriggle" or any translation thereof.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 22, 2013 at 10:41 pm
    unmercyfuldu: No political leader, from the outset of this country, has advocated for Stoning as capital punishment. We even rejected the idea of the guillotine.

    So go take your anti-Christian rhetoric and shove it.

    That goes for you too HG.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 1:26 am
    5Cat`s "Waiting for the usual "Christians Are Worse" crowd to start crowing.
    500 or 1000 years ago? Yeah various "Christian Churches" did bad things.
    THIS is happening TODAY! Get it? "
    SarahofBorg "Not a whole lot different than burning women at the stake for being "witches.""


    He Called it!
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 1:27 am
    Read Escape from Camp 14 and see where the most horrific actions are happening today... World is run on self interest, helping people suffering is not a self interest
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
    857 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 1:40 am
    You can ask for a drink?
    A bottle of absinthe please, well what are they going to do, stone me?
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:45 am
    Islam.
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    Rodin Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:39 am
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/27/anatomy-of-a-stoning-graphic-garners-international-attention/

    infographics aren`t facts nor are crappy newspaper editorials
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:11 am
    Isnt stoning a man made punishment and nothing to do with the Quran?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:32 am
    crakrjak

    "No political leader, from the outset of this country, has advocated for Stoning as capital punishment. We even rejected the idea of the guillotine.

    So go take your anti-Christian rhetoric and shove it."

    Christians have led brutal holy wars, tortured people, burned witches at the stake, and a whole list of atrocities. Because they aren`t happening now doesn`t clean the slate.

    Is the Muslim religion worse? YES! Absolutely, I give you that one. However that doesn`t make Christianity`s history any better.

    Is Hitler worse than Stalin? Yes. Does that make Stalin good? No. There are degrees.

    If you would like CURRENT christian atrocities how about telling people in aids-ravaged Africa it is a sin to use condoms or molesting little kids?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:18 am
    He Called it!
    @bakcagain21: Thanks for noticing! :-)
    It was inevitable though.

    it is a sin to use condoms
    @HolyGod: Plz to edumicate yourself: Islam forbids contraceptives too. You know how DUMB you look when you spout something like this? Very dumb. No abortions either.
    Muslims abuse little kids too, it`s a WORLD-WIDE problem, not "just the Christians" OK?
    However: Islam is A-OK with rape of heathen women, and THAT TOO is happening today, all across Europe.

    Facts > Fiction
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    WhoSaidWhat Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:18 am
    Men? Men aren`t stoned for adultery. Unless things have changed, according to the Muslim faith, a man cannot commit adultery. All the blame falls on the woman. She "seduced and corrupted" him, no matter what the circumstances. Again, this is how it used to be; it may have changed.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:26 am
    5Cats

    "@HolyGod: Plz to edumicate yourself"

    I am not comparing christianity unfavorably to islam. What the furry f.uck are you talking about? I am comparing christianity unfavorably to not believing in stone age fairy tales.

    You always do this. I don`t like christianity, what is stands for, what it teaches, and what it has done. That DOES NOT mean I like islam.

    Let me say loudly for the record that I prefer christianity over islam. I prefer judaism over christianiy. I prefer budhism over judaism. However, I prefer being a rational, educated, intelligent adult over any of them.

    You know how DUMB you look on a nearly constant basis? Very dumb.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:36 am
    However that doesn`t make Christianity`s history any better.
    @HolyGod: THIS post is about Islam`s Laws allowing death by stoning, which is carried out RIGHT NOW.
    #1: Where does talking about "how bad Christians are" enter the picture?
    #2: Where does what Christianity did 600 years ago enter the picture?

    This is something Islam does and no other religion does. They do it NOW - I cannot repeat that often enough! Apparently.

