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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    Link: Perception Of Assault Weapons - George Washington would have been a total bad ass with this thing.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Sigh
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    zero percent more deadly? With a scope, stabilising stand, Barrel heat disperser, better grip and bayonet on the end....

    Someone didnt think the pic through very well.
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    Trizz Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    This is just nonsense. This site needs to stay out of politics
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    Lolz! Nice!

    It`s very well thought out @tedgp: If it had those things during the "assault rifle ban" it would be... illegal!
    That`s why it`s a good picture: it points out just how stupid most "gun laws" are.
    Scope on a musket makes it "deadlier"? You`d be better off putting a scope on a boomerang! LMAO!
    There`s a bayonet on the top one too...
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    Stinkytoes Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Sounds like you guys should all use muskets.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    @ Fwoggie2: Sigh
    I second that.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm

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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:16 pm

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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Usually these kind of pics are simply a one sided, over-simplification of the subject. I think this hits the nail on the head. Weather you are for or against gun control measures, I think everyone should agree that ignorance doesn`t help anybody`s cause. It seems those writing proposed gun restrictions know very little about firearms, so they focus on cosmetics...which have little or no effect on performance, which is what this pic is trying to explain
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    "Knew this month was gun month posts. Anyone want to guess what March will be?"

    White history month?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    I fourth the sigh and add a "blah, blah, blah".
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Cat`s have no purpose except to kill. BAN CATS!
    Assault kitty



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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    This is stupid. As tedgp said - that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope, stand, heat disapater - if anything, it`s more accurate at longer ranges.

    If you`re going to make a point, don`t undermine it by being flat wrong.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    lol, Gerry. Dispose of mine as well, the little f#cker has sprayed ammo all over my clothes this weekend.
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    jdavg3 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    Muskets are smooth bore long gun. No more accurate with a scope than without.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    I just finished a one time three hour boating course and took a 75 question test that I need to legally operate my boat. Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners? I know I would feel a lot safer if people were trained on proper storage and handling of guns. I know I feel safer knowing that people are required to learn how to safely navigate around other boats.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Putting a scope on a gun that has no real accuracy past the distance that anybody can already see with the naked eye isn`t much of a help. The heat sinks don`t do any more good than the wood of the original. And as for the stand it`s not like anybody in revolutionary days never steadied their weapon on a fence or a log.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    "Muskets are smooth bore long gun. No more accurate with a scope than without."

    That`s simply illogical. I understand that a musket is smoothbore and inherently inaccurate. But it`s strains reason to that putting a better sight on any sight-aimed weapon won`t make it more accurate.

    That said - this is dumb. I love me my guns and talking about them, but I return to my original point - this is a dumb way to make a point. The better ones are showing semi-auto rifles and comparing them to the AR, and noting both have the same caliber, same barrel length, and same accuracy, but one has a scary look, and one looks like what gramps keeps in the cellar to ward off cyotes. Yes, cyotes is mispelled because that is how grandpa said it, and he didn`t need no red dot to hit one a fifty yards neither,
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    The point has been missed entirely, no -one is calling for the regulation of muskets. Unless you can figure out a way to make a musket fire semi auto, and carry a F--k- tonne of ammunition, own all the muskets you want. hell, I`d even own a musket, And that`s the type of weapon that was around when the second amendment was drafted. If you want to own a military- grade weapon, you should at least be open to licensing, background checks, and any other measures that will help prevent the nut-jobs from committing mass murder with them. I understand that it might be inconvenient, but it`s a small price to pay for your precious weapons, no?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    Are you kidding me? The barrel on a revolutionary war musket was smooth, compared to the rifling grooves in a modern rifle, and it shot balls instead of bullets. Hardly an accurate weapon.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    @spermninja - I don`t see how the AR15 is a military grade weapon. It doesn`t have selective fire capability unless you consider the safety a selective fire switch. If you do want `military grade` weapons you do have to go through background checks, which are already in place and have been for quite sometime now. There are already hoops to be jumped through when purchasing a firearm. Yes, it may seem easy to get one, but everything you mentioned already exists. It`s not the people that follow the laws that are the problem.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:38 pm
    ForSquirrel

    "I don`t see how the AR15 is a military grade weapon"

    Because I can put a 100 round barrel magazine on it and a bump stock and shoot 100 bullets into a crowd in less than 30 seconds. Would it be all that accurate? No. If you are indiscriminately shooting into a densely populated enclosed public area (like a theater) do you need to be all that accurate? No.

