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    wzntme1776 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:11 am
    whats the point of this chart?
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:12 am
    what more can be said then what is said here
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:16 am
    Well if this image is accurate, then that`s one hell of a complicated system. I wonder how it compares to other countries...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Bottom line is "My House-My Rules"
    If you don`t qualify, don`t sneek in here.

    But the idiots in both political parties are going to give them amnesty and let them stay. So we can get a whole new crop of 30 million more undermining pay scales and the standard of living.

    But Corporations are People and they want cheep labor so it doesn`t matter what people want.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:27 am
    WoW- quite a few of my old school friends are now either citizens or permanent residents there, but most of them moved over in the late 80`s or early 90`s... they are a VERY smart bunch but perhaps it was easier then??
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    SuperShot Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Nice misleading chart. It tells the total time to "immigrate and become a citizen." It obviously takes a long time to become a U.S. citizen. I wouldn`t expect to move to France and become a citizen right away.

    The real issue is how long it takes to get an immigrant visa to stay and work in the U.S., which you can often get within a year or two at most. With an immigrant visa you can reside in the U.S., work here, enjoy freedom, etc., while waiting for your citizenship to come through.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:45 am
    If any other country accepted as many immigrants as quickly as we do, with the exception of Canada and Australia, they would freak out.

    We accept over ONE MILLION people to this country, legally, every single year. That is more generous than any other nation on the planet. Moreover, we are significantly more likely to grant these people citizenship and we actually give their children citizenship automatically.

    And for this we are racist xenophobes.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Madduck, it was easier then. My cousins want to come over but they are educated and speak english, so the requirements for them {and cost} is much tougher than for a 3rd world, unwashed hut dweller that doesn`t speak the language and has no job skills.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:48 am
    my sister lives in muncie indiana, attending ball state university. she has a temporary work visa, she teaches some classes and is getting her phd at the end of this year in composition and rhetoric, she already has job offers for next year. she is doing what she loves and i am happy for her. but politically and financially speaking, its not even all that easy for american citizens working in america, not to mention foreigners.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7597 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Cheers Gerry- yes, most of my friends hold either Masters or Doctorates and would have done when they moved over ( Good Unis too) but from the look of it unless you have money now you are buggered...
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    CheesyQueso Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:57 am
    @SuperShot, it does show you how long it takes to get a work visa and for most people it`s not even an option. Also, you don`t get a visa then wait for citizenship, you have to become a resident first.

    @Andrew155 the chart isn`t saying that you`re racist xenophobes. Although a lot of the people I`ve met that are strongly against illegal immigration are. It`s just pointing out that for most people who want to come here legal immigration isn`t an option and for most of those that can, it`s a very lengthy, difficult, and not mentioned here but expensive process.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    This clip demonstrates the major economic impact of our system. It`s tough now even if you`re highly skilled and educated.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    robthelurker - there is a doctorate offered in "rhetoric" ?
    {Don`t answer that, it`s a rhetorical question.}

    The education system in USA is so stupid.
    Can I get my degree in hair combing and ass wiping?
    Oh, I can but the student loans are $250,000?
    SIGN ME UP!
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    So, the person providing this fine material has identified a problem. Anyone care to identify a solution? Here`s a BIG hint - don`t say "just jump the damn fence, Pedro."
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    We don`t have enough jobs for the people already here.
    Time to close the border for immigration. Tourists are okay.

    Let China take them in.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Illegal Alien


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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    @Gerry: Watch the video I linked to. If that guy had been allowed to stay, he would have created jobs.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Illegal Alien


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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    @FoolsPrussia
    he did created jobs.
    and made life better for his people
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    Legal immigrant

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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    But you can still live/work/go to school in the US without being a citizen, you only need a green card, right? So who cares if it takes that long to be a citizen, you don`t need to be one to achieve what most immigrants are trying to achieve.
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    Issame Female 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    And *still* our legalization system is far simpler than that of most other countries. Pardon me if I`m lacking sympathy.
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    Darkalen Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    And your point is...what exactly? Oooooor you can stay where you are. Where exactly is the the-US-is-holding-a-gun-to-my-head section of the chart that is forcing you to move to the States?
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    @Darkalen
    "Where exactly is the the-US-is-holding-a-gun-to-my-head section "

    on the indian reservations thats where
    oh, and Canada did the same thing
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    We`ve tried amnesty before, under Reagan. It was a failure because Mexicans are too suspicious of the government to voluntarily seek legal immigration.

    This time around will be no different. Besides, living as illegals they don`t pay payroll taxes. Most work as 1099 independent contractors under fake SS numbers and fake IDs.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    "It was a failure because Mexicans are too suspicious of the government"

    I didn`t realize you were Mexican.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    FoolsPrussia: It`s a fact, why don`t you educate yourself on articles relating to why that amnesty failed instead of being a troll?

