Explain How Liberal Logic Works [Pic]

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 3 years ago Misc

Does it go something like this?
There are 108 comments:
Male 2,850
@OldOllie

Outlawing and ENFORCING makes it a whole lot more difficult to get hold of whatever it is that is outlawed.

But how about we take your complaint to its logical conclusion: that all laws and law enforcement is pointless and we should simply not bother at all.

Is that what you`re saying? Because that`s what it sounds like.
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Male 3,231
well, if they had beards
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Male 15,832
So, if we outlaw guns, NOBODY can get a gun -- the same way we outlawed drugs, and now NOBODY can get drugs.
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Male 5,190
You all should take these thinking skills and put them towards something more progressive. :-D
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Male 7,908
basketcase

"that make no sense at all. possibly does lead to? what kind of stupid drating logic is that."

That doesn`t make sense. You`re right. It also isn`t what I said. I said "possible" in relation "as accessible as possible" NOT "possibly" as in "possibly does".

Let me re-phrase with a comma since you are having problems:

Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible, DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.
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Male 1,182
Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.

that make no sense at all. possibly does lead to? what kind of stupid drating logic is that. lets apply that logic to everything
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Male 2,160
frankii, that`s a pretty big bit of misinformation, the UK does have plenty of gun crime, however your media doesn`t openly state it all the time like the US is doing currently, the same goes for most countries with "stricter" laws.
also view differences in social setting and so on between the UK and US.
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Male 3,431
We need to limit muslim`s access to guns. That will make everyone happy.
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Male 409
Dictionary definition of a `strawman argument`
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Male 573
What a load of crap.
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Male 1,243
So flimsy.
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Male 7,908
This is painfully stupid.

Being a muslim does not lead to terrorism.

Being a gun nut that does everything in their power to make guns as plentiful and easily accessible as possible DOES lead to it being easier for crazy people to get guns.
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Male 338
yeahno, makes no sense whatsoever.
I don`t think anybody believes just by wanting free access to guns means you want to go out killin`
Just the same as no-one believes that religious types want to do the same.
so no-one is presuming the pro-gun lobbyists are murderers, just the same as they are not judging religious types are genocidal maniacs.

I can disagree with your ideology without judging you, I can think that control of guns may help with gun crime without thinking that if you disagree with me you must be a gun-toting murderer

If I was more cynical I would think this was made to ridicule the pro-gun "arguments".
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Male 7,339
Frankii-"what we think is that if no-one has easy access to guns then these people won`t be able to get to them in order to go on their shooting sprees."

See, the former does not result in the latter, so your thinking is incorrect.

Frankii-"but it will be a lot harder to get the same sort of numbers with a knife"

But so much easier with a little fertilizer and diesel fuel, are quite a few other easy compounds or devices.

You DO realize that the worst massacres have been with explosive devices, correct?
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Male 1,243
Judge not lest ye be judged- Jesus Christ

^^ +1
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Male 260
Y`know... I once saw a comment on this website a while ago saying i-am-bored clearly had a liberal-bias, and I - an avowed liberal - was inclined to agree.

It has definitely swerved to the right since then.
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Male 37,888

@oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns?"