    In my opinion no person should need or should have access to that kind of power.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    And in my opinion no government should be so powerful as to deny me the right of access to such power.

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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    For HolyGod

    We DO need that power.

    And if you think we don`t. Then you can enjoy your time in your residential center. People like you that take out of context things that are only TOOLS because of a few crazy people make me sick.

    I can take hatchets and throw them indiscriminately at a crowd of people or in a movie theater. Criminals don`t obey the laws. And if you think that ANYONE is going to protect you in your time of need then you are sadly mistaken my friend. There are plenty of situations that would call for a "military style" -Sidebar(you`re wrong about that by the way buddy, it`s in fact the anti-gun people who coined "assault rifle" before that they were known as Sporting Rifles)--
    Weapon (ar-15, ak47,semi auto rifle)or whatever you want to call it. They are VERY RARE But i ALSO happen to have a fire extinguisher in my house even tho i don`t expect a fire to break out.The 2nd is the most necessary, Don`t forget we founded o
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    @prussia You are wrong about that. Rifling has been around since 1520. The revolutionary war was in the 1700s ....
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    HG - Do you consider a mini 14 as a military grade weapon? semi auto, shoots .223 but no one calls it an assault weapon or military grade.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    @SpermNinja81 - An AR-15 is not a "military grade" weapon. The definition of an "assault rifle" is a rifle that has selective fire capability. That means the selector switch lets you choose either SAFE, SEMI, BURST/AUTO.

    @HolyGod - Bump firing a rifle is NOT the same as fully automatic since technically, you`re still pulling the trigger for each shot.

    Sorry to use facts, actual definitions and sh*t like that, but someone has to do it.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    Yeah, that`s the same.
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    REV666 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    @HolyGod

    heres the thing. yes, you can get a bumpstock and large cap clip and do bad things. but those are specific choices. its like buying a ford mustang and souping it up to race. a simple, semi quick car is now an "assault" vehicle.

    my father in the 90`s went to a gun show and bought an SKS (chinesse AK47) and took it home, fully legal. it was a semi auto, one bullet at a time gun. he then paid ~$100 and ordered FROM A CATALOG a full auto conversion and large capacity mag and spent a whole 15 minutes converting it to F/A. this is the same man who joined the KKK, hated blacks, jews and mexicans, and spent the rest of his life in jail (18 years) for an unrelated crime. of all the guns he owned, he never once used one unlawfully.

    the point is, anyone can modify or acquire a weapon capable to do harm on a great scale. its up to the people owning them to be responsible enough to own, maintain and use them correctly.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    goaliejerry-"that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope"

    The pictured Musket was a smoothbore shooting round ball shot. It was accurate to maybe 50-60 yards. A scope is not going to improve on that.

    goaliejerry-"stand"

    Same as above.

    goaliejerry-"heat disapater"

    You`re firing 1 round every 20 seconds...heat is not an issue.

    goaliejerry-"it`s more accurate at longer ranges"

    This musket was never accurate at any longer range.

    markust123-"Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners?"

    Maybe because to most individuals that do not hold an irrational fear of an inanimate object, a firearm is much less complicated and dangerous than a boat.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    But it`s strains reason to that putting a better sight on any sight-aimed weapon won`t make it more accurate.
    @goalijerry: Modern, mass produced ammunition has caused us to forget how wildly innacurate old-time muskets were.
    Soldier would cast their own shot!
    They`d dump in various quantities of gunpowder!
    It was never certain that ALL the powder would ignite anyhow!

    So putting a scope on a WILDLY innacruate 1776 weapon is 100% USELESS! If 1 shot goes 200 yards, and the next goes 220? What difference does a scope make? You can barely hit a barn at the best of times.

    @HolyGod: I can pull the trigger really fast, does that make ME a "lethal weapon"? :-P

    no person should need or should have access to that kind of power.
    But criminals DO HAVE that kind of firepower! How about YOU take their guns first, eh?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    goaliejerry-"that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope"

    The pictured Musket was a smoothbore shooting round ball shot. It was accurate to maybe 50-60 yards. A scope is not going to improve on that.

    goaliejerry-"stand"

    Same as above.

    goaliejerry-"heat disapater"

    You`re firing 1 round every 20 seconds...heat is not an issue.

    goaliejerry-"it`s more accurate at longer ranges"

    This musket was never accurate at any longer range.

    markust123-"Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners?"

