God`s God - Laughing At Atheists

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 3 years ago Misc

Who was intelligently designed and who designed them? Worth the watch. The last minute brings it together. NSFW Language
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Male 36,536
@paperduck: Yes, I`m aiming for "internal consistancy", it`s something I`m fond of!

That`s a good way to explain "miracles": That God (or whomever) uses Laws of The Universe (physics, nature) that the rest of us don`t understand, yet.

It`s similar to AC Clark`s notion that "advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic".

Not that you`ll ever read this, but cheers!
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Male 1,745
5cats I think a better argument is there is no difference between physical laws and "miracles", it only seems different to us. That way you`re consistent.
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Male 1,745
5cats Ok fine, but then miracles, when he chooses to break those laws He usually follows, should cause more harm than good too. It seems like you are playing both sides to suit you.
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Male 36,536
@paperduck: Since God lives outside our "physical universe" He is not governed by it`s Laws. However He chooses to obey these Laws for reasons unknown.
Probably because breaking Laws is a "bad thing" which causes more harm than good...

For example: He could "cure a plague" but that would upset the Natural Order (evolutionary process) and -might- eventually lead to an even WORSE plague! He`d know the chances of this, it`s a "risk/benefit" thing.

Or: He might push a comet just a nudge, so it plows harmlessly into the Sun rather than wipe out 99% of all life on Earth...
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Male 36,536
Further Rantings:
Heaven: The place where God comes from, it has different Laws. Angels were created here.

When a soul`s body dies, all souls goto heaven. It probably helps if you`ve been "true" during your lifetime.

The more intelligent your sepcies is? The better chance an individual will have a soul. A retard and a genius both have the same chance. It`s species driven.

Most souls are there when you`re born, but sometimes you can "create" one later, idk how exactly. Yes animals, fish and even plants & bugs can have souls, but not many of them.

God really likes souls. He is happy when one is born or created, and sad when one dies. When the body dies and the soul enters Heaven? He`s very happy: That`s the PLAN!

afaik...
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Male 1,745
5cats He has to obey the physical laws He created or "it would be cheating" BUT if he has a good reason He can perform miracles (and thus cheat?) Might want to think this through some more....
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Male 36,536
[quote]I feel like with omnipotence and omniscience, things could be better run, ya know?[/quote]
Roger That! @Hopefulbliss! You`d think an "intelligent universe" would run "tickity-boo!" and not, you know, like THIS!

@patchy: I`d have a list of questions too ;-)

5Cats Theory: (which has no evidence at all, it`s 100% opinion!)
God created the universe, via the Big Bang, and all the Physical Laws therein.
He has to obey them too, or it would be cheating. The few times he does "miracles" he needs a good reason. (IF He ever does, he might just watch).
The purpose of the universe is to create intelligent life with a soul in it.
Not all living things have souls. Souls are not immortal and can die or be born later in life.
Devils & demons are Angels whose souls have died.
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Male 5,811
[quote]But what could be evidence for god?[/quote]
I`d have to see him, or a video of him reading from the Bible or singing a psalm or something, with two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and 5cats taking notes, and one of God`s angels there to confirm his identity. I think that would be reasonable.
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Male 1,745
Ok this video was really poorly done, but I guess it had a specific audience in mind. So here is the question it raised, does SOMETHING have to be eternal? Whether it`s this universe or another entity, something has to be right?
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Male 25
*that know that god exist? Seems odd, and unfair, to me. I still don`t like the idea of omniscience and omnipotence being combined in a Christian example of god. Even if he is unable to know the future, he knows the people, situations and environments he is creating. I feel like with omnipotence and omniscience, things could be better run, ya know? Anyway, thanks for the welcome 5Cats, good to be here.
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Male 25
=) Thanks 5Cats!

