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67 Responses to Pat Robertson: Islam Is Demonic, Not A Religion

  1. Profile photo of whodat6484
    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    Link: Pat Robertson: Islam Is Demonic, Not A Religion - ``...well, it`s an economic and political system with a religious veneer.``
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    This coming from a guy who believes in magical sky wizards who grant wishes.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Patchouly, the sky wizards never grant wishes. They listen to the prayers, and all they do is laugh. Laugh as each unfulfilled wish leads to failure, heartbreak, and disappointment...
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    People of faith make me laugh.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Ahhh Christians. Their true talent is judging others.
    Every bit as evil, but in a different way, as Muslims (or any other organized religion).

    O.K.....maybe Muslims are a tad bit worse.
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    Langer Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    This coming from a guy who believes in magical sky wizards who grant wishes.

    the same sky wizard*
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    Wow, I submitted this like two weeks ago. Better late than never, I guess!
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    Every one of them religousers is wrong and stupid
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:54 pm
    The documentary "Islam - What the west needs to know" expressed the same view of this "religion of peace". It`s government, a rule of law, wrapped a religion. World dominance is the goal.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    all religion is bullpoo and demonic and a waste of human resources and time and lives...
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm
    Funny he says that, since his religion has a worse track record historically.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm
    Not having religion must make you hate others. I cite my evidence from all the comments made before mine.

    I honestly believe if religion has hurt you all that much, you should seek therapy. This is coming from a therapist, so I am not just saying it to be hurtful. Seriously, get yourselves some help and be well.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Well, this just goes to show that even an
    intolerant, biggoted, homophobic prick can
    get it right once in a while.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:31 pm
    I hear a lot of talk about how the Muslims don`t denounce the extremists, well where is the denouncing from Christians of their extremists?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:34 pm
    "where is the denouncing from Christians of their extremists?"

    You`re a silly little man aren`t you?

    You wants I should denounce which extremest?
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    We can start with the hate mongers in the Westboro Baptist Church.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    "We can start with the hate mongers in the Westboro Baptist Church."

    Sure.. I, like many other Christians, think they are pretty much stupid. I think they will have to face judgement for their actions before the Almighty.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    And there`s a decent amount of hate coming from the religious right toward gays. Aren`t Christian supposed to love EVERYONE ?
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    i vies everything this guy has to say as a satirical joke. at least i try to. knowing deep down he actually believes a lot of the bull poo he says makes me lose faith in man kind, so i try to avoid that and look at it as a joke.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    Random question for Elkingo. Why is it that your almighty allows non-believers such as myself, and many, many others to live perfectly healthy and peaceful lives, but at the same time will decide to give some of his most faithful followers a cruel and painful death. Maybe not death, but even a real pooty situation (homelessness, cancer, death of a loved one). Why would he let his followers suffer before the non-believers. Just curious.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    Kegomatix -- I don`t know. If I had to guess, I would think because God allows us to be tested (like in Job). If you aren`t a believer, why worry with messing with you? The biggest test of faith is hardship.

    Just a guess though, I don`t have all the answers.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm
    lt633c - Some of my best friends are gay. Some of them are Christian. I don`t have any need to judge them. I simply love them as my friends.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    I got to live up to the stereotype though, right?

    I want you all to open up, I have miniature bibles to shove in your mouths. Lol.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Just for the record, I think Pat is a dick.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    I wasn`t talking about YOU. The conversation was about religions stepping up against their own extremists. Then there`s certain religions that won`t allow marriages for divorced people, but a prostitute with 50 kids from different fathers is welcome. Very selective in their love and acceptance. And the rest of the good Christians don`t say anything about the one`s doing the hating. That`s my point.
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    sonofd Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 10:02 pm
    This man is an idiot. The world will be a better place after he dies.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:06 am
    Islam, the religion, is a veneer. Islam the political and economic system holds the real power. So called `Moderate Muslims` might say that terrorists are bad, they`ll not say that sharia law is bad in anyway. Sharia is the backbone of their culture and the koran. Many muslims go through the rituals, not really believing in all of the `religion`, but they wholeheartedly believe in sharia regardless.

