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40 Responses to Gun Control: A Victim`s Perspective

  1. Profile photo of MrPeabody
    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm
    Link: Gun Control: A Victim`s Perspective - Victim of a mass shooting tells her story.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    February 28, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    yep
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm

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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Your logical fallacy is....
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 28, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    Right on!
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Victims have a tendency to react emotionally, to find someone to blame and demand that changes be made. Changes that affect everybody, usually in the form of more laws and restrictions. This lady wasn`t doing those things. She doesn`t want the world to protect her, just the RIGHT to protect her self. There is a real woman.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    February 28, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    DrProfessor: Personal stories like hers outweigh any stories to the contrary.

    Criminals don`t care about gun laws, except that it helps them commit their crimes upon unarmed law abiding citizens.

    Want solid proof? Check the FBI crime statistics. Since the last `assault weapon` ban expired, crime has steadily decreased. The exceptions being in `gun free zones`, where violent crime has skyrocketed.

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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    February 28, 2013 at 8:22 pm
    Can I get a drat yeah?
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    heat of the moment is all it takes...so few people have the fortitude to control themselves that i still think there should be atvery least a degreeof control and regulation. Must be visible, holstered/bagged, cleared chamber and permit/fac on person at all time while in possession in public areas..and yes...you must produce it when questioned by authorities. For all the stabbings in my neck of the woods its safe to assume there would be as many shootings if firearms were readily available...telling everyone to carry a knife seems like a pretty silly solution.
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    casidhe Female 40-49
    62 posts
    February 28, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    Her opinion is not fact.It is just her opinion. The burden of proof must come from facts and those facts speak loud and clear....Firearms were used to kill 30,143 people in the United States in 2005, the most recent year with complete data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.1 A total of 17,002 of these were suicides, 12,352 homicides, and 789 accidental firearm deaths. Nearly half of these deaths occurred in people under the age of 35. When we consider that there were also nearly 70,000 non-fatal injuries from firearms, we are left with the staggering fact that 100,000 men, women, and children were killed or wounded by firearms in the span of just one year.....enough said !
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    wtf are you talking about casidhe? Firstly, starting your rant about how guns are evil, you cite suicides as part of a complete picture on how they`re evil. They`re suicides, the method used doesn`t matter. Secondly, what EXACT opinion did this woman give that was clearly an opinion, and not a fact? She specified what the 2nd amendment is, a FACT. She specified why she didn`t and couldn`t carry her gun in her purse that day, a FACT. She specified the reason she, a law abiding citizen, had to lose her parents that day, a FACT. She finally specified who it was SHE blamed for that, a FACT.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    February 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Want solid proof? Check the FBI crime statistics. Since the last `assault weapon` ban expired, crime has steadily decreased.

    Solid proof? LMAO! If you had REALLY looked at the statistics, you might have noticed that the overall crime rate has been dropping steadily since the early 90`s! Did the 2005 expiration somehow cause that too? Incidentally the number of murders started dropping dramatically in the mid 90`s (from 24,530 in 1993 to 15,522 in 1999). Guess what, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994. I`d say that`s a much stronger correlation there, eh?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 28, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    How dare she denigrate our God-given constitutional right to keep and bear sporting goods?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2013 at 10:18 pm
    Fantastic
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    Limiteded Male 30-39
    133 posts
    February 28, 2013 at 10:28 pm
    No need for solid proof anywhere. It may indeed be a fact that places with bans have lower firearm-related deaths, it may not be.

    The question is: do you trust the government of this country to protect its people less than you trust the people of this country not to misuse the freedom?

