America`s Use Of Drones: What You Ought To Know

Submitted by: Squrlz4Sale 4 years ago in

Some basic information you are unlikely to receive through the mainstream U.S. media.
There are 54 comments:
Male 459
They ran that movie `Eagle Eye` on TV here last night, stupid movie but the point is, the opening scene is a great example of the pros/cons of targeted killings by remote drones, If you haven`t seen it, the basic gist is that an individual believed to be a terrorist leader is spotted by a drone but the ID is not 100% positive, and he is surrounded by a large group of civilians. there`s a short but tense debate about whether they should fire a missile at this guy despite the collateral deaths, or risk letting him get away to carry out more terror attacks.I won`t give away the rest of the scene, but it is pretty clear to me from this type of example that it`s not the drone itself that`s the problem, but how the weapon is used or abused and the policies behind it`s use. To my dismay, I find myself paraphrasing some of the pro-gun members when I say `drones don`t kill people..people kill people`
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Male 5,081
5Cats idiotic politicians are everywhere,this is the real problem.
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Male 37,879
@piperfawn: You can post animated .gifs just like regular images. BUT not in the avatar, eh?

There`s a couple of .gif websites that don`t link properly here too.

I agree that dropping drones is quite illegal, and that Obama is 100% responsible, just like Bush was when he did it. Just like Nixon secretly bombing Cambodia.

I like Canada a lot! I just don`t want it to be ruined by our idiotic politicians or naughty American Presidents...
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Male 3,909
"I say that the ACLU goes to the site of every drone strike (within reason for safety) and launch a international Class Action Civil Suit representing every civilian`s family that was killed by a drone strike."

You do know that the "A" in "ACLU" stands for "American", right? They don`t handle international cases.
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Male 153
I say that the ACLU goes to the site of every drone strike (within reason for safety) and launch a international Class Action Civil Suit representing every civilian`s family that was killed by a drone strike.
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Male 7,775
Which part of Homeland USA are they protecting again?
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Male 5,081
5Cats "but that didn`t work on IAB" in fact i don`t know how to post .gif here,any suggestion?
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Male 5,811
@piperfawn: Well, I`m sure @5cats loves this country (well, parts of it at least), but I do think the only thing keeping him here must be family, because he does sound like he`d be happier further south. Also it could just be that he`s been living in Winnipeg for too long, that would sour anyone`s disposition. ;-)
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Male 5,081
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Male 5,081
patchgrabber you must be used to 5Cats...he like to bite the hand that feeds him.
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Male 5,811
[quote]WAAAAY better than Canada`s stoopid "Constitution" I`ll tell you that![/quote]
I don`t think so necessarily, there are benefits and detriments to both. For instance Section 1 of our Charter allows for limitations, such that our rights aren`t absolute as they are in the US, but it`s easier to deal with things like hate speech here than in the US. You say theirs is better, I say to each their own.
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Male 184
They are using that drippy, chunky typewriter-y font, so it must be true.
After all that`s the same US government that killed the hug-powered hemp van, man.
Also aliens, just for good measure.
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Male 38,507

I can`t believe you guys are even discussing this!
I watched 15 seconds of it before I stopped.
Why? Because the first line was...

[quote]"From UFOs to Psychic powers to Government Conspiracies - History is riddled with unexplained events" [/quote]

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Male 14,334
[quote]Anyway drones are the most cowards thing man have created[/quote]

ROFL!!! They said the same thing when gun entered the battlefield. You can`t stop technology only try to stay ahead of everyone else.
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Male 4
If Government wants to watch me itch my balls while cutting my grass; I`ll be sure to wave.
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Male 7,775
Once again, we see the arrogance and naivety of the American people. 5cats displays that full red-neckiness in all its glory. If this were North Korea you guys would be p*ssing yourselves with anger. Like I always say, at least the Korean people are aware they are being manipulated.
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Male 1,745
5cats that makes no sense, a drone and sniper are a lot different. There`s even a particular PTSD with drone operators because they are completely removed from danger. Can you kill someone who is no threat to you or yours whatsoever, you know neither who or nothing about, acting just from an order in your ear?