    That is why there are so many honor killings. A family member is attracted to a secular lifestyle and their relatives kill them believing they are doing the right thing, according to sharia law, to save their family`s honor. These killers truly do not believe they are guilty of murder, not because of religion, but because they are indoctrinated into sharia law.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:06 am
    I`d like to know why it`s acceptable to say you believe in God and everyone`s cool with it for the most part. Then someone says they believe in aliens, ufo`s, unicorns, leprechauns, the flying spaghetti monster, etc and the first thing you do is question that persons sanity. They`re all basically the same sh*t, but one is socially acceptable and the other is not.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:19 am
    That`s not to say that there aren`t any religious extremists in islam, there are quite a lot. the religious extremists are the ones strapping bombs to themselves and their children. They are also the ones shouting `allah akbar` and carrying signs calling for beheading infidels.

    There are few `secular muslims`, they aren`t very vocal, they remain low-key so that they don`t become targets themselves. They know people like themselves have historically been killed just for associating with Jews and Christians.
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    earplay Male 60-69
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    February 24, 2013 at 4:30 am
    "This man is an idiot. The world will be a better place after he dies."

    Another will be found to take his place.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:33 am
    It`s not even a religion. It`s a totalitarian political system that ties the hands and blindfolds gays and hangs them from cranes when they runout of roofs to throw them off of.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:52 am
    lt633c - "I wasn`t talking about YOU..."

    I know, and I appreciate that. I guess the point I was trying to make is that all Christians aren`t passive and some of us do step up to extremism. There are a lot of good people out there that are good to people.

    The gist of the statements made that bother me are statements like this:

    "all religion is bullpoo and demonic and a waste of human resources and time and lives"

    "Every one of them religousers is wrong and stupid"

    "Ahhh Christians. Their true talent is judging others.
    Every bit as evil"

    "People of faith make me laugh."

    "his coming from a guy who believes in magical sky wizards who grant wishes."


    Statements like these do include me. They are dismissive and rude. They are also ridiculously useless. I think people with that much hurt towards religion; that they lash out at a collective whole need psy
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:53 am
    (Cont)

    ... need psychological help. There is something just not right with them. I worry for them, and the impact they might have on society. Carrying around that much hate and detest has to be doing harm to their mental state.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:57 am
    whodat6484 - "I`d like to know why it`s acceptable to say you believe in God and everyone`s cool with it for the most part. Then someone says they believe in aliens, ufo`s, unicorns, leprechauns, the flying spaghetti monster, etc and the first thing you do is question that persons sanity. They`re all basically the same sh*t, but one is socially acceptable and the other is not."

    Sit real still while you are talking.. it will make it easier for me to shove a miniature bible down your neck.
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    Wayoldman Male 50-59
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:30 am
    This coming from a so called minister that applies slave labor in his South African diamond mines.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:40 am
    "I don`t know. If I had to guess, I would think because God allows us to be tested (like in Job). "If you aren`t a believer, why worry with messing with you? The biggest test of faith is hardship.

    Just a guess though, I don`t have all the answers."

    If that were true, I`d hate to be a follower of that religion.. Maybe I should start making my kids lives extremely difficult, just to see if they still love me afterward.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
    143 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 8:42 am
    "Sit real still while you are talking.. it will make it easier for me to shove a miniature bible down your neck. "

    That`s twice you`ve used that expression. Just because someone doesn`t agree with you, they need religion forced on them ? And they need psychological help ? The majority of non believers I know are VERY good to people and are some of the most well adjusted folks I know. As a therapist, have you not run into patients that are a mess, because of their strict religious upbringing ? I have.


    Your points have not been hateful, I give you that. It`s always appreciated. However, suggesting that non-believers that don`t agree with your philosophy need help is a bit much. Do Christians that say rude and disrespectful things to non-believers need help ?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:53 am
    lt633c - "That`s twice you`ve used that expression."

    Its sarcasm.

    However, I do feel they should seek help if they are so bothered by a religion that they feel the need to insult others. It has nothing to do with their religious beliefs, or lack there of.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:53 am
    "The majority of non believers I know are VERY good to people and are some of the most well adjusted folks I know."

    Yeah, me too.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:57 am
    "Do Christians that say rude and disrespectful things to non-believers need help ?"

    Absolutely.

    My point is there is that it is maladaptive to feel a need to insult others based on spiritual beliefs. If one has a need to go through life like that, then they are miserable. Therapists can help with that.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 8:58 am
    "As a therapist, have you not run into patients that are a mess, because of their strict religious upbringing ?"

    Loads of them. Lol.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:02 am
    "If that were true, I`d hate to be a follower of that religion.. Maybe I should start making my kids lives extremely difficult, just to see if they still love me afterward."

