Angry Lady Vs Skateboarders

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago in Misc

Who was in the right? Is what she did considered theft? Bonus tumble towards the end.
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Male 2,669
The lady should have kept her temper in check, calmly called the skaters over to speak, and then emptied a Glock right into their bro-speaking faces while Quentin Tarantino filmed each bloody death.

That`s how adults should handle things.
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Male 72
kids suck
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Male 44
@ lt633c, I was mocking (mocking : Tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner, Make (something) seem laughably unreal or impossible ) your over the top opinion on dealing with them. I.E tossing their boards into a ravine etc.. LOL, you`d figure someone as aged as yourself would have come across this before, but none the less; it`s not your place to enforce the law, nor is it your place to enforce "street justice". That`s why we have individuals known as police officers (this is sarcasm, if need be I can explain this to you as well, or if you want you can search it on google to save us both time).
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Male 1,582
I love reading the arguments in the comment section. Even when some of you have been clearly proven wrong, and are CLEARLY beaten, you just won`t give up. Very entertaining.
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Female 2,026
dont they have public skate areas there? drat of and do it there
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Male 10,338
McGovern, don`t be so judgmental. Those guys are idiots. Every lifestyle has them.
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Male 14,331
When some of your interests biggest names are Rob Dyrdek and Bam Margera it`s time to rethink life.
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Male 13,630
Nope some old coots think skaters are good 8-)
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Male 13,630
Got no hassle with skaters,
He said he would leave,
let it be, give him his board back,
and be done
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Male 10,338
<----- I`m 37. The lady is a dumb bitch.

I used to skate. Does that make me biased? lol.
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Male 3,431
I dunno. I mean, yeah the lady should have just called the cops, but obviously there was more to the video than what we saw. I would also love watching the skaters get a good old fashioned beat down just because they`re acting like punk assed kids.
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Male 71
This lady was wayyyyy out of line.
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Male 650
haha people take life so seriously. She got what she deserved at the end. I bet if she just asked nicely they would have moved. I would hate to be that type of person living my life because in the end there is no benefit to being a c***.
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Female 6,381
Did she have right to prohibit boarding? She might have saved some argument if it had been posted. I know boards can be a pain (bunches of boarders go down our back lane at night and it sounds like a jet airliner) and cause damage as well, so I understand her perspective.
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Male 164
punks
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Male 74
I can`t tell properly but it seems she fell of her own accord. One thing I take issue with is, I`ve never in my time skating, damaged property so other than trespassing, whats the issue? Just call the drating cops and be done with it, why approach a bunch of unknowable youths who, for all she knows could of just smacked her round the head with the trucks and be done with the silly old hag. She was potentially putting herself in harms way
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Male 1,745
She has no right to take the board. Ask them to leave and call the cops but that`s all you can do lady.
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Male 353
to be fair, he did say "sorry" at the end.
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Male 646
"I just love how the younger males on here side with the skateboarders. Bros stick together even if wrong has been done."

~ And I`m surprised at all the old coots who are defending this obnoxious lady who is clearly overstepping her boundaries. She`s supposed to be the adult, and there were better ways she could have handled that situation
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Male 936
1. not trespassing, 2 of the kids lived there.
2. not battery, the woman fell after she tried chasing them
3. the woman stole the skateboard.

Larceny is illegal.
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Male 612
100% she was right. they were trespassing and she said they could have the board if they would wait for an officer to arrive. she had no intent to permanently deprive the owner of the skateboard if they choose to stay on the premises which they were on illegally. not much different than if you were to lose a frisbee over a fence that displays a "no trespassing" sign. legally you cant just hop the fence because you lost your disc bro.

kids: trespassing, battery (knocking over the woman)
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Male 936
"I just love how the younger males on here side with the skateboarders. Bros stick together even if wrong has been done. "

It has nothing to do with that. She wanted to be a hero and she got what she was asking for. When you decide to make a confrontation - any confrontation - you must be aware of the consequences. Those kids gave her more than enough chances. At that age I would not have been as kind as they were. I would have ripped my board from her hands immediately - no questions asked. So, my point is that she got what was coming to her; however, she should be thankful it wasn`t worse.
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Male 936
I`d grab that poo real fast from that bitch
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Male 809
That was awesome! that stupid bitch deserved it!
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Male 1,586
I used to skate and if a property owner came out and asked me to leave I always apologized picked up my board and left. There`s really no reason to be a dick about it.
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Male 10,338
The lady was wrong. She should have called the cops and let them deal with it. When she took their board, she broke the law. She got what she deserved by trying to be Batman.
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Male 267
haha that ending. Love this video so much.

There is no argument here. Both did wrong, no side is good. The skateboarders obviously came out ahead. That`s really all there is to it.
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Female 280
I just love how the younger males on here side with the skateboarders. Bros stick together even if wrong has been done.
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Male 143
@ anfni

"The selfish pricks regard everything they see as their property".