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    This is an argument for reforming LEGAL immigration, not an argument for throwing up our hands and for legalizing illegal immigrants b/c the system is too difficult.

    But even with legal immigration reform, there will still be long waits, and it will still be difficult for everyone. Why? Because more people want to enter the US than want to leave the US. So long as that fact is true, it will be difficult to immigrate, and it SHOULD be difficult to immigrate. It`s standard supply/demand ecomonics.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    @Crakrjak:

    You obviously missed the joke. I was teasing you because you also demonstrate a lack of trust in the government.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
    1586 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    The lady that runs my Chinese restaurant just became a citizen a few weeks ago. I was so happy for her because she`s really awesome and puts great food in my belly. Damn now I have to go order Chinese.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    "whats the point of this chart? "

    erm....to inform people of the reality as opposed to what some fat bloke down the pub told them?


    you know immigration is quite a hot topic in the UK at the moment and there are a LOT of people who think that immigrants come here and just get given a house and loads of benefits ... jumping the queue of native brits who may need the same benefits.

    Basicallly it`s mostly bollocks.... my g/f is a legal advisor for an organisation in the uk called the Citizen`s Advice Bureau - they give out free legal advice and advise people on what state help is available. When someone says something like `oh these immigrants get everything they ask for`...etc. etc. and she says `well actually no they don`t, they`re only entitled to x, y, or z after so long in this country and it`s far less than a native brit`....they don`t want to listen to the truth, because the myths and rumours they`ve heard fit in so much better with what th
  32. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 3:09 pm
    cont.

    of what they want to believe and perpetuate.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    FoolsPrussia: "...you also demonstrate a lack of trust in the government."

    They already have my name in their databases, plus I`m dependent on them for my income. So trusting them, somewhat, is a given. That doesn`t mean I approve of their political lunacy.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    You get a lot of <engage snob mode> lower class, thick draters in the uk moaning about eastern europeans who don`t speak the language coming over and taking all their jobs.

    well.... if someone new to a country and can`t speak your language manages to come and take your job you can`t have been very good at it.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    listypoos been listening to jimmy carr...cheeky
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    Good.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 31, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    FoolsPrussia - that video is about a 1 in a million oddity. Not the norm.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2013 at 6:32 pm
    Lower left-hand corner = my favorite. Fix your own damn country and stay the crap out of ours!
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    I`s sure like to see this treatment of Canadian immigration laws. I now many are similar, but we sure manage to get an amazing number of people sucking at the social support teat who have never worked a day in this country.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    Canada`s system is no less convoluted. I`m a skilled worker with postgraduate degrees, working in an undersupplied industry that Canadians can`t fill, working for the Canadian Government under sponsorship, and also my wife and daughter are Canadian. Been here 3 years so far with all of that, and I`m still 5 years away from Canadian citizenship.

    FML.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    @Gerry:

    "The data shows that since fiscal year 2008, the agency has issued 15% fewer H-1B high-skilled worker visas than the law requires. This has deprived American businesses of thousands fewer high-skilled workers needed for the economic recovery."

    Source
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    January 31, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    "there’s also a missed opportunity for the U.S.: many of these foreign students would prefer to stay and put their skills to work here after they graduate, but they can’t get work visas. What’s more, studies estimate that hundreds of thousands of highly skilled immigrants already working here find themselves stuck in immigration limbo for years, waiting for visa and green-card applications to be approved. These are well-educated, motivated workers who want to play for our side. Yet we’re making it difficult for them to do so."

    Source
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    IEatRocks Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    So wow this blows.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:25 pm
    So we can get a whole new crop of 30 million more undermining pay scales and the standard of living.

    That is a myth perpetuated by big labor. Immigrants are better suited for certain roles than Americans and vice versa. Thus they do NOT supplement American labor they complement it. As for the "took our jobs hysteria" there that which is seen and that which is unseen. Obviously an illegal has been employed it DOES NOT follow that it means less of an opportunity for an American.

    Besides, living as illegals they don`t pay payroll taxes.

    So let`s change the requirements, you don`t pay payroll taxes you`re not eligible. What if you become disabled? You get reduced benefits.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2013 at 11:30 pm
    It`s standard supply/demand ecomonics.

