Catholic Hospital Denies Personhood to Unborn

Submitted by: rfrabidfish 4 years ago in Misc

Catholic Hospital denies personhood to unborn twins.
There are 33 comments:
Male 2,216
No wonder the Pope quit. Catholics are arseholes..Wait,that`s not fair...everyone who believes in/hides behind religion is an idiot.Period.
0
Reply
Male 2,384
yea wheres your "life begins at conception" argument now, for fu/ck`s sake... and people ask me why i`m atheist
0
Reply
Male 1,196
This man really has no case. It doesn`t matter what the Church considers to be a person if the law doesn`t see it that way. You cannot sue for three deaths when the law says that there is only one person. The church medical group isn`t trying to f this guy over and it is not contradictory to the the Church`s teachings.
There is another example of something similar. During George W Bush`s office, the unborn victims of violent act was passed which considered fetuses as people if they were wrongfully killed (excluding abortions). Many Catholics had a problem with this because it is stupid to legally consider them human in certain instances then allow abortions in others.
In this video, it seems that the man was just trying to sue for three times more than what the law allowed. If there was wrongdoing such as neglect or malpractice, the man needs to get money from a lawsuit. He doesn`t deserve to get money because the laws defining a human are different from the Church`s teachings
0
Reply
Male 1,558
F-en caths!! Just another CLUB that wants to run the world!
0
Reply
Female 208
I don`t think it matters what anyone else thinks, if you already loved those babies then obviously they were people to you. As far as the hospital goes I think two things 1) that they should be held responsible for anything they did wrong, or for any neglect and 2) that a religion like catholicism has no place in health care, it`s always going to be fraught with contradiction.
0
Reply
Male 15,832
[quote]Are you kidding? It`s the Catholic Church.
They can afford the best.
They have jewish lawyers![/quote]
LOL, Gerry! You`re probably right.

"Vat, you VANT to pay for TWO wrongful deaths instead of just the VON? Vat are you, MESHUGA? Just sit back and let us handle this."
0
Reply
Male 2,988
the main issue here is he sued for "wrongful death" of 3 people, they said only the wife was a "person", based on the fact that the hospital counter sued I assume he lost the case of "wrongful death" for the wife. now regardless of if you count the child bearing mother as 1 person or 3, he still lost the case for the host body. so he will NOT be winning a case for "wrongful death" on the 2 children, regardless if they are counted as "people" or not. sucks to be him, but you cant sue the hospital for not being able to save someone (or 3) just because you are upset you lost someone, thus the counter sue
0
Reply
Male 3,908
@darkmagic14n - The contradiction lies in the fact that the representatives of the Catholic Church are using the legal definition of "personhood" to f*ck the guy over. Just like everyone else who believes in religion, they choose to use certain aspects of their own religion and disregard others when it`s convenient for them. That`s why this is bullsh*t, and all religion is bullsh*t. If you believe all this nonsense is the "word of God" and that "God is infallible" then you should live your life according to that. It`s either all, or none, no cherry-picking.
0
Reply
Male 7,921
@markust123

Watch that video with subtitles. Priceless
0
Reply
Female 4,411
man, they could have cut those babies out and they most probably would have been fine. f uck the pope, son of a bit ch mother f ucker that he is (or was since he fled prosicution and is hiding out in the vatican...)
0
Reply
Male 1,625
@whodat6484:
life =/= personhood
life =/= birth

they weren`t born, thus they don`t qualify to be a human. There is nothing that says that, had the mother survived, the twins would`ve been born just fine months later.

there is no contradiction, just people who want to SEE contradiction.

again, I`ll use the butterfly analogy. a caterpillar creates a chrysalis, do you then call it a butterfly? no, its not until it emerges that you can say the caterpillar turned into a butterfly. if it died in the chrysalis, you would say the caterpillar died, not the butterfly died.