Yup, they do.
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Male 3
Skaters were total wankers here. They`re the reason why my local council puts metal extensions onto the edge of park benches and garden walls, to make grinding impossible. The selfish pricks regard everything they see as their property. A faceplant into a kerbstone is what they deserve.
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Female 4,408
I`m with the woman on this one, those little c unts were asking for it. Is there not a skatepark they could go to? entitled little non-nice individuals, the next person they piss off might not be a fragile older woman and might beat the s hit out of them.
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Male 8,527
patchgrabber-"So grabbing it as someone just jumps off of it is the same as "it`s just lying there"

Same principle. If Tiger Woods wife comes on my property and attacks my SUV with a 9-iron, I will take it from her.

patchgrabber-"reckless and criminal behaviour of the apartment manager"

The manager did nothing criminal, nor reckless.

patchgrabber-"in MeGrendel`s world, if you break one law you automatically forfeit all of your rights "

No, in MeGrendel`s world (along with in reality) if you break the law and tresspass on someone elses property you have no right to complain when the owner doesn`t follow the law. In this area, it`s a good way to get shot. Happenned quite recently to a high-school girl `hanging out & robbing houses`. There is very little sympathy for her.

patchgrabber-"should be treated like gutter trash"

Yes, and they have no right to complain.
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Male 270
Annoying skater idiots:

She should of done what she was threatening, called the cops. She was attempting to steal their skateboard. Taking someones property without their permission is theft, as far as I`m concerned.

They didn`t knock her down at the end, it was her own fault for chasing, and attempting to grab onto them.

With that said, the video showed the end result of what happened. She was out there trying to get them to stop right when the video started, so we missed the beginning of the encounter.
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Male 771
Get off my property, ya damn hooligans. *waves cane*
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Male 143
@LePigeon

Who said anything about shooting them with an automatic weapon ? Oh yeah, that was you.
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Male 44
lt633c, better yet she should have pulled out a fully automatic rifle and just mowed them down where the stood. STREET JUSTICE BI TCHES!! right?.. Some people are so damn miserable, it`s truly a shame....
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Male 1,073
"That statute is under their laws regarding ARRESTS"

Yup. And NC also chose to write into that portion of the statute the circumstance under which a citizen can detain someone...

"She did neither so it was an unlawful arrest."

So now she arrested them? Where did that come from? The most you could get from this video is that maybe she overstepped by taking the skateboard.

But an unlawful arrest? Where??
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Male 1,073
"Two of the kids lived there as well as her, so she had no more right to tell them to quit than they had to do it. She`s not management, she`s not a cop, they both handled it wrong. The difference, she`s an adult and should know better. "

Where do you get your info? She identified herself as the manager so actually she would have the right to tell them - regardless of whether they live there or not.
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Male 5,811
@nettech: That statute is under their laws regarding ARRESTS. When one is arrested, by an officer or private citizen, the protocol is to inform of the arrest and immediately provide the reason for arrest. She did neither so it was an unlawful arrest.
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Male 143
The little f***ers were told to leave by the agent of the property owners, and they didn`t. And they think it`s ok to do whatever they want, when ever they want and then laugh about it. No respect what so ever. They one`s being "so obnoxious" were the skateboarders, with the smug looks on their faces. She would have been better off throwing the board on to one of the balconies, into a ravine or off the property somewhere. Street justice at it`s finest.
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Male 1,073
It`s important to note that NC is the only state that has no provision for citizen`s arrest, but instead the authority to detain...

The laws are SO different from state to state...
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Male 5,811
@chance13



She identified herself as management in the vid, so I assumed she wasn`t lying. If she`s not even management then she has no business telling them what to do there.
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Male 1,073
From NC:

15A-404. Detention of offenders by private persons.
(a) No Arrest; Detention Permitted. – No private person may arrest another person except as provided in G.S. 15A-405. A private person may detain another person as provided in this section.
(b) When Detention Permitted. – A private person may detain another person when he has probable cause to believe that the person detained has committed in his presence:
(1) A felony,
(2) A breach of the peace,
(3) A crime involving physical injury to another person, or
(4) A crime involving theft or destruction of property.
(c) Manner of Detention. – The detention must be in a reasonable manner considering the offense involved and the circumstances of the detention.
(d) Period of Detention. – The detention may be no longer than the time required for the earliest of the following:
(1) The determination that no offense has
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Male 219
Once again we have a bunch of people that want to come unglued when no one knows the whole story. It`s an apartment complex. Two of the kids lived there as well as her, so she had no more right to tell them to quit than they had to do it. She`s not management, she`s not a cop, they both handled it wrong. The difference, she`s an adult and should know better.
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Male 44
Criminal behavior? There are much worst things being done then a few kids boarding, if that was the worst thing happening these days we`d all be very lucky. As for the woman, it`s not her place to enforce the law. She over stepped her boundaries, nor was it her place to remove the skateboard from them. Call the police next time. If you see someone speeding and manage to catch up to them at a red light, do you try and take their car from them???
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Male 5,811
[quote]Grow up and quit defending the reckless and criminal behavior of these punks.[/quote]
...And start defending the reckless and criminal behaviour of the apartment manager!
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Male 5,811
[quote]Which is way more logical than your blind support for the law-breaking, harrassing teenagers. THEY were tresspassing on private property.[/quote]
If you had bothered to read any of my posts here you would have seen that I said the teens were breaking the law, but in MeGrendel`s world, if you break one law you automatically forfeit all of your rights and should be treated like gutter trash.

