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    chalket Male 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:22 am
    Link: Who`s REALLY Getting Government Handouts? - Profit is good, right? What about exorbitant profit that drags down our economy? Not so much...
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:37 am
    See this is why we need to ban guns, especially those like the ones that are being held against Faith`s head forcing her to work at Walmart...

    Oh wait their isn`t one? Oh well never mind then.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:41 am
    Faith should learn about contraceptives or keep her legs shut with deadbeat loosers.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Worst example they could find to make their Libretard point.
    I shop at WalMart regularly and I can tell you NO ONE is working hard there so stop with the bleeding heart "Poor little Faith" thing. I don`t blame them for not working hard, you get what you pay for Walmart and your pay scale is schitt.

    Now, I do agree with the concept that mega-corporations shouldn`t get credits from the government. Why do we subsidize oil? The make record profits every year! But then, I guess that`s why Corporations buy politicians, so they can get tax credits and breaks, right? If not, a politician would be way too expensive to own.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:42 am
    In the real world this is faith......
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Good luck getting that to sink into anyone`s head. The right wing folks and their "Trickle Down Economics" actually believe that the rich corporations will take care of their employees.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Oh, this will be fun.


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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:45 am
    The problem is, there aren`t many good paying jobs out there. If you were lucky enough to snag one, congrats. For the rest of us, it`s minimum wage, part time crap. Why should anyone, anywhere have to work crappy hours for crappy pay while the company gets filthy stinking rich?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Well, to be fair, they are a corporation and their only directive is to pursue profit. I`m not defending that, but even the part where it says that Wal-Mart could pay more and then employees would have more money to spend at Wal-Mart is not how corporations tend to think. They want IMMEDIATE profits, not hopes for future profits. It`s a self-repeating cycle whereby people are so poor they need any job, so they take this one and can`t make a decent living, but can`t get a better job, so f*ck them, right? The overtime thing is just dickish though, if they work it they should be paid for it without hassle. It`s a shame that a corporation`s only goal should be profit, they should have some directive to support their employees properly.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:50 am
    If Grace can only earn 8 bucks an hour why does she have a child? Where`s her husband?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:50 am
    This is beautiful. This really explains the conservative view.

    Romney puts this girl, who holds down a full time job, in the 47% "takers" category. Meanwhile the Walton children who have never done a f.ucking thing except be born rich are productive contributing members of society.

    I HATE handouts. Let`s get rid of welfare for people that sit on their asses and do nothing. However let`s make sure there is a job for everyone that wants to work and let`s make sure it is enough to actually live off of.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:51 am
    Wow. Where to begin.

    Firstly, Walmart has 2.2 million employees. This says they keep 7 billion for themselves. 2.2 million employees would each have a share of about $3,200 if all 7 billion were given equally to all the employees. I don`t think an additional 3k would satisfy the psycho who made this enough, they`re just being weird.

    But, as this says rather naively, it that 7 billion also goes to shareholders. If you think shareholders getting money is bad, get out.

    The fact is the supply of unskilled labor is TOO BIG. You can try to defy market forces all you want, but you really can`t. The more unskilled labor there is, and there is more than ever, the less you will get paid. Unskilled laborers are a dime a dozen. There is no wage competition. Several million unskilled immigrants and a bad education model are largely to blame.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:52 am
    DromEd

    "If Grace can only earn 8 bucks an hour why does she have a child? Where`s her husband?"

    He was killed in Iraq fighting a war on a lie.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:54 am
    This is stupid.

    Don`t want to make minimum wage? Educate yourself to get a better job, or work your ass off to prove you deserve a better job. It isn`t the responsibility of a company (who`s sole and only purpose is to make as much money as possible) to support you. They keep AP low and AR high. That`s the POINT!

    Why don`t Libs understand that? It`s a free market. If you hate Wal-Mart so much, don`t shop there. If enough people agree with you and stop, they`ll either close and go away or make changes to please people. Simple as that.

    Ugh--this ignorant crap pisses me off. I turned 32 today (happy birthday to me), and I`ve been working since I turned 15. I`ve worked for more years than some of the users on this forum have lived.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 11:54 am
    I`ve been retired for 2 years now. No kids, and my wife works at a big law-firm.
    I stay home and do housework.
    Quite nice.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    TruTenrMan

    "I`ve been working since I turned 15."

    As I recall you work manual labor right? So odds are you are one serious illness or injury away from being totally and completely f.ucked. Realistically, how many months of not being able to work would it take before you lost everything?
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    Well- this is the UK with tax credits. We have a minimum wage- but in many areas you cannot work full time and earn enough for both rent and living- let alone children. So- tax credits and rent benefits subsidise big business- not the low income.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    McGovern1981

    That doesn`t even make sense, it`s just randomly obnoxious.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    And Trutnerman- well, I am 50- and raised four children and a sick husband- not because I have no education, I have an excellent one, or because I don`t work hard because I have frequently worked two or three jobs but because that was all I could get.... degree or no degree I needed a job so I took anything that paid. So stop being such a self satisfied ignorant twat.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    Wow HolyGod, everyone IS a victim to you. Or at least a potential victim. You live in a cesspool of victimhood. A sad place, that must be.

    I will say again: 7 billion divided by 2.2 million is slightly more than 3k. That`s it. That`s what`s being complained about.

    Address the excess supply of unskilled labor and you will solve this problem.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    He was killed in Iraq fighting a war on a lie.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    McGovern1981

    That doesn`t even make sense, it`s just randomly obnoxious.

    You`ll have to be more specific seeing that I have more than one post.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    Andrew155

    "I will say again: 7 billion divided by 2.2 million is slightly more than 3k. That`s it. That`s what`s being complained about."

    I will say again. Your reading comprehension sucks. Walmart made 15.4 billion in profit, not 7. They have 1.4 million US employees, not 2.2. That is assuming the stats in here are correct.

    That is $11,000 per employee. If they make $8/hr then that is a 70% raise per employee. Now I am not saying they should do that, but at least read and do math if you want to argue.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    If you hate Wal-Mart so much, don`t shop there.
    Well, perhaps there are many people who don`t have much choice. Wal-Mart squeezes distributors, hence the low-low prices. If you don`t make much money you can`t afford to buy expensive items at other grocery stores, so beggars can`t really be choosers. Principles kind of go out the window when your food budget is a substantial portion of your wage.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    This is the future of America & Europe / Canada are next.
    Get used to it.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    Faith should drat a lot more and make more babys.
    that way she could get more money from the goverment
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    If Grace can only earn 8 bucks an hour why does she have a child? Where`s her husband?

    she decided she didnt want to marry a rapist
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    `Corporate bodies are more corrupt and profligate than individuals, because they have more power to do mischief, and are less amenable to disgrace or punishment. They feel neither shame, remorse, gratitude, nor good-will. The principle of private or natural conscience is extinguished in each individual (we have no moral sense in the breasts of others), and nothing is considered but how the united efforts of the whole (released from idle scruples) may be best directed to the obtaining of political advantages and privileges to be shared as common spoil.`

    Hazlitt nailed it in 1821.

    Corporations exist only to make money and have no moral or ethical dimension and if you work there and would like beter conditions you`re a slut and a moron, and if you think another model is possible you`re a libtard.

    Your education system seems to be doing just what it was meant to.

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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    McGovern,

    Nah, covers all of them.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Walmart just smoked the pooout of Zellers in my neighborhood, Kmart? wtf happened to Kmart? the Bay? good luck.
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    Johanvb Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    I wouldn`t expect anything else from a country that is proud of its gratuity and tip system for waiters and waitresses.
    It saddens me to see that a country that is so proud of being the beacon of light for the free world, and tries it best to be more Christian than Vatican city, still has a need for a modern form of slave-labor.
    The land of the free, but only for those who can pay for their freedom.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    McGovern1981

    I`m not saying Iraq was a good place. However there is no denying we went there on a lie. If they would have said "there is a brutal dictator who needs to be removed and it is our duty as leaders of the free world to do it", I would have supported that. Then you have to remove other brutal dictators too. There are a lot of guys worse than Sadam.
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    SageBlue Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Or a simple solution to cut the profits of Walmart is to NOT shop there. Period.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    Andrew155

    "Wow HolyGod, everyone IS a victim to you. Or at least a potential victim. You live in a cesspool of victimhood. A sad place, that must be."

    Not at all. I`m not a victim. I`ve been self employed, doing a job I love and would do for free, making 6 figures since my early 20s. However, I realize how blessed and fortunate I have been and simply wish that every person had a decent life, especially those that are willing to work for it.

