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96 Responses to Cops Torch Cabin In Christopher Dorner Stand Off

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 13, 2013 at 8:36 am
    Link: Cops Torch Cabin In Christopher Dorner Stand Off - Cops gave orders to set the fire. Should police have tried to `take him alive` so he could stand trial for his crimes?
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
    If the 3rd video, that confirms a body was found in the cabin, will not load for you here is that video
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:03 am
    I`m a little angry at you I-A-B Mods... I live in Irvine, two freeway exits from where he killed the first couple... we`ve been watching the news... NO ONE SAID THE COPS GAVE THE ORDER TO BURN THE CABIN!!!! Why are you trying to make the cops look bad?!?!? He threw a smoke grenade at them, and the police ordered a tear gas grenade be thrown in... either the tear gas grenade set the fire due to propane leak, or Dorner DID IT HIMSELF... NO COP ORDERED THE BURNING OF THE CABIN
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
    "Should police have tried to `take him alive` so he could stand trial for his crimes?"
    Are you kidding me? That is USA...first shoot and after ask.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:06 am
    Think about it though, if you didn`t want someone to speak against you what better way to prevent it than by burning the evidence.

    Then again, that`s just wild conspiracy theory speaking and this story is chock full of ideas of for the tin hatters.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:12 am
    Really, piperfawn?

    Ok, they should send you up to the door of a guy who is holed up and shooting at you and your buddies. Maybe if you ask him nicely to stop, he`ll surrender. Moron.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Phosphoreign did you listen to the first 2 videos?
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:13 am
    "NO COP ORDERED THE BURNING OF THE CABIN"

    except for in the second video when he said multiple times:

    "BURN THAT dratING HOUSE DOWN!"

    but maybe i miss heard him...
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:15 am
    "Ok, they should send you up to the door of a guy who is holed up and shooting at you and your buddies. Maybe if you ask him nicely to stop, he`ll surrender. Moron."

    they didnt want him to surrender. when they first talked to him on the loudspeakers they told him to "Surrender or come out!"

    why couldn`t he do both?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:15 am
    Kegomatix a man alone trapped inside an house versus an army of police officiers and well trained special forces with all kind of weapons,helicopters,dogs and so on...omg he is sooooo scary! Run for your life!!!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:16 am

    It was obvious from the way they`ve been shooting up Los Angeles that the cops had no intention of taking this guy alive. I sit wrong? Yes.

    I feel bad for the home owner. She`s now homeless.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:18 am
    Gerry1of1: don`t worry it was a second home :| you don`t have to worry for the LAPD either they`ve done an EXCELLENT job making sure we all know that this isn`t in their jurisdiction. so whoevers jurisdiction it IS in will have to pay to replace the home.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:20 am
    @Phosphoreign: Here`s an article describing the videos. It looks like they pulled a wall down and then set the place on fire.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:21 am
    ok guys lets lay off of Phosphoreign...im sure he gets it now...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:26 am
    We should`ve called up piperfawn he could`ve gotten it done all by himself. Probably with the overpowwering stench of garlic.
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    Smutleybutt Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:37 am
    I have been following the news and it seemed it was the quickest stand off ever. Did the police even attempt to negotiate a surrender? I haven`t heard and news of negotiations at all.

    It seems they went straight for the kill and burned him in the house.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:38 am
    shoot him burn him...whatever his crazy a$$ deserved it.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:46 am
    a burner = tear gas

    They didn`t do it on purpose.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I will doubt that anybody realy wanted the guy alive to see trial. The point here is that it is not the police officers job to convict and execute criminals. They had the place surrounded. They didn`t waste any time torching the place. That doesn`t sound like standard procedure. If they are going to enforce the laws, they damn well better follow the laws themselves.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:51 am
    ideally he should have been taken alive, but if he was determined to continue killing, as seems to have been the case, then he chose his own fate.

