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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    Link: Explain How Liberal Logic Works - Does it go something like this?
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    Stinkytoes Male 30-39
    23 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm
    Simple question;

    Would you give guns to people in the first picture?
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    :-)
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    A better one would highlight their defense of Islam and the disdain for Christianity among many of them, even though the average Muslim is waaaaaaay more homophobic than the average Christian.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    Actually, I judge gun nuts by gun nuts I see on tv and in person. You know, the people in the protest pic. I listen to logic, not crazy.
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
    406 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    Again the point of it all has been twisted...
    It not guns are bad but why do you need a gun when you have a police force to take care of you. (I know that there is a big deference between Eu and the us.) Its not "sick people kill with guns" but "guns kill" (Yea you can use them as a beer opener or a hammer but lets get real! ITS NOT A TOOL!). Religion on the other hand kills only when it is made into something it is not.
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    Limiteded Male 30-39
    132 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    "Liberals" and "Conservatives" - all the same. Everyone wants it both ways.
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    Aquaeous Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    What`s "judging" got to do with the gun control debate?

    The statistics speak for themselves; the US has a significant problem with gun crime. I see nothing incompatible about the idea of stricter background checks on infringing the second amendment, which itself is somewhat beyond the shelf life of its original purpose.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    New Guy, try living in a place away from the city where the nearest cop is 30-45 minutes away. At night, who knows what the response would be. In a state like Wyoming, New Mexico or West Texas, you are responsible for your own defense. Even in a populated area, you wouldn`t have 5-10 minutes to spare.


    And you also used the phrase "police force to take care of you". This highlights the mentality that many Americans do not want to adopt. Many Americans believe that the government`s primary job, and especially the police, is not to "take care" of us. That makes it sound like we are subordinate to it when we shouldn`t be.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    Ah, I see, it`s dumb-ass false equivalency day! No one is "judging" gun owners. And almost no one is calling for bans on guns. What almost all "liberals" are asking for is reasonable controls. Reasonable restrictions that would allow for better or "well regulated" control in order to limit criminals and those who might do harm access. That`s no different than the limits and controls being put on air travel, communications, etc., due to OBL and AQ, etc. So, let`s not act like it`s the liberals who are being inconsistent here.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    And Aquaeous, using gun laws as the only variable in the amount of crime in a society is so woefully shortsighted. Firstly, the crime in the US is very regional, many states have UK murder rates and guns coexisted (imagine), while Louisiana is like Mexico.


    And here`s a graph to disprove the grass-is-always-greender-in-Europe idea. That line spiking is the British crime rate after 1998.

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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    SmugBoy, most people agree with background checks, etc. Bill O`Reilly does, for instance. Yes, that racist bigot you presumably hate.

    More people would like to confiscate guns than you think. I`ve been to college, I know the people there and what they think. I`ve been to the Ivy League, Obama`s Alma Mater. I know how these people think. It`s not so ridiculous that people would be concerned about the erosion of the 2nd amendment. Don`t be weird.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:51 pm
    Oh lord another long winded impossible debate
    between flamers
    *gets coat*
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    Just afore puts coat on,

    Gerry1of1

    Pretty much cuts it good buddy
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Not even close.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    So, Gerry, you believe liberals like abortions? That they encourage them? That they want there to be the need for even a single abortion? Oh well. No need to even go any farther.
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    ilyaD Male 18-29
    84 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    Interesting post, I won`t lie. I never really saw it from this angle and I don`t have an immediately prepared response.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32834 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    Yup! 100% accurate!

