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  1. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:02 pm
    Link: So, God Made A Liberal... - The real mystery, though, is why?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    OMG

    This is so f.ucking repugnant. I got straight As in school, turned down an ivy league acceptance, put myself through college, started my own business, work 70+ weeks, and employ people. I`m a liberal.

    Showing these people as examples of liberals is no different than showing showing neo-nazis and kkk members as examples of conservatives.

    Obviously more than half the country views themselves more as liberals than conservatives. Divisiveness is pointless.

    Plus the insinuation that the economy crumbled because of Obama could only be believed by someone with alzheimers.
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:28 pm
    one of the stupidest, intellectually anemic things I`ve seen posted here. `dumb enough to believe in global warming`? it would be laughable if it weren`t for your stockpile of nukes.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    Showing these people as examples of liberals is no different than showing showing neo-nazis and kkk members as examples of conservatives.

    Yet it happens all the time.

    Divisiveness is pointless.

    It works for the current administration.

    I do think this video is pretty stupid, but it is definitely a page from the liberal playbook.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    I want people who would rather spend their money on themselves then on helping those less fortunate. I want people on medicare who are dumb enough to complain about having government healthcare. I want people living off of social security and disability and ignorant enough to bitch about Romney`s "takers". I want "christians" who live a life completely contrary to Jesus`s teachings. I want someone who screams about the Bill of Rights, but don`t know what the amendments actually are. Someone who believes in the bible but has never read it. I want someone that thinks gun laws won`t fix anything despite the dozens of examples of them working wonderfully in other countries. I want conservatives. Because each day they remind me how to be a good person, a good citizen, and a good father by setting the example of what the exact opposite looks like.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    I want people who are old and bitter. People who are conceited,soulless, selfish, and heartless. I want racists and bigots who hate anybody that doesn`t look or act like them. I want rednecks, trailer park trash, hill billies, and cousin f.uckers. I want people that worship invisible sky fairies and don`t have the briefest understanding of even the most basic science. I want uninformed bubble dwellers that regurgitate verbatim the same factless talking points circulated by pundits who make millions off of their listener`s blind gullibility and ineptitude. I want suckers voting to make themselves poorer so billionaires get richer........
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    Aren`t stereotypes and generalizations fun? Nobody can deny that each and every example I gave is a part of the conservative party. But does anybody think they DEFINE the party? Of course not.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    Holygod, save your breath.
    People who belive in this are not really open to reason.

    I take solace in the fact that they are living in their imaginary nightmare. That is punishment enough.

    Do admire your efforts to reach out though
  9. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    Showing these people as examples of liberals is no different than showing showing neo-nazis and kkk members as examples of conservatives.
    Actually, it would be TOTALLY different. The human debris in the vid were UNQUESTIONABLY Obama voters, while the best examples you can cite of "conservatives" are Nazis (National SOCIALISTS) and the KKK (Southern DEMOCRATS).

    HG, there are plenty of ways to insult conservatives without calling them leftists.
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    RytWing Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    I want to make a comment but my name says it all.
  11. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    I want people who would rather spend their money on themselves then on helping those less fortunate.
    Right, HG, liberals are always being generous WITH OTHER PEOPLE`S MONEY! When it comes to their OWN money, though, liberals give a tiny fraction of what conservatives give to charity.

    P.J. O`Rourke said it best: "A liberal is someone who would gladly give you the shirt off of someone else`s back."
  12. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm
    OldOllie

    "Actually, it would be TOTALLY different. The human debris in the vid were UNQUESTIONABLY Obama voters, while the best examples you can cite of "conservatives" are Nazis (National SOCIALISTS) and the KKK (Southern DEMOCRATS). "

    Actually the "human debris" you are speaking of probably didn`t vote at all.

    Are you telling me that nazis and KKK members that voted in the election voted for Obama? You are out of your mind. The KKK hasn`t been democrat since the mid 1900s. It started out mostly democrat because Lincoln was a republican. However it became republican when democrats led the civil rights movement in the 60s. Learn history, not just ancient history. If you REALLY think the average racist or KKK member in America votes democrat more than republican you are flat out beyond help.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    Liberals used to be anything-goes kind of people. Now, if you disagree with them they spread rumors about you, or try to kill your business, or try to destroy you any way they can. They have become intolerant thugs.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:03 pm
    OldOllie

    "Right, HG, liberals are always being generous WITH OTHER PEOPLE`S MONEY!"

    I`m not going to get in a pissing war over this because how would we ever prove it, but I would bet you my house I donated more time and money to charity last year than you did.

    "liberals give a tiny fraction of what conservatives give to charity"

    A tiny fraction is grossly hyperbolic, however they do technically give more. I just don`t happen to count church`s as worthwhile charities just like i don`t count theater and ballet. When it comes to housing the homeless and feeding the hungry and charity like that conservatives DO NOT give more.

    Also, P.J. O`Rourke is hilarious and brilliant.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    "But does anybody think they DEFINE the party? Of course not."

    Really what about this guy?
    Obama: Republicans Want Dirty Air Dirty Water

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    I do think this video is pretty stupid...
    I couldn`t agree more, but the video`s not what`s funny here -- it`s watching the liberals like HG go all ape$#!+ crazy over it. To me, they`re the "parking lot poodles" of the Internet. You know the type. You`re walking through the lot at Wal-Mart, and you hear him: little Pierre, barking and snarling and lunging at the window of his master`s Sedan de Ville. In his tiny little brain he`s fanaticizing about ripping out your throat and dragging your lifeless corpse back to the pack where he can have his way with all the bitches. In reality, though, he knows that if the glass weren`t there, he`d lose control of his sphincters and soil his master`s seats. I know I ought to ignore him, but I just can`t help staring him in the eye just to work him into an even more maniacal frenzy. I`ve even been known to take a slow lap around the car just to watch him slobber up all the windows.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    My goodness, what a load of poo..
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:12 pm
    And OldOllie, you seem to be evil person who enjoys others misfortunes.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    OldOllie

    "watching the liberals like HG go all ape$#!+ crazy over it"

    You think I`m going apes.hit crazy? I just think this is low brow, crass, inflammatory and nearly baseless. I`m kinda surprised you posted it. We don`t agree on much but I don`t expect this kind of drivel from you the way I expect it from Crakr and 5Cats. When you aren`t intentionally being an a.sshole you usually offer the intelligent counter argument.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:15 pm


    This little one`s not worth the effort.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    I just don`t happen to count church`s as worthwhile charities just like i don`t count theater and ballet. When it comes to housing the homeless and feeding the hungry and charity like that conservatives DO NOT give more.

