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37 Responses to Dem Rep Joe Salazar Says: Girls Don`t Need Guns!

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    Link: Dem Rep Joe Salazar Says: Girls Don`t Need Guns! - To avoid rape? Just stay in the ``safe zones``! Duh! No need for girls to pack heat in Colorado.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    All manner of idiot statistics being bandied about regarding these issues (not just in this video, but in the whole discussion). And on both sides of the issue. Oh well. But, for the record, this argument by this idiot? Idiotic.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    SmugBoy
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    I agree with him. College students are way too immature intellectually and emotionally to handle the responsibility of potentially taking someone`s life. College students can`t handle less stressful things like drinking, driving safely, not using fist fights to resolve disputes, going to class when you`re supposed to, etc. WHY would we give them guns? There are plenty of things girls should do to avoid being raped on campus. Number one, don`t get so drunk you can`t think straight and number two, don`t be too meek to say NO when a guy tries to get you to go alone with him somewhere, number three, travel in groups at night whenever possible.
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    paco664 Male 40-49
    159 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    nice job electing that dumbass colorado....

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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    How many times has a woman shot someone she mistakenly deemed a threat? I`ve never heard of a single incident.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    @SmagBoy1: This has to be the stupidest thing I`ve seen a gun-grabber come up with. And yet another Democrat came up later and agreed with him! Saying "judo" works just as well as a gun... ffs!

    @lauriloo: Call boxes? Safe Zones? Whistles? The question is: do students have a RIGHT to legally carry a firearm on campus (in Colorado state). This CLOWN says they don`t! All they need is a whistle to keep them safe.
    21 year olds aren`t "mature" yet? 18 year old men and women in COMBAT, but not allowed to legally carry a pistol to defend themselves?

    He then "doubles down" and says: Girls might be on their period and "pop" somebody by mistake. That`s the message I heard!

    So who has the right to DENY a girl her RIGHT to self-defence? Eh? Democrats, apparently...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    lauriloo-"College students are way too immature intellectually and emotionally to handle the responsibility of potentially taking someone`s life."

    Check the age requirements for joining the military.

    lauriloo-"students can`t handle less stressful things like drinking, driving safely,"

    And yet we let `kids` of that age drive tanks, planes and missle launchers....go fig.

    lauriloo-"WHY would we give them guns?"

    Yes. Why?



    (btw...you just made an ass of yourself. Please, continue to demonstrate your ignorance.)
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm
    "Check the age requirements for joining the military."

    Well, if college students were required to go through military basic training in order to have a gun and they only have a gun when they are surrounded by actual bad guys with guns on a routine basis, and they never have a gun on them when they are drinking, you might have a point. I`d love to see the stats on the number of friendly fire incidents there have been and who probably did it.

    "How many times has a woman shot someone she mistakenly deemed a threat? I`ve never heard of a single incident."

    Because most girls don`t carry guns. Funny how not having guns leads to a lack of accidental shooting...
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 2:44 pm
    5Cats, most Dems/Liberals are not "gun grabbers". Most are asking for reasonable safety controls. Most are not asking for bans. That`s just far right wing nutjobbery fantasy. Like I said in my original post, lots of idiots on both sides of this issue. We shouldn`t make it worse by misrepresenting the issues.
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    Lillim Female 30-39
    269 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm
    @ Lauriloo: You ARE required to go through basic firearm safety training and prove that you can reliably hit a target before they issue you a carry concealed permit; I would know, I`ve done so.

    As far as the argument about you should only be able to carry a gun when you are routinely surrounded by bad guys? Funny thing... bad guys don`t advertise that they`re bad guys until they`re doing something bad to you, there`s no time to say "oh whoops, hang on, let me go home and get my gun."

    I`d also like to challenge your belief that most women don`t carry guns. There are a huge number of groups to support, encourage, and assist female shooters. Moreover, women are less likely to flaunt or mention the fact that they`re carrying, because we don`t feel the need to brag about it to boost our ego. No-one, not even my friends, know when I`m carrying, because it`s none of their business. Just because you may not know women who do, doesn`t mean that we don`t exist.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    lauriloo-"Well, if college students were required to go through military basic training"

    As soon as you earn a Master`s degree in Communications before you are allowed to use a computer.

    (btw...you`re making a bigger ass of yourself. keep it up.)

    lauriloo-"Because most girls don`t carry guns."