    I predicted, correctly, that IAB relig-o-phobes would come out of the woodwork and slam Christianity. The article is 100% about a different religion, but Christians will get blamed for "being the same". Why? Because that`s what they do! However they`re much slower to slam Islam, it`s a fact, and make all sorts of "allowances" to squeeze Islam into their "liberal, multi-cultural world view".
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:38 am
    5Cats

    I just re-read my comment. I f.ucking said:

    "Is the Muslim religion worse? YES! Absolutely, I give you that one. However that doesn`t make Christianity`s history any better."

    Right in there. Then you come back and tell me I`m dumb because islam is also bad? In response to a post where I say islam is worse? How retarded are you? Like, on a scale of 1 to 10. Just so I know.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:43 am
    So you point out how "...Christedom has harmed African peoples"...
    But Islam believes EXACTLY the same thing! If not more so!
    And there`s plenty of Muslims in Africa, both North and South of the Sahara, agreed?

    So WHY do you (in a conversation about Islamic Laws) single out Christendom for condemnation and IGNORE ISLAM DOING THE SAME THING?

    The answer is obvious to me, but if you have a rational reply I`d like to hear it.

    How retarded are you?
    Nice to see you haven`t changed a bit. Oh wait, it`s NOT nice actually...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:44 am
    5Cats

    "#1: Where does talking about "how bad Christians are" enter the picture?"

    Well let`s see, who was the first person to bring christianity into the discussion... oh look. You did. First comment.

    The ONLY reason I brought up christianity is because I erroneously thought unmercyfuldu was saying we should have a christian nation because of how bad islam is.

    I COMPLETELY agree with you that this is a post on islam and has NOTHING to do with christianity. I was responding to someone else bringing christianity up and then again in response to Crakr defending christianity.

    "make all sorts of "allowances" to squeeze Islam into their "liberal, multi-cultural world view"

    I make no allowances for islam. It is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than christianity currently. However that doesn`t mean christianity is good.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:49 am
    5Cats

    "So WHY do you (in a conversation about Islamic Laws) single out Christendom for condemnation and IGNORE ISLAM DOING THE SAME THING?

    The answer is obvious to me, but if you have a rational reply I`d like to hear it."

    Then read below. I was simply responding to comments by other people bringing christianity into the debate.

    "Nice to see you haven`t changed a bit."

    Do you blame me? Do you really not get how retarded it is to respond to someone`s comment that clearly states they think islam is worse than christianity by calling them dumb and then saying islam is worse than christianity?

    I also find it adorable that you think me calling you retarded in response to a post where you call me dumb is so intolerant.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:54 am
    ...and I began by saying "500 or 1000 years ago? Yeah various "Christian Churches" did bad things."

    But MY POINT is: "THIS is happening TODAY! Get it?"

    What part of this do you not understand?

    How does your Christian-bashing get "explained away" under the blanket statement of "Oh I hate all stone-age fairy tales"?

    Do you blame me?
    Yes, actually, I do! For a guy who "claims the moral high grounds" you escalate the level of insults rapidly! On those rare occasions when you don`t start off with them.

    You said: "Christians are bad..." for something that Muslims do JUST AS MUCH. But no mention of Muslims doing it. THAT is fair and equal treatment in your books?

    Again: considering this is a posting about what Islam does TODAY, NOT about what Christianity did 600 years ago... OR what they both do equally badly!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:55 am

    ~leans out of tree and throws bucket of cold water on HolyGod and 5Cats~
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:57 am
    The ONLY reason I brought up christianity is because I erroneously thought unmercyfuldu was saying we should have a christian nation because of how bad islam is.
    Really? Seems obvious to me he was Christian-Bashing.

    However that doesn`t mean christianity is good.

    So essentially you got dragged off-topic by the other Christian bashers? And distracted when Christians (and me) pointed it out?

    See, that`s a "reasonable explaination"! I`m satisfied with that!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:59 am
    ~throws snowballs at tree~
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:07 am
    HG: "..Christianity`s history any better."