    Maybe because to most individuals that do not hold an irrational fear of an inanimate object, a firearm is much less complicated and dangerous than a boat.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    @5Cats - I say the same thing about being able to shoot accurately, fast & being able to change magazines fast. The magazine issue is pointless because I can drop an empty one, slap a fresh one in there, chamber the first round (all while my sights are still on the target) and keep shooting in less than 2 seconds.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    whodat6484

    "Sorry to use facts, actual definitions and sh*t like that, but someone has to do it."

    Not sure if that was directed at me, but I am well aware of how a bump stock works. I`ve seen it fired in person.

    That doesn`t change the fact that it causes the gun to fire as rapidly as a full auto, even if it technically isn`t.
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    oh... americans.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    whodat6484

    " I say the same thing about being able to shoot accurately, fast & being able to change magazines fast. The magazine issue is pointless because I can drop an empty one, slap a fresh one in there, chamber the first round (all while my sights are still on the target) and keep shooting in less than 2 seconds. "

    Aren`t you former military? You are trained to use a weapon. I don`t have a lot of fear of trained professionals. My fear is punk asses like the f.uckers that have been doing these shootings and they are not trained or accurate and do not have the ability to do what you can do.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    "Maybe because to most individuals that do not hold an irrational fear of an inanimate object, a firearm is much less complicated and dangerous than a boat."

    The unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of your response (to a very reasonable question) tells me that a one time course and test for gun owners is needed more than I thought.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    markust123-"unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of your response "

    There is no comparison between the complexity of a firearm (i.e. very simple with a few parts) and the complexity of a boat (can be fairly to very complex with hundreds, if not thousands of parts).

    And there are many more ways you can be injured and/or killed on a boat than you can with a gun. (let`s see, with a gun you can get shot, drop it on your toe or something go `boom`...with a boat you can drown, be crushed, have limbs ripped off, suffer lacerations and abrasions, break a limb, get burnt, die of asphyxiation, and have the added dangers of tides, waves, wind, shallows, flotsom and things going boom).

    If you are unable to comprehend these simple facts, you`re more ignorant than you appear (which is pretty ignorant).
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    MeGrendel

    "If you are unable to comprehend these simple facts, you`re more ignorant than you appear (which is pretty ignorant). "

    I am 100% certain when I send my 7 year old to school in the morning that he will not die in a boat related incident.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    "If you are unable to comprehend these simple facts, you`re more ignorant than you appear (which is pretty ignorant)."

    Says the guy that had to use my insult (twice) to insult me back.

    Funny, the course I took today on boat safety didn`t go into the thousands of working parts of a boat that you mentioned. It covered how to operate and maintain it safely. Also it went into the dangers of operating it under the influence. How to put it away safely. The correct way not to point it at other people. The same types of things that would be needed in a mandatory gun safety course.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    HolyGod-"I am 100% certain when I send my 7 year old to school in the morning that he will not die in a boat related incident."

    100% Sure?

    From the North Kitsip Herald: "Around 6 p.m. on Nov. 20, 2010, the boat Nilluka was towing came off the trailer and struck Tabafunda’s Jeep Cherokee on the driver’s side. Reports from 2010 said he sustained a significant head injury and was killed instantly."

    And I`m sure the passengers of the Sunset Limited passenger train were 100% certain they weren`t going to be involved in a boat related accident. 47 people died and over 100 were injured when the towBOAT `Mauvilla` damaged the swing-bridge over Big Bayou Canot. I remember this well, as I saw the bodies being unloaded from the barge.

    So, again...100%?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm
    @markust123

    You REALLY need to go to a class on how to learn these common sense things?

    Maybe YOU WOULD need a class on how to not look down the barrel of a gun and pull the trigger, but you`re hardly a representative sample of a sane individual.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    "Maybe YOU WOULD need a class on how to not look down the barrel of a gun and pull the trigger, but you`re hardly a representative sample of a sane individual."

    Little better insult.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm
    "You REALLY need to go to a class on how to learn these common sense things?"

