Know Your Rights - Law Student Schools Police

Submitted by: CrakrJak 4 years ago in

Police in Portland, Maine harass a law school student for legally carrying:
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Male 427
"So if I call the police on you because I, well lets just say I saw you walking down the street, they should arrive and ask for your papers? "
If they think it might be a public safety issue then yes. I doubt they`d respond just because someone is walking down the street, but if they do I`ll show them my ID with no problem. It takes 5 seconds to pull out my wallet and take out my citizen card. Unlike you I`m not retarded enough to spend 5 minutes arguing with a police officer when I can resolve the problem in 5 seconds.
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Male 645
>>>i don`t know about where you live. but here cops get away with pulling over old beatup cars becuse they are more likely not to have car insurance. <<<

Perhaps they "get away with it" not because it is legal but because people are not driving around in beat up cars with video cameras looking to get stopped so they can film the cops breaking the law.

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Male 3,612
@dang007
i don`t know about where you live. but here cops get away with pulling over old beatup cars becuse they are more likely not to have car insurance.
so "suspected for illegal possession" flys in colorado
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Male 645
>>>>"suspected for illegal possession of a firearm"<<<

but simply having a firearm is no more a reason to suspect illegal possession than driving a car is reason to suspect it was stolen.

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Male 3,612
stupid cop. he should have said
"suspected for illegal possession of a firearm"
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Male 645
>>>Don`t be stupid, this was not a random occurance. This douche fabricated a situation where he could confront a cop and try to shame him and make him look the fool. This wasn`t a random citizen getting harassed, this was a guy trying to start something for 15 minutes of internet fame. He should be flogged and sent on his way.<<

That`s right police never violate the rights of citizens. Move along this guy deserved what ever happens to him.

Or perhaps police should be more knowledgeable with regards to the laws they are enforcing and then this guy would have nothing on tape worth your ire....
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Male 820
Don`t be stupid, this was not a random occurance. This douche fabricated a situation where he could confront a cop and try to shame him and make him look the fool. This wasn`t a random citizen getting harassed, this was a guy trying to start something for 15 minutes of internet fame. He should be flogged and sent on his way.
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Male 645
>>>There`s a difference between the law ... and being a total f*cktard jackass.<<<

There I agree with you. However, there is a need for the proverbial Canary in a coal mine. They may sing to the point of aggravation, but the real trouble starts when they are silent.
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Male 417
There`s a difference between the law ... and being a total f*cktard jackass.
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Male 645
>>>Yes, if they think you might commit one. The moment someone fears for their safety and calls the police then it`s their job to ascertain everything is ok and ensure everyone`s safety. The cop asked something pretty reasonable, if you go to such length to conceal who you are when openly carrying a gun then there`s clearly a reason to suspect you.<<<

So if I call the police on you because I, well lets just say I saw you walking down the street, they should arrive and ask for your papers?

And if you are not doing anything wrong it is no big deal right. I mean that`s exactly what is done by Israel with their checkpoints in the west bank right. Just checking your papers.

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”


― Benjamin Franklin
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Male 936
the amount of brainwashed retards in this thread is astounding. look at everyone defending the police (who where in the wrong) and chastising the guy who knew more about the law than the cops harassing him did. Pathetic when you think about it.
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Male 427
Sorry for judging then. It seems that in our countries the police serve different purposes.
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Male 2,988
@Flashpacker: "DOuchebag. just answer the cops questions. you`re carrying a deadly piece of machinery, which in the wrong hands, can lead to a drating tragedy."

at first i thought you were talking about a car, forklift, powertool. something on those lines. and having one "in public `should` cause suspicion and fear. taze first and ask questions later". i completely agree and hope that they start doing that to everybody! that would turn out swell! again though, talking about anyone "carrying a deadly piece of machinery, which in the wrong hands, can lead to a drating tragedy"
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Male 884
Carrying that gun openly is not illegal, in many places concealing it (or attempting to) would be and would be grounds for suspicion. Were he off to commit a crime, he`d hardly be walking down the road carrying a rifle in plain sight. I can see him now calmly walking into a bank with a rifle slung over his shoulder.

Taking his gun is against the law, particularly as he overtly refused to consent.

Also @Canoas

"Should the police be able to stop you if they do not suspect you of committing a crime? "
Yes, if they think you might commit one.

