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Date: 01/24/13 12:10 PM

24 Responses to Which Came First: The Chicken Or The Egg?

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    PixelMitch Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    Link: Which Came First: The Chicken Or The Egg? - The age old question finally has an answer!
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    Only a ron of the more would ever ask this. How about, "Which came first, the baby human or the adult human?" The same question can be asked of any being that gives birth, FOOL!
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    THat doesn`t even make sense. If a species cannot be formed from one birth between a species, then how can the chicken come at all?
    The protochicken would have to have a non-chicken feature that wouldn`t allow it to breed and produce fertile offspring with the chicken.
    Was the protochicken born from an egg?
    The point of "what came first: the chicken or the egg?" is to talk about the origin of life. Could life have been created without being born. How could something come into existence that is designed to breed and give birth if nothing gave birth to it?
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    Skett Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Well it always was obvious. Its not a chicken if its not born from an egg...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    Meh now I want some scrambled chicken fetuses.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    January 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    The egg is more than likely an evolutionary variation on the amniotic sac. At some point, the amniotic sac was able to be expelled to continue growing, outside of the body (probably similar to reptile eggs). Eventually, the "egg" developed a hard shell to ensure the safety of the embryo.

    Or...you can let your eyes roll back into your head, fail to question things and just say that God must have put Chickens on the planet. Whichever works best for you.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    So a proto-chicken lays true-eggs that could either hatch another proto-chicken or a true-chicken = egg came first...

    OR - proto-egg hatches out a true-chicken or a proto-chicken = chicken came first...

    The question is naturally what is defined as a true egg vs. a true chicken.

    To me an egg would be a `birthing chamber produced from a fusion of gametes` which would suggest some sort of sexual reproduction. However, sexual reproduction came after mitosis... and therefore `whole-life forms` came before `egged` life forms and therefore you could argue the chicken came before the egg (if we are using the whole life form vs. immature-birthed life form as the true definition of a chicken and an egg).
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    @patchouly - very true :) - so again, backing the `chicken came first` hypothesis.

    ...So bacteria (whole/ `adult` organisms) came first... and they reproduce via binary fission (akin to mitosis which I mentioned earlier), so in effect, the chicken gave rise directly to another chicken. BUT, bacteria can also conjugate which is to use an analogy, a form of sexual reproduction... however, the `offspring` is the bacteria itself as it has now acquired the new genetic information and incorporated it into itself. So although technically you could say there was sexual reproduction (a prelude to an offspring = a potential `egg`) - so if conjugation preceded fission, you could argue the `egg` came first.

    But to add a twist to it - as the bacterium is the parents and the offspring at the same time, you could argue that neither came first and they are both co-existing at the same time in some sort of quantum-fluxy thing...
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    UDUMASS Male 30-39
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    January 24, 2013 at 2:56 pm
    "The egg is more than likely an evolutionary variation on the amniotic sac. At some point, the amniotic sac was able to be expelled to continue growing, outside of the body (probably similar to reptile eggs). Eventually, the "egg" developed a hard shell to ensure the safety of the embryo.
    Or...you can let your eyes roll back into your head, fail to question things and just say that God must have put Chickens on the planet. Whichever works best for you."

    ...So explain to me how the creature in the egg would have survived without the hard shell long enough (millions of years supposedly?) to actually develop the hard shell. Think before you go spouting off trying to sound smart.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 24, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Which came first?

    The rooster.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    "So explain to me how the creature in the egg would have survived without the hard shell long enough (millions of years supposedly?) to actually develop the hard shell. Think before you go spouting off trying to sound smart."

    you`re that stupid huh?

    i guess you dont know about the animals that lay eggs that don`t have hard shells (frogs, fish, etc)
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    ledgehead Male 40-49
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    January 24, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    its like Schrodinger`s cat, not until the box (egg) is opened do we know if the cat is dead (or it hatched a chicken).
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    except, you know, God placed the chicken on this earth, and thus the chicken never hatched from an egg.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    January 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    @UDUMASS I was going to respond, but skullgrin covered it nicely. To be fair, I did mention that in my original post. ("Probably similar to reptile eggs").
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    [quote">The protochicken would have to have a non-chicken feature that wouldn`t allow it to breed and produce fertile offspring with the chicken. [/quote">

    that doesn`t make sense at all, that would result in the chicken ending after initial mutation (it couldn`t reproduce to make more chickens if its the only chicken).

    if you want to believe in evolution, homo sapiens didn`t just reproduce with each other.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    January 24, 2013 at 8:43 pm
    Cecil Adams answered this about 29 years ago and came to the same conclusion: Straight Dope

    Of course, I like his more humorous answer: "The chicken came first because (sigh) the chicken had to get laid before the egg could."
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 12:36 am
    Jesus laid it. argument over.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 5:44 am
    that doesn`t make sense at all, that would result in the chicken ending after initial mutation (it couldn`t reproduce to make more chickens if its the only chicken).
    Not necessarily. Since evolution is a slow process, it stands to reason that the first true chicken could reproduce with proto-chickens. The only difference would be the trait that confers a competitive advantage to the new chicken, which I would presume to either be a dominant trait, or it would grant such a large advantage such that the strict proto-chicken/proto-chicken offspring would be outcompeted by the new chicken/proto-chicken offspring.
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    TuckFarted Female 18-29
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    January 25, 2013 at 7:50 am
    Derp it`s the chicken, it evolved to lay eggs..DONE.
    There saved you 3 minutes.
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    pompousass7 Male 40-49
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    January 25, 2013 at 8:56 am
    don`t need to watch to know the right answer..the egg came first
    what came first? the mule or horse and donkey?
    what came first? the labradoodle or the lab and poodle?
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 9:17 am
    Religion=Chicken
    Evolution=Egg

    I think that`s the reason it`s such a puzzler.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    I just had this talk with my kids at school and this was pretty much the exact spiel I gave to them.
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    razbitom Male 40-49
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    January 25, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    the rooster.
    then he rolled over and fell asleep.
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    foursixty3 Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm
    actuality preceeds potentiality, therefore, chicken

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