    For myself, and I have faced quite a few hardships, I look at it as the rewards outweigh the consequences of the journey of life. The philosophical beliefs that are part of my code I call religion lead me to be at peace and content with life -- because it is temporary. Suffering in life is nothing more than part of life. It rains on the just and the unjust. People who are non-religious have just as many bad things happen to them. My religion never promised me that I wouldn`t experience bad things in life. I would hate to think God had to be at my beck and call for every thing in life simply for me to believe He exists.

    Sure, I get frustrated at times. I have experienced painful losses, and I live with chronic kidney stone disease and osteoarthritis. However, I love life. It is a blessin
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:03 am
    (cont)

    It is a blessing to me. It is also temporary.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 9:20 am
    @elkingo, "My point is that it is maladaptive to feel a need to insult others based on spiritual beliefs. If one has a need to go through life like that, then they are miserable. Therapists can help with that."

    Last night I made a pretty simple observation about the hypocrisy of Christian leaders. This was based on the hateful statements the speaker in the video has made in the past, "I hear a lot of talk about how the Muslims don`t denounce the extremists, well where is the denouncing from Christians of their extremists?"

    Your immediate response to me was a knee jerk insult. Not a harsh one but it still was an insult, "You`re a silly little man aren`t you?" You found the need to insult me based on your spiritual beliefs. According to you you`re miserable and need a therapist.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 11:18 am
    markust: You`ve demonstrated your own hypocrisies in the past here. So pot meet kettle.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    @elkingo - Sarcasm or not, if you tried to shove a bible down my throat it`s the last thing you`d ever do. I don`t care who or what you believe in, that`s your choice and I respect that. All of you jesus freaks need to learn to respect others who either choose to believe in something different or not anything at all. You all say Atheists are the cause of these problems between believers & non-believers but that`s not the case. The problem is, in fact, caused by people like you.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    "Last night I made a pretty simple observation about the hypocrisy of Christian leaders."

    No, you did not. You made a statement that blankets all Christians. Go re-read what you posted again. Your statement was inflammatory, and silly. If I hadn`t have pointed that out, you would have been done with the conversation.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 24, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    This guy again?

    He needs to pull the stick out of his a$$ and get out more. Maybe go visit those churches who fast alongside mosques during Ramadan as an ecumenical act of solidarity. Go admire the architecture of the famous Blue mosque, or get lost in the mystic/romantic poetry of Hafiz and Rumi. Perhaps have a delicious traditional lamb dish with dates and pomegranates...

    Yes I know it won`t happen, but a gal can dream right?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    whodat6484 -

    Lmao.. seriously?

    Do I have to explain sarcasm?

    Asking people to "sit still while I shove a miniature bible down their mouths" is a play on the attitude they have about people "shoving religion down my throats". Statements have been made that blankets every single format of Christianity, and every single Christian. However, I have not tried to force religious beliefs on anyone.

    Seriously, it is only sarcasm.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    "You`ve demonstrated your own hypocrisies in the past here. So pot meet kettle."

    I think you will find when I am attacking religion it is because some religious leader is being bigoted and hateful towards gay people. Sorry, but you can`t be a victim if you strike first. Although the extremists that are pushing hate sure are trying hard to pretend they are the victims. If I have ever just attacked religion just to attack religion I apologize. I have stated in the past that I don`t personally believe in organized religion. Although I am just talking about my own beliefs I can see how that could be insulting.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    "No, you did not. You made a statement that blankets all Christians. Go re-read what you posted again. Your statement was inflammatory, and silly. If I hadn`t have pointed that out, you would have been done with the conversation."

    How is this inflammatory? "I hear a lot of talk about how the Muslims don`t denounce the extremists, well where is the denouncing from Christians of their extremists?" I read and hear a lot of hate coming from religious leaders. I could count on one hand the number of times I remember Christians denouncing these people (Not talking about the Westboro Baptist Church. I`m talking about the everyday hate spewed from certain respected preachers). All I was doing was speaking about what I see.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    @elkingo - "Do I have to explain sarcasm?"

    The first three words of the first sentence are "Sarcasm or not" meaning, no, you don`t have to explain sarcasm.

    I like how your response to my first comment was sarcasm and you never touched on the point I was making begin with. You believe that there`s an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do, judges you based on your actions and you can communicate with him telepathically. There has never been proof that this man exists, yet you choose to believe it and see no flaw in that kind of logic. If I told you I believed in the flying spaghetti monster, of which I have absolutely no proof of his existence, you`d tell me I was batsh*t crazy.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    I`ll use logic, similar to what theists use as proof god exists, to show you why the flying spaghetti monster exists...