    "Sometimes I`ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
    Lewis Carroll - Alice In Wonderland
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
    2200 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    why cant human beings have their own opinions and thoughts without being categorized into 1 of 2 different polarized parties? are we this all really this simple minded?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    @Gerry- as a gay man who would DEFINITELY never be in the situation of being a woman who is facing immediate poverty by having an unplanned pregnancy, you might want to bow out of the abortion argument. Liberals recognize an aborted baby as a life. If a fertilized egg could be extracted from a woman, brought to term by an agency at their expense and then adopted out, I`m sure most women would choose that option. But when faced with the medical and economic burdens an unwanted pregnancy brings, they are forced to take actions they wish they never had to take. Abortion isn`t so much a choice as a last resort.
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    Badenov Male 70 & Over
    263 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    So then. since conservative frequently argue that you should judge all Muslims on the actions of a few I guess they they have no problem with enacting gun control in order to stay logically consistent? Amazing! I thought I`d never see the day those two sides agreed on anything!
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    VicAginal Male 30-39
    22 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    Liberals and Democrats are the downfall of America. We may as well resurrect Stalin and Mao. At least they didn`t have Downs Syndrome like Obama.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    Last I checked, terrorism isn`t legal. Also, shooting a crowd full of innocent people isn`t legal either. As a result, we`re at war with terrorists and we prevent gun violence. This isn`t about judging, it`s about preventing the problem, and pretending we don`t have a gun problem isn`t going to help.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    personal defence and a personal arsenal are two completely different things. Yes people should be able to own a gun, but to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous. On top of that, why does anyone need an army style gun? Ar-15 is not ment for home defence unless you are considering a oncoming mob. Rifles of any variety suck in a confined space such as a home. Ask any person who knows and they will always say a shotgun is the way to go.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    Yup, that picture is dead on.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    The crazy shooters all have bad hair issues. I knew there would be a pattern in there somewhere.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    I say put a ban on all of the guns that could be easily turned full auto. Stop selling them and if anyone is found with one take it. If they can produce a reciept of purchase then refund the money, they could also do an initial buyback. Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable. Granted this would cause a stir but there are plenty of alternatives for gun ownership. Btw, I also say they should do this with handguns. Let people carry knives.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Is that my only option? Who made the rules? Not playing.
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    zeebeedee Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    **Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable**

    Oh yea jops360 that`s realistic.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    not all Muslims are alcidea, just like all republicans are not crazy, gun-toting rednecks with a false sense of patriotism. But people who go out of their way to to show that they think this way prove that they are in this group. Just like Muslims who shout about the downfall of the us while shooting guns in the air should be in the terrorist group. You guys have word for this type of grouping, its called profiling. And you seem to be just fine with it. So why all of a sudden are you mad that it is being used? I guess you just don`t like when it is used on your kind
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:03 pm
    zbd -
    why is it not realistic? Do museums keep fireable weapons on display?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    a couple of well placed welds would do the trick
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    The fact that both 5Cats and CrakrJak think this is an accurate portrayal shows just how diluted and sheltered they are, from the real world. Not a big surprise really.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    jops360....That is possibly the most idiotic, retarded, pussiest, pussy thing I`ve heard in a long time. Not to mention it`s impossible to do without surrendering nearly all your freedoms this country was built on. Next time you feel like you have a good idea, go taste some antifreeze instead. Pussy. P.S. your generation is the stupidest ever.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
    770 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    jops-
    if you alter the thing. It`s value is ruined.
    Can you collect comic books if you make them unreadable?
    What happens to the value of antiques if you paint over them?
    Make a gun unfireable it is not of any value anymore and therefore not collectable.
    ...
    ...
    HEY! I just got the point of what you are after!
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    gigs1890 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    don`t judge muslims because of terrorists, do judge people wanting guns everywhere because of people using those guns to terrorise? seems reasonable to me.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    The fact that both @patchouly and @jops360 have no counter-arguement and insted blather on about nothing or hurl insults? Proves this to be accurate.

    Par for the liberal course.

    "rendered inoperative" "A couple of welds should do it"
    You are an idiot. You have NO IDEA what you`re talking about. Please to be quite. K-thx!
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    z28js Male 40-49
    26 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    Of course, all you have to do to `explain conservative logic` is switch the sets of pictures, with the same captions.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6181 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    New_Guy-"why do you need a gun when you have a police force to take care of you."

    Maybe because the police force is not able to protect you. And in the US, the courts have ruled that they don`t have the responsibility to protect you, either.

    The Police Force`s job (for the most part) is to write tickets and fill out paperwork on crimes that have already been commited.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    jops360-"but to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous"

    To have such an asanine opinion is just ridiculous.

    jops360-"Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable."

    There is only ONE way to make them `perminatly` unfireable: melting them down to slag.

    You seem to think that guns are complicated to manufacture and/or repair. A gun can be made out of materials found in a junkyard with tools found in most men`s shop.

    In fact, there`s no part of the gun that you can alter and/or outlaw that can`t be manufactured by anyone with just a little intelligence (that eliminated you).

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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    gigs1890

    Then you are a complete idiot.