    If you are talking about boat safety yes. For instance you need to know which side of a boat the red and green lights are on so you don`t run into someone in the dark by turning the wrong way. I have to admit I didn`t like being forced to take the class but I learned quite a few things. I think the same thing would happen with many gun owners. They wouldn`t want to take the mandatory course but many would learn how to be safer gun owners. Maybe if the mother of the Sandy Hook shooting had taken a course like that she would have locked up her guns properly so her son couldn`t get at them.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    @markust: I took the boat licence course too! Because my brother owns a boat (a nice one!) and if I ever were to borrow it (I haven`t in 15 years) I`d need a boat licence.

    I have a "motorcycle lisence" too, even though none of my bikes work anymore...

    But there is NO WAY IN HELL I could get an "FAC" or a gun lisence here in Canada.
    (FAC = Firearms Aquisition Certificate. Needed to by guns OR ammo)
    That doesn`t mean I don`t have 3 "restricted" weapons!
    2X "Lakefield" .22 calibers and a .177 air rifle.
    YES! A .177 air rifle is a "restricted weapon" in Canada!

    I own all three legally, so plz don`t call the cops on me! (Grandfather clause eh? I aquired them in a legal way, but did not register them later since I had no FAC and they`d be confiscated immediatly.)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    MeGrendel

    "So, again...100%?"

    I said "when I send my 7 year old to school in the morning". I send him from my car in the school parking lot. SO perhaps I should have said "take". So YES, I am 100% sure. Unless you want to talk about the chances of a boat being dropped out of a cargo plane and crashing into the school.

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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    5Cats, up until Nov 6th I also keep something "restricted" in my house to protect myself... from the occasional boredom.
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    DinVen Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    Sure, he also owned a lot of black people.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:10 pm
    Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners?
    Maybe it`s because the constitution does not specifically guarantee that your right to own a boat shall not be infringed.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    @HG - As far as the bump firing goes, I know we`ve had this conversation before, but I`ll say it again. The AR-15`s and other semi-auto rifles people can legally own are not made to handle that high volume of fire. When you try to put that many rounds through it that fast you`re going to have all kinds of problems with mis-feeding, jamming, overheating & destroying you barrel, the list goes on and on. Even if you throw a 100 round drum on there after the rifle`s been thoroughly cleaned and lubricated there`s a good chance you`ll jam before you empty it. Have you ever seen a round that jammed and cooked off in a barrel before? If not, this is usually what happens.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:12 pm
    "Sure, he also owned a lot of black people."

    Add a magazine, bayonet, stand and a scope and you have yourself an assault slave.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm
    @MeGrendel "And there are many more ways you can be injured and/or killed on a boat than you can with a gun. (let`s see, with a gun you can get shot, drop it on your toe or something go `boom`...with a boat you can drown, be crushed, have limbs ripped off, suffer lacerations and abrasions, break a limb, get burnt, die of asphyxiation, and have the added dangers of tides, waves, wind, shallows, flotsom and things going boom)."

    Shoot to kill, shoot to maim, I can catch myself of the slide as it reloads, I can burn someone with the heated barrel, I can use the butt as blunt weapon to crack a rib, break an arm, cave a skull, I can force someone to eat a bullet and choke to death, I can use a bayonet to inflict lacerations, I can reload and do more second round of damage unlike a boat, the added danger of kids finding them...

    Have I made equally stupid suggestions to you to demonstrate that your average gun is more dangerous then your average boat or do you requ
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    do you require more?
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 5:52 am
    Ollie....Maybe it`s because the constitution does not specifically guarantee that your right to own a boat shall not be infringed.

    Perhaps markust would agree to a mandatory speech class before exercising his 1st amendment rights?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 6:20 am
    Bakcagain21-"Have I made equally stupid suggestions to you to demonstrate that your average gun is more dangerous then your average boat or do you require more?"

    markust123 questioned why he was required to go to class to earn a boating license but not to own a gun.

    I pointed out (correctly) that a boat is many times more complicated than a firearm, and also more dangerous.

    For example: He stated he had to learn (because he did not know) which side of the boat the red & green safetly lights are on so you don`t run into someone. (I`m not making fun of his not knowing. A boating class is an excellent idea if you`ve never spent much time around boats.)

    Last time I checked, none of my firearms require red & green lights to let others know which way it is heading. Nor do I require a live-vest for every person on my gun. Or a flare in case someethign goes wrong with my gun.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:31 am
    DromEd

    "Perhaps markust would agree to a mandatory speech class before exercising his 1st amendment rights?"

