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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:47 am
    Link: Raw Security Footage Of School Shooter - From 2010: An armed man gets past security doors and is confronted by Armed SRO. Includes 9/11 call. Video IS SFW.
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    Nomud Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:00 am
    poo doesn`t start getting real until about 3:10, for those who don`t want to wait
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:05 am
    dont bother watching this, it sucks
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    jmanbaseball Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:28 am
    9/11 call? I think not.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:41 am
    What is the point of this post? I don`t get it. Is it trying to prove some point? A police officer on campus is a great idea for a myriad of reasons. Who says it isn`t?

    Can we raise taxes enough to hire one for every school? Can we also raise taxes enough to supply our schools with books and pencils and hire enough teachers and fund music and art programs?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:41 am
    As @Nomud points out, the "action" starts after 3:00, also the 9/11 call.

    THIS is what real-life looks like! Not TV Cops blasting busloads of badguys, not Movie Heros mowing down enemies with a machinegun, THIS is reality.
    A chubby, pistol-packing police officer trying to "talk down" an armed, deranged person.

    Would he have harmed anyone? No one knows. But the danger was there (obviously) and I for one think this Police person did a terrific job!

    No actual violence in the video. SFW
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:48 am
    @HolyGod: The USA spends more on education than almost any otheer nation. More than they evr have in the past too. By any measure: overall, per student, adjusted for inflation, more is spent now than ever.

    fyi: You argued previously that school "gun free zones" still have armed security? Not at Virginia Tec, the guards there did not have guns. I think when advocates call for a gun-free zone they mean ALL guns, including staff.
    >>idk about SROs though, since they`re police, not staff.

    This video is of the Tennessee school shooting = avoided post. The article for that contained many factual errors, as this video shows.

    The "security doors" supposed to keep bad people out? Also delayed the police by 2-3 minutes, see & hear for yourself!
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:02 am
    HolyGod, not everything has to be preachy and have some deep seated political message. This is an interesting video to watch, and it is a perspective people don`t usually see. That is all.

    Also, don`t suddenly pretend to be a deficit hawk. Ask yourself, can we raise taxes enough to close the already existing deficit? No.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:51 am
    @HolyGod
    "Can we raise taxes enough to hire one for every school?"

    The Federal Government has money for:
    $3 million to study World of Warcraft
    $442,340 studying male prostitutes in Vietnam
    $765,828 for pancakes
    $2.2 million on wasted energy
    $2.6 million worth of budget oversight training for legislators in Eastern Europe
    $862,000 on unused furniture
    $5 million for an FAA party
    $930 million on unnecessary printing costs
    $900,000 for settling sex scandals
    $216,000 to study why politicians make vague statements
    $1.8 million neon sign museum
    $96,000 to buy iPads for kindergardeners
    $700,000 to study cow burps
    $440,955 on an office
    $1.49 million for toilets
    $100,000 for a “celebrity chef fruit promotion road show in Indonesia”
    $168,766 to study monkey poop
    $4.2 million on duplicate shuttle services for federal employees
    $492,000 to determine whether or not t
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Here`s the source for Below

    Which of the things Government wastes money on is more important than the safety of our children?
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    The USA spends more on education than almost any otheer nation.
    -----------
    Because thats worked out really well right?
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Taking a life is not to be taken lightly, but this is a school. Officer should have put one in his brain. In the end, her way saved a life, but if he had shot the officer there would have been no one left to stop him. Just my 2 cents.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    OK: cards on the table, I`m not for guns being available to the public. In my mind, there would have been no incident if the perpetrator hadn`t had such easy access to firearms in the first place (yes, I know, guns don`t kill people, etc, yada yada). We could debate that all day (and I`m sure some people will).

    However, the above issues aside, I think the `security` guard in this instance (though how someone that out of shape could ever be considered a protector of anything but McDonald`s profit margins beats me) should be sacked for not doing her job. She had someone with a gun and clearly threatening the kids she was paid to protect bang in her sights, and instead of having the courage to take him out decisively she chose instead to stand there like a pillock. She`s lucky she`s not dead. Someone that afraid to do their job shouldn`t be entrusted with that level of responsibility ever again.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    The USA spends more on education than almost any otheer nation.

    Don`t talk shyt. It`s a well-known fact that the Scottish edukation system is the goodest in the world.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    @turdy: When two more police arrive (after the video ends) he got really agitated and the three of them shot him dead. She tried to end it peacefully though, that`s what I`m pointing out.

    @MacGuffin: I found out she`s an "SRO" which is a "School Resource Officer" which is a full-fledged Police Person! Yeah she`s a little chubby for a cop, but she`s good at her job, I`d say.

    I think (but I`m not a cop) she followed her training: don`t shoot unless you have to.
    With no kids in sight, she did a great job of keeping him A) talking & B) in one spot, which was C) away from the children.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I think (but I`m not a cop) she followed her training: don`t shoot unless you have to.
    With no kids in sight, she did a great job of keeping him A) talking & B) in one spot, which was C) away from the children.