    Given that they at least have some common aims it is far more reasonable to connect Muslims to Islamic terrorism. Note that of those committing notorious gun murders in the US that have a political agenda it tends to agree with those advocating gun control, up to the point of actual shout outs to gun-control advocates.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    The thing that makes pro-gun people look crazy is their insistence on everything being in the extreme. To them, there is constant danger they have to defend themselves from and any small change in gun laws means the gov is trying to take ALL the guns away. If you gun people were reasonable, other people would listen to what you have to say.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    Patchouly

    "The fact that both 5Cats and CrakrJak think this is an accurate portrayal shows just how diluted and sheltered they are, from the real world. Not a big surprise really."

    Hmmm, given that it is entirely accurate, and you appear to be unable to put forth even the most pathetic argument that it is not, just a bleating whine (as usual from the left when they are caught our in hypocrisy).
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    jops

    "to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous"

    Who are you to say that? You really are a typical lefty arrogant fool aren`t you?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    lauriloo

    So the problem with the 2nd amendment-supporting right is the left-wing stereotyping of them? Only it appears that you are naive and stupid enough to believe that bigoted propaganda.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm
    "...there is constant danger they have to defend themselves from and any small change in gun laws means the gov is trying to take ALL the guns away"

    Given that this is exactly what many of those involved in pushing those "small" contraventions of the Constitution say they plan to do, that is not entirely unreasonable. It is not paranoia if they are caught secretly telling their supporters that they are out to get you.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    One is a culture full of normal people with a lunatic fringe, the other is an issue of legal standing related to the accessibility of weapons.

    Apples, oranges, same thing right?
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    synaw Male 18-29
    58 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    no
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    "So, Gerry, you believe liberals like abortions? That they encourage them? That they want there to be the need for even a single abortion?"
    Wow. Read a whole lot into that picture didnt`cha.
    Oh well, no need to even go any further.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36697 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    lauriloo - "DEFINITELY never be in the situation of being a woman who is facing immediate poverty by having an unplanned pregnancy"
    1st, I don`t think that`s the scenareo for most abortions. How about it`s just too damn inconvenient to have the baby they made.

    2nd, Unplanned? Hetero sex is the process of making a baby. How can it be "unplanned" when they went to all that effort to make the baby? That`s like saying "I painted the wall but I didn`t know it would change the color of the wall!" What do people think will happen when they engage in Procreation?

    Oh, but we don`t want to face the consequences of our actions do we. That`d be way to adult. If she doesn`t want to keep it there are lots of gay couples who`d love to adopt the child.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    lauriloo

    Sometimes the threat is very real

    http://bit.ly/15Ffzjt
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    That`s a total lie! I don`t judge gun activists because of school shooters! I don`t judge the second amendment because of gun activists and I don`t judge the second amendment because the reason for and interpretation of it has been a matter of debate since it`s inception...sort of like religion...ah, it`s come `round full circle.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6181 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    lauriloo-"If you gun people were reasonable,"

    See, to idiots, `reasonable` is full capitulation.

    I highly doubt that what lauriloo considers `reasonable` would be found reasonable to any sane person with common sense.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    Gerry, do you feel humans are a species that have sex for pleasure and not solely for making babies.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    why don`t we all just quit whining about wanting freedoms we may or may not use being taken away and remember for a moment that we can slip and fall in the shower and snap our necks or die in any number of idiot ways any day of the week? plus that eventually we´re all dead anyways and that currently there is drat all we can do about that crushing fact besides come to terms with it.
    then maybe everyone can go back to going outside and just living while we have the chance instead of squealing like piggies at every sharp corner or shadow on the wall that we see.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    You guys realize you are around and pass by guns all the time and nothing bad happens because the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners.

    The same is true of Muslims, though in the US you probably pass more gun owners than Muslims. Everyone needs to chill out.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    It`s not judgmental if it`s a statement of fact. Keeping guns away from people who are unfit to handle them, either because of being incompetent or insane, is in everyone`s interest..
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    I fear gerry1of1 has turned to the dark side. I realize the opinions and thoughts haven`t changed. It`s the labeling everything you disagree with as "liberal" that I refer to. It`s a sad day when a good guy turns dark.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    "I highly doubt that what lauriloo considers `reasonable` would be found reasonable to any sane person with common sense. "

    Really? Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable? Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable? THAT`S your problem. Common sense is a mystery to you. Your thinking is the equivalent of using dynamite to unclog a toilet.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    turdburgler- did you even realize YOU are in my generation?

    inversegrav - that is my point. make them so that they are only worth sentimental value. or for the teaching on how brutal the past was.