    There is a limit to how delicate people will be with your well-being if you are actively trying to kill them.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:51 am
    every one knows the guy did it. let him burn and save a million dollars on a trial and life in prison.
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    Smutleybutt Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:54 am
    @Tekinette Everybody that`s ever used a smoke or tear gas grenade knows they start fires. It`s not like it`s a rare event. I`ve seen a smoke grenade end up at the base of a damn tree stump and light the stump on fire.

    You send 7 of these into a house with carpeting you`re essentially trying to burn the house down.

    So it seems that "burners" are created to, well, "burn" things.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:55 am
    "a burner = tear gas

    They didn`t do it on purpose."

    did YOU not watch the videos? maybe over there in the big E a burner is tear gas but last time i checked a burner HERE could be a flare, a gun, or something that ISN`T tear gas. tear gas has that one small explosion when it first goes off. if there isn`t something like a gas leak (as a gas or a liquid which would cause a full on explosion instead of a fire.) NOTHING is going to catch fire.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:58 am
    "a burner = tear gas"

    Actually, that`s not totally true. They have the option to use a non-flammable type. Anyway, they clearly state their intention to ignite the house in those clips.
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    Izroth Female 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 10:59 am
    Have any of you seen this?.?.?.

    Chris Dorner`s Manifesto - possibly the truth behind the killings

    If this reads true, some peple in very high placs have some explaining to do...wonder why they torched him and didn`t negotiate?? Because he was a witness to a lot misjustice, he tried to do the right thing but was fired, alienated and bullied because of it, I believe he felt this was the only way to bring attention to what he was fighting for. Sad, very sad!!!
    I am not saying what he did was justified, but he felt he had no other recourse to bring awareness about the corruption that he witnessed more than once.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Gerry, everyone who owns one of those little cabins up in big bear live somewhere else.

    I`m glad they killed him. It`ll save the tax payers money.
    If cops are getting shot and killed, they should shoot only take him if he surrenders himself.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:06 am
    lets hope this is an end to it. Set up an investigation by an independant body , but if this guy was actually a vigilante he would not have shot the innocent family of those he accused. an investigation must be done so that rumours can be laid to rest, get someone from outside to do it, and then be quiet.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:13 am
    He`s still alive.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:16 am
    AJ i cant remember the last time i agreed with you on something.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:16 am
    And this is why Americans need to be armed- our government, our federal internal security agencies and our various civil policing agencies are taking an increasingly suppressive and violent tack.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Just because this guy was a psychopathic murderer, doesn`t mean his allegations weren`t true. Police corruption is a VERY VERY serious and important issue IMO. Personally, I would have liked seen him captured, hear his side of the story and then killed him. Saving a few bucks in court costs and jail is nice, but in this case worth it. All of his accusations will now become and remain conspiracy theorys.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:25 am
    @piperfawn: He KILLED a cop THAT DAY! So YES he is indeed "scary" ok?

    Jeez Louise! How many people does one have to MURDER before you`re considered "scary" in Europe?

    He`s proven to be a "cop killer" and burning him out was the best possible solution (since he HAD his chance to surrender, all that time, and refused to, eh?).
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Izroth,

    The LAPD do not come out of this looking good, but bear in mind his first act was to murder the daughter of someone he had a grudge against.

    At that moment, screw him and any claim he might have had to a just cause. Perhaps there was a push to kill him rather than take him alive because of what he knew. It`s unfortunate that we`ll never know that, but if you go on a killing spree and choose to shoot it out when surrounded that`s suicide by cop.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:33 am
    And this is why Americans need to be armed- our government, our federal internal security agencies and our various civil policing agencies are taking an increasingly suppressive and violent tack.
    So...you need to be armed so that you can be burned alive? I don`t quite follow...
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:37 am
    "And this is why Americans need to be armed- our government, our federal internal security agencies and our various civil policing agencies are taking an increasingly suppressive and violent tack."

    if people are going to be armed they only need a hand gun. if you want to go hunting then go rent a rifle or something on a game reserve. if you want even bigger and badder guns join some type of service. guns are meant for protection. nothing more. nothing less. guns weren`t even used for hunting way back when so be a man, tough it out, and use a spear or something.
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    Sistarose Female 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:48 am
    They had him cornered, they could have waited him out. Clearly they had other options, they chose a BBQ. Let the conspiracy theories flow and the spin go crazy.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:54 am

    tatripp "everyone who owns one of those little cabins up in big bear live somewhere else"
    Not everyone. There are locals that live there year round, and others have retired there permanently. Even if she does have another house, the police just torched a prime property. And because they were after a suspect they don`t have to pay for the damage.