Ok, I see and agree with your point on omniscience. I guess I had always just thought of omniscience as including future actions as well, though that is apparently not the definition of omniscience. XD Though I still feel that there are some problems with omnipotence. Why can he only create things within physical laws that he created? He himself is beyond those physical laws. Here is a question. If God is beyond physical laws, since he created them, and he can only create things within such laws; then is god therefore not powerful enough to create another god? If he is unable to create another being like himself, is he therefore not omnipotent? And if he can create a god, can he therefore create beyond the faculties of known physical laws?
Angels/The devil, has never made much sense to me. Can angels die? If not, what is there "incentive" not to sin? If they are mortal, then are they not just longer living, more powerful, free willed, humans tha
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Male 36,536
@Hopefulbliss: Welcome to IAB!
"know how everything would play out."
One cannot "know the future" it hasn`t happened yet. God can predict stuff though, with HIGH liklihood & accuracy. But because of "free will" (including "His Own"?) and a few other things, teh future is not "set in stone" even if God knows what`s 99% likely to happen, eh?

"Can god create a rock so heavy that he himself can`t lift it." No, He can only create things within teh Physical Laws (which He created too). He cannot make a circle with straight edges, or some water that is dry, not wet. Altering the Laws requite "miracles".
ANY rock He crated? He can move it. Something that is by definition "impossible"? It`s not a valid issue...
I`m a "Deist" btw...
"The Devil" is just an Angel who fell from grace through sin. God gave him "freewill" too!
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Male 7,123
But what could be evidence for god? A universally seen revelation in the sky, with everybody in the world simultaneously seeing the awesome sky-being as their particular god-image and in every dialect the same message booms down. I AM GOD. FEAR ME. OBEY ME.` Angels all over the place, a menace to air traffic. I`d remain unconviced, I can`t think of anything that would convince me that could not have been produced by a really smart alien grifter.

What would convince you?
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Male 5,811
@LordJim: I agree. If I were to have some kind of definitive evidence of God, not just some personal experience, but evidence that many people experienced and could verify, then I would have to change my view in light of that new evidence. But as I`ve said before, there`s a chance that the next time I jump in the air I`ll continue, unbound by gravity, into the stratosphere. But since that chance is infinitesimal, I choose to believe that instead I`ll come right back down to the ground, a slave to gravity.
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Male 55
That was really awful. Just insanely preachy and condescending, but childish all at once. Nothing profound here, just the same old arguments everyone has heard 254897234 times. Give this one a skip.
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Male 7,123
patchgrabber,

That`s more or less my position. I`m not saying there is no god, but I find the concept to be unnecessary, unevidenced and unconvincing. Also undesirable, but that`s another issue.

I`m not even sure that the concept of god could reasonably called a hypothesis. More of a hunch, really. A hunch I don`t share. But to each their own.

Religion, now...
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Male 5,811
[quote]Why then do atheists criticize those who believe in God act like they know for a fact there is no God when the science they rely on cannot be certain?[/quote]
In my opinion, those atheists just aren`t being scientific, however being scientific is not necessary for atheism. This is where the whole agnostic vs. gnostic comes in. I, for one, do not know if a God exists, and I doubt I ever will in my time here. However, what I *can* do is apply scientific logic based on all the available information. Doing this, I come to the realization that there is no compelling evidence for the existence of a deity, as there is plentiful evidence to the contrary. So I suppose I act as if there is no God, because to ignore the evidence otherwise is irrational and illogical. But then faith and religion are by their nature irrational and illogical.
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Male 1,920
[quote]Some may reply, free will. In the case of free will he would either know what we were going to do before we did it, or not. In which case he either knows what we will do our entire lives, therefore no true free will but a pre-scripted life...[/quote]

I know what my dog will do if the gate is open when I let him out. He has the freedom to stay in the yard or run. I know him well enough to know that without a doubt he will run. It does not mean his life is scripted by me. It just means I am smart enough to know what his actions will be.
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Female 121
This was conceptually interesting, but I found it simultaneously too pretentious and juvenile to take seriously. -.-
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Male 1,920
[quote]Problem with this is that you cannot treat God as such, because there is no test with current technology that can verify the existence of a deity.[/quote]