    The numbers of women that carry guns is higher than you think. If you actually knew the number you`d probably wet your panties more than you already do.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31789 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    @Lillim: Nicely said!

    @SmagBoy: Dianne Feinstein: Wants to take guns away from US Citizens, and thinks it`s OK to drop drones on US Citizens without a warrent.

    You keep repeating that lie: "resonable safety controls" but that`s all it is, a bare-faced lie.

    WHO says it`s "reasonable"? If the majority think so? Then put it to a vote!

    What size magazine is "reasonable"?
    30? 20? 15? 12? 10? 6? 3? 1?

    All the "proposed laws" are about -restricting- and NOT about -safety- at all. The Democrats even admit this! Did you watch Joe "The Sherriff" Biden`s video?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    He has a point. If a girl goes into a bar she totally deserves for some stranger to spike her drink and rape her. She jumped in the path of that bullet!

    He has a point... it`s a stupid, dumbass point, but it`s still apoint.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm
    @MeGrendel you can insult me all you want, it just makes you look bad. Last time I checked, I can`t kill someone with my computer so why do I need training to use it? If I can`t use my computer properly, I`m the only one that suffers.

    The sad part of this argument is that stranger rape isn`t a huge problem at most college campuses so this issue is just more pro-gun people creating a danger that really doesn`t exist to try to create a reason for more people to have guns. Fear mongering is the pro-gun people`s go-to. When in doubt, warn against zombie apocalypse.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    "I`d also like to challenge your belief that most women don`t carry guns."

    Most PEOPLE don`t have guns so it would follow that most women don`t have guns, let alone carry them on their persons every day. Simple logic. But if you like to believe you aren`t part of a very small group, go ahead and delude yourself.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm
    If someone could lay out the fantasy scenario where a girl in the process of being raped could get at a gun in her purse to kill the guy, I`d love to hear. In order for a gun to be a reasonable means of protection, the user has to have some alone time to prepare to shoot. Getting jumped from behind isn`t a situation a gun could help. BUT, you could provide a weapon for the guy to use against you when he has you subdued so congrats on that.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    women and guns
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    @lauriloo

    I might suggest watching the first video on that link for both an example you ask for and how much gun ownership amongst women has risen in the past 5 or 6 years.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm
    lauriloo-"you can insult me all you want"

    Pointing out that your asanine statements are asanine is not insulting, just informing your of your ignorance in hopes that you`ll try and educate yourself.

    lauriloo-"If I can`t use my computer properly, I`m the only one that suffers."

    Believe me, we`re ALL suffering.

    lauriloo-"stranger rape isn`t a huge problem at most college campuses"

    A college campus is one of the likelist places a woman can get raped.

    lauriloo-"fantasy scenario where a girl in the process of being raped could get at a gun"

    It`s called `Research`

    Try it sometime.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 6:08 pm
    @MeGrendel

    Hell that`s an even better example than what I found. I`m guessing like me though it took all of a few minutes to find. Funny isn`t it?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31789 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    A college campus is one of the likelist places a woman can get raped.
    @MeGrendel: Then females should never go to University! Easy-peasy! Those sluts are just "asking for it" eh?

    @lauriloo: You`re missing the point here: This Democrat is saying that "IF" girls start carrying guns a lot of innocent guys will "get popped".
    BUT!
    They already CAN carry guns, the debate is to STOP THEM from doing so.
    HE SAYS that all a girl needs to do to avoid rape is "stay in safe zones" and to "carry a whistle".
    Do YOU agree with him?
    Or perhaps you agree that a WOMAN should have a CHOICE in how to defend herself? That the State shouldn`t TELL HER how to live her life?
    Right?

    Pro-abortion but anti-choice? Say it ain`t so @lauriloo!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 6:58 pm
    5Cats-"Then females should never go to University! Easy-peasy! Those sluts are just "asking for it" eh?"

    I did not say that, or even infer it.

    When virtually every major college has installed `Emergency Call Boxes` (also know as `Rape Lights`), you can`t come to any other conclusion that there is a rape problem at colleges.

    I wish it weren`t so, but lauriloo`s idiotic comment that `rape isn`t a huge problem at most college campuses` is laughably easy to disprove.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    Having worked security on a local college campus I can pretty much confirm it`s an issue.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    Stats for you:

    Stats

    Excerpts:

    80-90% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by individuals known to the survivor.