[quote]"Yes. Obviously, you wouldn`t. That`s how they were able to come and take away your guns." [/quote]
Stick to your guns, fella. I`ll look for you on the news.
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Male 23
Am I supposed to judge gun nuts by those on this board? Because I`m coming to the same conclusion.
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Female 465
Except that the bottom 3 nuts are liberals and have nothing to do with law abiding, freedom-loving Americans. Nice try.
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Male 121
@Frankii I`m all for gun control if it`s aimed at controlling lethality (full-auto, hi-cap mags, etc), but taking all guns away is just not on. They are too practical for too many people. And OldOllie, the next time they come to take your M60, which I would support, you would find it insufficient, despite how possessing it makes you feel.
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Male 2,514
The fact is, retarded religious people refuse to open their eyes and realize how similar their religions really are. Christianity and Islam are both promoted as religions of peace, but in the end, one is just as intolerant and war-mongering as the other.
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Male 2,514
Imagine that. It`s exactly opposite from Conservative logic, which refuses to judge Christians for their religious hate crimes.
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Male 390
Establishing a non-nonsensical comparison like this will help in recruiting the support of challenged right wingers. The message is a mess of contrived conclusions and assumptions. Propaganda is all it is.
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Male 14,773
I judge them all
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Female 437
People who support you having your guns taken away don`t think that you`re all going to go on murderous rampages, what we think is that if no-one has easy access to guns then these people won`t be able to get to them in order to go on their shooting sprees. And yes, someone will point out that if they`re that determined, they will go out and murder anyway, but it will be a lot harder to get the same sort of numbers with a knife than it would be with an assault rifle. Also, look at Britain, virtually no-one has guns and the last time we had any sort of mass shooting was in the 1980s I believe
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Male 265
@MeGrendel - "A politician deciding what I `need` IS unreasonable."

Because I need a rocket launcher to defend my home.
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Male 15,832
[quote]@oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns?[/quote]
Yes. Obviously, you wouldn`t. That`s how they were able to come and take away your guns.
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Male 2,160
also while i see violence as a bitter last resort having firsthand seen war, a person who has balls and a brain will fight to keep their rights regardless of the price sometimes, and not everyone is willing to simply buckle under and give up so easily.
western nations cheer on rebels who try and overthrow their corrupt, cruel or otherwise supposedly nasty government, yet somehow protesting the removal of rights or arbitrary law making is completely out of line in our own so called free and democratic west?
be happy that people exist who would stand up instead of just allowing themselves to be carted off, they`re why you enjoy most of the freedoms that you do and why things like segregation, as a single example, ended. regardless if the issue is guns, abortion or anything else.
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Male 2,160
for every time you call someone a gun nut, you lose one intelligent argument point. fair deal? why don`t we give up on stupid media terms and let go of the dippy political party grabbing and look at the issue objectively, which is that this entire debate is a sparked up hype riding on tragedies.
maybe instead of devoting all this attention to it we can look at what we can do as a whole to generally improve society in whatever country we live in. not by bans, not by regulating everything into a police state, not with cctv all over, and not by bickering like old women at the market, but by constructively looking at what issues are at the root cause of these matters.
if a murder is committed, you look for the motive, you don`t sit around shouting about the object used, which is exactly what most people seem to be doing.
or keep hyping, band wagoning and generally cheering on the death of the democracies you supposedly stand for.
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Male 459
@oldollie, are you seriously suggesting that you would turn an M60 on someone who came to take away your guns? I`m pretty sure you`re not allowed to keep ANY type of guns in prison/on death row. For every halfway intelligent point you gun nuts put across, another says something completely stupid and ruins it for the rest.
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Male 143
Love it Ollie. Perfect answer.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Really? Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable? Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable?[/quote]
Great, as long as I get to do the screening and decide who has "mental issues." BTW, are you aware that liberalism is a mental disease? No guns for you!

Also, when the 2nd amendment was adopted, the standard issue weapon for the army was a musket, while the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle which was superior to the musket in range, accuracy, knock-down power, and rate of fire.
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Male 7,339
lauriloo-"Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable?"

I don`t know of anyone arguing against this.

lauriloo-" Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable?"

A politician deciding what I `need` IS unreasonable.

jops360-"idea was to take away the immediate use of the gun"

Any gun you can disable can probably be RE-abled in less than a day. And it would be completed the day after you disabled it. So you`ve acomplished nothing.

jops360-"type of action would in no way be unconstitutional"

Yeah, it would.

jops360-"what use would you have for personally owning more that 4 guns?"