    She`s lucky she didn`t D) Get shot in her lard arse.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    @MacGuffin
    The Finnish actually have the best education in the world.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    MrPeabody

    So I just added that all up. $954,573,889

    Lot of wasted money. For sure. We don`t know the context of any of that or what greater good it may have served, but let`s just say it is a total waste of money.

    There are 132,656 public schools in America. Let`s say we hire an average of 2 officers per school and they make $40,000 a year. That would cost $10,612,480,000.

    That is more than 10 times everything on your list combined. Hopefully that gives you some perspective.

    I`m in a rush so please don`t crucify me if my math is off somewhere. I don`t have time to double check.



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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    VV True that @HolyGod: It`s not a CHEAP solution.

    But consider "gun registration".
    In Canada it cost about 1 billion per year just to register long guns (NOT pistols, those have been registered since 1936). That`s just the Federal Gov`t, some claim the Provinces paid another billion per year as well.
    Multiply that by 10, since y`all are very large.
    That`s 20 billion per year for a law which... DID NOTHING!
    NOT one single crime prevented. NOT one single crime solved! NOTHING!
    Thousands of Police spent thousands of hours on PAPERWORK! For a DECADE!

    So: If they Gov`t had simply GIVEN criminals all that money? THAT would have prevented more crimes than the registration did.

    So: Spending some money to actually protect children in a way that has PROVEN effective?
    Money well spent.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    @MacGuffin: Indeed she is! She has balls of steel! If it were me? I doubt I`d have that much patience. 8 minutes with a pistol in my face? Ugh!

    And I have the patience of a saint! (Child Care worker, eh?)
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    The Finnish actually have the best education in the world.

    Does their syllabus cover irony and sarcasm?
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    god damn it drating shoot him, when an officer has a gun drawn on them, they have the right to fire
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    @HolyGod
    "That would cost $10,612,480,000."
    So you just need $10.6 billion to cover the cost?

    I just gave you one list of known govt. waste.

    Although THIS LIST overlaps a little with the first, just #18 will more than cover the annual cost -- "The federal government spends 25 billion dollars a year maintaining federal buildings that are either unused or totally vacant."

    I have seen estimates that the US Govt. wastes over $1 trillion of taxpayer money annually. How much of that is truly waste I cannot say, but there always seems to be money for lining people`s pockets and outright stupid poo.

    I don`t buy the we don`t have money for it argument. If the Govt. put as much effort into fixing it`s own waste as it does in taxing the rich, we would have plen
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 13, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    There are 132,656 public schools in America. Let`s say we hire an average of 2 officers per school and they make $40,000 a year. That would cost $10,612,480,000.
    ...which is roughly what Obama spends on his vacations. But you`re right; it`s not very cost effective. Allowing *qualified* faculty and staff to carry concealed weapons would be much more effective and much less expensive.

    As to the vid, she should have shot him at the very first opportunity. Then she should have shot him two or three times more just to make sure he was dead. Getting into a Mexican standoff with a lunatic is a sure way to end up dead.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    This SRO was a Deputy Sheriff, a police officer......she should have shot him the SECOND she saw him with a gun in his hand at the door......Talking was not the right decision, and neither was letting him waltz her around the school pointing his gun at her and possibly others....He clearly wasn`t there for good reasons, and the police officers INACTION put her and everyone else at risk.......he should have been dead in the doorway. She needs a different profession.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:07 pm
    I`m glad @OldOllie mentioned the "Mexican Standoff"! I`ve been aching to vent about that!

    Whenever I see the "Mexican Standoff" in movies or TV I think it`s really, VERY stupid! I mean now way could two people point guns at each other like that! Lolz!

    But here it is: reality! In front of my eyes this very thing happens.
    So I`m forced to accept: it`s real. People do actually do this sort of thing! Well, blow my lips off!

    For all my nay-sayers who think I`m an inflexable "Mr.know-it-all" (that`s a "shout out" to @Mr.Peabody! Eh? Thanks for the support!) I can and DO change my mind when the evidence is clear!
    I thought it never happens? It did. 8 minutes of it. Therefor I am wrong and must adjust my viewpoint.
    Sounds simple enough...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    @It633c: I don`t think it`s "the duty" of a police officer to kill someone. ANYONE. Without first exsausting ALL other options.
    Even if that means the officer dies on the side of caution? THAT is why they wear a badge.

    She did EXACTLY (afaik) what she was supposed to do:
    Keep him talking
    Protect the bystanders
    Wait for back-up.

    Period!
    And it`s tragic that he got killed in the end, anyhow, but it`s 100% NOT this officer`s fault! She did every single thing she could to end this without bloodshed, including risk her own life. HOW can you argue with that?

    Different profession? She needs to TEACH other cops how to be as good as her.
    Stick a medal on her! She`s GOOD!
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    @5Cats
    that`s a "shout out" to @Mr.Peabody! Eh? Thanks for the support!