    Thus Uncle Sam needs to stop minding everyone`s business.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 1, 2013 at 12:20 am
    davymid: You have education, skill, a spouse and child. I`m sure you`ll be a genuine Canadian a`boot the time you get a taste for poutine and wear a tuque regularly. Until then just grab a 2-4 and watch hockey when you can.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    February 1, 2013 at 6:00 am
    Good to know.. I have slight chance of working for a xxx company R&D, located in California (sorry, R&D likes to keep secrets...) Fortunately i can do it from here but just organizing the inevitable on-location application phase of the project sounds horribly complicated to arrange..
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 6:00 am
    xxx = undisclosed, not porn industry..
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    February 1, 2013 at 6:33 am
    I`m sure this chart is completely accurate because I saw it on the Internet. I say we let everyone in! /end sarcasm
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    February 1, 2013 at 6:52 am
    Regardless of the accuracy of this chart, the fact remains that the USA is a sovereign nation and foreigner have no right to come in. It is a priviledge granted under our terms. If a foreigner does not like the terms of the arrangement, they are freee to abstain from it.

    STFU and get in line if you want in so bad, otherwise, you are an enemy invader and should be treated as hostile since you have no respect for our laws.
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    crucifyed4us Male 18-29
    63 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 7:17 am
    I don`t get why American citizens want to let any and everybody to walk in this country. Right after you say you love neoimmigrants tell me how we need to fund education and healthcare and end starvation in our inner-cities. You people are so backwards. On a side note, just out of curiosity how many developed countries have open immigration policies. I don`t know the answer, but maybe you should look it up.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 1, 2013 at 7:35 am
    I don`t get why American citizens want to let any and everybody to walk in this country.
    I think perhaps it started with "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" since the US is a country of immigrants. I don`t think so many people want to let just *anybody* in, but I`d take pride in knowing my country is so nice that lots of people want to get in, and I wouldn`t treat those that are trying legally to do so like 2nd class citizens just because they want in.
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    Grumpdock Male 13-17
    317 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 8:49 am
    You f****rs should be happy you`re not in the European Union.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2013 at 8:55 am
    @Crucified

    This country was founded on walking in someone`s homeland and taking their crap. This is the America way. Maybe we shouldn`t have let the Europeans in here? Seems to have gone to crap ever since since they own everything now.
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    Zerstiren Male 18-29
    28 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 11:02 am
    I am in full support of granting citizenship to all immigrants, because if I ever need to do the same, I`d want to be accepted, too.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    598 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 11:28 am
    The fact that this left off educational visas and the route to citizenship that many students take makes me not trust it to much.

    In addition, just trying to convince me to grant amnesty to those that did not follow the rules because I think the rules should change is a bit of red herring to me. Just because I think the speed limit should be 80 not 70 does not mean that I do not support issuing tickets to those driving 75.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
    273 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    I was born in Europe and my dad is a US citizen through his mother (my grandmother): took me like a week to get my own US passport at the embassy...
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3508 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    We are the third most populace country on earth with 313,000,000 legal residents. You want to let even more in just be prepared for one-child-only birth laws, higher taxes, and even pootier healthcare.

    I don`t mind immigrants, in my opinion, they are usually better workers that whine less. If we made a law to exile people who don`t pay taxes or have been on welfare for an extended period of time, even if they are US citizens, I think we might have something. A real capitalist country, we could trade Mexico and Europe their hard workers for our welfare rats and government moochers, then everyone could be happy.
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    TuckFarted Female 18-29
    87 posts
    February 1, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    So can the natives kick all the obese bitches out? They`re certainly not skilled..unless being a human trampoline is a skill.
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    infantry0 Male 30-39
    164 posts
    February 2, 2013 at 11:28 am
    11,000,000 illegals made legal under this administration=11,000,000 more democratic votes in urban areas. Multiply that by the amount of children had in the future by one of the most prolific cultures(mexicans), all of whom will also be in urban areas, equaling more electoral votes, more mouths dependent on our countries handouts, moving us much closer to this administrations goal of socialism/marxism. There will not be a way to defeat the "democratic"/marxist party.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2280 posts
    February 2, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Yes. Finally no one will work and we will finally be able to rule the world!!

    No one is going to just be taking handouts. The handouts still suck compared to living in a super mansion on a small island you bought.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2013 at 1:40 am
    @gerry1of1 im losing my respect for you. you have no drating clue what you are talking about you foolish old man.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2013 at 1:52 am
    if you happen to see this gerry, i just reposted what i said here on to the newest thing because i wanted to be sure you saw it. maybe its the alcohol in me, or maybe its just my fierce loyalty to my family but i wanted you to know you it wasnt funny. i was trying to be sincere, you were just a c*nt, and you werent even funny. again, thanks for not trying not to insult me, but i took that sh*t personally.
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    faaaaq Male 18-29
    693 posts
    February 4, 2013 at 10:57 am
    So, because it takes some time, they should be allowed to immigrate illegally? Makes sense.

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