    Christians have feed and housed more needy people than liberals ever will.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:21 pm
    There is nothing better than a good old fashioned drat you.
  23. Profile photo of MrPeabody
    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    I couldn`t agree more, but the video`s not what`s funny here -- it`s watching the liberals like HG go all ape$#!+ crazy over it.

    It is funny when they get a dose of their own medicine.

    (and I know the past tense of feed is fed)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    MrPeabody

    "Christians have feed and housed more needy people than liberals ever will."

    First of all a lot of Christians are liberals, or at least vote democrat.

    Second of all church`s do WONDERFUL things. No doubt about it. However if someone gives $100 to a church after you pay the preacher, and pay the church`s mortgage and overhead, after you buy bibles and crackers and wine, after you pay sundry school teachers and lobbyists and fight gay marriage how much of that hundred dollars actually makes it to charity? $3? $5? That same person could have given the whole $100 directly to charity and bypassed the social club for mutual delusion. Understand what I`m saying?
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    Regardless of whether or not you`re a liberal, conservative, agree with the things this guy stated or disagree with them, why the frak would ANYONE use Paul Harvey`s "So god made a farmer" speech as a platform to attack someone? Nothing in Harvey`s speech made me think about how worthless non-farmer`s are. Nothing made me idolize the entirety of their lives with fanaticism. Rather distasteful imo.

    Furthermore, I mean, if you HONESTLY believe the depictions presented here, you can pretty much come to the conclusion "I like farmer`s because they`re not THIS." What exactly is wrong with simply enjoying the original speech praising others instead of this video vilifying? You could do the same exact video on everything Anderson Cooper hates about conservatives, and you`d still watch the video thinking "I like farmer`s because they`re not THIS."
  26. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    Republicans also like to be generous with other people`s money (see NCLB, and the MediCare donut hole). What`s worse than taking money in order to give to poor people is taking it and using it engage in plunder in other nations. Course since Obama has done so WITHOUT authorization from congress in that regard he`s worse than Bush.

    Truth is though liberals aren`t really liberal, and conservatives aren`t conservative either.

    I want someone that thinks gun laws won`t fix anything despite the dozens of examples of them working wonderfully in other countries.

    I want someone who thinks gun laws will be 100% effective despite dozens of examples of them failing to improve anything in other countries.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:30 pm
    after you pay sundry school teachers and lobbyists and fight gay marriage how much of that hundred dollars actually makes it to charity? $3? $5?

    How about proper accounting BEFORE you start suggesting random numbers.
  28. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:33 pm
    And OldOllie, you seem to be evil person who enjoys others misfortunes.
    Only when they stupidly bring them on themselves. }-)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Cajun247

    While I don`t always agree with you, you always make a worthwhile point. For the most part you are my favorite person to debate with on here because I know the argument will be well thought out and fact based.

    "I want someone who thinks gun laws will be 100% effective despite dozens of examples of them failing to improve anything in other countries."

    I never said "100%" but certainly worth a try, and hell wouldn`t 5% be worth it? You gotta admit what has happened in Austrailia in the past 15 years is astounding. Have you read much about it? If not go look it up. 11 mass shootings in a decade, then sweeping gun legislation, now there hasn`t been a single mass shooting in 15+ years. If not for the gun laws what do you attribute that to?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    Toxicity. Toxicity everywhere. E`ryone needs to chill out.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    Cajun247

    "How about proper accounting BEFORE you start suggesting random numbers."

    SO I can`t make the argument without getting the church`s books? Come on. It is common sense. Romney gave most of his charity to the Mormon church. Look at all the new temples being built. Look at the millions poured into fighting gay marriage. Look at all the money it takes to fly thousands of missionaries all over the world and fund their missions. It is kind of obvious that a lot less of Romney`s money actually went to needy people than could have wouldn`t you agree?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    then sweeping gun legislation, now there hasn`t been a single mass shooting in 15+ years

    Fair enough, but the overall benefits:


    Of course you`re probably referring to legislation passed in 2002. Hopefully you understand WHY I can`t say it`s a net plus.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    A partisan troll video chock full of misinformation, yeah, I`ll pass on the comments.
  34. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    It is common sense.

    According to you. It IS possible that the LDS focuses a lot on Gay Marriage. But even widespread opposition is fading rapidly. I thought you referring to christians in general with that statement. There are pro-gay sects and anti-gay sects. There are even Gay conservatives of all people (see Gerry1of1).
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Cajun247

    "Of course you`re probably referring to legislation passed in 2002. Hopefully you understand WHY I can`t say it`s a net plus."

    What am I missing? What you posted bolsters my claim. I`m referring to the 1996 legislation, however the buy back program took a few years to take effect. Everything has been down since 2002. How do these charts not set the example for gun legislation working?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    Cajun247

    "According to you."

    According to anyone. Every church has overhead. Every dollar that goes to that overhead is a dollar that isn`t going to help the needy.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    Mas murder caused by arson in 2009
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:00 pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s41308.htm

    Hey friends, here are some interesting things about Australia. Now the reason these shootings weren`t worse was basically luck, as the shooters apparently lacked skill, but they still happened.

    But really, the amount of shootings that have occurred since the ban are about what one would expect for a country the size of Australia and at the level of development of Australia. And moreover, their murder rates, much like
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:02 pm
    No thanks!

  40. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:02 pm
    What you posted bolsters my claim

    Even after the spike following 1996 the overall armed robbery rate is NOT lower than it was before the legislation. With all due respect, what the hell are you smoking?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    ....Britain, haven`t not changed much since their respective bans went into effect. They have always had lower murder rates than America. This goes back all the way to the 1800`s when their were basically uniform gun laws everywhere. There are other factors. One dimensional analysis should be be used.
  42. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:05 pm
    Every church has overhead

    For the LDS church how much? Answer the question already.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    Squriz, it`s a dumb video. Don`t let it get to you.


    As for robbery stastitics, this is a cool graph.

