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Date: 02/15/13 09:17 AM

108 Responses to Pregnant Woman Hog-Tied By CHP

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Link: Pregnant Woman Hog-Tied By CHP - Stopped for talking on her cellphone, she should have pulled over quicker. Did that warrant their actions? She won $250K
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:39 am
    She should have received a ticket, not $250k
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    bluevayero Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:40 am
    i agree with the arrest, and tying her up because she is a threat to every driver out there, but that force was not nessessary
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Six men against a woman...are you serious?
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:46 am
    Yes she was stupid, but he was criminal. That `fall` could have seriously compromised her pregnancy.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:46 am
    Stupid lawbreaking citizen... how dare she look so innocent! They should have punched and kicked her a few times for good measure! She is obviously a hardened criminal, for crying out loud!
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:48 am
    Check out the nice kick he gives her at about the 4:17 to 4:20 mark. I believe she was already hand cuffed.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 9:59 am
    I`ve got to support the officers in this one. She took three full minutes to pull over: THREE MINUTES. If you can`t comply within 30 seconds, that`s a serious problem. She made the situation still worse by failing to comply with the officers` instructions when she exited her vehicle. If I was an officer, I`d have to conclude that she`s either high on drugs, mentally deranged, or perhaps plotting an aggressive action. Since she demonstrated that, for whatever reason, she was incapable of taking direction, it was reasonable for the officers to take control of her physically and move her where they needed to for them do their jobs. I`m surprised and disappointed that she won $250K.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:02 am
    She looked like she was trying to get away and was acting strange. Then, when she got out of the car, she wasn`t doing what she was told. They had to take her down for their safety.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:03 am
    I agree 100%, Squrlz4Sale.
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    badfish951 Male 70 & Over
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:03 am
    F that. Patrol was way out of line. Find a 200 pound man to try your sweet new MMA moves on.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Stupid cow. Didn`t pull over. Didn`t turn around or follow other instructions. A man would have been tazered or just shot.

    She should have gotten community service picking up trash, not cash.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:12 am

    It probably took so long to pull over `cause she needed time to eat her stash.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Only in America...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:16 am
    I`m siding with the cops on this one as well. You hear them telling her to "get off the phone" unless she wants a bigger fine, then she speeds up and and weaves her way into traffic... that wasn`t a very smart move! When she got out of the minivan they told her to turn around and she just stood there looking like, "I`m a white woman driving a minivan, not a criminal." As for the "kick" you mentioned at 4:17, it`s hard to see but she was probably fighting back and he hit her with his knee to make her stop. As for the "she`s just woman" comments, have any of you ever tried to restrain someone while they were fighting back? I had to go through training like that in the Marines, never used it in a real-life situation but still, you`d be surprised how much of a fight someone can put up, even if you`re double their weight.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:18 am
    @Gerry: trash... cash... stash. I see you`re working up to a limerick there. LOL
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    irunfast86 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:24 am
    damn she went down quick. she should have the book thrown at her for evading him the way she did and she should face maximum penalties for that however, the cop didn`t have to kick her legs out and tackle her. she isn`t a crack head with a knife. im not sure what i hate more, aggressive cops or bitches constantly talking on their phones.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:27 am
    Wow, another prime example of sue happy america, winning litigation for doing nothing other than being a dumbass..
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:28 am
    Only in America...