    I guess that would be the "christian" view, despite the facts that most "christians" don`t seem to have it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Two reason`s I am not going to get into this. One the link was purposely cut off the picture. Two, the Author`s name is all over Crooks and Liars. That would be like giving exposure to a Breitbart contributor. Partisan politics is partisan politics and has no business in rational conversation.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    The figures may well be off- but the principle is not. I am not au fait with the American system, but, as I said, we have income top ups here- and this reasoning fits perfectly with that. A few years ago I worked for a major Pub group as Bar manager- 45 ( which actually meant 52 on site) hours a week, did orders, cellaring, manged staff etc, held keys. I did not make enough money every week to clear my rent.. so I got rent benefit. This chain paid their shareholders a big dividend and declared excellent profits that year.... so- who exactly did that income top up benefit???
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Most discussions like this arise from a fundamental misunderstanding of what profit is. We see the profit a seller makes from selling. It`s easy to measure and report. What is harder to see and what people invariably ignore is the benefit the buyer obtains from buying. If I freely hand over $500 to Apple for an iPhone, I benefit because I clearly value the iPhone more than I value the $500.

    People clearly see the $500 Apple gets. People do not clearly see the benefit I get and so erroenously believe that the profit represents ill-gotten gains from a one-sided transaction rather than one-half of a mutually beneficial exchange.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    People clearly see the $500 Apple gets. People do not clearly see the benefit I get and so erroenously believe that the profit represents ill-gotten gains from a one-sided transaction rather than one-half of a mutually beneficial exchange.
    Brilliantly stated.

    Additionally, I notice that everyone is quick to consider how to fix the problem (evil Walmart) yet we do not reflect on how we got here. The result of the 1938 minimum wage laws was actually a drop in low-skill salaries because of two reasons: first, the equilibrium wage was higher than the new minimum; and second, companies took this as a standard and lowered the salaries of many employees to the "government sponsered" rate.

    Government is partially to blame, and as such, we should also look into how to fix that aspect as well.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    AntEconomist

    Apple makes money from designing and creating products that are highly desirable. Walmart makes money from being huge enough to buy products at low rates, pay employees low wages, sell products at a low rate and do it on a massive scale. It is a little different.

    Now this is not taking into account that the people producing apple products are taken advantage of in the name of profit as well.

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    If Faith were such a good worker, she would have a better job than working at Walmart.

    The reason Walmart pays $8 an hour is that is about how much the work they accomplish is worth to the company.

    Don`t like it? Don`t work there. There`s only tens of millions of people equally `qualified` to put a can of Pork-n-Beans on a shelf, or qualified to ignore you when you ask where something is.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    But hey, let`s make a company that employes 2.2 million people look `evil` and hope that customers will then go to `mom & pop` stores, who would only employ a tenth of that, and in the process put the 2.2 million out of work.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    AntEconomist

    No, I think most people understand how `buying something` works. he issue is more how powerful corporations fnd ways to make the rest of us pay them a dratton of money without noticing, and then claim to be all wealth-creating exemplars of free-enterprise.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    Really Megrendel... this would be because mid level jobs are far more common than low payingjobs I assume. Of course- I anyone holds out for a well paid job they get sneered at too. Sorry... all companies should pay their employees a living wage. There is no excuse at all to do otherwise.
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    Finker Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    Dunno about the US but the UK still has a class system, goes like this: Rich people convincing middle class people that poor people are the problem
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    @ HG and skypirate...

    War widows and rape victims?

    Really? Congratulations, you`ve exceeded your usual level obtuse.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    @HolyGod: I repeat, it is hard to see the benefit the buyer receives. You say that you see the benefit the iPhone buyer receives.

    Look more closely and you`ll see benefit the Wal-Mart shopper receives: (1) I save time and gas going to one store rather than many to buy many different types of things; (2) I save time and money by not having to comparison shop. Give or take, I`m pretty confident I`m getting the lowest possible prices without having to spend time and effort searching for better deals. (3) I save money and hassle by knowing that if I am dissatisfied with a purchase, I can return it with few if any questions asked.

    Now these things may or may not be valuable to you. But what we know for certain is that these things are very valuable to a lot of people. How do we know? Because those people freely gave Wal-Mart their money in exchange for what Wal-Mart offered them.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    LordJim-"pay them a dratton of money without noticing"

    How is Wal-mart making you pay them without you noticing? Are you that dense that you didn`t `notice` that you had to pay for that 12-pack of toilet tissue?

    (don`t give me the bull that the infographic says `government handouts subsize Walmart`, because that`s an asanine leap of `logic` that does not hold water)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    DromEd

    "War widows and rape victims?"

    The point is you have no idea what someone`s situation is. You are in no position to judge them. You and Mcgovern were more than happy to insinuate she was irresponsible or a slut. How she got the kid and where the father is has no baring whatsoever on whether she deserves to be paid enough to survive working a full time job.

    The point of this post is that walmart can only pay so little because it knows it`s employees can get government assistance. Does anyone disagree with that?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    madduck-"all companies should pay their employees a living wage. There is no excuse at all to do otherwise. "

    Yes there is: Not all jobs are productive enough to warrent a living wage.

    If you`re 40 years old and your only job skill is the fry station at McDonalds, you don`t have any skills worth eaning a `living wage`.

    A Living Wage is something you have to WORK for.

    If the JOB you accomplish is not worth more in production that what they pay you, they can`t afford to hire you.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    AntEconomist

    Walmart has value. I`m not saying it isn`t. I`m just saying comparing walmart to apple is a stretch. Compare it to target or home depot.

    I also don`t think walmart is evil. They have the right to do whatever they want. I`m irritated the governmnet subsidizes it and that society is ok with it.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    MeGrendel

    Rough figures, how many mom and pop stores would that entail? Bear in mind they will each have a vaguely ethnic backroom employee with a salty turn of phrase and some chucklesome life experience but who is basically an anchor. Then there is the work experience provided to the feisty (and/or) socially awkward high school kid working part time. Not to mention the two conflcted children of mom and pop, one of whom will go to college and gain material success but at a terrible spiritual price before finding redemption by returning to run the store following the tragic tractor-related death of hs stay-at-home sibling.

    You haven`t thought this through.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    HolyGod-"walmart can only pay so little because it knows it`s employees can get government assistanc"

    Actually, the government`s assistance has nothing to do with their pay practices.

    They know they can pay so little because:
    -The work performed is only worth $8 an hour.
    -There is a vast pool of unskilled labor that can, and will, do the same job for that amount.
    -The work involved can be performed by anyong more intelligent that a not too bright rock.
  53. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    MeGrendel

    "They know they can pay so little because:
    -The work performed is only worth $8 an hour.
    -There is a vast pool of unskilled labor that can, and will, do the same job for that amount.
    -The work involved can be performed by anyong more intelligent that a not too bright rock."

    $8 an hour is not enough to rent an apartment, pay basic utilities, and eat. So if the government didn`t subsidize the people wouldn`t take the job because they couldn`t possibly live on it, whether or not they are dumb and skilless. Stupid people still require food.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    "As I recall, you work manual labor right?" ~HolyGod
    No, I do not. I am an electrical designer (which doesn`t require a degree).

    "So stop being such a self satisfied ignorant twat." ~madduck
    I`m a twat for being proud of working for a living to support myself, my wife, three kids, and a mother who is disabled and living with us? Screw you.

    "Well, perhaps there are many people who don`t have much choice." ~patchgrabber
    That`s B.S. There`s always a choice.
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    Crizzy777 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Welcome to the capitalism...other hand, would you rather live in north korea?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    TruTentrMan

    ""As I recall, you work manual labor right?" ~HolyGod

    No, I do not. I am an electrical designer (which doesn`t require a degree).

    Yes. That is manual labor, or blue collar I guess. I would call it skilled manual labor. Would you not agree? I don`t mean that as a dig, I just mean it is physical labor and not sitting at a desk.

    Hourly rate on that is what? $30 an hour-ish? My question remains, realistically, if you got sick and injured and couldn`t work then how long would it be before you were totally f.ucked?

    For most people making less that $30/hr the answer is less than a month.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    @ HG and skypirate...

    War widows and rape victims?
    @DromEd: no way, did they really say that? Really?
    -reads posts-
    YUPO! They really really did!

    Really? Congratulations, you`ve exceeded your usual level obtuse.

    THAT is an understatement! lolz!

    Why argue `facts and logic` when there`s war widow rape victims involved?