    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/cfi/101-120/cfi115.html

    Now, for both American and Australia, there are not any convincing trends. However, something is really up with England and Wales. That is a damning trend that was caused by something significant.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    I`m kinda tired of this whole polarized political idea.
    You have to be either right or left.
    You have to be either conservative or liberal.
    You have to be either torey or labor.
    You have to be either republican or democrat.

    How about I make up my mind based on the facts of each topic, and not on some party ticket that was mailed to me, or what Fox or MSNBC told me to think.

    I like the Republican ideal of a small government that stays out of my life. Unfortunately the current party leaders want a government just small enough to fit in my bedroom telling me what I can and can`t do {or who with}.

    And I agree with the liberals who strive for the Right to Pursue Happiness but for some odd reason think the gov`ment is responsible to put a safety net under you while you pursue it, and has to guarantee you achieve Happiness {as if it`s something the gov`ment could hand out}.

    Extremests, on any side, are idiots.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    I have a major problem with I-A-B posting this video.

    QUESTION TO FANCY: Would I-A-B be willing to accept a similar video titled "And God Made Gay People..." with the description, "The real mystery, though, is why?"

    My guess: Probably not. Such a video would be recognized as toxic hate speech. If it was accepted at all, it would be with a disclaimer in the description. So why does I-A-B seem to view liberals as an acceptable target of this kind of venom?

    I support the right of anyone to make toxic propaganda under the principle of free speech, and I support the right of anyone to view it under the principle of freedom of choice. But I also think it`s important to not lend the support of my page views to websites that think it`s acceptable to target liberals with hate propaganda. To that end, I really want to know where you stand on this, Fancy.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm
    Cajun247

    "Even after the spike following 1996 the overall armed robbery rate is NOT lower than it was before the legislation."

    1996 Armed Robberies over 6,000, 2010 under 6,000 and heading down. I`m smoking something? I can read a line graph.

    Plus armed robbery is just stuff. I don`t value stuff as much as I value people. 1996 homicides is at 350, 2010 is 250 and heading down.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:30 pm
    Cajun247

    "For the LDS church how much? Answer the question already."

    Obviously I don`t know. I`m not part of the cult. However you saying I can`t say LDS spends money on overhead because I don`t know the exact figure is like saying I can`t say Coca-cola spends money on advertising because I don`t know their exact marketing budget. At some point you get to use common sense.

    If you can`t concede that church`s spend money on overhead and other things that do not directly relate to helping the needy then there is no reason to continue the conversation because now we are arguing over what color the sky is.
  48. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    1996 Armed Robberies over 6,000, 2010 under 6,000 and heading down. 2010 is 250 and heading down

    That`s just one data point overall the decrease is marginal.

    Plus armed robbery is just stuff

    So benefits are marginal, and it is >slightly< easier to mug someone because it is harder to legally acquire a gun. Anyone`s business/corporation isn`t worth much if no one`s around to defend it.

    If you can`t concede that church`s spend money on overhead and other things that do not directly relate to helping the needy then there is no reason to continue the conversation because now we are arguing over what color the sky is.

    Thus you admit you don`t know and there`s no point in continuing this tangent, and I agree.
  49. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:41 pm
    Yeah it`s just stuff we had to work to acquire. Building relationships, investing in education, giving up a third of our days to get the money to buy it, risking it investments et cetera. Rather pointless to pursue happiness if govt going to limit my ability to defend what I earned.
  50. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    How about I make up my mind based on the facts of each topic, and not on some party ticket that was mailed to me, or what Fox or MSNBC told me to think.
    What are you, some kind of subversive? Pick a side, and then fling your poo at the other side!
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:56 pm
    Squirrels, I haven`t watched the video yet because I am at work, but seeing wgo the contributor is I am going to assume it is some asinine right wing bs.

    I always find it funny when I come across a post like yours that calls out IAB for posting something so incredibly right or left wing. You see, most of the posts on this site are contributed by the users and therefore are really the views and opinions o the user who gets credit for the submission. From what I know of most of the mods, the is a more liberal lean when it comes to politics, but when there are about 25 links to conservative sites and videos by a select few regulars some are bound to get posted just to make sure all voices are heard.

    So just remember, don`t blame fancy if you disagree with the message of the video, or even the mods, direct your hate or admiration to whomever posted it. Thank you.
  52. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:56 pm
    Cajun247

    "That`s just one data point overall the decrease is marginal. "

    True but it is trending down. It is also 3 years old. If it continued / continues down and stays in the range or lower, it becomes less marginal over time.

    Stuff is important. But if you tell me mass shootings drop to zero, gun murder plummets, overall murder lowers, and in return armed robbery spikes a bit and then goes down to the same level I`m on board. Sign me up.

    You aren`t?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    I really want to know where you stand on this, Fancy.
    @Squrlz4Sale Get in the game or sit on the bench, but quit whining to the refs.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    @OldOllie: Refs exist for a reason, Ollie.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:05 pm
    OldOllie

    "What are you, some kind of subversive? Pick a side, and then fling your poo at the other side!"

    The funny thing is you think I`m SUPER liberal, but I always thought I would be a Republican. I voted for Bush the first time. Bush turned me into a Democrat.

    If the Republicans stopped being the party of Christian fundamentalists, evolution deniers, war mongers, bigots, and morality police I would probably vote Republican again because I want smaller government and less social programs. I HATE welfare. I HATE the federal "budget".

    However when Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum are considered party leaders and viable candidates, I`m going to be elsewhere. I want to vote for someone I think is my intellectual superior, or short of that as close as possible, not someone who would get destroyed on "So you think you`re smarter than a 5th grader?"

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    @Cobrakiller: With all due respect, it`s not that simple.

    I would not frequent a website that started posting videos such as "Fags Are A Defect Of Nature: Why do they exist?" I would refuse to have anything to do with a website that promoted that kind of hatred and would not want to help it succeed by participating in its discussions.

    SAME. EXACT. DEAL. HERE.
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    dreambrother Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    Not sure if trolling...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm
    You aren`t?


    I think you`re still overstating the benefits. As I`ve already pointed out the mass murder can occur by other means(hence a BRUSH FIRE that killed 173!!!). Ultimately I wouldn`t because it would be difficult for me to attribute those positive trends to legislation.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm
    Squrlz4Sale

    While I do agree that vitriol should always be discouraged, I can`t agree with "SAME. EXACT. DEAL. HERE."