    Atheist history is much much worse and much more recent. So once again I say, "Take your anti-Christian rhetoric and shove it."
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:09 am
    5Cats

    "Really? Seems obvious to me he was Christian-Bashing."

    aroc91 also read it wrong. I read it as him talking to atheists saying this is a christian nation and if it stops we would get this in place.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:11 am
    HG: Unless you are willing to defend these tyrants atheist records..
    ..you should probably keep your mouth shut.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:13 am
    CrakrJak

    "Atheist history is much much worse and much more recent. So once again I say, "Take your anti-Christian rhetoric and shove it."

    Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ. NO ATTROCITY that I know of has been done in the name of atheism. NOT ONE.

    Let me say this before you do: Stalin was an atrheist. YES. But he didn`t do things BECAUSE of atheism any more than he did it because he had a mustache. Much in the same way McVeigh was christian but he did not bomb OKC in the name of christianity. Get it?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:15 am
    Crakr

    Well, I guess you were too fast, but JUST as predictable. AGAIN, those peopel didn`t do bad things BECAUSE of atheism. They did bad things and happened to be atheists.

    Priests do not rape little boys BECAUSE of christianity. But the inqusition happened BECAUSE of christianity. Understand the difference?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:16 am
    HG: "NO ATTROCITY that I know of has been done in the name of atheism. NOT ONE."

    BULLSH|T GALORE!

    What those three tyrants did was directly tied to their atheism. You`re in total denial if you think otherwise.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:18 am
    HG: "Priests do not rape little boys BECAUSE of christianity."

    You`ve sang a different tune on that topic before here on IAB and even said that the Catholic church was evil because of it.

    Trying to worm your way out of one argument you`ve contradicted yourself in another.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Crakr

    "What those three tyrants did was directly tied to their atheism. You`re in total denial if you think otherwise."

    You show me one thing that points to the fact that what they did was tied to their atheism any more than what timothy mcveigh did was tied to his christianity.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Crakr

    "You`ve sang a different tune on that topic before here on IAB and even said that the Catholic church was evil because of it.

    Trying to worm your way out of one argument you`ve contradicted yourself in another."

    I have never said they rape little boys because of christianity. Not once. I have said that the church allows them to. If it wasn`t for the catholic church existing those situations and opportunities wouldn`t exist. The cover up by the church is my biggest problem and what I find "evil".

    But that is the catholic church not christianity. They are not the same thing. They took christianity and added all their own bulls.hit. It isn`t as if the bible mentions funny hats.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:39 am
    @HolyGod: The "official religion" of Communism is, indeed, atheism. So Stalin and Mao were indeed doing it in the name of... indirectly.

    That`s Pol Pot in pic #3, right @CrakrJak? He`s a bad one! Worst of the bunch, possibly. And the most recent too.

    But that is the catholic church not christianity.
    @HolyGod: I agree with you here. 800 years ago the Catholics WERE "Cristianity" essentially, but that`s no longer the case, it`s true.

    And what the "Mother Church" did was to cover-up and protect child molesters rather than punish them, for decades, and that`s not a "Christian" thing to do at all.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:42 am
    Hummm.
    I mean it WAS "Roman Catholic Christians" DOING it! But it`s not what a "proper Christian" should have done. If they followed their own beliefs.

    Jesus would NOT tolerate pedophiles, I would think... never mind "cover up" for them!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:45 am
    5Cats

    "The "official religion" of Communism is, indeed, atheism. So Stalin and Mao were indeed doing it in the name of... indirectly."

    You do get my point though right?

    9/11 happened in the name of God. The crusades happened in the name of God. Stoning adulterers happens in the name of God. Aids is being helped along in africa in the name of God.

    Priests don`t rape little boys in the name of God. Those three people didn`t commit atrocities in the name of not God.

    If I bombed a church because I thought religion should not exist that would be an act in the name of atheism. If I go on a shooting spree because I got fired my atheism did not motivate the act.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:01 am
    You do get my point though right?
    @HolyGod: I do understand that they didn`t do it DIRECTLY "in the name of atheism" like the Jihads and Crusades are -directly- in the name of Allah and God. I get that!

    That good enough for you?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:40 am
    Not gonna get into the argument, just got a question.