Which is exactly the point. Why then do atheists criticize those who believe in God act like they know for a fact there is no God when the science they rely on cannot be certain? This is why I say they Should treat it like a theory that has yet to be proven and move on with their lives. The same goes for religious people, if someone does not want to hear what they have to say, then move on and let it go. I would think in this life we have move to worry about than bashing people for their beliefs.
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Male 3,894
@EgalM- through study of the Higgs-Boson particle at the LHC, current calculations suggest an inherent instability in matter, which eventually opens up into a bubble of a lower-energy state somewhere in the universe. Since everything naturally gravitates to being in a low energy state (think of it this way. matter is even lazier than we are. if it can do less work to exist, it will.) all of matter then gets sucked into that bubble, forming the pre-big-bang mass. That bubble then opens up to occupy the surrounding emptiness, and the big bang happens all over again.

Now, to be sure this is merely in the hypothetical stages, they haven`t stood by and said that`s exactly how it works yet. They need to conduct more studies on the Higgs before they can have any certainty. And since they`re performing repairs/upgrades on the LHC for the next year or two, it`ll be a while before they go and submit their findings for peer review.

TL;DR- don`t talk science if you don`t know how
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Male 554
hook line and sinker... awesome
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Male 5,413
Last minute was pretty good!
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Male 5,811
[quote]If Atheists truly want to be scientific then they should treat God like a scientific theory that has yet to be proved or disproved. [/quote]
Problem with this is that you cannot treat God as such, because there is no test with current technology that can verify the existence of a deity. It`s like attributing metaphysical properties to a tree and saying "prove or disprove." You just can`t do it.

[quote] if he does exist, nothing in the physical realm applies to Him because He would have created it.[/quote]
Now that is an assumption, one that would have to be verified on its own before you could accept it as fact. After all, I saw a Dutch artist create a cloud inside a room, but his creation is still bound by the properties of the universe. I could argue the same for God.
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Male 296
LOL so true
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Male 1,569
well done, the last minute I already knew...
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Male 25
If god was omniscient and omnipotent, then that means that he created a man in such a way that he was doomed to go to hell, and had the power to change the man or stop the event, and still chose not to! A million variables could have been changed, but were not on purpose. This is insane and ridiculous to believe unless you believe that god enjoys punishing his creations, after they did the very things they were built and predestined to do. The devil brings up another problem with omnipotence. Either god wants the devil to exist, or he would just destroy him. The devil is not god, therefore the devil was created by god, therefore god, if omnipotent, could destroy the devil at any time. This means either A) god wants the devil around to try to destroy good in all forms, which is insane. Or B) He is unable to stop or destroy the devil, in which case he is not omnipotent. The devil is either working for god, or god is not all powerful folks!
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Male 25
all of your actions are predetermined, fabricated, and meaningless. That you are a puppet of flesh merely moving in the way that a god has predetermined you to move. Or B) He is not omniscient.

The problems with omnipotence are both logical and philosophical. The logic is simple, since you are dealing with an absolute. Can god create a rock so heavy that he himself can`t lift it. That sort of thing. The philosophical delves into the actions described in the bible. The idea of a devil, or a hell, makes absolutely no sense when omniscience and omnipotence is put into place. For example, who is really putting you into heaven or hell? God is! Your actions are irrelevant. Step 1; god creates Bob. Being omniscient, god knows that his current design of Bob, (his body, mind, placement on Earth etc.) will kill another person. Step 2; god makes Bob an atheist, therefore he does not believe or repent. Step 3; god sends Bob to hell for murder.
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Male 25
5Cats: "Omnicience" You know all there is to know. If you don`t "know it"? It DOESN`T EXIST!
DUH!
"Omnipotent" Able to do "all that can" be done. If you can`t do it? It doesn`t exist!
FFS! These are EASY to refute!