    Dorner wanted to kill someone, he got what he wanted.
    Cops wanted to kill Dorner, they got what they wanted.
    Only loser is the owner of that pile of ashes.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    @Turdburglar:

    In a perfect world. In the real world, the boys in blue are often crooks with a badge and the long arm of the law backing them should they decide to simply kill you, as seems to be the case here.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    @collegebound


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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    i love you too McGovern :) i love you too.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    I`ve got to concur with McG


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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    @collegebound



    @reignblazer - agreed.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    I got so much crap for saying this yesterday, "Why do I get the sick feeling that the media and their helicopters were sent away so the police could guarantee this man will die."

    No I was not rooting for him like it was spun that I was, and no I am not a conspiracy theorist. I`m just a guy that trusts his gut instincts.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    collegebound-"if people are going to be armed they only need a hand gun."

    It`s not for you, nor anyone, to decide my need.

    collegebound-"rent a rifle or something on a game reserve."

    The vast majority of hunters do not hunt on a `game reserve`. But, please, continue to demonstrate your ignorance.

    Oh, at btw:

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    Izroth Female 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    @LordJim...The manifesto seems to suggest that he had more than a few reasons behind his actions. I am not sure who the daughter was that was killed but, if the girl was directly related to one of the people that is mentioned in the manifesto, maybe that is why he killed her, to make those who were directly connected, to the corruption or possibly someone that did nothing, suffer in one of the worse possible ways.
    I don`t justify his actions at all. But it doesn`t seem he snapped because he had a bad day at work and just started shooting at anyone, this seems to have been thought out.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    "The vast majority of hunters do not hunt on a `game reserve` "

    i never said they did.

    "It`s not for you, nor anyone, to decide my need."

    maybe so. but i stand by what i said.

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    collegebound-"but i stand by what i said. "

    So you stand by your ignorance?

    How quaint.

    Dumb, but quaint.

    Next, I`ll expect you to expound on the differences and advantages of the Keyhole Craniotomy vs the Extended Bifrontal Craniotomy. I mean, as you continue to offer your opinion on so many things you`re ignorant about...
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    Ahhh, they pulled out the "Waco Maneuver". I love the classics.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    markust123 - when I saw the title of this post, your comment yesterday was the first thing I thought about.
    I don`t think there would have been any situation where the police were gonna let this guy live to see trial.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    "I don`t think there would have been any situation where the police were gonna let this guy live to see trial."

    I didn`t either. We`ve had a few cop killer cases here in Seattle where multiple cops were killed. Don`t remember one ending well for the killer. I think the moral is if you want to remain alive don`t shoot a bunch of cops.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    Gerry1of1 Ohh so you are sayng that guns protect peoples? Now i understand why you had FOUR presidents in your country being assassinated,yes they were so safe with all that guns around.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm
    Yes Piperfawn, we should disarm the secret service. Then we`ll see how many dead presidents we end up with.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    piperfawn-"Now i understand why you had FOUR presidents in your country being assassinated"

    Four successfull, out of over 20 attempts. And some of those attempts failed becasue the President was protected by guns. *gasp*
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    MeGrendel ohh i see,but tell me... how this presidents where assassinated or nearly assassinated? Maybe with poison...nah, arrows...nah ,knives...wrong. Omg they were assassinated with guns. *GASP*
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    piperfawn-"how this presidents where assassinated or nearly assassinated?"