And the comparison with nukes? Are you insane? So someone standing within 200 miles of a target was their fault by your logic?
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Male 3,909
@5Cats - Yeah, I know what you mean. That`s why I normally don`t talk about that kind of sh*t much. Well... I should say, I don`t get too specific about that kind of sh*t, only bringing it up if I`m trying to make a point. I`ve probably talked to thousands of people online as well as in person and I`ve noticed that the people who talk the most are the ones that are usually full of sh*t. I don`t mind answering questions if people ask them, which happens A LOT, but I don`t bring it up because once the good memories come back to me the bad ones are right behind them.
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Male 4,893

Squrilz - I think the other video made a bit more sense. If some of the accusations and theory`s are correct, I would agree that we have a big problem. I would feel the same way if manned aircraft where in place of the drones. I think the media overemphasizes the fact they are drones, which distracts from the real questions. Good post.
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Male 6,227
@5Cats: Ay yi yi yi. You tend to paint with a broad brush, my feline friend, especially when it comes to the word *liberal* (an appellation I`m proud to own).

A chief difference between drones and other weapons is that we`re using drones in the skies of countries we`re not at war with to kill people who in many instances haven`t taken any hostile action against the U.S. military and who haven`t been tried or convicted of anything by any court anywhere. I find that troubling, don`t you?

It`s worlds apart from using a howitzer, say, on a military battlefield to kill enemy soldiers.
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Male 6,227
@Turdburglar: I`m happy to discuss the issue because it`s by no means an open-and-shut case either way. I do think it`s important to discuss the American U.S. of drones on an American website such as this because most Americans *aren`t* discussing it--yet internationally, it may well be the single-most hated aspect of American policy. So there`s a bit of a disconnect going on, I think. And as this two-part video makes clear, all of the issues surrounding drones won`t be going away anytime soon.
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Male 37,879
Rwanda: 800,000+ killed by machettes (50%) and small arms fire (50%).
How many people have ever been killed by "nuclear bombs"? LESS than that! Under 400K!

So what`s "more dangerous" in this world? Nukes? Guns? Machettes? Starvation?

Only IDIOTS would drag the debate down to the level of "what KIND of weapon is used". Those idiots are commonly known as "liberals"...

"Conservatives" think the PEOPLE who use the weapons are MORE responsible than the weapons themselves...
Think about it...
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Male 37,879
@turdy: It`s the same as the "anti-nuclear activists" who somehow believed that being killed by a "nuclear bomb" was WORSE than a regular bomb. Or a fire-bomb. Or naplam.
DEAD IS DEAD!
More people died from "regular" methods than nuclear bombs, PERIOD!
And proclaiming that a "drone" is somehow worse than a "sniper bullet" is equally stupid!
Of course, the drone MIGHT kill bystanders too.
But WHAT are those "innocent civilians" DOING right next to a military target?
"Human Shields" rings a bell? Yes?
So: the USA is NOT responsible for the use of human shileds by the cowardly enemy. Period.

NEXT!
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Male 4,893

Squrlz..thanks for the response. I still don`t get the big deal about DRONES. I think they are pretty awesome. If the complaint/controversy is all about the secrecy, collateral damage, legality of who and when a person is killed...that is a separate issue from the use of drones. Isn`t it? Live humans can do the same things. The drones take their command from humans.
It seems like peeps are saying the drones are bad/immoral/illegal. They should be saying the decisions and actions being made are bad/illegal/immoral.
Oh well. Maybe it`s just me.
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Male 37,879
...internet FRIEND! Only 830! WTF IAB!!
*gasp*
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"Maker`s Mark"
"Unibrone Beer"

STAT!
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Male 37,879
@Runemang: "They`re looking at me while I peeee!"
That sounds like The IAB Dream Thread! LMFAO!
I`m liking your style!

@WhoDat: When I read stuff like that on the internets? I`m 99% sure it`s bullcrap. HOWEVER you`re that other 1%. For reasons unknown I don`t doubt your story at all. That`s a compliment, in case you weren`t sure if I`m being sarky or whatnot. Cheers!