    Yes in the UK they use magical wellness sticks....
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:31 am
    I`ve seen this hundreds of times....she didn`t think the police were after HER, so she was just trying to get out of the way for three minutes. Then when she finally figured it out, she pulled over and just stood there not following directions. As for the takedown, I don`t think it was all that necessary. She wasn`t aggressive and apparently didn`t understand what was happening. Dumb maybe, I don`t know. Having been in that situation many times, a deep breath and a little patience goes a long way. On a related note, does this CHP Officer really think it`s necessary to make a stop and write a cell phone ticket in heavy traffic, in a construction zone ? Really ? I wouldn`t have made that stop. But they`re the highway patrol. They have nothing else to do.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:34 am
    Cellphone users are the bane of society. These police don`t know if she`s old, young, pregnant, all they see is someone not complying and that could be a risk to them. Serves her right.
    On a lighter note McG, that was funny.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:35 am
    I have to agree with Squrlz as well. Not only was she acting strange, but the officers had no idea who or what might have been out of sight in the van. If there had been someone else in the back seat with a weapon, the woman would have been in the way of dealing with that threat. Maybe they did use more force than necessary, but their actions were not totally out of line.
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    handmadebeat Male 60-69
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:36 am
    ForSquirel/ irunfast86 you both are dumb**s! Not much else to say....oh....maybe...F**k the police!
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:37 am

    This is a tough one. I despise mouthy arrogant women. The kind who think they can do whatever they want because "I`m a girl, you won`t hit me!"

    I also have a burning hatred for the police. Nothing more than an arrogant gang of hypocrites with badges.

    Although I thoroughly enjoyed seeing her taken down and kneed, It was completely unnecessary. It is bull shart that the charges were dismissed. And B.S. that she won a settlement. The correct scenario would have been if she was simply cuffed, taken to jail, had all the charges stick with out the harsh (but deserved) take down and her resulting settlement.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
    I could use 250k any police up for it? I`ll even let you beat the crap out of me for that much unlike this dumb b**ch!!
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
    talking on a cell phone? she should have just been on a computer and radio while driving, much safer.
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:43 am
    @ McGovern1981

    No, that`s his forget-me-stick!
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:46 am
    In this situation, they CHP officers and the woman were in the wrong. She was breaking the law, didn`t pull over, and didn`t follow orders. The officers however, shouldn`t have pulled someone over in a congested construction area for a minor infraction. I can see their point, early in the video she was swerving over the line and obviously not paying attention; could have been a DUI. They were also too aggressive in my opinion on their take-down. Does this warrant a civil suit judgement; HELL NO! The US is sue happy, if she wasn`t a dumbass then it wouldn`t have happened.
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:48 am
    I also wonder what California laws are for being on video and being mailed a ticket. I`m sure they have cameras that monitor speed, but is there a system in which a person can be sent a ticket with a still image of them talking on the cellphone from a dashboard camera?
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:48 am
    "To Protect & To Serve" means only themselves...
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    handmadebeat Male 60-69
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:49 am
    For the people who side with the cops....I am very happy you are not a cop. I am sure the judge who awarded this women $250k is happy you aren`t cops either.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 10:57 am
    @handmadebeat,
    Let me guess, you are one of those 12 year old kids that puts 60 for their age?

    If you don`t listen when a cop tells you to do something, you deserve to be taken down. A cops job is hard enough without idiots thinking they don`t have to listen. This woman could have been psyc`ing herself up to shoot at them. No way to tell. If a person is so dense that they can`t follow simple rules; take them down. Better safe than sorry.
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    Chives Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:00 am
    I agree with them arresting her for not complying and then not putting her hands on the car when she was told, but there was no need to sweep-kick her when he could have just as easily handcuffed her from the start.
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    C_Frost Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:00 am
    why do these dumb a$$es keep getting out of the car.?! DO NOT GET OUT OF YOUR CAR UNLESS ORDERED TO.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:01 am
    I`m not saying Chris Dorner had a point, but Chris Dorner.....he had a point. Say what you like about President Assad`s thugs, but at least they don`t have the gall to pretend what they do is about serving or protecting the public.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:02 am
    McGovern1981 That is a police medic...is supposed to heal the other police officers,not the crowd.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:04 am

    MacGuffin, I understand your confusion. The police are not there to "protect the public". They are there to keep the peace. Right/wrong... justice... those are for the courts to worry about. All the cops care is that you toe the line. Do NOT make a disturbance, do not step out of line.