I can think of many reasons why you would, but that`s irrelevent, as my right to keep and bear arms is in no way dependent upon jops360`s opinion of my `need` or `usage`.
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Male 15,832
[quote]please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 [guns] would be a plus.[/quote]
Please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 wenches would be a plus.

That`s all the answer your stupid question deserves, but nonetheless, I will elaborate. You might want to have 1) a high-powered hunting rifle for large game, 2) a .22 rifle for target practice, 3) a tactile shotgun for home defense, 4) a double-barreled shotgun for skeet shooting, 5) a handgun for concealed carry, 6) a .22 pistol for target shooting 7) a semi-automatic .223 rifle for varmint shooting, 7) a .45 ACP because they`re cool as f***, and 8) a fully automatic 7.62 mm M60 machine gun for when the liberals try to take your other guns.
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Male 143
5Cats

Just wait, the U.S. government will surely find a way to come up with a thought police soon enough. Be patient my friend.
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Male 2,675
Gun restrictions are not "judging" people, but way to go as twisting the truth to make it sound catchy and clever.
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Male 37,888

turdburglar,j [quote]"I fear gerry1of1 has turned to the dark side." [/quote]
I`ve always walked both sides of the street.
No, not girls! ewww!
I am conservative on some things, like abortion,
but I`m liberal on others topics, like same sex marriage.
I am all for a REAL national health care system {not ObamaCare} but I`m also pro-gun.

I make my mind up based on the topic, not by a party line that someone else told me to think.
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Male 36,388
@AuntieDaddy: Welcome to IAB! You make an excellent point!
Right > Need

I "NEED" to spout off 12X per day, but my "rights" as a Canadian say I can only do so 6X per day!
Woah is me!
Luckily I have the "wild west" o teh internets to aliviate my exasperations!
Oh noes! The "law" says I am a criminal! Teh thought police, they are everywhere!
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Male 69
XD my mind thought off the back "al qaeda made?? *looks at title* ahh, i see, liberals. LOL
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Male 143
It`s not up to the Government to tell me what, or how many of ANYTHING I should own. It`s none of their f***ing business. It`s like telling me how many houses or cars I can have. We need LESS governmental control, regulation, and intrusion in our lives.


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Male 6
I love it when someone says, "You only need X guns"... Last I checked it was a bill of RIGHTS not needs. That is like saying you only need to publish 5 things per year for your right to free speech to be fulfilled. For all of you wanting to take away guns from law abiding citizens I have a 2 part question… When will you stop trying to take away enumerated rights and when will you stop making new rights out of thin air?
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Male 1,793
i see what you did there... idiots..
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Male 689
btw, what use would you have for personally owning more that 4 guns? how about 4 per person in your household? i thought i gave this a high number but i must be mistaken. please point out a scenario where owning more than 4 would be a plus. besides a nationwide takeover that is. a decent rifle, a 22, a handgun and a shotgun. this would take care of all your "gun needs" in any given circumstance but please tell me why this is wrong. the only thing owning more that this tells me is that you are either 1, a nut job that plans on going on a rampage or 2, a collector that appreciates old weapons. the first need to be taken care of before something bad happens and the second needs to let others know why these guns are so valuable(by putting them on display).
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Male 689
and all of this talk about crazy people and criminals not being able to buy. everyone starts out as a law abiding citizen. so everyone has the chance to purchase at one point or another in their lives. the least we could do is limit the amount of damage done. just today i have seen guns for sale at garage sales and on facebook. this happens all the time. why cant that be regulated? ive seen kits at gun shows that turn your harmless ar-15 full-auto and they can sell these to anyone without a background check. something needs to change. there is no oversite who can get these guns, you cant even look up how many lives have been taken with them(its against the law for the government to figure out). this is all thanks to your friendly republican lawmakers. but no you are right, freedom before public safety, its done wonder so far.
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Male 459
I do judge the first group... I believe them when they say that Islam is generally a peaceful religion, But I do not think that the moderate Muslims do enough to try to silence and discredit the nut-jobs. When the Australian clerics say something offensive or inflammatory, the only thing we hear is `we are not all violent` or `we do not all believe that`. For me, that`s not enough, I don`t know the rules of their religion, but I`d prefer these ignorant douchebags removed from power and disowned, and their rantings discredited by the wider muslim community. Dangerous hatemongers have no place at the head of a `peaceful` religion.
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Male 689
for the rest of you - this type of action would in no way be unconstitutional. the government would pay the exact amount for the gun, with proof of receipt. this would be done with a buy back program. after that if you are caught in possession of one they would still offer to repay providing receipt of purchase or they would simply confiscate. after that they would be melted down and turned into something of real value. i dont get what the problem is. do you really think that the government is going to just on day turn on you and we will be a dictatorship? or are you afraid that if you give up your assault rifle you cannot keep the commies at bay. there are literally hundreds of other types of guns that do not fit this ban. everyone of them can be used to hunt or protect, but no thats not enough for you. you need something that can be easily turned full auto, just in case. why dont you just go back down into your bunker, we will let you know when its safe to come out.
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Male 689
turdburgler- did you even realize YOU are in my generation?