[quote]If I find your cell laying on my property, I`m under no obligation to immediately return it to you, especially if you are performing an illegal act on my property.[/quote]
So grabbing it as someone just jumps off of it is the same as "it`s just lying there" to you? You should listen to yourself sometime, it`s kind of amusing (but only kind of).
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Male 14,331


And by used to be I mean kinda in 1996....
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Male 1,735
Should of asked nicely, than just called the cops and let them deal with it. To the question of theft, yes, taking something that does not belong to you is theft, period. Only cops and teachers can take stuff like that, and they have to give it back at some point.
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Male 17,511
Gerry has it right, it seems many of you seem to be suffering from "Cartman Syndrome".

Grow up and quit defending the reckless and criminal behavior of these punks.
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Male 39,889

Calm down people.... Chillax!

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Male 186
Love the fact that they post it on the internet so its much easier for them to be identified, and surely convicted if she presses the issue.
Depending on past records, and the amount of this type of problem in that community, I can see a judge make quite an example of these lads.
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Male 8,527
patchgrabber-"What a horribly bad application of my logic"

Not at all, it`s much more close to what you said that your BS Cell Phone scenariol.

YOU said, `they weren`t touching her, they were just grabbing at the skateboard`. I could just as easily say `I didn`t touch you, I was just swinging my bat.`

patchgrabber-"Your blind support of this woman"

Which is way more logical than your blind support for the law-breaking, harrassing teenagers. THEY were tresspassing on private property.

patchgrabber-"I take your cell phone and you try to grab it back"

If I find your cell laying on my property, I`m under no obligation to immediately return it to you, especially if you are performing an illegal act on my property.
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Male 1,073
"nothing about "intent to Deprive Permanently", none of the definitions i am finding mention that at all"

Then you`re not Googling hard enough!

KS: "Theft is any of the following acts done with intent to permanently deprive the owner of the possession, use or benefit of the owner`s property or services:"

IL: "the person committing theft must also (a) intend to permanently deprive the owner of the use or benefit of the property; (b) knowingly use, conceal or abandon the property in such a way as to permanently deprive the owner of its use or benefit; or (c) use, conceal, or abandon the property knowing that such use, concealment or abandonment will probably permanently deprive the owner of its use or benefit. "

CA: "To prove theft, a prosecutor must establish the defendant`s intent to permanently take or withhold the property owner`s possession or right to the property"

etc, etc...
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Male 8,527
CoyoteKing-" she escalated more than they did from what i saw"

Then you must have missed the part of the three teen-age guys (all bigger than her) theatening and lunging at the lady.

The FIRST escalation was when they tresspassed. The SECOND when they refused to leave when asked.
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Male 5,811
[quote]So, using your logic, I can hit you upside the head with a baseball bat and as long as touch you only with the bat, it`s not assault? [/quote]
What a horribly bad application of my logic. Your blind support of this woman precludes you from recognizing that even though they`re dicks, these kids have rights too. I pose my previous question to you: If I take your cell phone and you try to grab it back, have you committed assault against me?

[quote]Is it her fault that the idiot values a skateboard over his person? [/quote]
That`s not your decision to make. The fact is that it was unlawfully taken, but you just go ahead and apply laws to whomever you think deserves them best, as is your custom.
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Male 5,811
[quote]It seems most places would consider it that.[/quote]
I`d like to hear of a situation whereby someone can detain another and it`s not a citizen`s arrest. Your shopkeeper example doesn`t apply in this case, since this is not a store and no financial transaction has taken place. Like I said, even *if* she was in the right to detain them, she didn`t follow the law in doing so and as such is in violation of the law. I don`t see how one is better than the other, they both broke the law and would have deserved whatever they got.
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Male 8,527
ancythat-"The kids have a right to protect themselves and their belongings "

And you think they have a right to tresspass and intimidate?

Kickan-"They should have fcuked her up."

Would have worked out much better had she had, say pepperspray, taser or .45.

jfactor-"They weren`t doing any harm to anything"

Is that your proffesional opinion as a city inspector?

patchgrabber-"they weren`t touching her"

So, using your logic, I can hit you upside the head with a baseball bat and as long as touch you only with the bat, it`s not assault?

patchgrabber-"holding something of value to another person with the intent to make the person stay"

Is it her fault that the idiot values a skateboard over his person?

mustacatal-"Nothing wrong about skaters."

Well, except for the illegal tresspass, harassment, ganging up on an old lady and laughing at
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Male 2,988
"yeah...what a nice boy."

nicer than her, she escalated more than they did from what i saw
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Male 2,988
all i find for theft is "theft is the taking of another person`s property without that person`s permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

nothing about "intent to Deprive Permanently", none of the definitions i am finding mention that at all
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Male 1,073
"Oh, so now you`re saying it was a citizen`s arrest?"

No I didn`t use that term anywhere. It seems most places would consider it that.

It`s just like in some states a store owner has the right to detain you and your belongings if they suspect you of shoplifting. Like the case of the restaurant owner (NY?) detaining a lady who refused to pay the automatic gratuity.

I don`t care whether you like my interpretation versus a lawyer. In the absence of a definition of what a thing of value is, a court would have to decide. Here in NJ there is no such thing as false imprisonment by holding something of value.