    Steal from the rich! Give to the poor!
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    @HolyGod: I don`t know what subsidies (if any) Wal-Mart receives. But, I`m with you in spirit 100%. All businesses should stand or fall on their own merits. When government subsidizes, it encourages businesses to spend less effort figuring out how to please customers and more effort figuring out how to please politicians.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    HolyGod, I sit at a desk in front of a computer and design electrical systems for commercial buildings. It is NOT manual labor.

    Not that it`s any of your business, but I make around $20/hr.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    The point is you have no idea what someone`s situation is. You are in no position to judge them.
    @HG: Didn`t WalMart rise from a single "mom and pop store" to it`s current position? Yet YOU are fine with judging how much money they`re ALLOWED to earn (according to your morality).

    They raised minimum wage here recently. EVERY SINGLE restaurant in town raised their prices 20%+ to compensate, overnight. Hooray! Now a $4 hamburger costs $5!
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    `How is Wal-mart making you pay them without you noticing?`

    By employing people at such low pay that my tax money has to be used just to keep them surviving.

    And if you don`t have any skills for which an employer is willing to pay you a living wage then either you don`t have a job or I am subsidising you in a job for which the employer takes my money by indirect means even if I don`t use their services.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    `Hooray! Now a $4 hamburger costs $5! `

    Oh, The humanity.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    Trutenrman- you are a twat because you, and plenty others on here are completely unable to see that there are many people who DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE, they have to work at whatever job is available-- call me ignorant, uneducated or a slut if you like ( well you have- quite a few of you by default)- but nonetheless the logic holds. If a company makes big profits it can afford to pay its workers a living wage- and should do so. No excuses.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    You and Mcgovern were more than happy to insinuate she was irresponsible or a slut. How she got the kid and where the father is has no baring whatsoever on whether she deserves to be paid enough to survive working a full time job.

    You should take a closer look at the demographic we`re talking about it composed of alot of just that. Your solution to this problem encourages people to have more children to milk the system which most of the time the children don`t see because they can spend it on whatever they want.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    I take pride in the fact that I have never stepped foot in a Wal-Mart.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6728 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    TruTentrMan

    "HolyGod, I sit at a desk in front of a computer and design electrical systems for commercial buildings. It is NOT manual labor."

    Apologies for assumptions then, although I do not consider the term "manual labor" to be in any way a dig. My uncle is a contractor.

    "Not that it`s any of your business, but I make around $20/hr."

    Then you are probably living pay check to pay check. considering how close you are to being thrown below the poverty line, I would think you would be more understanding of those at it and less than judgmental.

    Hopefully nothing bad happens to you, but again, you are one sickness away from needing government assistance and having inconsiderate people on websites making cracks about your ambition or worth. keep that in mind.

    The callousness just surprises me that`s all. People have value whether they have skills or not.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
    1586 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    I worked at walmart while I was going to college. That is the only reason you should work there. They treat their employees like crap and they will get over on you any way that they can.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    HolyGod-"$8 an hour is not enough to rent an apartment, pay basic utilities, and eat."

    You`re missing the point that SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages. A Walmart job, like McDonalds, is for high-school kids trying to make extra money while in school (and that`s the pool you have to compete with). It also helps them get basic work skills.

    If you have better skills, you don`t work at Walmart.

    And, it`s all about Supply and Demand. In North Dakota, there is an oil-boom. Anyone with ANY skill are getting good jobs. As a result, starting pay at Wal-Mart is $17 per hour.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6728 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    Megrendel

    "SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages. A Walmart job, like McDonalds, is for high-school kids trying to make extra money while in school"

    Sure, after school hours or on weekends. But are you telling me a 12 hour wednesday day shift at walmart is meant for a high school kid? Come on.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6942 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    `You should take a closer look at the demographic we`re talking about it composed of alot of just that.`

    Minimum wage employees are mostly sluts?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    @LordJim

    Single mothers on government handouts.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    madduck, you slut (hey--you told me to), I worked at several pooty jobs before I got this one. It`s not like I haven`t worked poo-jobs. You know nothing about me.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    HOLYGOD, If I became sick and were laid off, I wouldn`t blame the company. I would first go to family and ask for help before I automatically went to the government. The only governmental assistance I think is valid is medicare/Social Security, and that`s ONLY because we pay into it all our lives. If we didn`t have that, we`d squirrel it away and use it.
  74. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    LordJim-"By employing people at such low pay that my tax money has to be used just to keep them surviving."

    Your taxmoney would be used, regardless. If they didn`t have the job, you`d be spending MORE taxes on them.

    Most Walmart employees making minimum wage are being `subsidized` by Mommy & Daddy, as they still live at home.

    It`s not Walmart`s fault if a 30 year old has no marketable job skills.

    Nor is it Walmart`s fault, or business, that this chick has a baby.

    HolyGod-"But are you telling me a 12 hour wednesday day shift at walmart is meant for a high school kid?"

    It could be meant for a kid that has college classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

    It could be meant as a 2nd job for someone working nights?

    Are you telling me that just because it`s a day shift it should pay more than nights and weekends?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6942 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    `You`re missing the point that SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages.`

    That only works if I subsidise the corporation through my taxes making up the shortfall. I don`t like doing that. They are gaming the system and the system runs on my wallet.

    I pay a pretty high tax rate and a I`m mostly OK with that except when I`m subsidising corporations who think of tax as an optional tip.
    Pay your staff a living wage, pay your damn taxes and take an honest profit from that.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3908 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    Go union, I just got a "cost of living" pay increase for 2013 which is pretty much unheard of everywhere else at the moment. My sister works for the DOD in the finance dept at West Point so I know from her that the gov`t didn`t give out cost of living pay increases to their employees this year. Most people I know are currently getting hours and/or benefits cut.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6942 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    `Your taxmoney would be used, regardless.`

    Yes, of course it would. I thought that went without saying. They would be on the dole, or whatever you want to call it. Then I could see where my money was going and act accordingly. But instead I`m boosting someone`s profits.

    If they can`t afford the labour costs then their business model doesn`t work.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6728 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    IS NOBODY POINTING OUT THAT THIS PICTURE IS NOT OF FAITH OR HER DAUGHTER? THIS IS A LIE!
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    How does the government calculate minimum wage?

    I live extremely frugal and minimalistic with the most unnecessary bills I have being for internet connection and simple cell phone (but no home phone).

    I make well above minimum wage and cannot call myself well off or secure by any means.

    I honestly don`t know how people do it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6728 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:16 pm
    whoday6484

    "go union"

    Well. I think in a LOT of instances unions have forced companies to pay workers more than they are worth which has led to the absolute evaporation of manufacturing in this country leaving only s.hitty service jobs like walmart for the un-educated or un-skilled.

    So....
  81. Profile photo of studioso
    studioso Male 18-29
    58 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    ok,
    all true: but the government can`t just force walmart to pay more. and if it raises the minimum wage for everyone, will it hurt all the small businesses that don`t do 15 billions of profit a year?
  82. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    LordJim-"That only works if I subsidise the corporation through my taxes making up the shortfall. I don`t like doing that."

    You`re NOT doing that. The link between minimum wage a company pays and taxpayer `subsidizing` the company is complete bullshat.

    HalfPintRoo-"How does the government calculate minimum wage?"

    One thing they DO NOT do is calculate the minimum wage as having ANYTHING to do with a living wage. It was never meant to be one.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3908 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    Here`s how it works in the construction industry. Both union & non-union shops bid on jobs, the bids are all in the same ballpark so it`s up to the customer to choose. In this area, the bigger jobs usually go to union shops because even if it costs more (which isn`t always the case) the work is done right. I`ve been on several jobs where they tried to save money by hiring a non-union shop, the job got f*cked up and they hired us to come fix it.

    Now say there are 2 identical bids, 1 union, 1 non-union. The customer is willing to pay $100/hr per journeyman on the job. The union shop pays their workers $50/hr & keeps $50/hr for their overhead and profit. The non-union shop pays their workers $25/hr & keeps $75/hr for their overhead and profit. And like I said, the non-union shops in this area are notorious for cutting corners and doing sh*tty work.
  84. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    studioso-"but the government can`t just force walmart to pay more."

    But that`s just what they would like, because Walmart is `evil` (why is it `evil`? because they say it is.).

    A stock person at Walmart is making the same rate as a stock person at Food World, Publix, Kroger, Target, Fareway and Piggly Wiggly. And the same minimum wage they`d be making at a mom & pop.