    Liberal is a choice, gay is not. I find it much more palatable to pick on someone for being a liberal, or a lawyer, or a trekkie than I do for picking on them for being black or gay.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    Cajun247

    " I wouldn`t because it would be difficult for me to attribute those positive trends to legislation."

    11 mass shooting in the decade before the legislation, NONE in the 16 years after. How do YOU explain it?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    @HolyGod: Point well-taken. Equating the persecution of gays with the persecution of liberals (or more accurately, demonizing) was an overreach. That said, the part that is the "exact same" is that I don`t want to participate in a website that does either.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 11, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Y`all are confusingme with all this stuff.

    Isn`t this about liberals vs conservatives?
    I thought liberals just wanted the Uncle Sugar to give them circus` & rainbows and conservatives just wanted to keep white people on top.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
    486 posts
    February 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm
    Gerry is correct.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13596 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 12:08 am
    Your missing the whole punt
    Its a piss take geddit??
    and OldOllie you got me sides splitting
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 12:19 am
    How do YOU explain it?

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc. A change in society is another possible explanation. Afterall, govt IS a reflection of society`s values.
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    r66tramp Male 40-49
    674 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 2:29 am
    I think Liberals in Canada are not so left? I don`t know but this was funny and worth a replay or two or three...
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 3:35 am
    I agree with Gerry, as usual.

    As for the video, though. Eye roll. `Nuff said.

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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 3:43 am
    Here`s another startling thought. How about we all act reasonable?

    Unions do have excessive rules, but how about we protect workers to some extent anyway?

    Pollution is never a good thing, even if it does make money. How about we agree not to dump anything and everything into the water, air, and land, even if it does make a boodle of money (farmers with fertilizer and the gotta have a green lawn people, I`m looking at YOU). I don`t want to run people out of business, but if left totally alone, you will end up with environmental disaster, like the one China`s facing.

    Etc.

    How about we use rational, careful study of each issue instead of jerking a knee? And the stereotyping, leave that behind too. I`m a liberal, and yet I work a full time job and so forth. I even have conservative friends.

    Get over it, people. Try to think about what`s actually best AFTER you look at the facts.
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
    3060 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 4:03 am
    I can`t help but wonder if a liberal made this to make conservatives look stupid.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2508 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 4:14 am
    Someone is confusing hipsters with liberals. Just shows how ignorant republicans really are.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2508 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 4:16 am
    "I can`t help but wonder if a liberal made this to make conservatives look stupid."

    The wonderful thing about conservatives is that they do a good enough job at making themselves look stupid. They don`t need help from others.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 4:50 am
    "Someone is confusing hipsters with liberals."

    I challenge you to find a conservative hipster.

    Hipters are liberals because killing the country with good intentions is ironic.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 4:50 am
    Thubanstar- I am with you there- but I suspect we may as well talk to walls. Oddly enough, I have found though, that here it is my school friends ( all public school mind) are pretty much all as liberal as I- my friends from a state school tend to be more conservative. Not quite exclusively but fairly solidly, those who are highly educated tend to start relatively conservative and slowly gravitate to the left, those with little education work the other way round. also, those with a better education tend ( and I do stress the tend part) to be willing to debate and examine a subject and possibly change their opinion whereas those who are poorly educated seem unable to see alternative arguments. Once you get past about 55-60 ( or 100k a year) though, the public school kids do veer to the hard right.
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    handmadebeat Male 60-69
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    February 12, 2013 at 5:49 am
    Sometimes I wonder If a Republican is running this site
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    Big61AL Male 40-49
    59 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 5:58 am
    Isn`t there enough hate on the internet, does it have to be here too?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 6:32 am
    @HolyGod

    1996 homicides is at 350, 2010 is 250 and heading down.
    Careful. If you consider seven years (limited because next event) after the Australia ban, and the seven years after the assault weapons ban was lifted in the US, then the lifting of the assault weapons ban was ~40x more effective in reducing the homicide rate.

    Additionally, if you consider international trends of homicide rates in first world countries, Australias decline is comparable to most others (even the US) in that timeframe. It would appear that the law had no significant positive effect.

    Remember, with statistics, we must work in rates relative to controls. If we fail to do this very simple thing, then our data is meaningless.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 6:36 am
    Ha ha ha! Silly Republicans!

    If this is what the Republicans actually think, they are dumber than I thought. If we are going to erase 90% of the population that doesn`t go to the extreme, than it`s safe to assume all Republicans are monster truck watching, cousin marrying, hillbillies.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 6:46 am

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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5865 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:04 am
    HolyGod-"Every church has overhead. Every dollar that goes to that overhead is a dollar that isn`t going to help the needy."

    That would be a problem ONLY IF the church`s main function was charity. It`s not. People are donating to the church to help the church (which is, of course, classified as charity..just not one you like). ONE of the church`s functions is charitable outreach.

    Also, EVERY CHARITY has overhead, too. Some pretty bad. For example: For the American Cancer Society, only 72 cents of every dollar is used for charity. Whereas for the Christain Aid Ministries it`s 99 cents (numbers are from Forbes).

    Squrlz4Sale-"I have a major problem with I-A-B posting this video."

    Yes, everyone knows that divisive language is only allowed for the left.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5865 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:05 am
    HolyGod-" I find it much more palatable to pick on someone for being a liberal, or a lawyer, or a trekkie"

    Hey now...let`s not get nasty. Trekkie`s are people too.

    Just for example:
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:13 am
    As for the gun debate.....
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2013 at 7:18 am
    Timestamp: February 12, 2013 6:46:58 AM

    Great post McGovern!
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 7:32 am
    This is right up there on the "Stupidest **** I`ve ever seen" list.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
    1950 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:38 am
    Can I see the one where the religious right wing is made fun of, too? Don`t get me wrong - PETA can suck just as many balls as Pat Robertson can...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36176 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:51 am

    HolyGod, "I find it much more palatable to pick on someone for being a liberal, or a lawyer, or a trekkie"
    Oh no you di`nt
    Don`t mess with trekkies


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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 7:55 am
    as for McGovern`s post- I`m good either way....
    The weather might be crap, our government lobotomised but I quite like being English...
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
    1181 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:01 am
    This is just dumb, hateful bullpoo. I can`t believe you people would even waste your time on this crap.
  89. Profile photo of Limiteded
    Limiteded Male 30-39
    130 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:18 am
    Remember when political satire used to be clever? Anybody?