As I have said before, we don`t know where this took place. She could have been totally 100% right. Maybe she wasn`t. But she was right WAY more than those kids were.
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Male 5,811
plausible if she had stated that it was a citizen`s arrest and then told them what they were being arrested for, which she didn`t. A citizen`s arrest is the only legal way for a citizen to detain another citizen. Notice also how the lawyer says "something of value to another person" and you`ll see why I take a lawyer`s interpretation over yours.

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Male 5,811
"what you cited was a definition of the term "false imprisonment" from FindLaw. It is not a citation of a law."

I may not have cited an actual law, but here is a response from a Californian lawyer discussing false imprisonment in California saying "Another example would be a person holding something of value to another person with the intent to make them stay in a certain place, and without the consent of the person whose valuables are being held."
So I would take the word of a lawyer in this instance.

"But depending on the law where this happened, it might be her RIGHT. To detain THEM. And if taking their property effectuates that, then that is also her RIGHT."
Oh, so now you`re saying it was a citizen`s arrest? That might be pla
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Male 3,147
CoyoteKing

"and that was they last time she was nice at all. the boys continued to reason with her and use "please" constantly"

Seriously, are you watching the same video? The guy with the camera says please a few times. The other guy tries to intimidate her physically, calls her obnoxious, and threatens to come with a sledgehammer and hit her bench.

yeah...what a nice boy.

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Male 1,073
"as for her obligation to trespassers? it is NOT her obligation to try to take the law into her own hands and detain property."

Obligation, no. But depending on the law where this happened, it might be her RIGHT. To detain THEM. And if taking their property effectuates that, then that is also her RIGHT.

And using that same logic, they were wrong for trying to take it back. They could have walked away and called the cops themselves. That was arguably the most serious escalation in this whole video.

"we agreed that it was mislaid property and it was her obligation to return it and not take it. since she did not return it then it is theft. "

I didn`t agree that it was mislaid property (maybe yes maybe no), but as stated several times before the crime of theft has as one of its elements the "intent to Deprive Permanently – The thief intends that the owner not see or own the property ever again" Clear
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Male 2,988
"The very first thing out of her mouth was "Do not skateboard here PLEASE". Then "I asked you not to do that didn`t I?"

Not that she has any obligation to be nice to trespassers. Would you honestly be as verbally nice confronting someone trespassing on your property? "

and that was they last time she was nice at all. the boys continued to reason with her and use "please" constantly and her answer was threats and flipping them off

as for her obligation to trespassers? it is NOT her obligation to try to take the law into her own hands and detain property. it IS her obligation to contact the authorities which i am sure we all agree she should have done from the start. it was her attitude and handling of the situation that makes her an a-hole and thus funny to see her fall on her ass at the end
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Male 2,988
@nettech98: we agreed that it was mislaid property and it was her obligation to return it and not take it. since she did not return it then it is theft.
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Male 1,073
"Are you new to legal jargon? "May" include means it does include."

Actually MAY means might. If they didn`t mean `may` they wouldn`t put the word in there.

Additionally, in the US, in the absence of specific language, laws are read using the plain meaning of words. In other words, if they want to include emotional value, they have to say it.

Notwithstanding all that, what you cited was a definition of the term "false imprisonment" from FindLaw. It is not a citation of a law. It is not an example of an actual case either...
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Male 1,073
@coyote: "disrespectful throughout despite the kids trying to be nice (nicer) about it."

Did we watch the same video? The very first thing out of her mouth was "Do not skateboard here PLEASE". Then "I asked you not to do that didn`t I?"

Not that she has any obligation to be nice to trespassers. Would you honestly be as verbally nice confronting someone trespassing on your property?

"theft of his property, because in her mind her crime is okay but theirs is not"

We already established based on the law that it was not a theft. And now you know what she THINKS just by watching a video?
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Male 39,889

Not defending them? hahahahahahaha

It was clearly not the first time they`d been told not to skateboard there. She said that and they didn`t refute it. So they knew they would piss her off. They got her wound up, laughing about it, taunting her by skateboarding in front of her.

They pulled the trigger on this woman, then whined like little girls after they set her off. [quote]"gimmie my skateboard back. gimmie my skateboard." [/quote]
They set the stage, everything that follows is their fault.
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Male 5,811
[quote] Taken in its plain reading (even though you didn`t cite a law) that would mean monetary value.[/quote]
Nice try but no. If they meant monetary value they would have specified an amount. Since no amount is specified it`s ridiculous to think they mean only money value.