inversegrav - that is my point. make them so that they are only worth sentimental value. or for the teaching on how brutal the past was.

5cats and megrendal - yas you could make a gun of just about anything. but the idea was to take away the immediate use of the gun. it would take quite a lot of work to re-drill out an entire barrel and make/fix a triggering system. and if you did have enough of a reason to do so then i could reasonably assume you had a reason for it, such as a mass shooting. also doing this would greatly reduce the amount of prefabbed units. btw, i have a life outside of IMB so sorry that my counter-argument was postponed.

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Female 1,803
"I highly doubt that what lauriloo considers `reasonable` would be found reasonable to any sane person with common sense. "

Really? Requiring EVERYONE buying a gun to be screened for mental issues and a criminal background is unreasonable? Not letting people have mega magazines and the same weapons the military has is unreasonable? THAT`S your problem. Common sense is a mystery to you. Your thinking is the equivalent of using dynamite to unclog a toilet.
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Male 4,893

I fear gerry1of1 has turned to the dark side. I realize the opinions and thoughts haven`t changed. It`s the labeling everything you disagree with as "liberal" that I refer to. It`s a sad day when a good guy turns dark.
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Male 1,471
It`s not judgmental if it`s a statement of fact. Keeping guns away from people who are unfit to handle them, either because of being incompetent or insane, is in everyone`s interest..
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Male 1,745
You guys realize you are around and pass by guns all the time and nothing bad happens because the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners.

The same is true of Muslims, though in the US you probably pass more gun owners than Muslims. Everyone needs to chill out.
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Male 2,160
why don`t we all just quit whining about wanting freedoms we may or may not use being taken away and remember for a moment that we can slip and fall in the shower and snap our necks or die in any number of idiot ways any day of the week? plus that eventually we´re all dead anyways and that currently there is drat all we can do about that crushing fact besides come to terms with it.
then maybe everyone can go back to going outside and just living while we have the chance instead of squealing like piggies at every sharp corner or shadow on the wall that we see.
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Male 1,745
Gerry, do you feel humans are a species that have sex for pleasure and not solely for making babies.
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Male 7,339
lauriloo-"If you gun people were reasonable,"

See, to idiots, `reasonable` is full capitulation.

I highly doubt that what lauriloo considers `reasonable` would be found reasonable to any sane person with common sense.
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Male 2,549
That`s a total lie! I don`t judge gun activists because of school shooters! I don`t judge the second amendment because of gun activists and I don`t judge the second amendment because the reason for and interpretation of it has been a matter of debate since it`s inception...sort of like religion...ah, it`s come `round full circle.
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Male 1,293
lauriloo

Sometimes the threat is very real

http://bit.ly/15Ffzjt
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Male 37,888

lauriloo - [quote]"DEFINITELY never be in the situation of being a woman who is facing immediate poverty by having an unplanned pregnancy" [/quote]
1st, I don`t think that`s the scenareo for most abortions. How about it`s just too damn inconvenient to have the baby they made.