    5cats and megrendal - yas you could make a gun of just about anything. but the idea was to take away the immediate use of the gun. it would take quite a lot of work to re-drill out an entire barrel and make/fix a triggering system. and if you did have enough of a reason to do so then i could reasonably assume you had a reason for it, such as a mass shooting. also doing this would greatly reduce the amount of prefabbed units. btw, i have a life outside of IMB so sorry that my counter-argument was postponed.

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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm
    for the rest of you - this type of action would in no way be unconstitutional. the government would pay the exact amount for the gun, with proof of receipt. this would be done with a buy back program. after that if you are caught in possession of one they would still offer to repay providing receipt of purchase or they would simply confiscate. after that they would be melted down and turned into something of real value. i dont get what the problem is. do you really think that the government is going to just on day turn on you and we will be a dictatorship? or are you afraid that if you give up your assault rifle you cannot keep the commies at bay. there are literally hundreds of other types of guns that do not fit this ban. everyone of them can be used to hunt or protect, but no thats not enough for you. you need something that can be easily turned full auto, just in case. why dont you just go back down into your bunker, we will let you know when its safe to come out.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
    459 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm
    I do judge the first group... I believe them when they say that Islam is generally a peaceful religion, But I do not think that the moderate Muslims do enough to try to silence and discredit the nut-jobs. When the Australian clerics say something offensive or inflammatory, the only thing we hear is `we are not all violent` or `we do not all believe that`. For me, that`s not enough, I don`t know the rules of their religion, but I`d prefer these ignorant douchebags removed from power and disowned, and their rantings discredited by the wider muslim community. Dangerous hatemongers have no place at the head of a `peaceful` religion.
  64. Profile photo of jops360
    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    and all of this talk about crazy people and criminals not being able to buy. everyone starts out as a law abiding citizen. so everyone has the chance to purchase at one point or another in their lives. the least we could do is limit the amount of damage done. just today i have seen guns for sale at garage sales and on facebook. this happens all the time. why cant that be regulated? ive seen kits at gun shows that turn your harmless ar-15 full-auto and they can sell these to anyone without a background check. something needs to change. there is no oversite who can get these guns, you cant even look up how many lives have been taken with them(its against the law for the government to figure out). this is all thanks to your friendly republican lawmakers. but no you are right, freedom before public safety, its done wonder so far.
  65. Profile photo of jops360
    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    btw, what use would you have for personally owning more that 4 guns? how about 4 per person in your household? i thought i gave this a high number but i must be mistaken. please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 would be a plus. besides a nationwide takeover that is. a decent rifle, a 22, a handgun and a shotgun. this would take care of all your "gun needs" in any given circumstance but please tell me why this is wrong. the only thing owning more that this tells me is that you are either 1, a nut job that plans on going on a rampage or 2, a collector that appreciates old weapons. the first need to be taken care of before something bad happens and the second needs to let others know why these guns are so valuable(by putting them on display).
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    i see what you did there... idiots..
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    AutieDaddy Male 40-49
    6 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:08 pm
    I love it when someone says, "You only need X guns"... Last I checked it was a bill of RIGHTS not needs. That is like saying you only need to publish 5 things per year for your right to free speech to be fulfilled. For all of you wanting to take away guns from law abiding citizens I have a 2 part question… When will you stop trying to take away enumerated rights and when will you stop making new rights out of thin air?
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    lt633c Male 50-59
    143 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:29 pm
    It`s not up to the Government to tell me what, or how many of ANYTHING I should own. It`s none of their f***ing business. It`s like telling me how many houses or cars I can have. We need LESS governmental control, regulation, and intrusion in our lives.


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    darkmoth Male 18-29
    69 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:33 pm
    XD my mind thought off the back "al qaeda made?? *looks at title* ahh, i see, liberals. LOL
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32834 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    @AuntieDaddy: Welcome to IAB! You make an excellent point!
    Right > Need

    I "NEED" to spout off 12X per day, but my "rights" as a Canadian say I can only do so 6X per day!
    Woah is me!
    Luckily I have the "wild west" o teh internets to aliviate my exasperations!
    Oh noes! The "law" says I am a criminal! Teh thought police, they are everywhere!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    turdburglar,j "I fear gerry1of1 has turned to the dark side."
    I`ve always walked both sides of the street.
    No, not girls! ewww!
    I am conservative on some things, like abortion,
    but I`m liberal on others topics, like same sex marriage.
    I am all for a REAL national health care system {not ObamaCare} but I`m also pro-gun.