    Their job is to keep you in line.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:13 am
    dognose82 she was swerving over the line to let the police pass cause is obvious that at the beginning the woman was not aware that they was after her. Anyway how in the hell you pretend that someone stop in a road so trafficated and with work in progress? Maybe the cop was so intent on eating his 5 donuts that he didn`t pay attention to the situation.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:13 am
    @piperfawn - Yes, that is a police medic in the picture McGovern1981 posted. In that picture this police medic has his nightstick raised as if he`s about to start beating someone over the head.

    @patchouly - I agree with your assessment of handmadebeat.
  40. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:14 am
    You can clearly see the woman harm that indicate the police to pass her at a certain point.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:15 am
    @piper


    Besides that ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Besides that ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath?
    Is a police medic a doctor? Because if he isn`t then there is no hippocratic oath.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:22 am
    Yes she was stupid, but he was criminal. That `fall` could have seriously compromised her pregnancy.
    I`m no expert but being in a car crash because you were talking on your cell phone could also compromise your pregnancy.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:23 am
    she was evading police
    failed to comply with a lawfull oder

    nope she was asking for it. this thime the pigs where in the right
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:23 am
    Hippocratic Oath sure, i am not so sure that a police medic have to do that oath. He is just another feking cop that only have a medic bag with him. I am more in the point than you.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:25 am
    The "maybe she was confused and didn`t know they were pulling her over so she was trying to get out of the way" argument doesn`t work either. When you see a cop turn on his party lights you move out of the way so they can pass. If they stay behind you and don`t pass, common sense dictates that you`re the one they`re pulling over.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:28 am
    "To Protect & To Serve" means only themselves...

    You are correct, and the Supreme Court has confirmed this.

    2005 SCOTUS Ruling: Police Not Constitutionally Bound to Protect Citizens
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:29 am
    whodat6484 if you watch the video carefully after she move out the first time there were no other possibility for her to move out again cause of the barriers of road work.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:32 am
    @C_Frost
    at 3:30 she was ordered out of the car.

    @Chives
    at 3:49 you see a cop pointing a gun at her telling her to get down she did not. so that is
    resisting arrest

    @everyone
    California’s “Evading an Officer” Law
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:33 am
    I am more in the point than you.

    Ummmm what??

    Is a police medic a doctor? Because if he isn`t then there is no hippocratic oath.

    Nurses don`t take it?? Not sure what the qualifications are for a police medic but I`m pretty sure they reat all not just police.
  51. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Nurses don`t take it??
    I don`t think so; iirc it`s only doctors.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Oh they take the Nightingale Pledge which is pretty much the same thing.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:38 am
    "I`m pretty sure they reat all not just police."

    Ummmm what??
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:40 am
    whodat6484 is it possible to pull over on sidewalk?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @piperfawn - No. She pulls onto the shoulder that is about as wide as a regular lane and then goes back onto the road well before they reach the construction barriers. Watch the first 52 seconds of the clip, she had plenty of room to pull over. The first barrier looks like they`re on a small overpass bridge, then the shoulder widens again before the construction zone. Once she passes the construction barrier she cuts to the left and into traffic.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:42 am
    There`s no sidewalk, it`s the shoulder of the road with a metal guardrail. Plenty of room to pull over there.
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    handmadebeat Male 60-69
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:47 am
    let me guess patchouly...you wanted to be a cop when you were growing up..but now you just police this website. "A cops job is hard enough without idiots thinking they don`t have to listen"? I am sure you know this first hand when you got you 300 pound butt off your chair from in front of your computer to walk outside last year? -I see you are from Canada...Talk to me about cops in the US when you live in the US. I don`t agree with you.. and the judge who awarded this women $250K doesn`t agree with you either. One more thing, just because a person doesn`t listen to a cop when they scream at them, doesn`t make that person a criminal, nor do they deserve to be slammed to the ground. Cops can be wrong as well ..and crooked ..and ignorant. Turn off the Fox news and go out and see the world...it`s not as scary as you may think. -and pregnant women on cellphones aren`t scary either..even if the police and the news want you to believe it.
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    Gauddith Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:48 am
    For everybody siding with the cops on this one, what the actual hell? I don`t care, I seriously don`t care. She was on her phone. God forbid she talks on her phone.
    Real talk? Guys, remember the days when you didn`t have to wear a seatbelt, and you could ride in the back of a truck? Yeah? I do, over protective laws instated by scared individuals are what are giving police the power to act like this.
    The cop who forced her to the ground took out his frustration on a person in an inappropriate way, there did not need to be more then one cop in this situation. The fact that she was pregnant only makes this all the worse. People should never be treated like this for anything. There is no `asking` to be treated like a sub human. There are only people who act like it`s necessary. Be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that she deserved it. If I were that cop, I would have taken her licence plate down and sent her a bloody ticket in the mail. Job done.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:53 am
    @piperfawn