2nd, Unplanned? Hetero sex is the process of making a baby. How can it be "unplanned" when they went to all that effort to make the baby? That`s like saying "I painted the wall but I didn`t know it would change the color of the wall!" What do people think will happen when they engage in Procreation?

Oh, but we don`t want to face the consequences of our actions do we. That`d be way to adult. If she doesn`t want to keep it there are lots of gay couples who`d love to adopt the child.
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Male 37,888

[quote]"So, Gerry, you believe liberals like abortions? That they encourage them? That they want there to be the need for even a single abortion?" [/quote]
Wow. Read a whole lot into that picture didnt`cha.
Oh well, no need to even go any further.
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Male 58
no
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Male 3,894
One is a culture full of normal people with a lunatic fringe, the other is an issue of legal standing related to the accessibility of weapons.

Apples, oranges, same thing right?
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Male 1,293
"...there is constant danger they have to defend themselves from and any small change in gun laws means the gov is trying to take ALL the guns away"

Given that this is exactly what many of those involved in pushing those "small" contraventions of the Constitution say they plan to do, that is not entirely unreasonable. It is not paranoia if they are caught secretly telling their supporters that they are out to get you.
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Male 1,293
lauriloo

So the problem with the 2nd amendment-supporting right is the left-wing stereotyping of them? Only it appears that you are naive and stupid enough to believe that bigoted propaganda.
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Male 1,293
jops

"to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous"

Who are you to say that? You really are a typical lefty arrogant fool aren`t you?
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Male 1,293
Patchouly

"The fact that both 5Cats and CrakrJak think this is an accurate portrayal shows just how diluted and sheltered they are, from the real world. Not a big surprise really."

Hmmm, given that it is entirely accurate, and you appear to be unable to put forth even the most pathetic argument that it is not, just a bleating whine (as usual from the left when they are caught our in hypocrisy).
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Female 1,803
The thing that makes pro-gun people look crazy is their insistence on everything being in the extreme. To them, there is constant danger they have to defend themselves from and any small change in gun laws means the gov is trying to take ALL the guns away. If you gun people were reasonable, other people would listen to what you have to say.
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Male 1,293
gigs1890

Then you are a complete idiot.

Given that they at least have some common aims it is far more reasonable to connect Muslims to Islamic terrorism. Note that of those committing notorious gun murders in the US that have a political agenda it tends to agree with those advocating gun control, up to the point of actual shout outs to gun-control advocates.
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Male 7,339
jops360-"but to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous"

To have such an asanine opinion is just ridiculous.

jops360-"Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable."

There is only ONE way to make them `perminatly` unfireable: melting them down to slag.

You seem to think that guns are complicated to manufacture and/or repair. A gun can be made out of materials found in a junkyard with tools found in most men`s shop.

In fact, there`s no part of the gun that you can alter and/or outlaw that can`t be manufactured by anyone with just a little intelligence (that eliminated you).

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Male 7,339
New_Guy-"why do you need a gun when you have a police force to take care of you."

Maybe because the police force is not able to protect you. And in the US, the courts have ruled that they don`t have the responsibility to protect you, either.

The Police Force`s job (for the most part) is to write tickets and fill out paperwork on crimes that have already been commited.
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Male 26
Of course, all you have to do to `explain conservative logic` is switch the sets of pictures, with the same captions.
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Male 36,388
The fact that both @patchouly and @jops360 have no counter-arguement and insted blather on about nothing or hurl insults? Proves this to be accurate.

Par for the liberal course.