If they think..? I know a lot of black kids who get stopped for that one.
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Male 335
thing wrong with America".
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Male 335
The police are the enforcement end of the american injustice system. That system is big business here - there is a lot of money to be made - its an enture industry. Its the modern-day version of slavery (yes, you can quote me on that). Legislators make just about everything illegal. The police arrest you for it. If you can`t afford bail and a lawyer you go to jail. Almost 1 million people are employed by the prison industry....many many billions/year. And don`t forget the free labor of the incarcerated.

In america "One out of 32 is on probation, parole or in prison" 1

American Injustice System

So, ya, "there`s really som
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Male 68
Privacy is not a reason for suspicion. I`m sorry you`ve lived in a monarchy for so long that you do not respect freedom but we do. The dude was in the right and the cop was in the wrong. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

The police ARE NOT there to protect you. THE POLICE DO NOT PROTECT. Their job is to apprehend criminals. They are not your body guards, they are not their to help. They are there to keep you in compliance of the law. This means they also need to know the law.

The correct action would be for the police to IGNORE the caller and inform the caller of the LAW. Maybe observe but do not contact the law abiding citizen.
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Male 427
"Should the police be able to stop you if they do not suspect you of committing a crime? "
Yes, if they think you might commit one. The moment someone fears for their safety and calls the police then it`s their job to ascertain everything is ok and ensure everyone`s safety. The cop asked something pretty reasonable, if you go to such length to conceal who you are when openly carrying a gun then there`s clearly a reason to suspect you.
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Male 645
>>>So you can openly carry a weapon as long as you have a permit but a cop can`t check if you have a permit? Really? Doesn`t that present problems?<<<<

No. Should the police be able to stop you if they do not suspect you of committing a crime?
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Male 7,123
So you can openly carry a weapon as long as you have a permit but a cop can`t check if you have a permit? Really? Doesn`t that present problems?
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Male 427
Also, there`s really something wrong with America. You guys don`t trust your police at all, it`s no wonder they don`t trust civilians either. Over here if a cop asks you something reasonable, whether or not the law is on his side, you do it. There`s simply no reason not to. His job is to protect you, let him do his job instead of questioning him pointlessly. Who the drat cares if you HAVE to show him your ID or not?

That dude must be really great at parties.
"Hey, can you bring a beer for me as well?"
"Sorry, the law doesn`t say I have to."
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Male 427
So he`d rather spend 5 mins arguing with the officer instead of showing his ID? Sounds like he`s an idiot.
It doesn`t matter who`s right, the cop is trying to maintain peace and made a pretty reasonable request, what`s the harm?
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Male 379
@LegosFTW
I definitely agree, and that was well put, but the problem I have, as i have seen in many police officers, is that when it becomes clear that both the officer and the civilian have an understanding of the situation and, more importantly, the law, the officer still continues to press the situation and ask for ID etc, etc. That is nothing more than an assertion of force, and I believe it deserves condemnation and criticism of the highest level. He could have simply, restrained the weapon, told him the situation, gave his gun back and went about his business. problem solved. if he was a criminal, he sure as drat isn`t going to stick around anymore, and if he is a law abiding citizen, the situation is handled without infringing on rights and no respectable gun owner would have a problem with it. but no... he had to press and press... thankfully this guy knew the law better than the officer, which is stupid.
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Male 6,639
The guy filming was a douche but so was the cop. The police officer should have just observed first. Knowing the law and using the law shouldn`t be frowned upon.
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Male 69
While I agree that the man with the gun was doing nothing illegal, and should have been allowed to go about his business, I disagree with how he handled the situation. As a gun owner, you have to acknowledge that you are holding something that can take a life, and while you may be comforted by this, it can make people less comfortable with firearms uneasy. The best thing to do would have been to make the officer aware that you know the law, and that there is nothing wrong with what you`re doing, but give him the courtesy of listening to him. Think about the person that made the report, they were obviously uncomfortable with him walking around with a pistol, so they went to the police. What if the cop simply dismissed their concern and kept going? Thats not effective policing. Sometimes you have to address a situation just to make the rest of the public aware that you are "Doing your job", even if its outside of the written law.
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Male 2,160
in short you approve of a police state where everyone is presumed guilty and all must be controlled.
you sir are a symbol of everything that is wrong on the european continent that we call home.
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Male 707
DOuchebag. just answer the cops questions. you`re carrying a deadly piece of machinery, which in the wrong hands, can lead to a drating tragedy. You got too many weirdos, `murica.. and too many guns. a guy with a gun in public `should` cause suspicion and fear. taze first and ask questions later, coppers.. I approve
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Male 75
And Why do all these mass shooting always happen in "GUN FREE ZONES"?
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Male 75
I`ll even take you to the range. And yes, The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Look at the Oregon mall shooting. Good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun without firing a single shot. He saw the gun and killed himself. Link
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Male 2,160
i like the other law most people seem to wish to have abolished in their sheep-minded ravings: innocent until proven guilty.
perhaps try applying this to your pro ban logic or to arguments saying just because something is legal you shouldn`t do it or that he`s an ass or whatever.