    I make my mind up based on the topic, not by a party line that someone else told me to think.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Gun restrictions are not "judging" people, but way to go as twisting the truth to make it sound catchy and clever.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
    143 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    5Cats

    Just wait, the U.S. government will surely find a way to come up with a thought police soon enough. Be patient my friend.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 would be a plus.
    Please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 wenches would be a plus.

    That`s all the answer your stupid question deserves, but nonetheless, I will elaborate. You might want to have 1) a high-powered hunting rifle for large game, 2) a .22 rifle for target practice, 3) a tactile shotgun for home defense, 4) a double-barreled shotgun for skeet shooting, 5) a handgun for concealed carry, 6) a .22 pistol for target shooting 7) a semi-automatic .223 rifle for varmint shooting, 7) a .45 ACP because they`re cool as f***, and 8) a fully automatic 7.62 mm M60 machine gun for when the liberals try to take your other guns.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6181 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:24 pm
    lauriloo-"Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable?"

    I don`t know of anyone arguing against this.

    lauriloo-" Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable?"

    A politician deciding what I `need` IS unreasonable.

    jops360-"idea was to take away the immediate use of the gun"

    Any gun you can disable can probably be RE-abled in less than a day. And it would be completed the day after you disabled it. So you`ve acomplished nothing.

    jops360-"type of action would in no way be unconstitutional"

    Yeah, it would.

    jops360-"what use would you have for personally owning more that 4 guns?"

    I can think of many reasons why you would, but that`s irrelevent, as my right to keep and bear arms is in no way dependent upon jops360`s opinion of my `need` or `usage`.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    Really? Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable? Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable?
    Great, as long as I get to do the screening and decide who has "mental issues." BTW, are you aware that liberalism is a mental disease? No guns for you!

    Also, when the 2nd amendment was adopted, the standard issue weapon for the army was a musket, while the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle which was superior to the musket in range, accuracy, knock-down power, and rate of fire.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
    143 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    Love it Ollie. Perfect answer.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
    459 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:36 pm
    @oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns? I`m pretty sure you`re not allowed to keep ANY type of guns in prison/on death row. For every halfway intelligent point you gun nuts put across, another says something completely stupid and ruins it for the rest.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    for every time you call someone a gun nut, you lose one intelligent argument point. fair deal? why don`t we give up on stupid media terms and let go of the dippy political party grabbing and look at the issue objectively, which is that this entire debate is a sparked up hype riding on tragedies.
    maybe instead of devoting all this attention to it we can look at what we can do as a whole to generally improve society in whatever country we live in. not by bans, not by regulating everything into a police state, not with cctv all over, and not by bickering like old women at the market, but by constructively looking at what issues are at the root cause of these matters.
    if a murder is committed, you look for the motive, you don`t sit around shouting about the object used, which is exactly what most people seem to be doing.
    or keep hyping, band wagoning and generally cheering on the death of the democracies you supposedly stand for.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    also while i see violence as a bitter last resort having firsthand seen war, a person who has balls and a brain will fight to keep their rights regardless of the price sometimes, and not everyone is willing to simply buckle under and give up so easily.
    western nations cheer on rebels who try and overthrow their corrupt, cruel or otherwise supposedly nasty government, yet somehow protesting the removal of rights or arbitrary law making is completely out of line in our own so called free and democratic west?
    be happy that people exist who would stand up instead of just allowing themselves to be carted off, they`re why you enjoy most of the freedoms that you do and why things like segregation, as a single example, ended. regardless if the issue is guns, abortion or anything else.
  81. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 10:54 pm
    @oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns?
    Yes. Obviously, you wouldn`t. That`s how they were able to come and take away your guns.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
    265 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    @MeGrendel - "A politician deciding what I `need` IS unreasonable."