"rendered inoperative" "A couple of welds should do it"
You are an idiot. You have NO IDEA what you`re talking about. Please to be quite. K-thx!
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Male 32
don`t judge muslims because of terrorists, do judge people wanting guns everywhere because of people using those guns to terrorise? seems reasonable to me.
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Male 770
jops-
if you alter the thing. It`s value is ruined.
Can you collect comic books if you make them unreadable?
What happens to the value of antiques if you paint over them?
Make a gun unfireable it is not of any value anymore and therefore not collectable.
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HEY! I just got the point of what you are after!
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Male 4,893

jops360....That is possibly the most idiotic, retarded, pussiest, pussy thing I`ve heard in a long time. Not to mention it`s impossible to do without surrendering nearly all your freedoms this country was built on. Next time you feel like you have a good idea, go taste some antifreeze instead. Pussy. P.S. your generation is the stupidest ever.
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Male 4,746
The fact that both 5Cats and CrakrJak think this is an accurate portrayal shows just how diluted and sheltered they are, from the real world. Not a big surprise really.
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Male 689
a couple of well placed welds would do the trick
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Male 689
zbd -
why is it not realistic? Do museums keep fireable weapons on display?
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Male 689
not all Muslims are alcidea, just like all republicans are not crazy, gun-toting rednecks with a false sense of patriotism. But people who go out of their way to to show that they think this way prove that they are in this group. Just like Muslims who shout about the downfall of the us while shooting guns in the air should be in the terrorist group. You guys have word for this type of grouping, its called profiling. And you seem to be just fine with it. So why all of a sudden are you mad that it is being used? I guess you just don`t like when it is used on your kind
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Male 613
**Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable**

Oh yea jops360 that`s realistic.
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Male 7,123
Is that my only option? Who made the rules? Not playing.
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Male 689
I say put a ban on all of the guns that could be easily turned full auto. Stop selling them and if anyone is found with one take it. If they can produce a reciept of purchase then refund the money, they could also do an initial buyback. Collectors could keep their gun as long as the guns are made perminatly unfireable. Granted this would cause a stir but there are plenty of alternatives for gun ownership. Btw, I also say they should do this with handguns. Let people carry knives.
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Male 7,775
The crazy shooters all have bad hair issues. I knew there would be a pattern in there somewhere.
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Male 17,512
Yup, that picture is dead on.
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Male 689
personal defence and a personal arsenal are two completely different things. Yes people should be able to own a gun, but to own more than say 4 is just ridiculous. On top of that, why does anyone need an army style gun? Ar-15 is not ment for home defence unless you are considering a oncoming mob. Rifles of any variety suck in a confined space such as a home. Ask any person who knows and they will always say a shotgun is the way to go.
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Male 5,190
Same tards are going to argue about the same thing.

And said tards will not change their opinion. Ever.

The other tards will still try though.

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Female 3,562
Last I checked, terrorism isn`t legal. Also, shooting a crowd full of innocent people isn`t legal either. As a result, we`re at war with terrorists and we prevent gun violence. This isn`t about judging, it`s about preventing the problem, and pretending we don`t have a gun problem isn`t going to help.
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Male 22
Liberals and Democrats are the downfall of America. We may as well resurrect Stalin and Mao. At least they didn`t have Downs Syndrome like Obama.
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Male 282
So then. since conservative frequently argue that you should judge all Muslims on the actions of a few I guess they they have no problem with enacting gun control in order to stay logically consistent? Amazing! I thought I`d never see the day those two sides agreed on anything!
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Female 1,803
@Gerry- as a gay man who would DEFINITELY never be in the situation of being a woman who is facing immediate poverty by having an unplanned pregnancy, you might want to bow out of the abortion argument. Liberals recognize an aborted baby as a life. If a fertilized egg could be extracted from a woman, brought to term by an agency at their expense and then adopted out, I`m sure most women would choose that option. But when faced with the medical and economic burdens an unwanted pregnancy brings, they are forced to take actions they wish they never had to take. Abortion isn`t so much a choice as a last resort.
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Male 2,199
why cant human beings have their own opinions and thoughts without being categorized into 1 of 2 different polarized parties? are we this all really this simple minded?
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Male 36,388
Yup! 100% accurate!