    In a survey of students at 171 institutions of higher education, alcohol was involved in 74% of all sexual assaults.

    Few girls get raped by a random boogie man finding them walking back to the dorm and jumping on them. These are fellow classmates or ex-boyfriends who meet up with them at a party and the girl is too wasted to think clearly. Hence my comment that girls need to stop incapacitating themselves and making themselves vulnerable. Unlike most of you arguing with me, I was ACTUALLY a college girl at some point so I know a little bit about how to protect myself in this situation.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    Oh and MeGrendel- maybe you can pick a news story that has actual details in it like how old she was (how mature) whether the woman knew the rapist and how she got the gun and how long he had her in the house. One in a million instance doesn`t mean every 20 year old girl is going to successfully shoot a rapist. She`s far more likely to get shot than shoot.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    You know what would lower rapes on campus?

    1. Less drinking/drugging by everyone, but especially girls
    2. Guys being raised to have respect for girls
    3. Decent guys stepping in when they see a girl getting taken advantage of and stopping it (that`s what saved me at my first college party before I learned how guys can be).

    More guns on campus just mean more dead kids and people who now have to live with killing someone, probably someone they knew.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31789 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:13 pm
    I did not say that, or even infer it.
    I SINCERELY apologise @MeGrendel!
    I thought about including a "sarc" tag, but figured it was so "over the top" it wouldn`t be neccessary.
    It was! I`m sorry! I was being sarcastic! MY bad! And I mean it, MY bad!

    You know what would lower rapes on campus?
    @lauriloo: Banning alcohol?
    Look how well that worked before!
    Oh, wait... it was a disaster...
    But lets do it again anyhow!
    NOT sarcastic: Lets ban alcohol! Just like pot!Hooray!
    (/sarc)
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm
    An update to your rape article:

    not what it might be

    Sounds sketchy to me. The guy might have been totally innocent and got shot by a runaway. We don`t know and he`s not alive to defend himself.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:22 pm
    " Banning alcohol? Look how well that worked before! "

    Great example of gun people`s black and white hyperbole thinking. Did I say ban alcohol? College kids are usually under 21 and illegal to drink, right? Actually, I was suggesting that girls protect themselves by not getting wasted but your paranoia took it all the way to prohibition. You guys are certifiable.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31789 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    @lauriloo: Please to explain how restricting girls from carrying concealed pistols will REDUCE rape?

    I await your reply with baited breath...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    More Information

    Vomiting? Disease? Judo? wtf?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 23, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    lauriloo-"80-90% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by individuals known to the survivor. "

    I don`t care if they know them or not. I have no problem with ANY rapist getting shot. Preferably in the Johnson.

    lauriloo-"More guns on campus just mean more dead kids"

    See, that`s your OPINION. It does not necessarily follow that it is fact.

    Getting back to the video: Given the women who WISH to carry a gun the CHOICE to (you ARE pro-choice, right?) is a much better solution that this dipwad came up with.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    February 23, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    The saddest thing is, he`s not really any dumber than the other liberal gun-control advocates. He just doesn`t know when to shut up.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2510 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 5:15 am
    So what happens when a woman shoots a man on the streets and tells the cops, when they arrive "I was just preventing him from raping me"?

    Retarded gun fanatics don`t see the stupidity behind allowing people to use guns as preventative crime measures. For example, after the crashing of Lynard Skynard`s plane, Artimus Pyle, who was wounded, walked to a nearby farm and was then shot in the shoulder by the farmer. It`s this kind of trigger happy "shoot first and ask questions later" bullshyt that I find intolerable, but seems to actually be promoted by conservative gun fanatics.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 7:25 am
    RobSwindol-"So what happens when a woman shoots a man on the streets and tells the cops, when they arrive "I was just preventing him from raping me"?"

    Just like any other crime, she would have prove that it was, in fact, self-defense.

    So, YOU consider a raped woman morally superior to woman who has just stopped the rapist. Gotcha, you can now be ignored.
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    Kickan Male 18-29
    243 posts
    February 24, 2013 at 9:16 am
    I-A-B used to be a fun place, now its mostly discusting propaganda against gun control. I dont come here for politics. Keep to the fun stuff.

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