[quote]Plus your citation (which used the word MAY include)[/quote]
Are you new to legal jargon? "May" include means it does include.
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Male 3,147
"That retarded lady deserved it! Nothing wrong about skaters. I hope her chin is broken :D"

And you`d feel the same if it was your elderly mother who was being harassed on her own property by people skating round her yard and then refusing to leave?

yes, they did eventually say they`d leave...but only after shed asked them nicely first and they`d ignored her, then she took the skateboard and said she was going to call the police..now if these were just polite well-mannered boys would they have then threatened to smash her garden bench till they got it back?
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Male 1,073
cont`d:

legally justified in all her actions
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Female 8,045
She should have given back the board- especially as she knew they were filming. Return what you have stolen, phone the sheriff and explain. but ny holding on to what was not her property she is in the wrong. they did not do anything but try to grab their property. I get fed up with people having a go at skaters- the noise is annoying- but be polite for heavens sake.
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Male 2,988
@Gerry: i`m not necessarily defending the skaters, both were in the wrong. but the lady was much more in the wrong. disrespectful throughout despite the kids trying to be nice (nicer) about it. theft of his property, because in her mind her crime is okay but theirs is not. and almost the entire time the kids tried to resolve it peacefully while she escalated the situation over and over until the kids had to reclaim their property. if she was smart she would call the cops prior to approaching them, in fact let the cops handle the whole situation. and then to be an idiot after it is all said and done and try to run after kids in a parking lot, trip and fall and bust her own face due to her own misjudgement and mishandling of the situation. she clearly just tried to bully her way through it rather than be smart about it. next time she will know better.
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Male 1,073
"Attempting to obtain your own property without laying a hand on me is not assault."

Never said it was. I said laying hands, unwanted touching, etc., was simple assault.

"That`s not your decision to make. You have no clue what value any item may hold to a person."

Nor is it yours. Plus your citation (which used the word MAY include) says value. Not perceived value, emotional value, or anything else. Taken in its plain reading (even though you didn`t cite a law) that would mean monetary value.

Even so, "To prove a false imprisonment claim in a civil lawsuit, the following elements must be present:

There must have been a willful detention;

The detention must have been without consent; and

The detention was unlawful."

Since we don`t know where this occurred, the detention may have been lawful so it really doesn`t make sense to argue it any further since she could have been totally leg
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Male 2,216
The skateboarders should have called the police.And that`s how the story should`ve ended.
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Male 2,988
@nettech98: "No it`s called mislaid property and you`re supposed to make an effort to return it to the owner"

so we agree that she was in the wrong for not making an effort to return the it to the owner

"Or leave the property when asked to do so."

they said gives us back the board and they would leave. she refused to return his property and they politely said they would leave upon its return

"In some (most?) places that can be true. It falls under joyriding"

interesting, i wonder how much this is actually charged instead of GTA, seems like the "thief" could just say he was going to return it and get this lesser charge. doubtful though.

"is a skateboard "something of value" "

skateboards are fairly expensive, most decent ones are $100+
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Male 3,147
lol yeah gerry... my dad would have gone nuts but it would have been my mum who dragged me back to the house to apologies for what I`d done.
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Male 8
That retarded lady deserved it! Nothing wrong about skaters. I hope her chin is broken :D
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Male 39,889

[quote]"If my kids were rude to people like this... " [/quote]
Listypoos, you mean like we were when we were kids?
LOL, and yes, if my dad caught me I`d have been unable to sit for a while.
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Male 5,811
[quote]we were specifically discussing the assault aspect of the act.[/quote]
And I also didn`t say that I grabbed your cell phone from your person, I just said I grabbed it. Could have been on the roof of your car, or on a table in your house. Attempting to obtain your own property without laying a hand on me is not assault.
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Male 5,811
[quote]As for your argument, is a skateboard "something of value" sufficient to keep you from leaving? Especially when you have everything on film? I don`t think so...[/quote]
That`s not your decision to make. You have no clue what value any item may hold to a person. Regardless, they DID think it was valuable so it indeed was false imprisonment. As for your assertion that they did the same to her, it is a possibility, but since their only intent was to get the illegally obtained board back so they could leave, I doubt any court would find them guilty of false imprisonment.
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Male 1,073
@patch: we were specifically discussing the assault aspect of the act. Myabe you`re having trouble following...

If you take something forcibly from my person it certainly is different from taking it off the ground in front of me in the context of whether an assault was committed.
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Male 1,073
Right back at you: "False imprisonment is a restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent"

Kinda like what they almost did when they had her cornered and blocking her way forward or back?

As for your argument, is a skateboard "something of value" sufficient to keep you from leaving? Especially when you have everything on film? I don`t think so...
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Male 5,811
[quote]It was on the ground. Huge difference.[/quote]
HAHAHA! You MUST be trolling. So taking someone else`s property from the ground IMMEDIATELY after the kid bailed to avoid running over the woman is somehow different than taking it right from their hands? I`m glad you`re not my lawyer.
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Male 3,147
"Some of you are defending the kids right to do as they damn well please on other peoples property. "

tbh I can`t get my head round that either Gerry.... they were asked to leave her property and refused, and yet there`s been at least one person here saying they should have drated her up.

For what? not letting a couple of brats do as they please on her property?

If my kids were rude to people like this it`d be a while before they experienced fresh air outside of school hours for at least a month.
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Male 5,811
@Gerry: I haven`t defended the kids` initial actions at all. They were indeed trespassing and should have left. However, you cannot break the law or take it into your own hands when not in a legal position to do so. Laws are laws.
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Male 1,073
So if I grab your cell phone and you try to grab it back I can charge you with assault? lol.