    I COMPLETELY agree. Remember where that guy made all those inflammatory comments and 20 kindergarteners died?
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    abrxax Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:35 am
    Per swinestine`s "Assault Weapons Ban" My turkey shotgun will become illegal. It has a adjustable stock so that my wife can shoot it comfortably and accurately without a purchase of a new shotgun with a custom length of pull and comb that fits her arm and neck length. I wish people would take the time to read these bills and understand what they will do.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:42 am
    MeGrendel

    "I pointed out (correctly) that a boat is many times more complicated than a firearm,"

    I would completely agree with that.

    "...and also more dangerous."

    That may be the dumbest thing I`ve ever read on here.

    2010
    672 Boating Related Deaths in America http://tinyurl.com/bggqhod
    31,672 Gun Related Deaths in America http://tinyurl.com/ah8aorr
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:46 am
    Show me the gun that can unleash 50 rounds before the temporary insanity stops and we`ll chat.
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    atreides Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:59 am
    Best...airsoft...weapon...ever
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 8:25 am
    HG..........I COMPLETELY agree. Remember where that guy made all those inflammatory comments and 20 kindergarteners died?

    Bet you feel all smart with that oh so predictable reply don`t you?

    What many fail to comprehend, likely blinded by their understandable desire to not have unnecessary harm come to others, is we don`t have to do anything to exercise our rights because they are absolute.

    I don`t need a federal speech certificate.

    I don`t need special dispensation to keep my home for my use only.

    I don`t need a friend in the judicial system to keep police from searching my home because they just feel like it.

    For your argument to hold water we would need all of these things and you, of course, would not attempt to argue that we do.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 8:39 am
    we don`t have to do anything to exercise our rights because they are absolute.
    On paper they are, in practice they aren`t. Example: if you have a mental illness you can`t own one. Why aren`t you playing a violin for the law-abiding people with mental illness?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 8:57 am
    DromEd

    "Bet you feel all smart with that oh so predictable reply don`t you?"

    Not at all. I feel all smart with my MENSA membership and multiple degrees. However that has nothing to do with this discussion.

    "They are absolute"

    No restrictions whatsoever huh? So then prisoners on death row should have the right to bare arms? How about my 4 year old? Should I send her to school with an AK47? Let`s give uzis to everyone in the mental hospital. I would never want anyone`s rights to be infringed.


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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 9:02 am
    Oh Lord not the mental illness argument. Criminals through fault of their own forfeit certain rights in most societies. The mentally ill through no fault of their own do as well.

    Your sauce is weak.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 9:22 am
    The mentally ill through no fault of their own do as well.

    And that`s written in your constitution where exactly? I guess it`s ok to take their guns as long as nobody wants YOUR guns, right?
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 10:07 am
    I might as well be playing chess with a pigeon.


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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 10:22 am
    DromEd

    "I might as well be playing chess with a pigeon."

    I kinda feel like a pigeon would beat you. Don`t get me wrong, I don`t mean a regular pigeon. I don`t want to be insulting. It would have to be a really smart, well trained pigeon.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 10:49 am
    HolyGod-"That may be the dumbest thing I`ve ever read on here." *post apple-to-oranges data*

    I did not say fewer people were killed with one of the other. I`m talking about inherent danger.

    2/3`rds of the gun deaths are suicide. The majority of the rest is intentional homicides.

    For that SAME year, ACCIDENTAL deaths by firearms was 606 people.

    So, let`s run the numbers, shall we.
    2010: ~200 million privately owned guns result in 606 deaths. Which means exactly 0.0002% of guns resulted in accidental deaths.

    2010: ~13 million privately owned boats result in 672 deaths. Which means exactly 0.0052% of boats resulted in accidental deaths.

    So, if you own a gun and a boat, you`re more likely to be accidentally killed by the boat.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 11:02 am
    MeGrendel

    ""So, if you own a gun and a boat, you`re more likely to be accidentally killed by the boat."

    Cool. I`m with ya there. Not what you said, but now we`re on the same page.

    You just said "more dangerous" which is MUCH more ambiguous and encompassing than just accidents. To me that means to me or my family. If you accidentally shoot yourself with your own gun that doesn`t really concern me.

    You have to admit the statement "a boat is many times more dangerous than a gun" taken as is without your additional context is absolutely retarded.

    My boat is sitting in my garage posing zero threat to anyone.