    An attempt was made on Harry S. Truman with a series of Letter Bombs.
    An attempt at John F. Kennedy was to be a dynamite laddein 1950 Buick.
    An attempt at Richard Nixon was by commercial airliner.
    An attempt at George H.W. Bush was by Car Bomb.
    Attempts at Bill Clinton were a Cesna and a Bridge Bomb.
    An attempt at George W. Bush was by a Soviet-made RGD-5 hand grenade.

    Your point?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    MeGrendel well you are just demostrating that there is nothing more letal than guns. Out of so many attempts only the ones with guns succeded,the others attempts with other methods failed. Hmm maybe with less guns around your president need less guns as protection...maybe.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Piperfawn - Guns have been in America since before it was America. There are more guns than there are Americans. We are less than 5 percent of the world population, yet posses nearly 50 percent of the worlds guns. The government doesn`t have records on where or who has them.
    In what magical world is it possible for there to be less guns? Everyone here keeps debating whether and what guns should be legal, but what is the point? The guns will still be out there. It is just lazy and delusional to say "You should have less guns. See how smart I am. I solved the problem."
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    turdburglar maybe if you start to stop selling guns so easily,maybe if you stop the permission to sell weapons at guns shows with ridicoulus controls,maybe if you stop selling bullets like candies your countries in some year( i don`t say tomorrow) will have less working ,updated and loaded guns around. Obviously if you don`t even try the situation will allways remain the same or even worst.
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    h4krChik Female 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Sounds like the cops decided to be judge, jury and executioner all in one. Dirty bastards.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    Wow piper...let`s review some history.

    Four American Presidents have been assassinated. The first three before the Secret began protecting the President. The last by a Marine sharp shooter over 250 feet away from a concealed position.

    Keep your useless drivel on your side of the ocean.
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    SoCal Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    f**k The LAPD. They shot two innocent ladies down my street. If anything they should be charged with attempted murder. It would have taken 10 seconds to realize their truck is blue and they were just delivering papers. I was scared to leave my house because I drive the same truck. Its a messed up world when you are afraid of the people who are supposed to protect you.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    DromEd wow and all were killed by insults right? Nah is not right,the first 3 were killed by guns and the fact secret was not there is irrilevant on my objections that in fact they were killed by guns, what kind of item use a sharpshooter? The generical name is...gun and obviously you can buy an SR in your country nowaday,in most of cases for hunting "motivation". Boom Boom nothingh you have said is against my reasoning.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    In fact we can clearly say that defence for your president was introduced right cause of guns. Fight guns with guns,is like the dog that chase his tail,the exact situation your country is living today...an endless circle of nonsense.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Piperfawn - I think the situation is just fine. I`m not the one who says things need to change. The news makes things seem scary here. I honestly don`t think the guns will just disappear eventually if they where to stop selling them at stores. In my gun safe there are a dozen old (but still working just fine) rifles, shotguns, and pistols that were handed down from gramps to my father and now to me. They don`t disappear. If you banned sales of ammo you would just create a black market. You may stop target shooters. No one ever shoots their last rounds unless they have reason. Plus, people serious about shooting load their own ammo.
    It seems the more you try to take them away, the tighter people hold on to them. Maybe after a few hundred years you might make a dent. Too many Americans love their guns.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    "Fight guns with guns."

    You raise a good point, we should fight guns with heavy artillery.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    .....PF said....Gerry1of1 Ohh so you are sayng that guns protect peoples? Now i understand why you had FOUR presidents in your country being assassinated,yes they were so safe with all that guns around.