did he do it on purpose? yes. does it make him a "douche" or "dangerous" or "criminal"? no. does he have to prove his innocence or otherwise face arrest? no. why? because of that one little legal bit that exists in quite a few western societies.

for all your safety concerns, it seems a good deal of you would happily cheer at bringing the inquisition back as well.
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Male 75
This is why I conceal carry. No stupid people calling the cops every 30 seconds. If one actually take`s the time to learn the laws. Per VA common law: Deadly force and can only be used when you life is in danger or threat of grevious bodily harm. What that means is fists can be repelled with fists. No deadly force. Threats? no don`t even pull you gun. Knife? yes. Baseball bat, pipe or other weapon. Yes. So...I`m walking down the street. I accidentally bump into someone and spill their coffee. I have a moral and legal duty to try and prevent the situation from escalating into anything more and deadly force is absolutely the last resort. When outside you home you have a legal responsibility to retreat from attack. Go to USAsarry.com to learn more.

The truth is that the majority of gun owners are law abiding people. The media portrays us as nuts and cooks. I will gladly take the time to educate anyone who wants to learn about firearms and their safe use.
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Male 181
I suppose having a gun at home to protect from burglars or something makes sense. But walking around on the street with a gun is just stupid. If you are that scared to go out, just stay in.
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Male 1,950
And oh, how the times have changed... In ten years, this will be like smoking in an airport.
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Male 214
carmium - 100% right.
And I don`t care what any of you merican gun lovers say. Allowing citizens to walk around carrying guns like they`re in the wild f`n west is plain stupid. You carry on assuming 100% of your population is mentally stable - some hill-billy behind the kmart counter is supposed to make that assessment?
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Male 5,811
If this guy was walking around with a rifle, then he`s just attention-whoring. Nothing to see here.
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Female 6,381
I kinda think he was walking down the street with his gun and video cam trolling for a police stop just so he could make this vid.
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Male 314
How come whenever you see one of these videos the person filming always sounds like a douche? You never see them trying to have a civil conversation with the police officer.
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Male 10,339
"a gun is a thing that kills people"

No. A gun is a thing that people use to kill people. A gun by itself kills nothing.

"far more often do we hear about high school shootings than we do about a hero who saved the day with a gun."

One of those news stories garners more ratings than the other. Can you guess which?

There were 11,000 deaths by gun in the USA in 2010. How many times do you think a gun protected someone in that year? Some say 10 times that amount.
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Male 15,832
robthelurker
Male, 18-29, >>>>> Canada <<<<<

[quote]wait wait wait wait. how do they know he is legally carrying? that weapon needs to be registered to him doesnt it? in order for the police to know that weapon is his they need to know who he is right??? people cant just walk around with guns with out proof the guns belong to them right?[/quote]
This, my friends is a perfect illustration of the difference between a citizen and a subject.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Law in NY......he`d have to produce his pistol permit.[/quote]
He was carrying a rifle.
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Male 143
djwajda - "All he did by his actions is show what an attention seeking dick he is. At no time did that cop harass him. He was not `protecting his rights`, he was just being a smartarse.
Of course had he walked further down the street and shot someone you`d all be whining that the police didn`t do their job."

Exactly. Well said.
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Male 4,893

robthelurker scores a perfect trifecta of stupidness!
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Male 143
Law in NY......he`d have to produce his pistol permit. No permit, off to jail. Permit, see ya later. This kid was an officious little turd.
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Male 2,436
That cop got schooled... and so did FoolsPrussia.
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Male 17,512
"You were lucky enough to not be born in Nazi Germany. Act like it."