    It`s being argued that things have or not been done in the name of atheism but wouldn`t the fact that churches and religions were banned under communist rule mean that these idiotic dictators at least did some things in the name of it?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:48 am
    djwadja

    "but wouldn`t the fact that churches and religions were banned under communist rule mean that these idiotic dictators at least did some things in the name of it?"

    Absolutely. I`m not saying things weren`t done in the name of atheism. That would certainly qualify. I`m saying "NO ATROCITY" was.

    Saying Stalin killed people because he was atheist is like saying hitler killed people because he was a brunette.

    Banning church and religion would be awesome. ;)
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Well, I suppose it`s possible they may or may not have actually killed for it but if they did i would probably say it was something in their own mind. Not something they outright said.

    Either way I`m on the fence with religion as a whole to begin with. I`ve got my own reasons and let`s just say it`s an `angry at god` issue and leave it at that. Each religion has it`s good and bad in my view and I tend not to even attempt to argue about it with anyone.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:57 am
    Speaking as an atheist, and I would consider myself on the strident side, the fact is that atheists have committed atrocities in name of atheism. In Mexico, in Russia, in Cambodia. You don`t have to look far.

    Atheist are not morally better than other people, they`re just right about one point. Most of us are still non-nice individuals.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:57 am
    djwajda

    "Each religion has it`s good and bad in my view and I tend not to even attempt to argue about it with anyone."

    I would argue no religion has any good, unless you say that the belief in things that don`t exist makes people feel better in a "ignorance is bliss" kind of way. However, I don`t think ignorance is ever the best choice no matter how dark the truth may seem, except maybe with a child.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:02 am
    LordJim

    "atheists have committed atrocities in name of atheism"

    What? I`m not saying it isn`t the case, but I`ve never heard of anything being done openly in the name of atheism the way it is in the name of religion.

    "Atheist are not morally better than other people"

    Absolutely not. I have never said that. Being an atheist does NOT make you morally superior, except that when you do good it is because YOU want to do good, not because you are trying to get a reward (heaven) or avoid punishment (hell). Being an atheist simply makes you intellectually superior, at least in one regard.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:06 am
    Well, I`ve seen enough of both good and bad in religion to say that I respectfully disagree. It`s definitely not something for everyone to be sure and is most often times taken to the extreme but I think everyone is entitled to whatever it may be they believe in. However the one place I would agree with you 100% @HG is that it should not be imposed on anyone.
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    SavageNation Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:06 am
    Islam the religion of peace ..... and they`ll bury you up to your neck and stone you to death to prove it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:08 am
    djwadja

    "Well, I`ve seen enough of both good and bad in religion"

    What good have you seen, just out of curiosity?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:11 am
    When it saved my brother`s life I`d say that`s a good thing. I won`t say I like the religion he jumped into at the time but when you`re 7 yrs old and you see the change in the person go from a really bad extreme to being happy it tends to give you a good feeling.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:19 am
    djwajda

    Ya. No doubt. Or a person on their death bed who is ok with dying because they think they are going to heaven. Those fall into the "ignorance is bliss" category as far as I`m concerned. So I don`t PERSONALLY think it is a good thing. However, I get where you are coming from.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:30 am
    Like I say I consider myself on "the fence".

    I`d like to believe there`s something out there but at the same time I have very valid personal reasons to doubt there is.

    For these reasons I tend to steer clear of religious debates.
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    February 23, 2013 at 11:28 am

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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    @HolyGod- a lot of people, whether they are religious or not, are OK with dying because they have visions that help them come to peace with dying. I am a nurse who has worked for years with the elderly, and have spent time with those who are dying. I have worked directly with people who have had visions of dead loved ones in the room with them, or visions of religious figures or angels. In other cases, people feel an indescribable calming and loving presence. This phenomenon is well documented. Now, I`m not saying that this has led me to believe in an afterlife- it has not. Death will remain a mystery to me until the day I die. But beliefs about the afterlife and about God and spirituality are not rooted in mythology alone- the foundation of all religions is ultimately the direct experience of others, be it those who are dying, or those whose visions are induced by entheogenic plants and fungi, fasting, or other altered mental states.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    @whodat: The blank spot on the bullet is for the atheists, right? ;-) Gotta include them too, or they get all pissy!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    HG: "Banning church and religion would be awesome. ;)"