    My gun is unloaded, with a trigger lock on it, in a safe, which is hidden and I still worry about what could happen if someone got a hold of it that shouldn`t.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 11:51 am
    HolyGod-"To me that means to me or my family. If you accidentally shoot yourself with your own gun that doesn`t really concern me."

    I can understand that. While I consider a boat more complex and dangerous, I am much less worried about a boat in the hands of a lunatic than a gun in the same hand. (though neither is a good thing)

    Not to mention, my boat bites.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    HG....I kinda feel like a pigeon would beat you. Don`t get me wrong, I don`t mean a regular pigeon. I don`t want to be insulting. It would have to be a really smart, well trained pigeon.

    Thanks for proving my point.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    DromEd

    "Thanks for proving my point."

    You had no point. You said all rights in the constitution were "absolute". Then when you were shown that they absolutely are not absolute and there are restrictions you agreed with us while at the same time insulting our sauce. Then you somehow felt you had earned a self congratulatory comment as to your intellectual superiority.

    In fact you had such a non point and were so overwhelmingly smug about it I feel like either IAB somehow deleted your point or you had some sort of seizure which left you with a false memory.

    In either case I am sorry.
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    Boresome Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm
    dang .. i want one ....
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1851 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Wow HG. You`re the one who brought up the specious argument that I would see guns in the hands of crazy people and death row inmates. I thought I could make a case about what a our rights are as spelled out in the Bill of Rights without anybody wanting to nit pick that tiny point. And our founding fathers didn`t add the "unless you`re a violent criminal or insane" clause presumably because they figured people are smart enough to know better.

    So feel good about yourself dude. You kicked over all the pieces, pooped on the board and declared yourself the winner. Just like a pigeon would.

    Have a nice day.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6205 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    DromEd

    "You kicked over all the pieces, pooped on the board and declared yourself the winner. Just like a pigeon would."

    Yes. But I did that after scholars-mating you in 4 moves.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    @MeGrendel, "For example: He stated he had to learn (because he did not know) which side of the boat the red & green safetly lights are on so you don`t run into someone. (I`m not making fun of his not knowing. A boating class is an excellent idea if you`ve never spent much time around boats.)"

    You are such a troll. I never said I didn`t know what side the red and green are on. Here`s what I said,

    "If you are talking about boat safety yes. For instance you need to know which side of a boat the red and green lights are on so you don`t run into someone in the dark by turning the wrong way. I have to admit I didn`t like being forced to take the class but I learned quite a few things..."
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2275 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    I`ll buy 7.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1851 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    ROTFLMFAO. Kasparov would need at least 25 moves to bring the real pressure. I know my stuff.

    Nice try at the insult though.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6205 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    DromEd

    "Nice try at the insult though."

    Did you somehow think I meant we had LITERALLY been playing chess? SO, then you LITERALLY think I`m a pigeon?

    Perhaps you don`t know how this works...
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    February 26, 2013 at 8:37 am
    Ban them both
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    February 26, 2013 at 8:41 am
    And our founding fathers didn`t add the "unless you`re a violent criminal or insane" clause presumably because they figured people are smart enough to know better.
    So now every mental illness qualifies you as "insane"? Sorry, but you can`t hide behind the 2nd Amendment while simultaneously approving the restriction of that right from other law-abiding people just because they were in a mental institution for however long. You can hypothesize your founder`s motives all you want, but if rights are absolute, and they didn`t make provisions to take away those rights under specific circumstances, then you can`t pick and choose which people you think deserve those rights.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36217 posts
    February 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

    But what happens if we ban assault weapons and then we need to assault something? You know, like storming City Hall or the Capital Building or something. Hey, it`s happened before so you never know, we might want to do that again sometime.

    I say, keep them around just in case.
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    comp_wizard Male 18-29
    194 posts
    February 26, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Banning assault weapons is a good idea. Unfortunately, in the US, it`s completely unconstitutional. That`s not likely to change, so we`d best figure out a way to live with it.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 12:33 am
    @MeGrendel You shifted the goal post`s. You were saying which is more dangerous not which causes more harm by accident`s. I agree with you that a gun is a lot less complex then a boat and less likely to malfunction. But on harm done and potential harm done by boats and guns. Gun`s win`s hands down.
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    alltagstod Male 18-29
    30 posts
    March 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    The fact that there is no removable magazine and doesn`t allow for even semiautomatic fire makes neither of those an assault rifle.

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