We can go down theoretical roads all day. She didn`t grab the board FROM the kid. It was on the ground. Huge difference. They grabbed the board FROM her. Whether she had a right to possess it or not.
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Male 5,811
Furthermore, a quick definition of false imprisonment says that:
"Examples of false imprisonment may include:
-A person holding something of value to another person with the intent to make the person stay in a certain place, and without consent of the person whose valuables are being held"
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Female 86
Those dudes are f ucking DICKS.
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Male 1,073
@Coyote: "so if someone drops their wallet or phone on my property i can hold it indefinitely "

No it`s called mislaid property and you`re supposed to make an effort to return it to the owner.

"what he could have done if he was smart was hold onto the board " Or leave the property when asked to do so.

"so if i steal a car but plan to return it then its no longer theft? " In some (most?) places that can be true. It falls under joyriding:

"Joyriding is the crime of operating another person’s vehicle, including a car, bicycle, boat, or motorcycle, without permission from the owner. Joyriding differs slightly from the crime of auto theft because the perpetrator of joyriding does not generally intend on taking the vehicle permanently. Joyriding is a criminal offense that is punishable in a court of law."
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Male 39,889

Some of you are defending the kids right to do as they damn well please on other peoples property.

From now on I am labeling this "Cartman Syndrome".

The mentality that says "I don`t care I do what I want" until they`re disrespected then they switch to "Respect my Authoritay" attitude.
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Male 5,811
@nettech: So if I grab your cell phone and you try to grab it back I can charge you with assault? lol.
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Male 3,147
"so if i steal a car but plan to return it then its no longer theft?"

no, in the UK it`s not... it`s a twoc. Taking without consent. like joyriding isn`t strictly a theft under uk law.

my stepdad used to be a copper (police) here in the uk and he still uses the phrase `twocking` when he sees joyriders on the tv.
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Male 5,811
@nettech: It didn`t take me long to find definition of theft in Arizona that defines it as "Controls property of another with the intent to deprive the other person of such property"
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Male 1,073
@patchgrabber: You keep offering opinions on legal terms. For example, while varying from state to state, here is the general concept:

"Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one`s personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault."
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Male 573
I don`t think she should`ve taken the board, but the kids did take it to far.
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Male 334
seeing this though, i understand why there are so many shootings. i cant condone shooting but i would thorougly understand if one of these kids got shot..

i mean, she politely asks em not to do it, they do it still and then they feel that they shouldnt be held acountable for their actions?
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Male 2,988
"Every definition of theft I have found has as an element of "intent to permanently deprive the owner of the possession"

Clearly this is not a theft. So what`s the big deal? The temporary taking of the skateboard is such a small issue compared to the actions of the kids."

so if i steal a car but plan to return it then its no longer theft? i am not permanently depriving the owner of the possession. just temporarily.
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Male 2,988
@nettech98:"Absent anything to the contrary how about we call it a `seizure` instead of a theft? After all it was not in the possession of anyone at the time the took it..."

so if someone drops their wallet or phone on my property i can hold it indefinitely until i see fit and have no obligation to return it to the owner despite that i saw the owner drop it and try to pick it up before i grabbed it?

"Absent anything to the contrary how about we call it a `seizure` instead of a theft? After all it was not in the possession of anyone at the time the took it.."

she was the one forcibly holding onto his property. what he could have done if he was smart was hold onto the board and stay put (after she grabbed it) so that she has 2 options, hold onto the board and be stuck outside with him and away from the phone. or release the board to reach a phone. i guess there is a 3rd option and she could try to forcibly rip the board from the owners hand
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Male 1,073
Every definition of theft I have found has as an element of "intent to permanently deprive the owner of the possession"

Clearly this is not a theft. So what`s the big deal? The temporary taking of the skateboard is such a small issue compared to the actions of the kids.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Assault?[/quote]
It`s not assault to try and take your illegally confiscated property back, they weren`t touching her, they were just grabbing at the skateboard, that`s not assault.
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Male 5,811
[quote], 2013 10:56:18 AM
@patchgrabber: So you`re saying that under NY law she could detain them but she couldn`t touch their skateboards in the process of doing that? [/quote]
I`m not saying that at all. The law you cited doesn`t allow the occupier to detain the trespasser, merely to be able to use force to prevent or terminate the trespass; detaining is criminal.

[quote]You`re assuming that her taking the skateboard is a `theft`.[/quote]
So if I take your cell phone without your permission and won`t give it back to you, I haven`t stolen your phone? That`s news to me.

[quote]Is it a `theft` to tow someone`s illegally parked car on private property?...how about we call it a `seizure` instead of a theft? [/quote]
Towing isn`t theft because she isn`t keeping it or restricting access to it. And what law says it`s ok for a citizen to seize another`s property?
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Male 584
@Listypoos Dam i wish i knew about that when i was young. And if there are no trespassing signs up people cannot sue you if they hurt themselves on that property. That is law in the U.S.
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Female 2,761
I can`t help but laugh at the ending
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Male 1,073
@patchgrabber: So you`re saying that under NY law she could detain them but she couldn`t touch their skateboards in the process of doing that?

You`re assuming that her taking the skateboard is a `theft`. That word has been tossed around this thread like it`s a fact. Is it a `theft` to tow someone`s illegally parked car on private property? No. Absent anything to the contrary how about we call it a `seizure` instead of a theft? After all it was not in the possession of anyone at the time the took it...