    No it would not. But you go ahead and keep believing in that commie atheist utopia BS, it`s only killed tens of millions of people so far.
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    SunThunder Male 18-29
    97 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    They used to do Stonings in Saudi, but not sure if they still do. They did the whole; hand cut off thing too. For my opinion I would say either hangings, or those nitrous oxide executions they are planning. Thats if I had to pick one for myself. As for a death penalty, not sure.
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    Badenov Male 70 & Over
    237 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    "Stonings can reportedly take between 20 minutes and two hours"...

    And fter that they have to go into Sudden Death Overtime!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    Crakr

    "No it would not. But you go ahead and keep believing in that commie atheist utopia BS, it`s only killed tens of millions of people so far."

    First, I`m not in any way commie except when it comes to wanting universal healthcare and a livable wage. I work my ass off, make good money, and have nice things. I have no interest in throwing into a communal pot.

    Second of all, people who have been atheists have done horrible things, but they don`t do them IN THE NAME of atheism. However there have been tons of people who have done horrible things IN THE NAME of religion. They do it to this very day.

    Until you give me ONE example of an atrocity done because someone was an atheist, stop making the argument because it is absolute bulls.hit.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm
    Here Crakr:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/atheism
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    liabach Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    i think what troubles me the most is that its the same illustrator and graphic designer that creates the emergency pamphlets for the airlines
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 11:43 pm
    HG: You`ve already blinded yourself from the truth. Stalin destroyed churches, arrested priests, sent Jews to the gulags. You`re attributing this to his communism, but when Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion.

    "A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way" - Vladamir Lenin

    But that`s all `circumstantial` in your eyes, otherwise you`d have to mentally confront your own intolerance and bigotry.
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    Saunder Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:04 am
    Pretty much the same as a gun manual right? :)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:59 am
    CrakrJak

    You are missing the point entirely. Atheism is NOT a belief system. It is the lack of one. Not having a belief system can not influence your actions the way a belief system does.

    Atheism doesn`t teach anything. It doesn`t preach anything. It doesn`t promote anything. It doesn`t have leaders or instructors. Atheism is nothingness. Nothingness can not cause anything.

    Think of it this way, if you are a smoker you might directly get cancer from being a smoker. If You are a non-smoker you may get cancer but it will not be from being a non-smoker.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:52 am
    Crakr, you are so far off the mark here it`s really quite sad. Organized religion, based on myth and legend, has no place in the modern world. That`s not to say there isn`t a god like force out there and to discus such things as part of a philosophical look at the wider universe and it`s origins is fine. To believe in such a thing as an indisputable fact however borders on insanity.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 9:54 am
    And another thing crakr, religion has also caused the suffering and death of millions throughout history. I`m surprised that you would present such a flimsy argument.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31761 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 11:30 am
    @spannerbulb & @HolyGod: I think both you guys have utterly failed to disrove one word of @CrakrJak`s position.

    Communism`s OFFICIAL "religion" is Atheism! It`s a fact.
    Religion means "philosophical belief" too, eh? Believing there is no God is, in fact, a FORM of belief in God.

    Persecution in the name of Communism is de facto the same as doing it "in the name of Atheism". You`re really splitting some fine hairs to pretend they`re NOT CONNECTED. Eh?
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    DJL Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    See this before. Got a source?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    5Cats

    "Believing there is no God is, in fact, a FORM of belief in God."

    Do you believe in Santa? Do you believe in leprechauns? Do you believe in unicorns?

    Do you believe that those non-beliefs require their own term? Do you believe your not believing in unicorns is, in fact, a FORM of belief in unicorns?

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