"Sometimes I`ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Lewis Carroll - Alice In Wonderland
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Male 84
Interesting post, I won`t lie. I never really saw it from this angle and I don`t have an immediately prepared response.
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Male 4,431
So, Gerry, you believe liberals like abortions? That they encourage them? That they want there to be the need for even a single abortion? Oh well. No need to even go any farther.
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Male 4,746
Not even close.
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Male 13,624
Just afore puts coat on,

Gerry1of1

Pretty much cuts it good buddy
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Male 13,624
Oh lord another long winded impossible debate
between flamers
*gets coat*
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Male 37,888
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Male 2,578
SmugBoy, most people agree with background checks, etc. Bill O`Reilly does, for instance. Yes, that racist bigot you presumably hate.

More people would like to confiscate guns than you think. I`ve been to college, I know the people there and what they think. I`ve been to the Ivy League, Obama`s Alma Mater. I know how these people think. It`s not so ridiculous that people would be concerned about the erosion of the 2nd amendment. Don`t be weird.
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Male 2,578
And Aquaeous, using gun laws as the only variable in the amount of crime in a society is so woefully shortsighted. Firstly, the crime in the US is very regional, many states have UK murder rates and guns coexisted (imagine), while Louisiana is like Mexico.


And here`s a graph to disprove the grass-is-always-greender-in-Europe idea. That line spiking is the British crime rate after 1998.

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Male 4,431
Ah, I see, it`s dumb-ass false equivalency day! No one is "judging" gun owners. And almost no one is calling for bans on guns. What almost all "liberals" are asking for is reasonable controls. Reasonable restrictions that would allow for better or "well regulated" control in order to limit criminals and those who might do harm access. That`s no different than the limits and controls being put on air travel, communications, etc., due to OBL and AQ, etc. So, let`s not act like it`s the liberals who are being inconsistent here.
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Male 2,578
New Guy, try living in a place away from the city where the nearest cop is 30-45 minutes away. At night, who knows what the response would be. In a state like Wyoming, New Mexico or West Texas, you are responsible for your own defense. Even in a populated area, you wouldn`t have 5-10 minutes to spare.


And you also used the phrase "police force to take care of you". This highlights the mentality that many Americans do not want to adopt. Many Americans believe that the government`s primary job, and especially the police, is not to "take care" of us. That makes it sound like we are subordinate to it when we shouldn`t be.
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Male 425
What`s "judging" got to do with the gun control debate?

The statistics speak for themselves; the US has a significant problem with gun crime. I see nothing incompatible about the idea of stricter background checks on infringing the second amendment, which itself is somewhat beyond the shelf life of its original purpose.
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Male 140
"Liberals" and "Conservatives" - all the same. Everyone wants it both ways.
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Male 406
Again the point of it all has been twisted...
It not guns are bad but why do you need a gun when you have a police force to take care of you. (I know that there is a big deference between Eu and the us.) Its not "sick people kill with guns" but "guns kill" (Yea you can use them as a beer opener or a hammer but lets get real! ITS NOT A TOOL!). Religion on the other hand kills only when it is made into something it is not.
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Female 1,803
Actually, I judge gun nuts by gun nuts I see on tv and in person. You know, the people in the protest pic. I listen to logic, not crazy.
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Male 2,578
A better one would highlight their defense of Islam and the disdain for Christianity among many of them, even though the average Muslim is waaaaaaay more homophobic than the average Christian.
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Male 2,362
:-)
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Male 23
Simple question;

Would you give guns to people in the first picture?
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Female 8,044
Link: Explain How Liberal Logic Works [Pic] [Rate Link] - Does it go something like this?
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