And how about the forcible taking back of the skateboard by someone other than the owner? Assault? Even if it was the owner - still assault? Assault in the commission of criminal trespass?
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Male 670
Who cares about the subtle legalities - she fell and it was funny because she escalated the situation!
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Male 584
I would say at least their not out robbing people but they are on private property and their just being dicks, so screw em.
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Male 149
They weren`t doing any harm to anything, she just wanted to be a bitch.
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Male 5,811
@nettech: You`re not applying that law correctly though...
[quote]when he reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a criminal trespass upon such premises.[/quote]
The taking of the skateboard was not meant to prevent or terminate the trespass, in point of fact she stated that she was keeping it so they would STAY until police arrived. Even *if* taking the skateboard was lawful, it would become unlawful once they said they would leave if they got the skateboard back.
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Male 3,842
Skateboarding is not a crime, but trespassing and destruction of property is.
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Male 2,988
that thief got what she deserved. if she wanted them to leave she should have just called the cops to begin with and not try to steal someone`s property
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Male 1,073
Here`s an example from NY law:

"A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force upon another person when he reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a criminal trespass upon such premises. He may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and he may use deadly physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in subdivision three."

"A person is guilty of [a criminal] trespass when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. Trespass is a violation."
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Male 3,147
that1joshguy... not in the UK she couldn`t. I did say i was answering from a uk law point of view.

I have just checked with my lawyer g/friend on your point and firstly the goods wouldn`t be considered stolen property because she`s not committed theft in getting the board, and also the uk legal definition of the offence of handling stolen goods is

"knowing or believing them to be stolen goods he dishonestly receives the goods, or dishonestly undertakes or assists in their retention, removal, disposal or realisation by or for the benefit of another person, or if he arranges to do so"

which clearly doesn`t apply from the evidence in the video because there was nothing `dishonest` in the intent to remove the property.

As I said in my previous post, it may well be different in the US... but i wasn`t answering from that point of view.
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Male 5,811
@nettech: That would depend on what the law says. She is not an officer of the law and is not able to act in such a capacity. If there is a sign saying vehicles will be towed, then if someone left their car there I would assume the law allows a car to be towed. I`m fairly certain average citizens don`t have access to a boot, but if she did boot it it would likely be illegal. I found a source that says towing of trespassing vehicles in Georgia is lawful, but booting or immobilizing is not. Stealing a skateboard is not comparable.
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Male 329
"weren`t out there with the intention...."

Intent isn`t really considered in tort court. If you were doing something you shouldn`t, with zero intent to harm others or their property but it ends up causing someone else or their property harm... your lack of intent is not even considered.
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Male 39,889

But if one of those snot-rags fell off the board because they hit a bump they`d sue the property. She should`a whacked`em on the head with the board.

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Male 232
nettech booting a car and flat out taking the car are not the same thing
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Male 1,073
@patchgrabber: I go back to my question. If they had illegaly parked a car in her lot and she booted (or towed) the car, would you be making the same argument that she can`t do that?

It`s not like she took the board from the kid`s hands...
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Male 232
right I agree crak but they boys weren`t out there with the intention of tearing up her property... had they been maliciously smashing stuff with their boards then thats something all together different.
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Male 5,811
[quote]If someone throws a brick through your window and you keep the brick as evidence of the crime that`s not stolen property.[/quote]
And if they threw the skateboard at her then that might mean something.
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Male 5,811
[quote]That is why she took the skateboard, they`d either be stupid enough to stay and get caught by the police or run away and lose the board. Either way the lesson would be taught. [/quote]
Oh so apparently stealing private property is ok now? You can`t just use the argument "The police take too long" to justify illegal vigilante behaviour. Others have it right: Ask them to leave, call the police, video if you can.
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Male 5,811
Hmm, maybe I`m mistaken on what I just said about our trespassing laws...I remember them from when I had worked security and had to take a quick course on common things like trespassing. They would have been trespassing here too. But yeah, you can`t steal someone`s property in an effort to detain them there until police arrive.
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Male 17,511
that1joshguy: If someone throws a brick through your window and you keep the brick as evidence of the crime that`s not stolen property.
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Male 232
Listy even if that was the case that she wasn`t intending on keeping the board she was in possession of stolen property.
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Male 243
They should have fcuked her up. At least she fell.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Yes they were trespassing, yes she had the right to tell them to leave, [/quote]
What exactly is the law regarding trespassing in the US (I`m assuming it`s different by state but maybe not)? In Canada, you can only be trespassing if it`s a residence, and I think it has to be between the hours of 10pm-6am (but I could be off by a few hours).
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Male 3,147
"Also, as kids, we laughed and tormented people like her, just like those kids did."


Us too.... in fact I`m ashamed of the way we used to wind up one old guy who lived down the road. Because he used to react and chase us down the street we did it more. Stuff like putting dog poo in a paper bag on his doorstep and setting fire to it so that when he stamped on it to put it out the poo would go everywhere.