    ... Anybody?

    Yeah. Me either.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2105 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Damn it! That`s not a liberal, that`s Dick Cheney.
  91. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:31 am
    HAHAHA! Butt-hurt liberals!
    The IAB-LeftTard Brigade never fails to rise to the bait.

    Without, of course, making a SINGLE valid point. Just: attack, insult, deny.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:40 am
    I don`t buy that chart for a second, McGovern1981. Seeing how guns are only legal for hunting, here in Canada, and handguns are - for the most part - illegal, I have a hard time buying those stats. You`d be hard pressed to find a gun owner, in Canada.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:41 am
    @5Cats, "Valid point"?!? How can you argue against such stupidity? What point can be made?

    ...Oh wait. I have one. It is 100% wrong. There is a valid point. Nothing more needs to be said.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    578 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:46 am
    I see... so when it`s `liberal-bashing` that`s a problem and then we should just all get along. But when it`s conservative bashing then it`s no holds barred. Got it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:49 am
    @patchouly

    The sources are listed.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
    540 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 8:52 am
    I felt that things said in there could really apply to any person of any political affiliation. Let`s stop hating and just come together, we`re all humans, and no matter where you believe you came from, we are alllllll humans.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:00 am
    Strawman arguments are not very strong.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:02 am
    Patchouly, those sources are accurate. And they are well documented. The truth is that it`s a myth that guns don`t exist in Europe and Canada. In the US, you have 90 guns per 100 people, but Germanic Europe and Canada all have over 30 guns per 100 people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36176 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Limiteded, "Remember when political satire used to be clever? Anybody? ... Anybody? Yeah. Me either."
    I do. It was called "Doonesbury"


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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:12 am
    I still disagree.

    I live in Canada. When I was on the road, I toured all across it and met thousands of people. Other than a few hunters in remote areas, up north, no one owns any guns. Why would they? It`s illegal to own hand guns for protection. That leaves rifles for hunting and they are hard to get. You have to take a gun safety course to get a gun license. HEck, it`s even hard to get a good pellet rifle.

    It`s not like in the U.S. where there are tons of gun nuts. We really could care less and just don`t have the need for them. Seeing how only hunters have guns and there really aren`t a lot of hunters around, I still say that those statistics are dead wrong.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:14 am
    My guess is they did a random survey in each area. Problem is, the remote areas, where there are lots of hunters, have a higher, per capita ratio of gun owners. Most people live, smashed up against the boarder, in large towns and cities where there is no hunting. Most people have no use for guns.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:16 am
    i wonder what Africa is doing gun wise. Must be not using many guns at all. anyone want to pop over to Mali???
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Scientists? Liberals, apparently.
    Musicians? Liberals.
    Educators? Liberals, like anything to do w/ education.
    Artists? Liberals.
    Entertainers? Liberals.
    Workers? Liberals. Well, any of them who unionize.
    Black people? Liberals.
    Mexicans? Liberals.
    Immigrants? Liberals.
    Women? Liberals. At least about rape. And abortions.
    Educated men? Liberals.
    Young people? Liberals.
    Gay people? Liberals. And fakers.
    Gary Trudeau? Liberal.

    There, does that do it? So, what`s left? Old white Christian males. Have fun together, boys.
  104. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:34 am
    That chart is silly. You can`t compare the homicide rate in the USA versus countries in Africa and South America. Most of those countries are underdeveloped and poor, and have problems with illegal drug trafficking, poverty, civil unrest, organized crime, and abysmal governance.

    When you compare the USA versus developed countries (the standard by which we should be judged) , we start to look pretty bad. The homicide rate in the USA is 4.8. In Western Europe and Australia, it`s 1.0.

    Source
  105. Profile photo of VikingGuy
    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:35 am
    so what does owning something have to do with anything? i own 3 guns, live in germany, and visit the range regularly. it means i go outside since otherwise i don`t have much to do all day.
    sticking everyone who owns an object or shares an interest in the same basket leads to a witch hunt and will end affecting many innocents, which is by far not worth it for an imagined sense of "security", regardless if guns, religion, race, political perspectives, or anything much else.

    also, if you want to go on about gun sales, maybe look at what sort of lunatics your governments are selling all sorts of wonderful real tools of war to, from automatic weaponry to missiles and other such things.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:35 am
    *sigh*

    remember when there were fun games on this site? what happened to that?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:37 am
    My favorite thing about the charts and stats listed here is how gun advocates think it makes sense to compare the US to third world nations and pretend that somehow, because there`s less death here, or less gun violence here, or whatever, that we`re supposed to be impressed. As if that`s what we`re to aspire to.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:40 am
    also if we´re going by "need", i do not own a microwave, or a car, as i do not feel i "need" these things. if you do not feel the "need" for a gun, then simply do not buy one. learn to respect others, not fear them.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:42 am
    also i agree with collegebound, needs more games, or fun stuff, not real world pathetic american politics. this is not fun.
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 9:50 am
    Wow... astounding. Incredibly close minded.
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    chuckleboy Male 50-59
    145 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:07 am
    OldOllie, I`m disappointed. You`ve always seemed like a cranky but basically fair-minded guy. The whole "liberal bashing" biz seems beneath you. There are no shortage of idiots on either side of the political fence...
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    wsmithpa Male 30-39
    87 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:13 am
    I do not consider myself a liberal... but why is it when i get called one it is almost always by someone that has an extremely low IQ. I am not trying to make a joke. i am asking why does it feel this way.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:13 am
    My favorite thing about the charts and stats listed frequently on this site is how gun opponents think it makes sense to compare the US to other first world nations and pretend that somehow, because there`s more homicide here, or less gun violence there, or whatever, that we`re supposed to be impressed.

    In doing so, they imply that a strict causality exists between firearm availability and homicide rates - which has been disproven many times. These people fail to account for cultural, geographical, and socioeconomical differences among our countries.