    Your welcome. (I think. LOL)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Thanks for chattimg @MrPeabody! Good luck whith the baby, eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:31 pm
    PS: I am an expert in raising kitens (humans too) so feel free to ask any questions! lolz!

    (NOTE: "expert" is a relative term! All cat-related advice is strictly "caveat emptor"!)
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:38 pm
    Nothing involving American schools and guns surprises me anymore. I`ve become desensitised to it, it happens far too often to shock me.
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:09 am
    Oh, my goodness.
    This happened back in 2010, and I do not recall reading anything about it? This woman, Carolyn Gudger, is an American heroine. She has nerves of steel.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:55 am
    @5cats

    I`ve been a cop for 32 years, a Lieutenant for 15... (Thus the Lt633c)..that`s NOT how it`s done. So, as he walks her through the building, like he did for what, 8 minutes, and finds the person or persons he DOES want to kill and does so, is that still the way it`s SUPPOSED to be done? That would be a great headline..."Cop lets armed man walk around inside school, kills intended target(s)" If anyone points a gun at a police officer, they get shot...Period...we can`t wait, or WE get shot. Then who`s left to talk to him and protect the bystanders ? Talking IS prefered to a point, but once the gun is pointed, or he enters the school, the threat is too great to let anyone proceed.

    Ok, if talking and waiting for back up is the answer, why did they shoot him after backup arrived ? Should a waited for MORE back up maybe ? She didn`t have proper training, or she was too afraid to act. That`s a shoot scenerio all day long.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 1:23 am

    @5cats

    And NO, we don`t wear a badge to get killed "on the side of caution"...our level of force escalates immediately to match the threat.....As I said before, we don`t wait to get shot at before we act.
    I have a family and a life too....so according to you, I should lay down MY life, just so an armed criminal with bad intent doesn`t die.
    Yeah, right..that`ll happen.
    I will however, gladly do so to protect INNOCENT people, like children, teachers or janitor....I will not value the life of a criminal over mine, or innocent people.

    Sorry, you`re wrong. That`s not how it`s done.
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 2:15 am
    That woman was very patient with him and I have learnt that I`m not so nice. If someone pointed a gun at me, I`d aim for his head. Bad Panda!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:56 am
    The SRO should`ve dropped this dirtbag the second he drew his gun on her.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:32 am
    he should have been dead in the doorway

    I concur, she should not have let him take one step forward after his gun was drawn.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:35 am
    I admire her courage, but whichever class of cadets this woman was in needs to retrained. Either you comply or you meet your maker.
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:50 am
    Why did she bring him in the building ...why did she not lead him outdoors????
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:25 am
    poorly trained on her part and i agree poorly chosen for the profession. this could have ended very badly.
    and for troll points, the bad person with a gun was stopped by good people with guns. but do uniforms really define good or evil? ;)
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:47 am
    @5cats

    This suspect committed at least three crimes in her presence........if shooting him isn`t correct, then why didn`t she go hands on and take him in to custody? Why did she let him in the building ? Why did she let him walk around inside the building ? Policework 101 .....keep the potential victims away from the threat, or keep the threat away from the potential victims.
    She didn`t do that.
    And this "keep him talking" is not a goal in this situation; it`s stop him as soon as possible..The need to make him comply far outweighs the risk of not making him comply....Talking is for hostage situations, when they`re barricaded, or suicidal.
    This man wasn`t there to hand out cookies and milk....and she put herself and everyone in that building at risk by not acting right away. Thank god police willing to act showed up 8 minutes in..She still might be "keeping him talking".
    There isn`t enough time or enough space on this site to list all the
  42. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:58 am
    It`s true: She let him get into the building. There was the Principal and a student in the door-way area, if she had locked him out? They would have been in danger.
    Of course she could have shot him right then & there, and few people would fault her for it. His gun was out, others were in danger.

    The reason they shot him later was because he became very agitated and acted in a dangerous way, so they dropped him.

    So I agree, she could (perhaps should have) have shot him right away, and put and end to the danger. What she did was (I`m presuming) try to save his life, while not putting others at risk.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    Don`t need to see this voyeuristic garbage. Why do people insist on treating horrors like these as if they`re some sort of backroom peepshow?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    Today on the radio I heard the term "School Resource Officer" for the first time! The city is debating increasing the number from 11 to 15 as a result of Newton.

    Yes, Winnipeg has armed police patroling it`s schools. Some of them anyhow.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    January 15, 2013 at 4:40 am
    I can`t believe you people having a go at the lack of training the security guard has or hasn`t had. She probably works 12 hour shifts for $2 an hour and her training will consist of "Can you find your way here without assistance?" I`ve had security jobs and they really are the lowest of the low. I for one would not put my ass in the firing line with the way they are treated.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 15, 2013 at 9:46 am
    @drawman: She`s a full-out Police Officer.

    It was my mistake thinking she was part of the school`s staff, eh? I`d never come across that term before (or just understood it as "security").
    Several articles described her as "staff" and one even called her a "teacher". Shows how easy it is the report the news WRONGLY, eh?

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