Best remark so far.
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Male 33
If a person of color did that. She or he`s ass would be handcuffed and sent to the pokey
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Male 71
RE: FoolsPrussia
As citizens of a free country, we are not only entitled to stand up for our rights, we are obligated to do so. Regardless if it makes the cop, or anyone else for that matter, thinks I`m being an uncooperative jerk, I will not comply with someone who is violating my rights. Plain and simple. Doing so is inviting oppression. You were lucky enough to not be born in Nazi Germany. Act like it.
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Male 3,445
I`m getting a little tired of people making videos in an attempt to incite cop anger. I don`t know the law where this happened, but why couldn`t he have put the camera down and just simply shown him his license? The cop didn`t seem to be overly aggressive at all and was just responding to citizen complaints.
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Male 1,745
Yeah this was done in a kind of provocative way, but it`s kind of necessary in this day and age because gun rights are under full assault. The population in general doesn`t know their rights to carry which means bills prohibiting it pass easily.
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Male 625
@djwadja - Totally agree.
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Male 3,436
@auburnjunky "A guy with a gun does not = scary time."
history and common sense disagree with you. a gun is a thing that kills people, that is why it was created, a more efficient way to end life than the sword. some one with a thing that was meant to kill people = scary time. the person may have no harmful intent, but how does anyone else know that? far more often do we hear about high school shootings than we do about a hero who saved the day with a gun.
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Male 3,436
wait wait wait wait. how do they know he is legally carrying? that weapon needs to be registered to him doesnt it? in order for the police to know that weapon is his they need to know who he is right??? people cant just walk around with guns with out proof the guns belong to them right?????????????
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Male 3,436
is this guy insane? who walks down a street with a gun clearly visible? there is something called common sense, just because something isnt illegal doesnt mean you should do it. i dont know anything about gun laws, but if you are legally allowed to carry a gun then it should be concealed.
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Female 4,359
yessssssssssssss
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Male 1,292
dratin dickhead, sure it may be legal, but you don`t have to be such a damn douche
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Male 1,292
thank you djwajda
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Male 1,252
Another dick head trying to f*** the police. So hes carrying a loaded gun, gets asked about it...and he pulls a `you cant talk to me unless i want you to` bull.... If/as a cop I certainly wouldnt feel bad about stopping for a donut if this guy called in for police services.
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Male 2,440
Bicycle rights!- Whoops, sorry. Wrong Portland.
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Male 883
All he did by his actions is show what an attention seeking dick he is. At no time did that cop harass him. He was not `protecting his rights`, he was just being a smartarse.

Of course had he walked further down the street and shot someone you`d all be whining that the police didn`t do their job.
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Male 554
doesn`t matter if he was trolling or not ya phuktards... he set out to make a point, and succeeded. he wins

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Male 260
Good for him exercising his rights and putting that cop in his place.
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Male 2,758
A person does have a right to be a chickensht and call the cops if they see someone with a gun, and the cops should check that out. However, their first action should be to OBSERVE- and admittedly this would entail they actually think and assess a situation- to see if they really need to make contact with an individual.
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Female 2,027
americaaaannssssssssssssss
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Male 1,471
Hmm.. let`s see..

Read up on all the laws and precedent cases, "just in case". [check]
Walking around on the street flashing his gun. [check]
Films the inevitable encounter with the police. [check]
Puts said video on Youtube, in the hopes of generate thousands of views.[check]

Yeah, i`m pretty sure he was hoping the police would show up. In other words he`s wasting taxpayer money to get attention on the internet. What a hero.
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Male 1
I never bother to comment on a post, but this lame piece of poo pissed me off. I have a serious problem with police abusing their power, but that was hardly harassing. If people make calls saying they`re concerned about some guy walking around with a gun, they`re obligated to at least check it out. Whoever recorded this is just a punk with a lawbook up his ass looking to antagonize the police.
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Male 38,467

He just did that to irritate the cops and video it.
Police Trolling rarely works out in your favor.

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Male 10,339
Boom!

That said, I understand why the cops were doing what they were doing, BUT the dude was right.

I blame the twitchy person who called them. A guy with a gun does not = scary time.
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Male 17,512
Link: Know Your Rights - Law Student Schools Police [Rate Link] - Police in Portland, Maine harass a law school student for legally carrying:
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