@piperfawn: You want "cute?" Ok, Felix is one of the best cats ever, I agree!
Kitty Kitty Fancia is in a class all her own! My gift to you! (this linky)

My avatar is just "a cat" and was animated but that didn`t work on IAB. It was a gift from an internet
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Male 2,675
Yeah, I`m afraid I still don`t see a problem here.

Collateral damage is a separate issue, same as we had before "smart bombs" got better.

"They`re looking at me while I peeee!!!!". Only difference is now it`s a drone instead of a high altitude recon plane.

Flying into foreign airspace that we`re not at war with and without permission ... well there I`d have to agree. For that purpose, drones should be treated just like manned aircraft - you don`t fly over foreign soil without letting them know.

I really thought this vid was going to be about "OMG THERZ DRONZ OVR MERIKA!!!" ... to which I was going to post that it`d be no different than police cruisers on patrol ... just a lot better views and a lot fewer doughnuts. *rimshot*
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Male 5,081
whodat6484 i know you was, mine "you" was a general "you",sorry for the misunderstood.
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Male 3,909
@piperfawn - " You want to do war? At least have the guts to be in the battlefield..."

Been there, done that. 5 times for a grand total of almost 3 years. We were the ones who landed and secured an airstrip near Khandahar so C-130`s full of more grunts, armor, supplies/equipment, etc could come join the party.
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Male 5,081
And my "Felix the cat" is more handsome than your avatar 5Cats gne gne gne!
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Male 5,081
"Somehow (idk how!) I managed to resist... for a while!"
But then he see my post and blood boiled in his veins ;-)
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Male 37,879
[quote]I was wondering when 5Cats would arrive to stir things up a bit. =^.^=[/quote]
@Squirlz: Somehow (idk how!) I managed to resist... for a while!

I`m opposed to drones dropping on US citizens because that`s a 100% clear violation of the US Constitution, which I think is the best in the world. WAAAAY better than Canada`s stoopid "Constitution" I`ll tell you that!

Like @WhoDat says: If other countries don`t like drones dropping on their citizens? OBJECT! The USA isn`t dropping them where they aren`t welcomed.

I`ll save part 2 until tomorrow. I thought this (part 1) -barely- scratched the surface, so I`m glad there`s more to it.

One doesn`t NEED TO invent crazy conspiracy theories, the real ones are frightening enough!
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Male 5,081
5Cats a little anticipation on my future answer to your question...also Israel use rokets and mortars,usualy they like to use also white phosphorus (banned from international comunity) on civilians.
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Male 5,081
and for your info there is also a second post about this topic forward in the front page. Let`s decide where to discuss it.
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Male 5,081
5Cats lol 5Cats this is not the right post. Do to me this question on a next post about Israel Palestine discussion please. Anyway you are against drones only cause is a good occasion to go against Obama or you have other reasons?
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Male 6,227

I was wondering when 5Cats would arrive to stir things up a bit. =^.^=
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Male 37,879
[quote">Anyway drones are the most cowards thing man have created.[/quote">
@piperfawn: No, that would be the PLO and all the terror bombings, rockets and mortars they`ve used against:
Israel
3rd Party Countries
Civilians across the globe.

Remeber the Munich Olympics? that was the PLO, and hundreds of other attacks on non-combatants from neutral countries too.

THAT is OK with YOU? But drone attacks are taboo? ffs... At least the drones have USA Army markings...
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Male 6,227
@Ajd121: I had to smile when I read your post because it`s a clever riposte.

My concern is that is that in using a program that`s as hated as our drones, for every one terrorist we eliminate, two may rise to take his place.
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Male 5,081
ajd121 i don`t think so
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Male 37,879
I`d like to point out that Senator Feinstein, Democrat, is ALL FOR dropping drones on folks. However, she wants to grab all your guns!
Coincidence? I think not.
Dianne Feinstein
I kid you not! She`s recently quoted defending Obama`s drone policies by saying "less than 10 civilians were killed last year". In fact the UN says the number is closer to 800.
Nice try Dianne! Grab lawful guns, but drop BOMBS on US CITIZENS without "due process"?

That`s called hypocircy, and it`s what Obama is all about.