    Now, when we compare "before and after" homicide rate CHANGES over time, we find that the introdcution of strict gun-control laws has a tendency to stunt the decline of homicide rates compared to other first world nations. See: Australia.
  114. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:21 am
    ...Oh wait. I have one. It is 100% wrong.
    @patchouly: And I`m the one who`s "closed minded" eh?

    But when it`s conservative bashing then it`s no holds barred. Got it.
    @papajon0s1: That`s the "Liberal Golden Rule"! ONE rule for me, a different rule for YOU!

    For example:
    Bush uses drones to kill forigners? = BAD!
    Obama uses drones to kill Americans? = GOOD!

    Liberals have NO PROBLEM with this double standard, they embrace it!

    @Gerry1: Doonsbury was always 100% biased. As biased and bigoted as can possibly be. And singularly un-funny since 1975...
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:28 am
    @5Cats:

    That`s the "Liberal Golden Rule"! ONE rule for me, a different rule for YOU!

    5Cats, I have *never* submitted a video suggesting that the world would be a better place without conservatives. Never have and never will. I have always done my best to address people on this site as individuals and to not dismiss large populations with labels.

    Also, as far as the use of drones goes: It was bad when Bush The Younger did it, and it`s just as bad that Obama`s doing it. I`ve never suggested otherwise.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2105 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:30 am
    Here`s your valid point-He didn`t make one. So....Republican=retard
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:34 am
    5Cats:
    "@patchouly: And I`m the one who`s "closed minded" eh? "
    --------

    When an incorrect statement is made and I call someone on it, that is not being closed minded.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:36 am
    OldOllie, "I couldn`t agree more, but the video`s not what`s funny here -- it`s watching the liberals like HG go all ape$#!+ crazy over it."

    So you finally agree you are nothing but a troll who posts things to get a rise out of people. That explains the majority of your comments. Duly noted. I will put you back on my ignore list.

    5Cats, "The IAB-LeftTard Brigade never fails to rise to the bait."

    Flat out admitting you are a Troll who likes to bait liberals. Duly noted. I will put you back on my ignore list.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:41 am
    markust123: you`ve been coming to this site for HOW long and you forgot that 5cats and OldOllie are trolls? shame on you.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:43 am
    papajon0s1

    "when it`s conservative bashing then it`s no holds barred. Got it."

    Give me one example of a post on here that generalizes all conservatives and calls them worthless pieces of poo destroying america. I bash conservatives` bad ideas, not who they are. My father is a republican. He is a brilliant man. i have tons of respect for my father and would never lump him in with the tea party, birthers, or evolution deniers. He hates that his party has been taken over by intellectually absent religious fanatics.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:45 am
    "This is so f.ucking repugnant."
    "one of the stupidest, intellectually anemic things I`ve seen posted here"
    "Just shows how ignorant republicans really are."
    "The wonderful thing about conservatives is that they do a good enough job at making themselves look stupid."
    "If this is what the Republicans actually think, they are dumber than I thought."
    "It is 100% wrong. There is a valid point."
    "Here`s your valid point-He didn`t make one. So....Republican=retard"

    So... this is the party of tolerance, peace, and open-mindedness then?

    Disclaimer: I know not all of you behave this way, I am just attempting to illustrate the irony of statements being made by certain individuals.
  122. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:46 am
    HumanAction, first of all, you didn`t answer the question about the comparison to third world countries, which was my point. Well, except to make an attack of my logic in a completely different (though, admittedly, cleverly sarcastic) direction.

    To answer your question about comparing cultures, causality, and then claming that Australia supports your points is just folly. And a gross misrepresentation of the data. The study you`re thinking of has been universally debunked and was paid for by guns rights advocates.

    Finally, and this is the real kicker, I don`t think most gun control advocates are calling for bans on guns. Or even *any* guns, really. I think *most* are calling for real and supported controls like licensing, registration, closed loopholes, background checks and perhaps liability insurance. Not all unlike the requirements for driving a car.
  123. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:47 am
    @markust: Did I post this? NO!
    Did I comment and provoke the Libtards for the first 4 pages of their ape-poo reflexive hate? NO!
    Do the Libtards regularly say far worse things about conservatives? YES!

    @Squirlz, I don`t recall singling you out, if I did by accident I`m sorry.

    When an incorrect statement is made and I call someone on it, that is not being closed minded.
    @patchouly: So when I do that: it`s BAD, and when YOU do that: it`s GOOD!
    That completely confirms my statement, thank you!
  124. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
    Squirlz4Sale

    "Also, as far as the use of drones goes: It was bad when Bush The Younger did it, and it`s just as bad that Obama`s doing it. I`ve never suggested otherwise."

    Of course because you are reasonable and fair. I hate the drone program. I hate the drug war. I hate rendition. I hate torture. I hate the patriot act. I hate censorship. I hate LOTS of things Obama has done. I have signed petitions and written emails to my congressman about it.

    I am not thrilled with Obama. However, Romney would have done them all too. I would have voted for Ron Paul over Obama if I had the choice. Conservatives act as if not voting for a Republican means you LOVE Obama. Politics is a lesser of two evils proposition.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
    @SmagBoy1

    first of all, you didn`t answer the question about the comparison to third world countries
    It wasn`t my point to do so. I was illustrating the irony of your statement relative to the supposed "evidence" introduced by gun-control advocates. However, to address your point, comparing the US to any other nation would not be a "fair" comparison.

    The study you`re thinking of has been universally debunked and was paid for by guns rights advocates
    Uh... "The study" you reference is an Excel spreadsheet with homicide rate data from Wikipedia. I have no idea what study you think I am referencing.

    Not all unlike the requirements for driving a car
    Consider how many accidents and crimes occur each year with vehicles. Do you suppose the government can adequately determine proficiency? I do not. These suggestions would be wastes of money.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
    @SmagBoy1: Quit changing the subject! Typical Libtard tactic...

    @HolyGod: You`ve said horrendous things about those you disagree with: both specific people and in general blanketing statements, usually after labeling them "conservatives" or "Republicans" so STFU!

    @HumanAction: Outstanding work! Well done indeed!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36176 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I think you all need a time-out.

    I declare this thread closed for 15 minutes.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:00 am
    Consider how many accidents and crimes occur each year with vehicles. Do you suppose the government can adequately determine proficiency? I do not. These suggestions would be wastes of money.