There are huge logical problems with omniscience and omnipotence in a god of mankind. Let`s use Christianity. Having both omniscience and omnipotence means knowing and being capable of literally anything. I ask, in that case, why did he create us, or anything for that matter? He should, by definition, know how everything would play out. Some may reply, free will. In the case of free will he would either know what we were going to do before we did it, or not. In which case he either knows what we will do our entire lives, therefore no true free will but a pre-scripted life, or does not, in which case he is not omnipotent. So believing in a Christian god is admitting that either A) You have no true free will, and
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Male 1,920
[quote]So it`s OK for humans to gain consciousness within a finite time, but not OK for that energy that has literally infinite time to do so before doing anything else.[/quote]

It is also interesting to see people who are supposedly coming to a scientific conclusion about God ignore the fact that if he does exist, nothing in the physical realm applies to Him because He would have created it. We don`t even understand the subtleties of the physical realm and have no way of seeing or understanding anything that may exist outside it. If Atheists truly want to be scientific then they should treat God like a scientific theory that has yet to be proved or disproved.

Both religious and non-religious people should just stop with all the hate, and follow some advice from the Bible:
[quote]And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet...[/quote]
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Male 36,536
[quote]5Cats no welcome needed, been here since 2004. Just never had anything to say. I guess I just got so bored I had to speak up.[/quote]
@12chars: I know how that is! I lurked for several months bfore signing up and spouting off!
I am the IAB "UNofficial" welcoming commitee! If it occures to me? I welcome folks!
LOLZ!
But I try to "welcome" all sorts of folks, disregardless of my agreeing with them or not.

@markust: Another "God" showed up?
I am SO GLAD I didn`t watch it all... really, very glad...
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Male 1,737
I got a feeling I don`t need to watch this to get the gist of it.

I will say that I find it funny how it`s OK for one side to believe something cause science, but it`s not OK for the other side cause religion.

Take the Big Bang, sure it happened, but what caused it. One hand they say nothing, on the other they say a energy that has always existed. So it`s OK for humans to gain consciousness within a finite time, but not OK for that energy that has literally infinite time to do so before doing anything else. It all boils down to them wanting to live a certain way and they`ll be damned if anything is going tell them how to go about it.
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Male 4,298
The first "God" was the worst, most poorly written character I have ever seen. This was painful to watch.
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Male 906
5Cats no welcome needed, been here since 2004. Just never had anything to say. I guess I just got so bored I had to speak up.
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Male 36,536
[quote]The Holy FAQ! xD[/quote]
@h4krChik: See? THAT comment is funnier than this entire video!
Welcome to IAB!

[quote]Maybe the human intilect is too limited to understand...[/quote]
@Gerry1: Like in "Mothman Prophecies" eh? I love that film!

@12chars: Ooo! I hope MY spelling error drives you nutz!

NO WELCOME FOR YOU!

(I`m kidding! Welcome to IAB!)
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Male 36,536
Got really BORING when the "strawmen" started popping up... about 2 minutes in...

"Omnicience" You know all there is to know. If you don`t "know it"? It DOESN`T EXIST!
DUH!
"Omnipotent" Able to do "all that can" be done. If you can`t do it? It doesn`t exist!
FFS! These are EASY to refute!

@DrProfessor: I heartily agree! These "so called arguements" are both OLD and LAME and should be put out of their misery...
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Male 5,811
I enjoyed parts of it. Way too long though.
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Male 636
I like Gerry... That comment was pretty good..
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Male 906
Maybe the human intellect is too limited to spell intellect correctly. Maybe you need to see the reason to use a dictionary or spell check.
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Male 37,897

Stupid faith bashing.

Maybe the human intilect is too limited to understand where a being like God came into being. Like a slug can`t figure out where your boot came from.

I don`t believe any of that poo, but I don`t see any reason for this video.
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Male 2,988
i liked it
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Male 3,894
I skipped around. Couldn`t handle getting through the whole thing. Poorly done, by far.

Why do people have to constantly re-tread the basest aspects of this argument? It`s been done. It`s out there. Stop acting like your crappy animation is going to solve the entire conflict between atheism and religion.

So stilted and just... augh.
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Male 7,775
Heavy man
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Female 86
The Holy FAQ! xD HAHAH! Awesome stuff.
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Female 8,044
Link: God`s God - Laughing At Atheists [Rate Link] - Who was intelligently designed and who designed them? Worth the watch. The last minute brings it together. NSFW Language
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