PS: When Bush used drones? The MSM was aghast! Obama does it? Silence. THAT is the real story here.

ALL governments everywhere do "secret stuff" but for the MSM to have such a blatent double standard? THAT is a crime.
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Male 637
"I mean, think of it: How would *you* react if a foreign power was flying robots over your head in American skies and killing fellow countrymen, occasionally killing innocents by mistake or as part of the calculated "collateral damage"?` "

Foreigners flying machines and killing American citizens, didn`t that already happen on 9/11? And aren`t attacks like 9/11 the type of things that the are trying to prevent with the drones?
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Male 637
I am all for drones. Keep pumping them out why put American lives at risk when you have the technology not to.
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Female 6,381
Wow! Look at the bomb crater at 1:34! Those things must carry some BIG bombs.

(Actually, it`s Barringer Crater in AZ. I just thought it was a bit funny because at that point the voice is talking about not knowing where they are flying.)
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Male 5,081
whodat6484 Oh yes cause Burkina Faso for example is well known to have tons of fighters. Anyway drones are the most cowards thing man have created. You want to do war? At least have the guts to be in the battlefield and not in a room with a joypad in your hand while you bombard some place in the world that maybe you don`t even know. Your civil war was fighted on the battlefield by "MEN" not from some nerd kid inside a room while drink some coffee and eat some cheeseburger.
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Male 3,445
`Our use of drones is making foreigners who might be indifferent or even friendly to the U.S. hate us like there`s no tomorrow. I mean, think of it: How would *you* react if a foreign power was flying robots over your head in American skies and killing fellow countrymen, occasionally killing innocents by mistake or as part of the calculated "collateral damage"?`

This basically sums up my feelings about drones.
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Male 6,227
@Turdburglar: Your questions are all good ones. I`ve listed my top concerns about our use of drones in an earlier post in this thread. But as to your questions, I think a potential problem with drones is that it may be emboldening our military to kill individuals in situations where we wouldn`t venture previously because now we can do so without risking an American pilot or operative being killed or held hostage. When the missions are easier to undertake, they`re less likely to be carefully vetted and there`s a greater likelihood that they will be overused or that more mistakes will occur at the cost of the lives of innocents. I`d like to think this concern is being addressed with stringent oversights: But since our own government refuses to tell us what criteria and safeguards exist, who`s to say?
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Male 3,909
"How would *you* react if a foreign power was flying robots over your head in American skies and killing fellow countrymen..."

We`d probably scramble a few fighters before they even entered our airspace to greet them. If they don`t like it, they have every right to do the same.
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Male 4,893

I don`t get it. What is wrong with drones? What does it matter if there is a person in the plane or not. Is killing someone somehow better if there is a person physically in the plane or if a missile is sent instead? If the gov`ment is killing people that they shouldn`t that is a separate issue. What piece of the puzzle am I missing?
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Male 6,227
@Piperfawn: LOL. I can take it. =^.^=
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Male 5,081
Squrlz4Sale wow you have some guts on sayng that here...be ready for the sh*t storm is coming over you by the IAB pistoleros. Wellcome to the club of "rebels" my friend. ;-)
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Male 6,227

Nothing Earth-shattering here, admittedly, but I thought it covered a few facts that I think most Americans are unaware of, viz:
(1) The U.S. gov`t has spent over $26B of taxpayer money on the drone programs, but is refusing to tell its own citizens what oversight of the program exists, who determines who the targets are, or even if the CIA is involved.
(2) The United Nations considers our use of drones a violation of international law.
(3) Our use of drones is making foreigners who might be indifferent or even friendly to the U.S. hate us like there`s no tomorrow. I mean, think of it: How would *you* react if a foreign power was flying robots over your head in American skies and killing fellow countrymen, occasionally killing innocents by mistake or as part of the calculated "collateral damage"?
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Male 5,081
Nice post squirlzy,i allways tought about that.
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Male 646
was that it??

the govt is keeping a secret,

OH GOD SAY IT AIN`T SO
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Male 6,227
Link: America`s Use Of Drones: What You Ought To Know [Rate Link] - Some basic information you are unlikely to receive through the mainstream U.S. media.
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