    *treat

    So your point is you`re against the action of these police because they`re from the US and violent but cops from the UK beating people over the skull with batons is A OK!
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:58 am
    he gets in a kick to the stomach at 4:20 ish. WHAT THE drat IS WRONG WITH AMERICAN POLICE? how does one woman, pregnant, not really doing anything that would warrent more than a polite, "talking on your cellphone while driving it not a good idea mam, have a nice day and drive safe" turn into someone forceably knocked down, hog tided and kicked in the stomach? yet another outward sign that your country is F UCKED up.
  61. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 11:59 am
    MacGuffin, I understand your confusion. The police are not there to "protect the public". They are there to keep the peace. Right/wrong... justice... those are for the courts to worry about. All the cops care is that you toe the line. Do NOT make a disturbance, do not step out of line.

    Their job is to keep you in line.

    You don`t need to tell me about the Police, bud - I worked in the police service, remember? I can only assure you that it`s *your* police that are there to keep you in line. Ours exist to serve, and they do it by consent. They don`t even have guns, because they don`t go around antagonising people.

    …
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I`m not saying there aren`t a few tossers in the UK police service, particularly in the Met. However, from personal observation, it is a minority of tossers within a majority of good people doing a difficult job in the UK. As opposed to the situation in the US, where it seems to be a few good people amongst a majority of pathetic bullies that are regularly caught breaking the law and abusing citizen`s rights, but are rarely punished for what they do.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    Reckless driving in front of a police car, swerving off the road when making a lane changes, talking on the phone, cutting all the way across traffic, refusing to stop when the police have their lights on right behind you and have been behind you for a while. Then on top of all that not cooperating to toss the keys out as told to do, nor following commands once out of the car. This idiot did pretty much everything you are not supposed to do, and especially not in front of a cop. She deserved to be treated the way she was. If you don`t follow a cops commands when a gun is pointed at you then you have to be expecting they will make you cooperate by force.

    And what do we do? We reward this idiot with $250,000? That waste of space shouldn`t be allowed to drive but we put her back on the road and with money in her pocket.

    I don`t usually side with the cops, but in this case I do. The sue happy society we live in to reward dumbasses is ridiculous.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    McGovern1981 nope they both are oink oink.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    When I was 19 I was working in a warehouse putting together hydraulic hoses by hand. It was a horrible job. I hope that is what brought on the following horrible thought because I have never had an evil thought like this since. I had glued a quarter to the floor and this really pretty woman from the office bent down to pick it up. It took a pit of work to get down because she was pregnant. When she stood up this voice in my head said, punch her in the stomach. Out loud I said, holy crap! We were both embarrassed but by different things.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    looking around i found this tid bit

    "Gaglione was later charged with resisting arrest and driving with a suspended license, but those counts were dropped. "
  67. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    she said
    "I`d never seen a gun for real before," Gaglione said later. "I just froze. I was scared they`d shoot me."