    But as `Walmart is `evil`.`, we must complain only about them.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm
    I don`t think they`re evil. I just think they ought to have to pay a fair and equitable amount in taxes instead of getting corporate welfare via tax breaks, local, state and federal, for various and sundry BS crap they do.

    As for this link, the whole point is that they could afford to do more and that it likely wouldn`t hurt their bottom line. And, they could feel better about themselves. But I doubt anyone is saying that they should *have* to. Just that, wouldn`t it be cool if they did.
  86. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    In this area, the union bid would be more like: $50/hr for worker, $50/hr for company, $50/hr for democratic party & $50/hr for corrupt democrat politicians. While the non-union would be $75/hr for the worker, $25/hr for the company.

    The union job would last four times as long as estimated and run over budget by 300%. The resulting work would be crappy.

    The non-union job would be done before deadline, on budget and quality work.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32786 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Oh, The humanity.
    The point, @LordJim, which has obviously eluded you, is this:
    Minimum Wage Laws drive UP costs, which are passed to the customers, which DISPROPORTIONATLY harms... the poor! So the very "poor folks" you`re claiming to help are the ones BEING HARMED by "across-the-board" higher prices.

    AND ANOTHER THING: isn`t it ironic that the very liberals demanding "illegal aliens" get citizenship are the same ones demanding higher wages? Those illegals DROP WAGES by being willing to work for far less! DUH!
    You want better wages & conditions? LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT! Which Obama is doing the opposite...
    And ObamaCare will force employers to CUT HOURS or face even higher costs...

    Irony = Lost
  88. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    SmagBoy1-" I just think they ought to have to pay a fair and equitable amount in taxes"

    Walmart pays one of highest rates of any corporation: According to the House Ways and Means Committee, Walmart pays 33.6% effective tax rate(as opposed to Obama`s pals GE, who pays 3.6%).

    So, on that $15.4 Billion in 2011, they paid $5.2 Billion in taxes.

    Do you REALLY want to talk about `their fair share`?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3908 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    @MeGrendel - Now I know why they always look at us like we`re crazy when we go down south for storm work after hurricanes & tornado`s. I always here them saying sh*t like, "Damn, you NY boys work too much & too fast! This is the south, we do everything slow down here." (That`s an actual quote I heard while doing storm work in Mississippi & Alabama a few years ago)
  90. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32786 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    People have value whether they have skills or not.
    Yeah, @HG, and that value is "minimum wage".
    Are you going to start quoting Chairman Mao next?
    Are you suggesting that brain surgeons and busboys recieve equal pay? Oh hey! Here`s a crazy idea: why not let "the marketplace" decide?

    @studioso: Excellent point!
  91. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    whodat6484-"Now I know why they always look at us like we`re crazy"

    Down here there is only two classes of workers who do things slow: Unemployed & Union.

    I was in a union where a `worker` filed a greivence because `no body woke me up so I could take my break`.

    The union BACKED HIM. Saying that he didn`t necessarily need to be awake the full 8-hour shift.

    That was the LAST union I was in.
  92. Profile photo of Runemang
    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    Look, no matter how you slice it, any help will hurt. Raise minimum wage, Walmart lets more people go and/or raises their prices which means those employees spend more now that they make more, etc, etc, etc. Bottom line is that the millionaires and billionaires will continue to be so. Nothing will ever hurt them as long as they`re not breaking the law because they pass any pinch down to employees and consumers. Capitalism is a wonderful thing, but taken to an extreme we end up with what we have now - the rich have every intention of staying rich or getting richer (nothing wrong with that) even to the extreme detriment of the other 99% of the population of the country that gave them the opportunity to profit from capitalism (uhoh). The incentive for the rich to stay and get richer is harmful to everyone else. But what`s the solution? I haven`t the first clue. Curb the rich and it misses completely and hits the poor and middle class, so ... *shrug*
  93. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    I find this rather odd considering that their lowest paid employees actually earn around $10 per hour and they have a profit sharing program for employees who put in 1000 hours of work within a year. Also 75% of higher level employees actually started out in the job held by faith.

    For more on this issue, watch Penn & Teller: Bull5h17! episode on "Walmart Hate"
  94. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    5Cats-"People have value whether they have skills or not."

    Incorrect. A person has no inherent value just for the fact they exist.

    Some have great value.
    Some have none.
    Some have negative value.

    It`s up to an individual to determin his or her value.
  95. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    Runemang-"even to the extreme detriment of the other 99% of the population of the country that gave them the opportunity"

    Sorry, the `99%` did not `give them the opportunity`.

    For the most part, they made their own opportunity. (there are some exceptions..Paris Hilton for example).

    It`s not a zero-sum game. The `Rich` did not become rich by taking from the middle class or the poor. Many times they became rich by creating money, and jobs and opportunity for others.
  96. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    Other than that we should not have a tax code that`s libraries (yes I wrote `libraries`) long that can be gamed by anyone. We should also be more strict about who receives Medicare and OASDI so I don`t have to pay a higher payroll tax (which Obama just raised TYVM) on the little income I make from FedEx.
  97. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    The `Rich` did not become rich by taking from the middle class or the poor

    As a matter of fact it was the lower and middle class that GAVE these rich people:

    -Life
    -Food
    -Housing with TV and AC
    -Education

    All of which so they could go from poor or comfortable to being super rich. None of these comforts were supplied by force. They were given voluntarily because a family wanted more joy in their life.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    people who bitch about the poor fail to remember its cyclical.

    you raise minimum wage, people next up want their pay raised, etc, and then companies say, "well, we need to increase the price of things to offset all these raises." and suddenly, the minimum wage isn`t enough anymore, so we start the cycle over.
  99. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    Cajun247-"-Life"

    Actually, I`m pretty sure that was his parents that gave them that.

    Cajun247-"-Food"

    Which was paid for.

    Cajun247-"-Housing with TV and AC"

    Which was paid for.

    Cajun247-"-Education"

    Which was paid for.

    EVERY person has these, and for the most part paid for it. Based on these criteria everyone had a chance.

    Sam Walton did not take from others to get rich. He provided goods and services. He provided jobs and careers. He enriched other in the process.

    And yet, liberals want to call him `evil`.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    I had to stop reading when the picture COMPLAINED THAT SOMEONE IS MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY!

    GOT OVER IT! If you came up with Walmart, you would be making JUST AS MUCH MONEY and NOT COMPLAINING.
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
    356 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    $8. an hour is .50 more than minimum wage.
    She`s lucky she has the steady $8. an hour, at least she`s not a waitress making $3.75 an hour having to rely on tips to support her kid.
    Oh wait! Thousands of women do, and I don`t see anyone complaining about how evil small mom and pop restaurants are.
    I`m poor enough that a month without work would leave me homeless and hungry but as far as I`m concerned those that complain about the rich are even greedier and filled with nothing but poisonous envy.
  102. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
    MeGrendel

    That was my point, I was reinforcing the notion that the opportunity to become rich was given to the rich voluntarily when they weren`t rich. You`re right about all the items I listed. So I agree with you.
  103. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32786 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    5Cats-"People have value whether they have skills or not."
    @MeGrendel: I was quoting @HolyGod, who`d slipped that little gem in earlier...

    People have rights whether they have skills or not. However, things like "living wage" aren`t a "right" anywhere in the (free? sane?) world.

    And no one has the "right" to steal other people`s money...
  104. Profile photo of cityncolour
    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    MeGrendel
    so what you`re saying is every person who owns a business and makes a lot of money, has #1 started on a level playing field. #2 Never had help getting where they are (i.e. education(taxes) , transportation(taxes), fresh water(taxes), electricity(taxes), nourishment, opportunity, nepotism etc., etc., etc.) I happen to believe that while a private business, in no means is OBLIGATED to anyone, that DOES NOT mean it`s ok to use the united states`, and other countries` workforce as veritable slaves for the sake of your bottom dollar... especially when were talking about numbers in the BILLIONS. the only reason these kind of tactics are acceptable is because this country has somehow convinced everyone that WE OWE THE BUSINESSES something. it`s sad really. it`s a symbiosis, yet you sit here and claim the billionaires are more important, while the other, equally as important, half suffers in poverty. sad indeed.
  105. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    Never had help getting where they are (i.e. education(taxes) , transportation(taxes), fresh water(taxes), electricity(taxes), nourishment, opportunity, nepotism etc., etc., etc.)

    Education-The teachers and staff were NOT forced to work at the school.
    Transportation-No one was forced nor had to be, in order to send the child to school

    Saying everything else was or had to be paid for by taxes is incredibly facetious.
  106. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    5Cats-"People have rights whether they have skills or not."