I`m not saying the hospital was in the right, but by law they are in the clear, there were 3 lives lost, but only 1 person died.
0
Reply
Male 39,902

OldOllie, [quote]"I guess Catholic lawyers are still lawyers." [/quote]
Are you kidding? It`s the Catholic Church.
They can afford the best.
They have jewish lawyers!
0
Reply
Female 86
And religion, yet again, screwing up more people`s lives.
0
Reply
Male 1,949
I have no sympathy for this guy. First, "the Catholic teachings" does not mean "the law." Hospitals don`t have clerical teams in case they`re sued, the have legal teams. Screw what they preach, brush up on your law. And when you lose, yes you have to pay for their legal team - it keeps frivolous lawsuits from being filed every second.
Second, if you`re suing over wrongful death, best look at the makers of your refrigerator, stove and microwave before visiting the hospital to get your cholesterol checked again.

It sucks when people die, but you can hardly call it the hospital`s fault when a severely overweight / obese chick pregnant with twins has an embolism.
0
Reply
Male 5,811
Although I sympathize for the loss of his wife and twins, he really only got into financial trouble when he sued the hospital, and they never really said whether there was actually any wrongdoing on part of the hospital, but if they countersued and won, it would stand to reason that his claim was refuted in court. Thus, I feel no sympathy for his current financial position, and such is the outcome in a sue-happy country.
0
Reply
Male 4,891

Andrew - I`m sure they do. I didn`t comment on other countries.
0
Reply
Male 2,578
turdburglar, other countries have Catholic hospitals.
0
Reply
Male 3,908
@darkmagic14n - How can you NOT see the contradiction there?

According to the Catholic Church, LIFE begins at conception, the instant an egg is fertilized. That`s why they`re against abortion because you`re ending a LIFE. The mother dies while pregnant with twins, they die along with the mother, therefore three LIVES have been lost, not one.
0
Reply
Male 15,832
So, I guess Catholic lawyers are still lawyers.
0
Reply
Male 192
heck if I was the pope, i would resign. Wait that already happened...
0
Reply
Male 5,004
Well this just goes against everything I learned about the Catholic church.
0
Reply
Male 3,310
I haven`t seen a picture of her yet that didn`t look like she was one breath away from a coronary.
0
Reply
Male 1,625
clearly I meant to ask if you would call a caterpillar a butterfly...
0
Reply
Male 2,675
You`re kidding right? This is as contradictory as it gets.
0
Reply
Male 1,625
[quote]So the kids weren`t born yet and the church says that means they`re not "people." Meanwhile, they also teach that "life begins at conception."[/quote]

I`m not seeing the contradiction...you`re saying that all life is automatically human (aka people) life? would you call a butterfly a caterpillar?

2 babies were stillborns, they didn`t receive birth certificates because they weren`t born. end of story, no contradictions.
0
Reply
Male 39,902

Wanna hear a lemerick?

There was a young Priest from Kings
Who talked about God and such things.
But his real desire
Was a boy in the choir
With a bottom like jelly on springs.
0
Reply
Male 3,908
So the kids weren`t born yet and the church says that means they`re not "people." Meanwhile, they also teach that "life begins at conception."

Holy sh*t! Stop the presses! The Catholic Church (or any other church) contradicted themselves? Wow, I can`t believe it!!!


...said no one, ever.
0
Reply
Male 1,252
wait...are these the same people that protest abortion? ^.-
0
Reply
Male 164
Born alive and life are not the same. I think it`s bull$hit, but from a legal perspective, they got him.
0
Reply
Male 4,891

Religion and medicine should not mix. American healthcare is a fuggin joke.
0
Reply
Male 39,902

I don`t see how this is contradictory to Catholic teaching.
When I was growing up we sang
"Jesus loves the little children
And so do Bishops and Prieeeeest"

Two sides of the same coin really.
0
Reply
Male 192
wth?
0
Reply
Female 2
Link: Catholic Hospital Denies Personhood to Unborn [Rate Link] - Catholic Hospital denies personhood to unborn twins.
0
Reply