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    whodat6484 -- Show me ONE time I ever tried to convert you or anyone else. Show me ONE time I disrespected your beliefs.

    Hince the sarcasm.

    Now, sit real still and I will shove a miniature bible down your throat.

    Get it now?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    "Show me ONE time I disrespected your beliefs."

    When you made that sarcastic comment on a legitimate question that I asked. The question was why people accept the notion that, even though there`s no proof, god exists and don`t label someone who believes that story as crazy. Then, if someone says they believe in the flying spaghetti monster because the planets are shaped like giant meatballs, chances are that you and your theist pals will immediately label that person as crazy.

    Yes, the question was laced with humor, but you still chose to not answer it and make a sarcastic comment. Therefore, you disrespected my belief in the flying spaghetti monster.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    whodat6484 - You are impossible.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 7:46 pm
    I`m still waiting for an apology...
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    February 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm
    Given how much of our politics here in the U.S. is determined by religious ideals, I`d say we`re getting closer and closer to the same level as Islam. Against your religious ideals for gays to be married? That`s fine, so long as you only care whether or not your church is sanctioning it. The same goes for hospitals and schools. If it isn`t a church, but an organization created to provide a different service, it is not a church, and should not be afforded the same exemptions.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 4:38 am
    markust123 - If you were doing that, you should have said so, and not made a statement that blankets every Christian.

    I do denounce them. Most of the Christians I know do. I accept gay people atheists. It isn`t my place to judge. I have wide cultural variety in my circle, and I know a lot of other Christians the same way.

    We aren`t all 700 club members. We aren`t all out to get you or take away your rights. Most of us will help you with whatever you need.

    I am sorry if I offended you, but my point is should shouldn`t be so obtuse towards all of us.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5471 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 4:43 am
    whodat6484 -

    You know I do see your point. Your just so defensive that you aren`t seeing mine. I don`t label people as crazy for spiritual beliefs. I actually find variance healthy and interesting. If you honestly do have faith in the FSM, I would love for you to tell me about it some time.

    However, I honestly feel like if you are so enraged at Christians all the time that you feel you must lash out, you do need help. I feel the same way for people of any faith that that feels the constant nagging sense of frustration and anger that they should lash out at "opposing" faiths.

    I do apologize if I offended you making that point, because it is a waste of your and my time. Let us try to be constructive in our discussions.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2013 at 5:59 am
    Pat is a religious zealot.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:37 am
    I think people with that much hurt towards religion; that they lash out at a collective whole...need psychological help. There is something just not right with them.
    I happen to think that religious people need psychological help; you`re obviously delusional after all.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 7:45 am
    Show me ONE time I ever tried to convert you or anyone else
    This reminded me of a few days ago: I was enjoying my weekend and then my doorbell rings and there are several loud pounds on the door. I answer the door and there`s someone there who offered to scrape snow off my walkway, but even he admitted there wasn`t much to scrape. I declined his offer, and he said "Ok, Jesus loves you."

    That didn`t really bother me, I just said `whatever` and closed the door. The part that really pissed me off though, was that as he was leaving, he stopped in the middle of my walkway and wrote "Jesus loves you" in the snowbank beside my walkway with the handle of his shovel. What the f*ck? I`ve never heard of an atheist writing "religion is evil" or somesuch on a stranger`s property.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2013 at 10:18 am
    @elkingo - "if you are so enraged at Christians all the time that you feel you must lash out, you do need help"

    All I did was pose a simple question, there was no hate, anger or malice fueling that. It was a just a question, much like your sarcasm that you said was just sarcasm. Get it?

    On a serious note, if you`d like to learn more about the FSM then you must be willing to accept him in all of his noodly glory. You must be fully committed to the way of the Pastafarian, my friend, there`s no half-assing it like many of today`s Christians do in their beliefs. You will know when you`re ready, when that day comes I will happily guide you on your road enlightenment.
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    h4krChik Female 40-49
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    February 25, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Funny, sounds like he`s talking about US Christianity.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Pat is an ass-hat! (hmmm, that might make a good t-shirt)

    What he says could be said of any organized religion. ALL were created and are maintained solely for power, to influence and control masses of people. Anyone who believes in an all-powerful deity is just another mark for the ultimate long-con.
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    liabach Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm
    am i wrong, but don`t demons come from religions?

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