    Agreed.

    cityncolour-"so what you`re saying is..."

    What follows that statement in no way reflects what I`ve written.

    cityncolour-"DOES NOT mean it`s ok to use the united states`, and other countries` workforce as veritable slaves"

    Sorry, someone who has no work skills making $8 an hour is not `slaves`, veritable or not. I suggest you look up the definition of `slave`.

    cityncolour-"you sit here and claim the billionaires are more important"

    Something else that was not in anything I`ve written.

    Would you like to limit yourself to arguing what`s actually been written instead of making stuff up?
  107. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3431 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    UNIONIZE.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    What the hell does Faith`s husband do all day?
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    rickwhite Male 30-39
    151 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Some of you guys are such a-holes.

    You are living proof that brainwashing works.

    How does any of this make sense?
    MANY companies are posting record profits while unemployment rises, under-employment is commonplace, and benefits disappear.

    And too many of you are cheering it on.
    Attacking & belittling those who struggle.

    It`s only a matter of time before it affects you.

    I wish I knew you... so I could watch it happen.
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    Selous Male 30-39
    1197 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    faith should start strippin, or hookin
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3234 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    *sigh*
    Minimum wage jobs are unskilled jobs, and not meant to be full time jobs, livable wage jobs. Minimum wage jobs are for people such as students, or for people in between jobs.

    Raise the minimum wage, forcefully (e.g. law) or voluntarily (e.g. Wal*Mart pays more), too fast and rapid inflation will happen. A steady inflation is good, but this would be rapid.

    The best way is to educate people.
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    teq78 Male 30-39
    216 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    wow so stupid, so walmart should pay her more because they can? ok and walmart forced faith to work there? yeah i see, so walmart isnt doing anything wrong... i have a company because i work really hard i was once in faiths situation but by working hard now i have my own business MAYBE if faith works hard shell earn more money to support her family, its so obvious how u want to make walmart seem like a monster and faith like mother teresa, bwaa bwaa the waltons have a lot of money, yeah they work, they made a small busniess and turned it into a huge company because they work hard so stop tryn to steal from those who work hard just because they have a lot of money, earn ur own dont take it away from others just because they have plenty
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    bentley22 Male 30-39
    244 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    Faith can stick with Walmart and advance to management like real hardworking people. Entry levels jobs pay entry level wages, as it should be. Otherwise, there is no incentive.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14621 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    Heck, I`d pay her $8.00 for 15 minutes.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    @Draculya: A lap dance at the local club here is $30 for 3 minutes.

    I like your prices better!
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
    700 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    TL;DR pay Faith more money
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    - What`s sad is the parasitic relationship that is being suggested by this article and you. So the business that has formed over the years starting with just an idea doesn`t deserve to keep all the profits they want, no, in fact they should be held liable for employees that live outside their means and have an entitled attitude.

    - It doesn`t sound like a big deal in the article to cut their profit in more than HALF, but that`s only because it`s a large number. Let`s assume you own a business and the profit is $5,000 per year. And people rally and say you should only keep $2,000 of that and give the rest to your employees. Ridiculous right? Well it`s the same situation, because there are always people that have less than you and believe it`s only fair if you "share."


  118. Profile photo of Liquidglass
    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    @cityncolour:

    Regardless of your interpretation of MeGrendels` post I`d like to address some of the points you made.

    - People chose to work there, in a free market where the price of a product is set at what someone is willing to pay the same is true in a work force the pay is set at what someone is willing to do. As a private buisness they only have the obligation they have is to stay in business. However most companies like walmart are willing to pay their employees more than some other businesses. Heck they even had great stock options to full time employees for a very long time.

    - Slaves don`t get paid and don`t have a choice, people chose to work at walmart.
  119. Profile photo of Liquidglass
    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    This of course ignores the idea that the profit is really only 24.7% of their gross profit already. But you`re right, they should be cut down to 5% or 10% it`s not like they created a service that millions of people use.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    Damn Walmart for making people work for them! And Damn then for forcing me to shop there!
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    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    "Runemang-"even to the extreme detriment of the other 99% of the population of the country that gave them the opportunity"

    Sorry, the `99%` did not `give them the opportunity`."


    "...of the other 99% of the population of ***the country that gave them the opportunity***" :)
  122. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm
    avail9988-"TL;DR pay Faith more money"

    Maybe if Faith had some more marketable job skills, she would generate more profit for her employer, which would warrent a raise.

    Maybe if Faith is a lousy worker and overpaid.

    Or should everyone get $20/hr just for showing up?

    Now, instead of keeping her under 40 hours a week so that they don`t have to pay overtime (common, btw), thanks to Obamacare she will now be held to under 30 hours a week.

    Let me guess, THAT`s Walmart`s fault too.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    I like how some people think that those who accept food stamps are mooching off the government by receiving a handout. This is a very good argument for the contrary.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    "Maybe if Faith had some more marketable job skills, she would generate more profit for her employer, which would warrent a raise. "

    You clearly didn`t even attempt to read this infographic. It literally states that Walmart makes enough PROFIT that they could pay their employees an extra $5k a year without taking any kind of significant loss. There is no LACK of PROFIT from the work that employees are producing.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    SarahofBorg-"You clearly didn`t even attempt to read this infographic."

    You clearly are incapable of reading what I wrote.

    SarahofBorg-"It literally states that Walmart makes enough PROFIT"

    Yes, but Faith did not put in the work to earn ALL of that profit.

    Her work is worth what they pay, no more. If she thinks it is, she can refuse to work for that little. (only problem, there are millions of unskilled that can take place).

    SarahofBorg-"$5k a year without taking any kind of significant loss"

    So you`re the harbinger of what thier profith `should` be? Doesn`t work like that.

    SarahofBorg-"There is no LACK of PROFIT from the work that employees are producing."

    And you`re probably under the impression that that profit goes directly underneath the Walton`s mattresses.

    Faith is getting paid for the work she does. She wants more? Put some effort into it. Any trained mon
  126. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    "In fact they should be held liable for employees that live outside their means and have an entitled attitude. "

    One, you`re already assuming that the employees are broke and require food stamps because they`re living outside of their means. You do realize what it takes to qualify for food stamps, right? You can`t get food stamps driving a mercedes benz and living in a home that could house 10 people. The government calls that "fraud" and takes that crap very seriously. In fact, even if you qualify it`s still a severe pain in the butt just to prove it. I tried to prove to the government that even though I was still technically "employeed" by a company I was getting literally zero paychecks from it because that company decided to "cut my hours" down to zero for eternity. I literally gave up trying to prove it.
    Anyway, I don`t care how genius and successful you are, you don`t deserve to make it rich by paying your employees so little
  127. Profile photo of whodat6484
    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3908 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    @MeGrendel - Don`t give me that bullsh*t, hahaha! Everyone down south works slow compared to how sh*t runs up here. We`ve had plenty of guys come up here and sign the book when there was no work in their areas. 90% of the journeymen from the south I`ve seen on jobs up here were gone in two weeks, give or take a few days, because they were lazy.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm
    MeGrendel, I read what you wrote. Who are you to decide what profit Faith deserves? Are you saying that because Faith is so replaceable that she deserves to earn less? Than how little is too little?
    " If she thinks it is, she can refuse to work for that little. (only problem, there are millions of unskilled that can take place). "
    So she can refuse to work for that little? Than where can she go where she can get more? Ask ANY Walmart employee if they would leave for another job that pays more. I dare you to find one that would stay. That`s true of ANY business.
    It`s like saying "if they don`t like eating garbage, they don`t have to! They`re just too stupid and lazy to eat cake like the rest of us special people who REFUSE to eat garbage!"
    And look, I didn`t write the factoid that Walmart could take a profit-cut. I`m forming an opinion based on the facts presented. You claim they can`t take a profit-cut despite constant-increasing profits based on z
  129. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    ...zero facts. Sorry, my post got cut off somehow. Whatever, I`ve had enough of this retarded debate, nobody is going to be convinced of anything no matter what I say, regardless of the obviousness of right and wrong.
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    B4NND1T Male 18-29
    14 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    I work for Walmart too. They pay everyone at my store for their overtime. And we don`t make minimum wage. In fact, I make far more (almost double) than at my last job in the food service industry.

    They give a raise every year, and the amount depends on your performance. I work really hard and I get 60 cents more each year I continue to work for them. Not to mention they do share their profits with us in a program called "My Share". The quarterly bonus that each associate receives is based on the performance of their store and the number of hours the associate worked on average for that quarter.