    cop said
    In their report, the officers said the incident had escalated because the woman had ignored their orders and appeared to raise her arms in an aggressive manner after hopping out of the van.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    Oh my god. I just remembered the funniest thing from that job. My boss was a complete ass. One day he decided to show me how to put the connecter on a hose (something I had done thousands of times). He put the connecter into the spinning machine and put the hose into it and pressed the foot petal. Once the fitting was tight the reinforcement cable in the hose caught his pants by the crotch and started spinning him towards the machine. He said something like, "Oh my, something is wrong here" as it pulled him closer.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    markust123 please go on!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    "She won $250K"

    After reading this article, it has come to my attention that she actually didn`t "win" the $250K. She sued the CHP but before any of the officers involved made their statements and the video was admitted as evidence the CHP Commissioner agreed to settle.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    The cops could have handled that better. But still, holy beajeezus! That woman should not own a driver`s license.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    With all due respect. Should she face some sort of punishment for such idiotic driving? Of course. A fine would be more than enough.

    Those of you who say that she deserved it all, if you consent that she deserved a kick in the gut then allow me to say that you are an utter idiot and would do us all a favor if you`d jump off the nearest cliff.

    Also, something is very very wrong with your police. I`ve traveled quite a bit and had a few dealings with the local law enforcement, but yours takes the cake. All the more astonishing that you keep defending such behavior.

    Cops are not there to "keep you in line", are you daft? They are there to serve and protect.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Telling someone to "jump off a cliff" is no better than someone saying she deserved it. Why do all the people who speak out against violence threaten others that don`t agree with them with violence? That`s like the pro-life people who are against the killing of unborn fetuses blowing up an abortion clinic killing the doctors & nurses. Doesn`t make much sense, does it?
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    The police are the enemy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    @whodat6484

    Don`t waste your time he`s European meaning he`s all knowing and always right. If you haven`t noticed the pattern yet.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    McGovern1981 OMG i didn`t expect that you could be the first to notice this indeniable truth... :-P
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    DormEd - That was HILARIOUS!!! And very True.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    @whodat:

    Whilst I do agree the wording might have been chosen better on my side, I simply find it hard to believe that there are people defending cops kicking pregnant women in the gut. Such people are a disgrace.

    @McGovern: At last you acknowledge the simple truth. I am indeed all knowing and as a matter of fact I know that it`s your time of the month. The only logical explanation of your reaction. :)

    I am only saying that if this is the standard behavior of your law enforcement (and one that you as citizens agree with), then something is very very wrong.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    @whodat:

    Plus, I am not saying that they should do so, for I have no such authority. I`m just suggesting that the global IQ level might rise a bit if people defending kicking pregnant women in the gut are removed from the gene pool per se...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    I simply find it hard to believe that there are people who still support royalty and have the gaul to consider themselves somehow smarter.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    Lol cause macgovernor think that England represent/is all Europe
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    What does that have to do with me or what I wrote?
    I neither support nor live in monarchy (although pros and cons of regimes as such are debatable and one might argue that your version of democracy is just as crappy as our democracy, or British monarchy or basically any other regime around the globe) nor do I imply directly or otherwise that I am smarter and certainly not based on political beliefs.

    Quite a straw man fallacy you`ve got going there, by the way.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    @TheOrigin - I don`t think anyone defended the fact that she was kicked or took a knee to the stomach. I`m saying that going into this, what the cops saw was the woman failed to pull over when she had plenty of chances to do so, then she sped up and weaved he way back into traffic. That looked like a pretty dangerous maneuver as she could have caused an accident. When she finally did pull over, given what they just saw, they treated it as a "felony stop" or "high-risk stop" which means her actions led them to believe she was running from something.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    Lol cause macgovernor think that England represent/is all Europe

    The UK represents the vast majority of European users here. That whole everyone speaking English thing.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    @handmadebeat - "ForSquirel/ irunfast86 you both are dumb**s! Not much else to say....oh....maybe...F**k the police!"

    i`m sure you lost a lot of time coming up with that reply. The sheer intelligence held within those quotes is mind boggling.

    please explain why i am a `dumb**s`. The woman ran from the police, careless and wreckless on the highway, came out of her vehicle like she had a nasty intention. I thought police chases were routine nightly news in California. If anything this woman should have known how not to act in a situation like this.