    No, but being allowed to regulate the auto industry has led to vastly safer cars with a 40% reduction in fatal accidents. If you`re saying the common sense regulations aren`t appropriate for gun owners, how do you expect to have a well "regulated" militia? If we don`t know who that militia is, they`re neither a militia, nor are they well regulated.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:03 am
    5Cats

    "You`ve said horrendous things about those you disagree with"

    Actually I disagree frequently with Megrendel, McGovern1981, HumanAction, Cajun247, and lots of others and I don`t believe I have ever been personally insulting to them. The only people I can remember being personally offensive to is you and Crakr and that isn`t to be mean. I just honestly believe you both have deep mental problems.

    I don`t use terms like "libertard" to group all conservatives together and I don`t personally attack them. I have 2,300 posts on here. feel free to prove me wrong and I will be happy to admit it and apologize.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:10 am
    5Cats

    "You`ve said horrendous things about those you disagree with"

    Actually I disagree frequently with Megrendel, McGovern1981, HumanAction, Cajun247, and lots of others and I don`t believe I have ever been personally insulting to them. The only people I can remember being personally offensive to is you and Crakr and that isn`t to be mean. I just honestly believe you both have deep mental problems.

    I don`t use terms like "libertard" to group all conservatives together and I don`t personally attack them. I have 2,300 posts on here. feel free to prove me wrong and I will be happy to admit it and apologize.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:16 am
    @SmagBoy1

    No, but being allowed to regulate the auto industry has led to vastly safer cars with a 40% reduction in fatal accidents
    Well that`s greatly misleading. I think the most likely culprit is technological advances rather than regulations. Even without regulations, consumer demand for safety would result in safer vehicles. I mean, kayaks have gotten safer over time - do you suppose because of regulations?

    If anything, the recent CAFE regulations will yield a fleet of more dangerous vehicles.

    how do you expect to have a well "regulated" militia?
    The "militia" deal just isn`t true. See: Majority opinion in DC v. Heller.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Happy B-day Abe...im sure we make you proud...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 12, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I think the gov`ment should give us all guns.
    Just like Obama-phones.
    The Second Amendment says I`m entitled to a gun!

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2013 at 11:47 am
    HolyGod-"I don`t believe I have ever been personally insulting to them."

    I don`t know, HG...the trekkie remark was pretty damn close...
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 11:50 am
    @HolyGod & anyone else trying to argue with him,

    This guy is one of the VERY few reasonably minded people to post to i-a-b. i find it absolutely hilarious that any one is trying to put him on a liberal or conservative side of anything... but keep trying. the rest of you "liberals" and "conservatives" need to wake the f*ck up and realize you are all playing their game... and they`re winning.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 12, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Trekkies have always been persecuted.
    But we always come out on top `cause we know we`re right. Except in gym class where we get the snot beat out of us.


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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    Hahahaha.

    Are you guys being serious about the trekkie thing? I was just trying to pick another thing that somewhat defines a person and id a choice besides a profession or political affiliation. I have nothing but love for the trekkies.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    cityncolour

    Thanks. I have very strong opinions, but I consider every single one of them open to change if proven wrong. I know I can seem heavy handed but I try to not be offensive and i have nothing but respect for someone who disagrees with me and makes an intelligent rational argument (see HumanAction, Cajun, etc.)

    Some people just drive me insane on here and I have been hostile at times. That derives, not from their differing opinion, but from their complete unwillingness to follow the basic tenets or reasonable discourse.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    February 12, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    Bloody Hellfire..............
    Gerry- want cheesecake? Vanilla?
    No- you can`t have a gun, told you before- you could take someones eye out with one o they...
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Drone strike -using, Guantanamo Bay -perpetuating and photographic evidence of rape, torture and murder -suppressing war criminal Barrack Obama is a "liberal" just because he`s a democrat? Don`t make me laugh/puke. Next you`ll be telling me he`s a pacifist just because someone was stupid enough to give him the Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush ten seconds after he got into office, and he`s a Grand Wizard in the Klu Klux Klan because he lives in the White House.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    @HG

    Of course we didn`t take the trekkie thing seriously. We just took your joke and ran with it.
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    I guess liberal means something different in the states...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    uatme

    "I guess liberal means something different in the states..."

    Nah. This is just dumb. False reverse equation.

    All Hipsters & Hippies = All Liberals (somewhat accurate)
    All Liberals = All Hipsters & Hippies (not even f.ucking close)


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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    THAT`S IT. I`ve had enough. And I`m taking everyone with me. ~plink~


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    TuckFarted Female 18-29
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    February 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    Murricah is the sole reason humanity`s average IQ dropped 30 points.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    TuckFarted

    "Murricah is the sole reason humanity`s average IQ dropped 30 points"

    No doubt that the level of proud ignorance in this country is staggering, but a lot of the best and brightest still live in America, whether they were born here or immigrated here.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 12, 2013 at 8:22 pm
    I will put you back on my ignore list.

    Promises, promises...
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm
    SmagBoy1, you left one group off of your list: parasites, but I guess that would be redundant.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 12, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    "Murricah is the sole reason humanity`s average IQ dropped 30 points."

    Actually, we`re in the top quartile, as you can see here. If you want to know why we`re not higher on the list, look at the bottom of the list.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    OldOllie

    "Actually, we`re in the top quartile, as you can see here. If you want to know why we`re not higher on the list, look at the bottom of the list."

    Hahaha holy s.hit. Are you saying America`s average IQ is lower because we imported black people? I`m not saying that isn`t factually accurate, at least according to this, just kinda ballsy / drated up.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 12, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    WOW @OldOllie: If that`s a realistic chart? It reinforces a lot of stereotypes: both positive and negative...