    This info-graph is BS. Maybe she shouldn`t pop out a baby if she can`t afford to care for one.
  131. Profile photo of Nerd_Rage
    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
    425 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    Sounds like someone doesn`t understand what free market means. Get a job somewhere else. Can`t find a job somewhere else? Too Bad, Should have gotten educated when you could. Sucks that you put all your eggs in one basket. Maybe you should try communism
  132. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    @B4NNDIT: I make a whole hell of a lot more than the majority of people in my profession. I still wouldn`t suggest people get into it.
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
    570 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    The walmart here makes non-managerial staff work less than 40 hours a week so they don`t qualify for benefits. they have a very strict no overtime policy . They still pay you if your work over 40 hours but they will find any excuse to fire you. They pay just a little more than minimum (the more convenience store experience you have the more you`re paid) I would say a good 80% of bottom level employees are on foodstamps and even that doesn`t cover the grocery bill. I agree that Walmart can afford to raise the pay and/or available hours for every employee. That may not apply to every single Walmart, but it definitely does in Texas.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
    2766 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    this didnt tell us anything we didnt already know before. my question is, what are we supposed to do about it?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant the conservatives here, are. How unaware of how the world really works, living inside their little bubbles.

    Luckily, I know that there are extremes. Not all Liberals are hippies and not all Conservatives are asshats. We just happen to have a large collection of the hillbilly/hick Repulitards here on IAB. For the normal Conservative/Republicans, I know they don`t represent you and I don`t hold you responsible for their ignorance.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 8:41 pm
    HE HAS MORE THAN ME BURN HIM
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 9:24 pm
    If Faith really is worth more than $8/hr., she should go work for someone who appreciates her true worth.
  138. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm
    "It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant the conservatives here, are. How unaware of how the world really works, living inside their little bubbles. "

    At least they understand basic economics. Walmart`s profits have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to what they pay their employees. Just like any commodity, the price of labor is based on supply and demand. The government is killing demand for labor with its draconian labor laws and tax structures. It`s really that simple.

    When a country sees its wealthiest investors as prey to be feasted upon, that`s when you know the feast will soon be coming to an end. Because fundamentally, trying to overcome poverty by taxing the rich is exactly the same as trying to overcome starvation by cannibalizing the farmers.
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    AEimiller Male 18-29
    27 posts
    January 29, 2013 at 11:51 pm
    This is capitalism hence walmart IS still very patriotic, even if it was as harmful as this "info"graph implies
  140. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 12:06 am
    Interesting. Those who defend Walmart- by claiming the figures are wrong, the information incorrect etc... quite a few ad hominem attacks on those less fortunate than themselves. Those who honestly believe in trickle down economics- no matter what the evidence. Very few who would admit that the argument is sound in principle even if they dispute the figures- and a small smattering of people who see the problem. So much for- well- anything really. Reasoned argument does not work with those to the right- the demonisation of the poor has worked. Go read Rawls.....
  141. Profile photo of Andrew155
    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 12:32 am
    madduck, the numbers here says Walmart has 7 billion in profits. Walmart has 2.2 million employees. If you distribute it evenly, leaving zero for the company owners and shareholders, then the workers each get about 3k. That`s what you`re arguing about.

    I don`t even think you know what you`re saying when you say trickle down economics. Bush was Keynesian. Never forget. Spending orgies, embraced the welfare state, bailouts, fracked with interest rates, printed money.

    http://business.time.com/2008/01/18/turns_out_george_bush_is_a_key/

    Tell me, what`s your solution to this problem? Force Walmart to give more? Force Walmart out of existence? The problem with your perception is that you think Walmart`s existence makes people poor and that, without Walmart, people would be much better of financially.
  142. Profile photo of Andrew155
    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 12:40 am
    It turns out that inflation is a major cause of people being poor. Wages don`t keep up with how quickly they are being devalued. My numbers say the dollar was devalued 35% 1984 and 2002. You don`t think that hurts people? And it was devalued a further 40% between 2002 and now.

    The Federal Reserve is deliberately destroying the value of the dollar to squeeze out economic growth. It is becoming worthless. And with policies like Quantitative Easing literally engineered to help the rich, the poor become poorer. You think rich people are making people poorer, think again. Think critically. It`s the Federal Reserve.

    Also, a huge supply of unskilled labor contributes. Now, you say, why don`t we just pay the unskilled people more. There`s a lot of rich people money out there, isn`t there? No, there really isn`t when you want to divide it evenly to everyone. Labor is priced at what it`s worth, generally, and efforts to fight that are usually thwarted by market forces.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 2:04 am
    C`mon fancy, no mention of racism here?
  144. Profile photo of Finker
    Finker Male 40-49
    505 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 3:43 am
    I am generally pro living wage but have one thought: If Walmart had a slump and started to make a loss should faith or people like her find the money to prop up its trading in the hope it turns around? Should they borrow money to give to the company when it wants to expand? Maybe even if you want to be part of that side of things get an online trading account and invest (few dollars will do) - you get rewards for investing in things when they work, but you loose money when it goes the other way.
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    Finker Male 40-49
    505 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 3:47 am
    Best example in the UK is John Lewis where all staff are shareholders - gets staff to work harder, stay longer, and they get share of any rewards. Walmart I am guessing would never embrace that.
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 5:06 am
    but but their going to hire veterans
  147. Profile photo of banur
    banur Male 18-29
    250 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 6:15 am
    SarahofBorg: "Ask ANY Walmart employee if they would leave for another job that pays more. I dare you to find one that would stay. That`s true of ANY business."

    And people should go to the business that pays more, but any business which pays more than the employee is worth, is stupid.

    "And look, I didn`t write the factoid that Walmart could take a profit-cut. I`m forming an opinion based on the facts presented. You claim they can`t take a profit-cut despite constant-increasing profits based on zero facts."

    So what? Everyone can draw an `inforgraphic` that means jack. That won`t make any of the presented words into facts if the logic fails on all ends.
    If people think that they are worth more than their current paycheck, they are free to leave and any company wouldn`t hesitate to pay them more to keep them if it were true.

    Turns out shelf stacking doesn`t require much skill and therefore shouldn`t pay as much as something like
  148. Profile photo of banur
    banur Male 18-29
    250 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 6:16 am
    Turns out shelf stacking doesn`t require much skill and therefore shouldn`t pay as much as something like managing the store.
    However learning the ropes can get you into that position.
  149. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 6:41 am
    The point I am trying to make is that his is not country or company specific. if any company went, cap in hand to the government and said that their profits were not what they wanted and their shareholders would get a lower dividend this and every other year so could they please have a few million quid to dish out to those shareholders, there would be an out cry. This is doing exactly that- but by a sneaky tactic. If your company does not make enough money to pay your employees a living wage then the business model is wrong- your shareholders too greedy or some such- this applies to numerous companies- full time employees who work FULL time do not earn enough to live on- so what do the companies expect- their workers to wother live in the gutter or to go hungey? No- they know full well that the government will step in...
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 7:00 am
    Walmart wouldn`t be able to employ as many people a they did or earn as much money or provide as many products this cheaply if they followed the mantra being proposed about wages from the beginning. You are an unskilled worker or unable to get a skilled job sorry I can pay you or the next guy the same amount of money. Want higher wages have to show something special for it. That profit is going in expanding Walmart investing in new products running the business seeing off competition keeping the business afloat.

    Also how much of their profit is made overseas? How much comes from companies like ASDA (walmart uk)Do foreign workers deserve equal wages aswell? See how much profit they have left over then...
  151. Profile photo of Saunder
    Saunder Male 30-39
    181 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
    So you`re saying that the `ordinary` person is being screwed by big business? You don`t say! Capitalism is such an utterly failed experiment. Thank God we`re all stupid enough not to see that über-obvious fact. Come one guys, seriously.
  152. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 7:13 am
    If your company does not make enough money to pay your employees a living wage then the business model is wrong... they know full well that the government will step in
    If this is the argument, then perhaps we should look at the entir problem. There is a key component that allows this cycle to perpetuate: government aid.

    If we take away government aid, then the workers will not be able to work at Walmart because it will not pay the bills. Thus, Walmart will begin losing emmployees; the ultimate result of this is that Walmart either raises their wages or closes down.

    We focus so much on how evil business is and how to force business to behave that we neglect our responsibility to consider the failures of government mixing with economics. Perhaps we should consider the entire spectrum of issues, and discuss how government has enabled Walmart to behave this way.
  153. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
    SarahofBorg-" Who are you to decide what profit Faith deserves?"