    See now you`re moving the goal post. You began with the argument that responded to the pic with PBO surrounded by guns. Well the first three men had no such protection and the fourth in a situation where anything short of living in a bubble wouldn`t help. There were no guns to help them M`Kay. Your original statement makes no sense.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    DromEd i think you had a misunderstood and for sure is cause of my low english. I think you don`t have understood what i have so poorly said in the post you mention. Anyway was a kind of ironic sentence.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    turdburglar maybe is like you say and i am sure you have a better knowledge of the situation living there but...you say that nothing gonna change cause of black market. Well black market is illegal, not everybody can have acces to it or have the gut to risk so much being involved in an illegal purchase, you can allways be stopped by police before you achieve your sale on the black market and the quantity and variety of stuffs you can find is not so rich as in a legal gun shop. At the end in my opinion to compare an eventual sale ammount on black market with a clearly leagal sale ammount in a legal and authorized gun shop is not fair. For sure also with black market the quantity,variety and availability of stuff will never be the same as today with legal gun shops.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    "Next, I`ll expect you to expound on the differences and advantages of the Keyhole Craniotomy vs the Extended Bifrontal Craniotomy."

    that`s just silly. i have no idea what those things even are.

    it`s dumb to stand by my own personal opinion? so then if you are atheist is it dumb for you to be so? is it dumb for Gerry to think that boys are more sexual appealing than girls? is it dumb for republicants to be republicants and demorats to be demorats? admitedly i may have gone a bit too far, and i should have said "In my own personal opinion everyone only needs one handgun." but even still that should still have gone without saying.

    "as you continue to offer your opinion on so many things you`re ignorant about..."

    i give my opinion and then HOPEFULLY i learn later during that conversation the right facts so that maybe at the end of the day i wont be so ignorant. so yes, ill continue to give my opinion on things that i am ign
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    Is it just me or does it just drive you f*cking nuts when someone writes "M`Kay"?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    turdburglar second emendment give you right to have weapons but don`t say nothingh about bullets. Maybe if you start a massive control on bullets you can solve a bit the problem( i mean also not allowing self maded bullets or a precise count of bullets when someone go to shooting range) without infringing the emendment.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    ignorant of. i have no idea why it cut me off like that :|
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    Ouch you deleted the post i was answering.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    markust123 Who?
    M`Kay...i will search by myself ;-)
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Piper - Sure as hell doesn`t stop drug dealers, does it?
    Like I said, the guns are already out there. You might stop target shooters though, but no one ever shoots off the last of their ammo. They will always have some around if they really want to shoot someone. I personally know dozens of people who make their own ammo. BANNING GUNS WILL NOT WORK. It`s not hard to understand. Also, there`s the 2nd amendment, which means a ban won`t happen.
    It is delusional to say "You should have less guns. Problem solved."
    I know your heart is in the right place, but it`s a bit like trying to take sand away from Arabs or ice from Eskimos. A better bet is to take responsibility for ones own safety.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    "Ouch you deleted the post i was answering. "

    I had to fix the spelling.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    turdburglar so kind of you since my spelling ,grammar and english in general is like a vomit of a pig that have eaten some cow sh+t.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    @piperfawn: NO EUROPEAN leaders or Monarchs have EVER been assassinated, right? ffs, get off your "high horse" and read a history book!

    And yes, many were killed before guns were even invented! Julius Caeser ring a bell? 14 March 44BC...
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm
    5Cats yes 2 days after my birthday.
    Anyway i`m not on high horse,i`m just having a discussion and all is started with a picture related to an USA president surrounded by guns,that`s all.
    Ok if you find me so annoyng i`ll stop here and i will go to sleep, here is kinda late and my english reasoning is getting worse every second that pass. Have fun.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Yer english is more better than my Italian.
    I was just reading some of the comments I posted, and I know I was a bit rude in a couple spots there. I`m American. We tend to get fired up when it comes to our rights. I know you have good intentions when you say we should take away the guns. Personally, I think it`s the wrong idea. Oh well, I`m over it now. Good night.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
    425 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    The news reported locally to me says that the suspect started the fire, yet the police in the first video at 1:01 says "we`re gonna go ahed with the plan, go forward with the burn" "just like we talked about" and they all aknowledge it. Why would they set him on fire? why would they not exhume the body?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 13, 2013 at 7:54 pm
    No worries @piperfawn! I just started thinking of European leaders who`d been assassinated, and it was a MIGHTY LONG LIST!
    Kings, Queens, Popes, Presidents, Prime Ministers, you name it! By the hundreds! Of course European history is a bit longer than the USA`s...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5882 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    piperfawn-"stop the permission to sell weapons at guns shows with ridicoulus controls"