    `oh....maybe...F**k the police!`

    this is perhaps the greatest line ever created. Sorry you had a bad time with an officer when you got busted for doing something obviously illegal. I don`t even need to assume here.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    @whodat: Well yes, I can see your point. I absolutely agree that she was wrong, her driving was hazardous and reckless and she did deserve a fitting punishment.

    But it`s just that I can`t come to terms with this being an adequate response. In these parts, she would get a very heavy ticket, maybe even suspended/revoked license. But not an arrest and most certainly not a one on one with the pavement and the officers boot.

    This may be a difference in background/culture or whatever you wish to call it, but from an outsiders point of view..simply put the way things are done are not understandable.

    Are high risk stops or felony stops so common and dangerous that they warrant actions as displayed? Because that might be the crucial difference.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    @whodat, continued:

    My ex had a father with a short temper. Typical road rage case, he always had to be first and could not tolerate anyone before him. He ended up having a little race with a white van, breaking several rules including speed limit, double lane crossing and many more, example case of reckless and hazardous driving (her dad was and is a nut case and I do mean it).

    Turns out the white van that always caught up with him and tried to block him out was an undercover swat team, they pulled him over, jumped out in full gear (my ex scared out of her mind by then) and...

    And, instead of beating him silly they immediately revoked his license plus a damn heavy fine that went into three digits. No beating, no arrest.

    Also McGovern: it might surprise you, but most of Europe speaks English. At least as a second language, but still. Ah the sweet ignorance.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    TheOrigin usualy they say that citizens in the USA must have all the weapons they want for protection from evilz cops and government but when they see cops doing horrendus things they are all in awe with that....good luck on understand something about what they really want.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    "Are high risk stops or felony stops so common and dangerous that they warrant actions as displayed? Because that might be the crucial difference."

    That`s exactly why they handle them this way. There have been countless routine traffic stops that have turned ugly because they were pulling someone over who had an arrest warrant out or they were otherwise doing something illegal/dangerous. Usually it goes down when they`re pulled over for speeding or something, and the cop doesn`t know yet that the guy`s on the run, or has a trunk full of cocaine or whatever, but the driver assumes they`re being pulled over for that. That`s why they tell her to turn the car off, toss the keys out the window, open the door from the outside keeping their hands in sight and turn around so they`re facing the other way. If she would have done that then none of this would have happened.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    Well that certainly explains a fair share, however sad it may be. Thank you for shedding some light into this for me.

    Although to be honest it is a bit disturbing knowing that incidents are common enough to warrant such precautions and behavior.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    whodat6484 "If she would have done that then none of this would have happened."
    What you say is plausible but sadly YouTube is full of tons of video of police officers that beat the crap out despite the stopped driver accomply to all the request.
    This is not the first case in wich we see some strange behaviour from your police, seems more like a common practice down there to abuse the power.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Oh yeah, I know it`s pretty sad that it`s come to that. There are going to be a$$hole cops no matter where you go, some people let the authority & power trip get to their heads. While there are many videos of police overreacting, there are also plenty of videos of police pulling someone over for running a stop sign and then getting shot or attacked before they even realize what`s happening. That`s why they don`t f*ck around. Here`s one example from Texas.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4907 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    whodat6484 So...would not be better if the bad officers were fired or if they had to pay the consequences of their bad behaviours instead to be protected in any case by the police force and in many case justified also by the civilians?
    Citizens are not perfect and don`t allways have reason but if you see a cop being bad wouldn`t be better to denounce the situation and sayng to be against it instead to allways find an excuse for them?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    Ok, I have sat here and watched thru this video slowly more than once.

    First and foremost there was never any excessive force used at anytime. She tried to avoid being pulled over then was unresponsive to verbal commands. She was taken to the ground with a common takedown technique, nothing more.