    I`m not deciding. What she `deserves` is decided by herself, her employer and the market. (I realize that`s a hard concept for you)

    SarahofBorg-"because Faith is so replaceable that she deserves to earn less?"

    No, I`m saying that because she is so replaceable, the market has decided she does not earn a living wage. (in a job that was not designed to generate a living wage)

    SarahofBorg-"Than where can she go where she can get more?"

    Better her marketable job skills, find a better job. That`s the way it`s done.

    SarahofBorg-"I`m forming an opinion based on the facts presented."

    No, you`re forming an opinion on emotions based on biased facts presented under false logic.

    SarahofBorg-" nobody is going to be convinced of anything no matter what I say"

    Because what you say has no basis in reality.
  154. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 7:25 am
    madduck-" by claiming the figures are wrong, the information incorrect etc"

    The figures are not wrong. The bit about the government subsidizing Walmart is bull.

    madduck-"This is doing exactly that- but by a sneaky tactic."

    Please quit making that erroneous claim. Public assistance in no way `subsidizes` Walmart. Walmart will pay a stock person the same if they get assistance, or if they don`t, or if they have another job or if it`s a 16 year old working after school.

    madduck-"If your company does not make enough money to pay your employees a living wage"

    Please write this on your forehead so that you might one day understand: "Not all jobs are designed to provide a living wage. There is no requirement that they do so."
  155. Profile photo of TuckFarted
    TuckFarted Female 18-29
    87 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 8:13 am
    I love people that rag on unskilled workers, yet if everybody had a skill would that benefit employment? Because we need billions of brain surgeons and nobody to work a register at Walmart right?

    Everybody who participates in ANY way is important to society, and should get rewarded if they work hard enough.
    In this case the corporate greed is ridiculous, there`s a thin line between being business savvy and just being a greedy mean person..they crossed it. But obviously so many do..and nobody will really stop shopping at these places to make a stand, so nothing will change.
  156. Profile photo of Liquidglass
    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 8:19 am
    @SarahofBorg

    When you are successful then you can speak with authority on what people in that position deserve. Until then you`re speculating from the other end of the spectrum. That`s like trying to describe the colors in a coloring book across a football field.
  157. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 8:49 am
    TuckFarted-"Everybody who participates in ANY way is important to society"

    Not really. The Old Participation Trophy theory.

    Some participation is worth more.
    Some participation has a negative effect.

    In real life, you don`t get a trophy just for showing up.
  158. Profile photo of normalfreak2
    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3878 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 8:58 am
    @Mcgrendel

    "It`s not a zero-sum game. The `Rich` did not become rich by taking from the middle class or the poor. Many times they became rich by creating money, and jobs and opportunity for others. "

    No, but some of them shouldn`t pay NOTHING back to society. A lot of the wealthy are wouldn`t you know it, come from wealth. There`s a DISTINCT advantage to being wealthy than poor, it`s much easier for someone who has all their needs and wants covered. There`s always the feel good story of someone who came from nothing and came out ahead but it`s just like winning the lottery.

    Let`s be honest too here folks. How many BILLIONS does anyone really need? Do you really need tens of billions for RnD and to just sit around?

    If I can find it a billion dollars would fits on 8 standard military size iso pallets. who needs that kind of money on hand? Honestly who needs 100 of those just lying around. There`s being rich and there`s being greed
  159. Profile photo of normalfreak2
    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3878 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:01 am
    "In real life, you don`t get a trophy just for showing up."

    While some people DO contribute more, this line of thinking is arcahic. If we want to advance as a sopecies we will have to put aside greed and personal ambition. I think you are on the wrong end of evolution that or the human race is destined to go extinct.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:04 am
    The unions say Walmart`s average wage is $8.81, Walmart CEO says it`s $12.57. Seeing as how both are likely wrong, the average is probably in the middle, around $10/hr. Having deftly asked that question of 6 local Walmart employees, that I know, $10/hr. appears to be correct.

    That`s $20,800 a year (full-time) which is $5,670 over the poverty line for a two person household. That`s a better wage than most managers at McDonalds or Taco Bell get.

    So I`m going to chalk this chart up to a bunch of unionist propaganda, because the people I`ve talked with are glad to be working there.
  161. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:20 am
    normalfreak2-"some of them shouldn`t pay NOTHING back to society"

    Walmart pays one of the highest corporate tax rates in the country. Are you saying that`s `nothing`?

    normalfreak2-"There`s a DISTINCT advantage to being wealthy than poor"

    Gee, is THAT why everone wants to be rich? And here I thought I fought my way from poor to comfortable for the free mints.
  162. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:21 am
    normalfreak2-"How many BILLIONS does anyone really need?"

    You don`t get what you `need`. You get what you `earn`. (And do REALLY believe that all those billions are going under the Walton`s mattresses?)

    normalfreak2-"who needs that kind of money on hand?"

    It`s NOT `on hand`. It`s re-invested. It goes to investors. It WORKS.

    Even it IS on pallets in a vault somewhere, it`s none of your damn business. You didn`t earn it, you`re not entitled to it.

    normalfreak2-"If we want to advance as a sopecies we will have to put aside greed and personal ambition."

    Ah, the old `we should evolve` B.S. Usually put for by people who want to confiscate that which other people have produced.
  163. Profile photo of Wayoldman
    Wayoldman Male 50-59
    72 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:33 am
    It`s called GREED! Walmart doesn`t give a Crap. As for Union propaganda, obviously CrakrJak you had a sliver spoon in your mouth for years and never went hungry, had no insurance or medical problems. Glad your life was perfect.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1925 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 10:03 am
    It`s pretty sicking to listen to all you bleeding hearts who think because somebody is conservative they`ve never suffered or had to struggle. You think we don`t have compassion or feel for those less fortunate. We do feel but we also know that the solution to most poverty isn`t taking from others. It`s getting people who have a sound mind and body to get off their collective asses and make something of them selves. For society to expect great things from people...to expect great effort even if the reward is slow in coming. Effort has its own rewards. It makes one proud. If you`re the 8 dollar employee be the best 8 dollar employee there and you won`t be one for long. If your manager is looking for a reason to fire you I`ll lay 10-1 odds it`s because you`re not doing a good job. Sitting around complaining about the evil wally world`s business practices isn`t going to solve anybody`s problem.
  165. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Wayoldman-"It`s called GREED!"

    It`s called PROFIT. PROFIT =/= GREED. Profit is the purpose of any business.

    Wayoldman-"Walmart doesn`t give a Crap."

    Yeah, I guess that`s why they gave over $958.9 million in cash and contributions around the world in 2011. And why it`s associates volunteered more than 1 million hours htat resulted in over $13 million in grants to local non-profits.

    The Bastards!!!

    Wayoldman-"Glad your life was perfect."

    You assume a lot. But then, most idiots do.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    578 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Don`t like it? Don`t work for Walmart! And welcome to the America I used to know. Yes, I`m a conservative. And yes, I once spent several weeks living in my mini-van so go cry me a river. I didn`t go begging Obama for hand-outs, I went and fixed the problem myself, by getting a damn job.
  167. Profile photo of kcpd2050
    kcpd2050 Male 40-49
    330 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 11:20 am
    There will always be minimum wage jobs. I`m not sure why a company has to feel sorry for making money? I started out working at McDonalds when I was a kid. I made 3.45 an hour. I worked hard and constantly looked for new opportunities. I have two kids. I know make over 80,000 a year. It took twenty years but I never gave up. I`ve never been on food stamps. No one forces anyone to work at Wal Mart.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3234 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 11:27 am
    In regards to the pallets normalfreak2 is referring; I hope the Walton`s money is just sitting around collecting dust, because that means that that money isn`t being circulated, which means deflation is occurring, which means prices *should* go down.

    That`s the exact same principle that the government uses when issuing bonds; to get money out of circulation.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    MeGrendel- so you suggest that people who run pubs should be children? I gave a careful example- of my country and my job experience and you tell me that low paid jobs are not designed for adults should be done by a part time child or a moron?? Don`t be a fool- you must HAVE a functioning brain. There are many, many jobs at minimum wage which cannot be done by children- and minimum wage for young people is far less than that for adults- and what is the pOINT of a minimum wage if it is not enough to live on may I ask. If I do a full time job, as an adult, designed for an adult I expect to be paid a LIVING wage. If we were all solicitors then who would clean the floors, cut hair, or any other essential job??
  170. Profile photo of Ozmose
    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Everyone needs to look at the age demographic of these posts. Sorry folks, ages 40-49, but the state of thing were very different when you were working your way up. The job market is pretty bad right now.