Also we`d thread ping pong balls all down a really long length of fishing line and then quietly go down the street putting the balls in letterboxes (we don`t mailboxes here... a letterbox is a spring-closed slit in your front door)... anyhoos we`d put them on both sides of the street so that when a car came it ripped all the line out at once and knocked on everyone`s doors at the same time.
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Male 3,147
cont. because even if the intent to cause damage wasn`t there the legal definition of it includes a reference to being reckless....which I think would include doing something on someone`s property that they`d just asked you not to do.

I remember very similar scenarios in the law text books when i was helping my girlfriend revise for her law degree.
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Male 39,889

When I was a kid and you were kicking a ball around where you shouldn`t, they always took the ball. So how`s this different? Yeah, she could call the cops, but if it`s not an emergency they may take 2 hours to get there so that doesn`t help. Also, as kids, we laughed and tormented people like her, just like those kids did.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Male 17,511
Kids should be arrested and have their skateboards confiscated as evidence, along with the camera.

MinxC: The problem is it usually takes several minutes for police to arrive, sometimes half an hour. That would give these kids plenty of time to run/skate away.

That is why she took the skateboard, they`d either be stupid enough to stay and get caught by the police or run away and lose the board. Either way the lesson would be taught.

Another problem is insurance. If she let these kids skate there her insurance would be liable for any injuries and that would either raise her insurance rates or they`d cancel the policy outright.

Not to mention the damage done by boarders to the property, which these likely unemployed punks have no money to pay for.

I`m hoping they get caught for being stupid enough to post this video on the internet. That`s what they deserve for being punks.
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Male 3,147
Not sure about the definition of theft in the US, but in the UK it has a very clear definition of `to permanently deprive` someone of their property..... which in this case she could demonstrate she wasn`t intending to because she told them they`d get it back later when the police arrived, so no.. here it wouldn`t be theft.

It could however be another offence, but if it was on her property when she confiscated it then she may have well been within her rights to do so (again, if this was in the UK).

And if what she said was true that she`d informed them it was private property and asked them not to do what they were doing then they would certainly be guilty of tresspass (which isn`t a crime here so no matter what signs say about trespassers being liable to prosecution that`s wrong) but it is a civil offence and so she could sue...and if they so much as scratched her walls when they were skateboarding then they could be charged with criminal damage
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Male 3,619
She should have called the police instead of taking the board
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Male 1,135
haha "little bastards"
The guy said sorry when she fell, that made me feel like they weren`t trying to do any harm.
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Male 4,745
I think confiscating the skateboard was her way of keeping them their until the cops could show up. She said she was going to keep the board and they could get it back from the sheriff when he got there. If she had just called the cops, the kids would have taken off and come back later. She did the only thing she could think of.

Personally, I like skateboard kids. Putting their energy into learning how to do something instead of getting into trouble like some other kids do. But when they are damaging property, it`s a whole other story.
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Male 32
The kids were polite, they used words like "please" The lady was rude and did not use "please" manners wins on this one. The kids also said "sorry" at the end.
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Male 232
bunch of dumb moves all around had she just said drat off and left it at that or called the cops then the boys were in the wrong.. when she took their board she asked for it considering she knew she was out numbered
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Male 1,073
For those of you saying she was wrong for taking the board - which was not in the possession of the kid, if it were a car parked illegally on private property would you be making the same argument against booting or towing the car?
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Male 1,949
lol @ the end... Sorry! I`ll bet she files a workers comp, or in her case, a workers incomp, claim.

So, the right thing to do? Video tape them and call the cops. Let the cops figure it out. Don`t touch their stuff and don`t touch them. The kids have a right to protect themselves and their belongings and should have called the cops when she took his skateboard.
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Male 2,551
They should have left, assuming she was the manager and asked her to. They didn`t leave (assuming she asked), and she was considering them damaging her property, she removed the thing that was doing the damage. I`d say the lady was in the right more than the skateboarders, but it`s hard to say. Don`t know how many times she asked, if it`s been a long-running arugment, or anything like that.
She could have just called the cops after asking though.
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Female 1,539
She had the right to call the police for trespassing. But to take the boys skateboard was just giving herself a power complex.

Boys were pretty stupid to post the video with their faces. They are juveniles and a judge would give them some sort of punishment if she found a way to take them to court...which she could since they posted the video.
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Male 1,216
Bunch of non-nice individuals.
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Female 4
I think she was in the wrong for taking the board. If it was private property, she could easily call authorities without taking the board. They didn`t sound like trouble-makers when they offered to leave. She deserved that face-plant for being a bitch.
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Male 761
great ending.
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Male 15
She obviously was not pushed you can clearly see the (boy?) man running away from her with a distinct gap between the two.
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Male 2,694
WTF? Unless there`s a history of those kids being jerks to her that was out of line. The tumble was good. Too bad the camera was so far away.
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Male 15
She was in the right to ask them to leave until she took the skateboard, as a citizen she cannot take other peoples property as a way of punishment. That is not how law works and not her right.
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Male 59
I can`t tell if he pushed her at the end, if so then the boys are CLEARLY in the wrong. Yes they were trespassing, yes she had the right to tell them to leave, but she didn`t have the right to confiscate his skateboard.
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Female 8,043
Link: Angry Lady Vs Skateboarders [Rate Link] - Who was in the right? Is what she did considered theft? Bonus tumble towards the end.
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