    The so called `kick at the 4:17 to 4:20 mark` was not a kick at all. This was also a common technique known as the knee strike to the common peroneal nerve. She was also clearly not completely cuffed at that point and was not cooperating to allow her to be. This technique is used for just that reason and does not do any permanent damage whatsoever. It has been known to make a person feel like their leg is broken but the pain does not last long.

    I know all these things because I trained with all these techniques for years as law enforcement in both the Military and Civilian worlds. The only thing that got her 250k and less charges was her being pregnant.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    @piperfawn - They do, that`s the other reason dashcams are now in cop cars, if they step out of line then it`s on tape and they`re punished. It`s not like the cops on video who are guilty of police brutality get off without being disciplined. In most cases, depending on the severity, they`re either demoted, fired, or some even spend time in prison. If you follow up on the stories and look into the investigations you can find that out.
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    mcssls Female 70 & Over
    695 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    she didn`t follow a legal command, got what she asked for, boo hoo
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 9:24 pm
    djwajda:
    You`e summed it up more completely than I could have! I`d only add that she was not visibly pregnant, so that should be a non-issue. Well said.
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    mytbozak Male 30-39
    489 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm
    Man the cops gotta learn not all people are deranged criminals ready to shoot them. This is why nobody feels safe when cops are around.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    I wouldn`t have given her a penny. Dumb crunt got exactly what she deserved. I have to admit, though, hog-tying her feet was a bit much, but worth $250K.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    February 15, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    Cops need to make split second judgements all the time and this one, it pains me to say, unfortunately made the wrong one. Granted, all signs leading to that point would have led anyone to believe a potentially dangerous situation was about to occur, there was enough "information" available at the end to realize it was safe when he walked up with his partneri to simply hand cuff her. Then they could have ticketed her up for 5-6 traffic violations. And wow that woman was clueless!
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
    1467 posts
    February 16, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    She acted like she was fehking high. So they acted like she was fehking high.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    February 17, 2013 at 7:29 am
    America, it seems to me, is just what Germany or South Africa would have become if they`d got away with their genocide and racism. You have committed genocide twice in your past and never been adequately punished for it (once with the Native Americans, and once with African slaves, ten *million* of whom died in the slave trade). What have you ended up with? Not a comic book version of evil, certainly. Just the mundane, common kind. Where you risk the abuse of those ostensibly paid with your tax money to protect you, for `crimes` like talking on a cell phone and allowing yourself to get a little confused when pregnant and full of hormones. Then you get the truly dumb and wilfully blind Americans like McGovern, whose sole inconsequential observation to every hypocrisy pointed out to him is "at least we don`t have a Royal family". FFS, you couldn`t invent a dumber country with citizens more deserving of the abuse they invite and toletate if you tried.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 18, 2013 at 6:50 am
    And is Scotland still training the oh so wonderful police forces in Maldives? You know, the ones that use torture and sexual assault as a daily practice?
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
    546 posts
    February 18, 2013 at 5:11 pm
    @MacGuffin, I do agree with a lot of the points you make, but you act as if every American is like the way you describe. Some of us do not want to see these injustices and evil, but too many more are controlled by mass media. If we speak up our society has already molded an image for us. Crazy, conspiracy theorists, stupid, ugly or any other way the powered elite choose to paint us. There are those of us who would like to do something, but at the risk of being killed or publicly mocked, it is a very hard thing to do.
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
    2692 posts
    February 19, 2013 at 12:58 am
    Imagine being the wife of one of these disgraces to the badge. I couldn`t stand to be married to such a piece of crap that would slam a passive, pregnant women down on the concrete.
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    ladyObored Female 18-29
    408 posts
    February 20, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    So what if she was high or not, there are better ways to arrest or detain someone. People are not animals and shouldn`t be tied down as such.
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
    354 posts
    February 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    She got just what she deserved. She tried to evade them and refused to pull over or to comply when she finally did. Only thing they did wrong was not tazing her dumb ass.

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