    You`re the same ******* I`ve seen posting in other topics about the unemployed. Things like, "They can always get a job at Walmart or McDonalds rather than sucking on unemployment`s teet".

    Well guess what, a lot of people did just that, and you`re still bitching about them. This time, because they want a decent living wage from a job they were given no other choice but to take if they didn`t want to be a bunch of "government moochers". I think you just like kicking people when they`re down. Regardless of the situation.

    Sorry, the good ole` days are gone and it`s mostly your own damn fault. Your generation sold off your children`s and grandchildren`s future for a little extra cash now. Look at college tuition over the last 30 years. Pat yo
  171. Profile photo of DromEd
    DromEd Male 40-49
    1925 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    Could somebody loan me a tiny violin so I can play Ozmose the blues?
  172. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    madduck-"so you suggest that people who run pubs should be children?"

    I suggested no such thing (which you know, but can`t argue what was said so must make crap up).

    Running pubs is a little more difficult than placing a box of condoms on a shelf.

    Not to mention, you have to be a certain age to serve liquor.

    madduck-"low paid jobs are not designed for adults should be done by a part time child or a moron??"

    Well, go to any grocery store...those stocking shelves are many times 15 or 16. The older ones that are still doing that tend to be not-to-bright and/or have crappy work ethic.

    madduck-"you must HAVE a functioning brain."

    You demonstrate otherwise.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    madduck-"minimum wage for young people is far less than that for adults"

    Not here. Federal minimum wage is the same for all ages. (Illinois, Michigan, & Washington have state laws that differ.)

    madduck-"what is the pOINT of a minimum wage if it is not enough to live on may I ask"

    To set the minimum hourly wage an employer can pay an employee to work. The pOINT is nOT to create a living wage.

    madduck-"If I do a full time job, as an adult, designed for an adult I expect to be paid a LIVING wage."

    Then you better find a job that does so. Stocking shelves for 40 hours does not earn enough profit to your employer to warrent a $25/hr. salary.

    Just showing up at a job does not grant you a right to nice wage. You have to work at it.
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    gonzoen Male 18-29
    27 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    There is no such thing as "work equity". You get paid for your work, you`re not "investing" anything. If Wallmart suddenly went out of business, the shareholders would lose their money. The workers wouldn`t lose the work they already got paid for.
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    Jury1of1 Male 30-39
    132 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    Maybe Grace should have thought things through before having sex and getting pregnant. It`s not Walmart`s fault that her job could be done by a monkey. Maybe Grace should have stayed in school and received an education and skills to get a higher paying job? Nah, couldn`t be. It`s obviously just the big bad company making everything bad.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    Wayoldman: Your assumption was way off the mark there bud.

    As I`ve confessed before here on IAB, I`ve been homeless, no insurance and still have medical problems. I`m disabled and live on much much less than any Walmart employee.

    Perhaps you should go pull that foot out of your mouth now.
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    charlatan75 Male 18-29
    44 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 11:28 pm
    That was long. I got so bored I started reading the ads on my page...
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 30, 2013 at 11:39 pm
    Megrendel- to avoid getting tied on details I gave an example which was not tied to the USA or to a company- one of my own experience, to demonstrate there are lots of responsible jobs- ones which can or should be done by adults. Your response? you repeat your argument which does not hold up in the example I gave- which shows that the above example shows a point. If you live, as do I, in a small rural town there are only so many jobs available- and it is just not possible for every adult to get a job at 20-30k, rents are high in the South but they still need bar manager, supervisors etc... all you lot can suggest is that I should not have had children EVER, or married- just in case. Or that, with a snap of my fingers, I should gain employment for more. Simply because you feel that business should pay whatever it wants... summer reading- Capital- you might just learn something but I doubt it.
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    Nova666 Female 18-29
    136 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 1:19 am
    drat Wal-Mart!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 5:44 am
    madduck-"live, as do I, in a small rural town there are only so many jobs available"

    I`m sorry, I was not aware you were being held against your will. Would you like for us to notify the U.N. about your humanitarian abuses?

    madduck-"all you lot can suggest is that I should not have had children EVER, or married"

    Actually, I never stated such.

    madduck-"Simply because you feel that business should pay whatever it wants"

    Nor did I state that, either. I stated that the business should pay standard wages for any job classification. Why do you feel that Walmart should be required to pay a stock person more than Kroger pays a stock person for the same exact job?

    And, as we`re suggesting reading, I`d suggest this for you:

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    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 8:07 am
    Megrandel- being deliberately obtuse is not actually clever- so read the whole paragraph. I pointed out, with an example, that many businesses pay low wages because the government tops up their wage bill. I am, actually forced to live where I am... I would prefer to live elsewhere- but as many who are not earning a lot the expense of moving is prohibitive, If a company pays a worker, an adult doing a full time, responsible job- designed as a full time job, with staff and cash handling, ordering, key holding duties and pays a wage which does not permit that member of staff to cover basic living costs while declaring large dividends to shareholders it is bolstering its profits by the public purse. At that time, out of around 20 employees only two - the license holders were earning enough to live on. Of those jobs around ten were designed for part time or under age people- a situation of which all management were aware. It was then and may still be part of the culture that wages could b
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7558 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 8:13 am
    ... topped up. They even had the application forms in the office!!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6163 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 8:37 am
    madduck-"If a company pays a worker, an adult doing a full time, responsible job"

    We`re not talking about a `responsible job`, we`re talking about Faith, a stock person at Walmart, lining up boxes of crackers on a shelf.

    madduck-"many businesses pay low wages because the government tops up their wage bill"

    No, businesses pay low wages because that job does not contribute enough to the company to warrent a higher wage.. Government assistance is totally seperate from job wages. One does not effect the other.

    madduck-"I am, actually forced to live where I am"

    Sorry to hear about the 12 foot, concertina wire-topped fences around your town. I`m glad I live in a country where I can move to where the jobs are.

    madduck-"it is bolstering its profits by the public purse"

    That is a logical fallacy. The Position pays the same if you`re on assistance, or not, or married/single, or male/ female
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    BlackHaze Male 18-29
    194 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 9:49 am
    So Faith got a baby she couldn`t afford.

    Not Wallmart`s problem. It`s a Yank mentality problem.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 10:48 am
    Walmart-as american as the mafia.
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    misfit77 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    Boo FN Hoo...she is where she is because of her own decisions.
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    jacobsona29 Female 18-29
    233 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 5:30 am
    WalMart pays what the the state it employs in says is fair. Not their fault. Tell the states to raise the minimum wage.

    Except no matter how high minimum is, the workers who refuse to better themselves to get above it will never be able to "live above" because prices go up with wages. It will never change, even if minimum was $25/hour.
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    Ghosties Female 18-29
    4 posts
    February 2, 2013 at 4:03 am
    Maybe Faith should get an education, have better financial planning,and maybe stop being a worthless sponge-mean person bitch and deal with her own life in a progressive manner. drated up concepts, I know.
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    qwyrxian Male 30-39
    73 posts
    February 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    This whole "better yourself" theme is ridiculous. Some people are biologically or socially (because of, very often, how much their parents made) unable to succeed at "higher education". Furthermore, somebody has to work at WalMart (etc.). Why should people unable to be "better" necessarily be consigned to government assistance and a generally bad life? For that matter, why should the Walton family, I`m sure some of whom are not outstanding individuals, necessarily receive a lifestyle that is nearly inconceivable to "Faith" simply due to the circumstances of their birth? The idea of rewarding merit via money is fine...but it seems to me that all people deserve a certain minimum amount of quality of life and dignity. And, of course, the whole point of the infographic is that those who are in the middle shouldn`t have to subsidize those at the top.
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    McTabbin Male 18-29
    88 posts
    February 3, 2013 at 8:07 am
    The biggest problem of all is the cost of living; the more business, academica outlets are becoming privatized. So freedom is limited. With life and society being reduced to nothing more than constant subscriptions of expense payments for goods and services. What`s to stop business companies from having enough money or raising the price of bills to promote a mark-up cost to uplift their branding value of services? $100 a month? $300 a month?

    Even with minimum wages and even if Government intervention stopped paying support to people regardless of whom deserved it and who didn`t - the cost of living will ignore the standards of living because the cost value does not represent the real value of production. It surpasses that to obscene levels that it allows big bankers to justify inflation - so greed is at play in this regard. Even someone who has one too many children at home to rely on government support can be considered greed for allowing society to treat them as cash cows!

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