    Because I need a rocket launcher to defend my home.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
    437 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 2:09 am
    People who support you having your guns taken away don`t think that you`re all going to go on murderous rampages, what we think is that if no-one has easy access to guns then these people won`t be able to get to them in order to go on their shooting sprees. And yes, someone will point out that if they`re that determined, they will go out and murder anyway, but it will be a lot harder to get the same sort of numbers with a knife than it would be with an assault rifle. Also, look at Britain, virtually no-one has guns and the last time we had any sort of mass shooting was in the 1980s I believe
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14629 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 2:43 am
    I judge them all
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    DinVen Male 30-39
    390 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 2:56 am
    Establishing a non-nonsensical comparison like this will help in recruiting the support of challenged right wingers. The message is a mess of contrived conclusions and assumptions. Propaganda is all it is.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 4:46 am
    Imagine that. It`s exactly opposite from Conservative logic, which refuses to judge Christians for their religious hate crimes.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 4:50 am
    The fact is, retarded religious people refuse to open their eyes and realize how similar their religions really are. Christianity and Islam are both promoted as religions of peace, but in the end, one is just as intolerant and war-mongering as the other.
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    earplay Male 60-69
    121 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 4:50 am
    @Frankii I`m all for gun control if it`s aimed at controlling lethality (full-auto, hi-cap mags, etc), but taking all guns away is just not on. They are too practical for too many people. And OldOllie, the next time they come to take your M60, which I would support, you would find it insufficient, despite how possessing it makes you feel.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 5:44 am
    Except that the bottom 3 nuts are liberals and have nothing to do with law abiding, freedom-loving Americans. Nice try.
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    Stinkytoes Male 30-39
    23 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 6:34 am
    Am I supposed to judge gun nuts by those on this board? Because I`m coming to the same conclusion.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36697 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 6:37 am

    @oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns?"

    "Yes. Obviously, you wouldn`t. That`s how they were able to come and take away your guns."
    Stick to your guns, fella. I`ll look for you on the news.
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    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 7:21 am
    Y`know... I once saw a comment on this website a while ago saying i-am-bored clearly had a liberal-bias, and I - an avowed liberal - was inclined to agree.

    It has definitely swerved to the right since then.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
    1243 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 7:26 am
    Judge not lest ye be judged- Jesus Christ

    ^^ +1
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6181 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 7:35 am
    Frankii-"what we think is that if no-one has easy access to guns then these people won`t be able to get to them in order to go on their shooting sprees."

    See, the former does not result in the latter, so your thinking is incorrect.

    Frankii-"but it will be a lot harder to get the same sort of numbers with a knife"

    But so much easier with a little fertilizer and diesel fuel, are quite a few other easy compounds or devices.

    You DO realize that the worst massacres have been with explosive devices, correct?
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
    338 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 8:46 am
    yeahno, makes no sense whatsoever.
    I don`t think anybody believes just by wanting free access to guns means you want to go out killin`
    Just the same as no-one believes that religious types want to do the same.
    so no-one is presuming the pro-gun lobbyists are murderers, just the same as they are not judging religious types are genocidal maniacs.

    I can disagree with your ideology without judging you, I can think that control of guns may help with gun crime without thinking that if you disagree with me you must be a gun-toting murderer

    If I was more cynical I would think this was made to ridicule the pro-gun "arguments".
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 9:20 am
    This is painfully stupid.

    Being a muslim does not lead to terrorism.

    Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 9:22 am
    So flimsy.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 9:40 am
    What a load of crap.
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 10:19 am
    Dictionary definition of a `strawman argument`
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3431 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
    We need to limit muslim`s access to guns. That will make everyone happy.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 11:51 am
    frankii, that`s a pretty big bit of misinformation, the UK does have plenty of gun crime, however your media doesn`t openly state it all the time like the US is doing currently, the same goes for most countries with "stricter" laws.
    also view differences in social setting and so on between the UK and US.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
    1183 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.

    that make no sense at all. possibly does lead to? what kind of stupid drating logic is that. lets apply that logic to everything
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    basketcase

    "that make no sense at all. possibly does lead to? what kind of stupid drating logic is that."

    That doesn`t make sense. You`re right. It also isn`t what I said. I said "possible" in relation "as accessible as possible" NOT "possibly" as in "possibly does".

    Let me re-phrase with a comma since you are having problems:

    Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible, DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    February 25, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    So, if we outlaw guns, NOBODY can get a gun -- the same way we outlawed drugs, and now NOBODY can get drugs.
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    liabach Male 40-49
    3242 posts
    February 26, 2013 at 10:41 pm
    well, if they had beards
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    February 27, 2013 at 5:14 am
    @OldOllie

    Outlawing and ENFORCING makes it a whole lot more difficult to get hold of whatever it is that is outlawed.

    But how about we take your complaint to its logical conclusion: that all laws and law enforcement is pointless and we should simply not bother at all.

    Is that what you`re saying? Because that`s what it sounds like.

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