    But isn`t that what "natural selection" is all about? You`d think liberals would embrace that, since ONLY GOD would "create us all equal" while Mother Nature would "weed out the weak", eh?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    There is a study I read that suggests IQs developed faster in environments that were hostile, like europe and asia, because humans needed to innovate with tools, farming practices, and travel to survive. Meanwhile people in nice climates, like africa and south america could live off the land in a very basic matter.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 2:44 am
    @HolyGod: So then how do you explain the English? Because they`re thick as pigshyt. Most of them can`t even tell the difference between "England" and "Great Britain".
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 7:49 am
    "Actually, we`re in the top quartile, as you can see here. If you want to know why we`re not higher on the list, look at the bottom of the list."

    good thing black people invented a lot/most of the things around in your household then eh?

    just becuase we live simply in other countries due to lack of resources doesn`t make us stupid. if anything it makes us smarter. us here in the US probably couldn`t go a month without the technologies and luxuries that we have. most people in those countries have to go without these things for their ENTIRE lives. if anything they are SMARTER than us. probably healthier for it too.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 8:10 am
    Hey guys, what did I miss?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 8:37 am
    CollegeBound

    If you believe anything you just said is factually accurate, perhaps you should stop simply being bound, and actually go to college.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 9:30 am
    But that would also mean conservative capitalism as we know it would have to yield to something a lot more along the lines of socialism as we go to a simpler, sharing society where grow, grow, grow! becomes, maintain, sustain, live carefully.

    Or, we can just keep growing, and let the ugly scene be played out. If I have one core reason to be a liberal, this would be it. We can`t live as though it`s 1900, it`s not. We can`t act like we have all the resources and space in the world. We don`t.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Been reading the first bunch of posts...

    Here`s the basic thing. Let`s set aside the guns, evolution, abortion, etc. debate, and look at an issue that actually affects the world in a "make it or break it" kind of way.

    There are more people on this earth than ever in the history of man. We have no way to leave this planet. Maybe, (BIG MAYBE) someday we will be able to go to other planets and relieve the crowding. Right now, this is all we have.

    Capitalism as we know it in this country is based on many things, one of which is GROWTH. We always need more people, more houses, more cars, more this and that because that is what makes our economy tick.

    We can`t keep going on like that. We can`t, we will drown in our own filth.

    Many ways to end this problem. The old fashioned way of war and plague is horrible, but fairly effective. Perhaps a new-fangled way like, say, talking to each other and agreeing to not have so many babies, so much
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 9:38 am
    Hey guys, what did I miss?
    @patchy: Nuttin much. Same ol` same old.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 9:42 am
    "If you believe anything you just said is factually accurate, perhaps you should stop simply being bound, and actually go to college."

    OR you could do some research and figure out that:

    Nathaniel Alexander made the folding chair.

    John H Allen - Pattern generator for simulating image generation.

    Bertram F Baker - Automatic Cashier.

    David Baker - Interliners to Prevent Tire Punctures.

    Ambrose Caliver - Work Cabinet.

    Robert Leon Campbell - Valve Gear for Steam Engines.

    George R. Carruthers - Far-ultraviolet Camera and Spectrograph.

    Henry Falkner - Ventilated Shoe.

    Robert F. Flemmings Jr. - Guitar.

    Sylvester J. Fletcher - Refuse container.

    Irvin S. Frye - Adjustable Shackles. (aint that a bitch...a black man made handcuffs...)

    Albert Y Garner - Flame retardant.

    Ralph Garner - Anti-theft/anti-fraud system utilizing specialized merchandise tag/label and uniq
  161. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 9:44 am
    realized i may have went too far by saying "most things in your household."

    what i should have said was something along the lines of this. Black people have invented some pretty important poo. we aren`t stupid because we are stupid. we are stupid by choice and by "the man`s" design.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 9:48 am
    nope just double checked. black people have still invented and/or made improvements to a lot/most things around your house. hmmm.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:53 am
    funny vid
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    collegebound

    "just double checked. black people have still invented and/or made improvements to a lot/most things around your house."

    You are certifiably f.ucking nuts. You could say "a lot" and I would say absolutely, black people have made lots of important contributions. "Most"? Do you know what the word most means? It means more than half. I have 10s of thousands of items in my home. Your list included 3 things I have in my home.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    collegebound-"Black people have invented some pretty important poo."

    Yes, but not most of the stuff in my house.

    collegebound-"we aren`t stupid because we are stupid"

    Actually, if you`re stupid, it`s because YOU are stupid (proverbial `you`). But I get what you`re saying. Someone is not stupid because of what race they are. This is correct.

    collegebound-"we are stupid by choice"

    Yes.

    collegebound-"and by "the man`s" design."

    No. There is no `the man` making anyone stupid. I know quite a bit of liberal `education` that does so, but no `the man`.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:02 pm
    HolyGod: what you want me to break out a whole list? nah. and as i said we`ve also improved upon said items around the house. i worded that response weird so i won`t hold that against you.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 14, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Wow, CB! Folding Chairs? A work cabinet? Ventilated shoes? I never even realized. I guess that really puts our guys to shame -- guys like Aristotle, Hipparcos, Gallileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Leibnitz, Franklin, Maxwell, Bell, Marconi, Farnsworth, Watt, Fulton, Kelvin, Faraday, Tesla, Edison, Ford, Curie, Roentgen, Einstein, Plank, Bohr, Heisenberg, Gell-Mann, Fermi, Avogadro, Hubble, Guth, Oppenheimer, Fleming, Salk, Pasteur, Reynolds, Boltzman, Compton, Lister, Watson and Crick, Shockley, Berners-Lee and Cailliau -- I could go on, but I doubt that I`ll ever be able to beat that folding chair thing.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
    OldOllie: again, do you want me to break out the whole list? that isnt going to happen. you are all big boys. look it up yourselves.

    the point of those simple things on the list was the fact that those are things around the house. you may have missed that the first 3 or 4 times i said it.

    did you guys actually do black history month learning DURING black history month in school? was ANYTHING actually taught to you about black people OTHER than the fact that we went through slavery and jim crow?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    collegebound

    Dude, I am totally on board with black people making tons of contributions to society. The point is, I can say white people invented phones, cars, planes, televisions, computers, the internet, electricity, light bulbs, etc. Your list had things like adjustable shackles and folding chairs. Those are good things and contributions to society, but certainly not things I couldn`t live without. So when you use words like "most" it is ridiculously hyperbolic.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2013 at 8:28 pm
    collegebound

    "was ANYTHING actually taught to you about black people"

    To be honest, when I learn about an inventor I don`t really give a s.hit whether he or she is black, white, asian, or whatever. It doesn`t affect anything. Skin color doesn`t matter or define a person. I know Edison was white because he is so ubiquitously famous that I have seen pictures of him, not because I learned about him during "white history".

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