    The `Gun Show Loop-hole` is basically person-to-person sells, which you`ll never be able to regulate.

    piperfawn-"selling bullets like candies your countries in some year"

    Yes, because no one has the capability to re-load their own ammo. Hell, gun powder is so complex it`s only been around for a thousand years.

    piperfawn-"less working ,updated and loaded guns around"

    Yes, because no-one with basic tools would ever be able to repair/replace such complicated devices such as guns.

    piperfawn-"Well black market is illegal, not everybody can have acces to it"

    Speeding, Drugs and Murder are all illegal, and yet people still do it.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5882 posts
    February 13, 2013 at 10:59 pm
    piperfawn-"second emendment give you right to have weapons "

    No, Second Amendment RECOGNIZES that right, not grants it.

    piperfawn-"but don`t say nothingh about bullets"

    Ah, now I realize you`re just stupid.

    2nd Amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"

    Definition of `Arms`: 1.Weapons and ammunition; armaments

    piperfawn-"not allowing self maded bullets"

    That`s right up there with not allowing self made cigerettes and self made beer and self made mixed drinks. NOT something you can regulate.

    collegebound-"that`s just silly. i have no idea what those things even are. "

    Which rivals your knowledge about the subject we`re talking about, also. (that`s the POINT)

    You don`t realize just how silly you sound to the people who actually know the subject matter.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2013 at 11:03 pm
    i mean he was crazy, but his death only ads fuel to the fire (NO PUN INTENDED) to all the conspiracy theorists
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 12:46 am
    piperfawn: The gun black market here is absolutely massive. More people than not have multiple unregistered guns mainly from gifts from friends or guns being passed down in families, sometimes shady deals and theft.

    Its really odd you bring it up actually, I saw a guy buy an AK47 for only $300 in a bar bout two weeks ago from a guy selling hot power razors.
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    handmadebeat Male 60-69
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    February 14, 2013 at 5:02 am
    so.....how many cops did we loose? .......nice!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 14, 2013 at 8:45 am
    It`s too bad he shot himself before he was burned alive. I really wanted him to die slowly in excruciating agony.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 9:02 am
    "You don`t realize just how silly you sound to the people who actually know the subject matter."

    you KNOW that you NEED police and military grade weapons? hmmm...
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2013 at 11:37 am
    There is less paperwork this way
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Those police did equally horrific crime and should do the time for a murder. Revenge is still against the law no matter how thick the blue-line is.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5882 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    collegebound-"you KNOW that you NEED police and military grade weapons?"

    Again, my need is not your concern. Nor are my preferences.

    YOUR wants and preferences concern me not at all, as they have no bearing on my rights.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    Those police did equally horrific crime and should do the time for a murder. Revenge is still against the law no matter how thick the blue-line is.

    Ya killing the guy that was shooting at them the horror!!! You`re a little slow huh?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Let`s all forget just for the moment that this guy declared war on a police department as well as certain civilians.

    Let`s also forget for the moment that instead of trying to come out of the cabin when it caught fire he apparently took the coward`s way out and ate a bullet.

    So let`s suspend reality for a moment and say that he came out and surrendered. What happens then? Does he find a lawyer who puts on the good old insanity plea?

    The guy said he wasn`t going to be taken alive. He basically set himself up for `suicide by cop` from the beginning. He knew full well what he was doing and I`m pretty sure after all the sensationalism he got from the media knew what the outcome would be when he was finally caught.

    @Markust-I never tried to `spin` that you supported him in anyway. I simply pointed out that all the crap flying around on tv and the net may have helped influence your gut feeling. Sorry but this guy had a death wish and knew exactly how thin
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    February 14, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    ...knew exactly how things would play out for him.

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