    I do not, and therefore, I agree with this testimony, anecdotal, or not.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    casidhe - Given the fact that this country has an INSANE amount of firearms already, which the government has little or no way of tracking...can you supply a method of controlling who has them? Any idea that will stop a criminal from breaking the law? All proposed actions will only affect the law abiding by striping their rights to protect themselves. Or is it more likely that you are living in an emotionally fueled daydream where the government will protect you, so you won`t have to take any responsibility for your own safety? Striping our rights will never create paradise. Simply saying we need less guns is a lazy when you have no real solution.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 1:03 am
    I think it`s interesting that the people who get to decide matters like this have very, very limited practical experience with the things that they make laws about. They rely almost entirely on what information is fed to them and their own personal goals or moral compass.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 1:40 am
    I like how theatrical she is, and the fact that a huge portion of her story is unverifiable outside of the shooting itself.

    I would also like to point out that in a crisis even, even highly trained soldiers lose the ability to determine lapsed time. How can she be so sure about the 45 seconds that passed. It could have just as easily been 15 seconds and just felt much longer. Was she boiling magic grits on her physics-defying stove? (My Cousin Vinnie)
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2013 at 3:05 am
    Anybody has the video from the LA riots?
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2013 at 4:09 am
    Ok, found it, never mind.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
    508 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 5:21 am
    I just love how anti gun people here are picking here story apart.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 1, 2013 at 5:26 am
    chalket: I see that you completely missed the point, that crime statistics have gone down except in `gun free zones`. Gun free zones are killing zones for criminals. If you can`t accept those statistics as proof, then you`re just a stubborn ideologue.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 5:44 am
    Meh, only about 23% of US women own guns. Most women don`t like guns and don`t use them as it stands right now, so an argument of self-defense for women isn`t very compelling.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 6:00 am
    Anti gunners when presented with a strong arguments consider it opinion unlike the opinions they present as fact.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 6:04 am

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 6:05 am

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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    March 1, 2013 at 6:47 am
    annnnddddd a sh*t storm ensues.
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 7:44 am
    What`d they record that with a camera from the 70`s or 80`s
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 7:54 am
    ...and after that compelling story to which I`m sure she learned a life-long lesson, was she able to carry her protection into the building where her story was told?

    The root of this problem is, we`ve gone from stupid to lunacy - not a good direction. For the greater good, I think it would be best if the press didn`t idolize those that induce terror. No pictures of the accused or detailed accounts of their life.

    As for stats, 78% of them are made up on the spot anyway.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    823 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 8:00 am
    Are you anti-gun people listening yet?

    Have you thought about your duty as part of the inactive militia to protect our nation?

    Have you even considered that having an armed citizenry is why we have not been invaded by ground troops in 200 years?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 8:07 am
    Have you even considered that having an armed citizenry is why we have not been invaded by ground troops in 200 years?
    I think being on a continent separate from most of the populated world had a little to do with it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 8:15 am
    I think being on a continent separate from most of the populated world had a little to do with it.

    That didn`t stop Japan from thinking about doing it during WW2. It was that other thing.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 8:19 am
    That didn`t stop Japan from thinking about doing it during WW2. It was that other thing.
    Well they didn`t attempt a land invasion so Pearl doesn`t really apply. Plus I doubt it was the average civilian with a gun that prevented them from doing it. Besides, it didn`t stop the ruskies in Red Dawn. ;-)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 8:29 am
    [quote">Well they didn`t attempt a land invasion[/quote">

    Aleutian Islands Campaign.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 8:30 am
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2013 at 8:44 am
    @McGovern: "Forgotten Battle" indeed, I had never heard of it. While it`s not exactly mainland US, I`ll still give that one to you. However, they didn`t run into civilian opposition, just military, so it doesn`t really support @insane_ai`s statement.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Patchgrabber: "only 23%"? That`s almost 1 in 4. That is a significant number. That`s a compelling number in favor of their self defense, not against it. I think would be attacker would think long and hard that the woman he`s considering has a 23% chance of being armed, not 0.2%.
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    synaw Male 18-29
    58 posts
    March 1, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    "well regulated militia" means "random woman with gun in her purse" now. the founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2013 at 10:23 am
    woah, being a victim makes her opionion count more or what?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 5, 2013 at 12:17 am
    woah, being a victim makes her opionion count more or what?
    She`s living proof that what they believe is a lie.

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