Piers Morgan`s Statistics Get Reality Checked

Submitted by: CrakrJak 4 years ago in

FBI stats prove Piers is a lying douchebag.
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Male 474
they start comparing the us to the world

they end with comparing the UK to only the EU, which is much smaller. Being 4th in the EU is much different than 4th in the world.

Just lost credibility.
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Male 15,832
[quote]But I think it is safe to say we ALL agree Piers Morgan is a twat.[/quote]
madduck, that was an insult to twats.
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Male 41,177
@Palfas: Obama`s Orders are out: no eating of words by me!

Most are "window dressing" designed to LOOK useful but in fact? Do nothing.
Some few make sense, it`s true.
Others are "time bombs" they look simple enough NOW, but have the potential for vast mis-use and removal of freedoms.

Oh, but the US Gov`t would NEVER do that (`Japanese` Internment Camps) right?

(Japanese is in `` because they were, in fact, full US Citizens, some 2nd or 3rd generation!)
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Male 505
@dang007 you are putting up numbers for different things, what`s the point? Having somebody actually go through the data and provide something that is the same would be very interesting - I have no idea where it would come out but putting up data that is for different things achieves nothing but confusion.
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Male 666
@Holy God: Think thou do protest to much.

2009 (only year I could find data for in the 10 min. I looked.)

US violent crime (includes murder, Forcable rape, robbery, and Aggrevated assult.)
429.4 per 100,000

UK (Data below, I tried to find the def of Violence against person but assuming it DOES include the offences listed here the rate subtracting out what is NOT included in the US is
~800/100,000.

Still not sure the UK is better.

In England and Wales, there were 880,000 "Violence against the person" crimes in 2008–9, equivalent to 16 per thousand people. There were about 50,000 sexual offences during the same period, just under 1 per thousand. Other areas of crime included robbery (80,000; equivalent to around 1.5 crimes/per thousand), burglary (285,000; 5 per thousand) and vehicle theft (150,000; 3 per thousand).[8]
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Female 8,127
But I think it is safe to say we ALL agree Piers Morgan is a twat. Result...
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Male 10,144
Holy f.ucking s.hit. Why on earth do we have to have the same debate.

OF COURSE Britain has a higher violent crime rate. For f.uck sake. Brittan calls indecent exposure a violent crime.

In the USA the FBI calls a violent crime: murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

Britain adds burglary, domestic violence and ALL sexual offenses.

Compare apples to apples and it isn`t even close.

Let`s have an intelligent debate. Stop being f.ucking retarded.
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Male 411
@5cats "Until Obama "drops a bomb" tomorrow it`s kinda pointless to have a sane & rational discussion. He`s going to go "full retard" and the USA will suffer for it.
But y`all voted for him!"

Sane and rational is the last thing I would call this thread.

Are you going to eat your words or move the goal posts when Obama proposes sensible legislation instead of going "full retard"
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Male 228
While I agree the stats Morgan presents are misleading (of course there are fewer GUN murders in a country with fewer GUNS, that doesn`t mean there are fewer murders), the problem I have with this response is that they cite equally misleading stats. In the UK if I shout a slur at you or spit on you, that is reported as a violent crime. This is not the case in the U.S. so comparing those stats is wholly unfair and misleading. Why does no one seem interested in reporting the overall murder rate of both countries? I mean that stat (which would have to be the most fair) must favor one side of the argument or the other, why is no one siting that?
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Male 40,266

4 out of 5 cats prefer Fox News.
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Female 8,127
5Cats- I think the weasel in in the US at present. Hope so.... mind you... we could just shove him off a high bridge in heavy shoes. Lobbs make good stout ones.
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Male 41,177
[quote]Stats can be manipulated to support any argument. In fact in a recent study 72% of all stats were found to be false.[/quote]
@kcpd2050: I completely DIS-agree! Don`t you know that 28% of all stats are absolutely true?

(hint: 72 + 28 = 100% I am making a funny here)

@madduck: We`d need a hitman who uses a knife, or poison... ;-)
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Female 8,127
If we all chuck in a quid or so I expect we could raise enough for a hitman.... just a suggestion.
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Male 2,862
"I`ve never understood why Piers is on CNN and not FOX."

I`ve never understood why Piers is on.
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Male 268
Murder rates per 100,000
USA 5
UK 1.2
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Male 505
@kittilia, not generalising at all are you?
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Male 15,832
Anyone who needed FBI stats to prove Piers is a lying douchebag is a fapping f***tard.
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Female 4,084
lying douchebag? what a surprise.
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Male 330
Stats can be manipulated to support any argument. In fact in a recent study 72% of all stats were found to be false.
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Female 500
reality check: british people are cruel souls.
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Female 4,492
suck on that peirs, you douche.
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Male 505
@queenzira, we have ARV units (armed response vehicles) that are on standby with highly trained firearms officers, normal units hold back if guns are sighted or suspected (given how rare this is then it is not as odd as it might sound in the US), many officers have pepper spray and increasingly tasers, batons are standard. The lack of guns makes this all seem perfectly normal but I think that is more about a long standing attitude combined with legislation.

As to a dappy - look up N-Dubz, I will make no comment about rap from the US causing increasing gun crime over here but it has been suggested by many.
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Male 617
Jeremy Clarkson should punch him in the face again.
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Male 2,242
Who are these idiots?
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Male 1,920
[quote]Then we shall find this beholder, take its eyes and lock them away where they`ll be safe![/quote]

Sorry, we got one for unreasonable search and seizure too.
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Male 224
"Meh. Don`t believe the hype. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder."

Then we shall find this beholder, take its eyes and lock them away where they`ll be safe!
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Male 1,268
"BTW- a three inch penknife in your pocket is a crime here...."

I`ve been a diver and surf boarder my whole life. I`ve had to rely on my dive knife on a number of occasions. It varies extensively from state to state, but we do have a number of state`s where 3" blades are illegal to carry. Most, 3" is the limit, some go a little over, the rest seem to be 2.5".
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Male 156
2. Sorry, but our freedom is not being brainwashed. And if we are a little paranoid, it`s because the Brits showed us what a government that is out of control can do to its citizens.

Meh. Don`t believe the hype. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder.
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Male 14,331
*Know
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Male 14,331
[quote]BTW- a three inch penknife in your pocket is a crime here.... [/quote]

Gee that seems reasonable....... You now who does get armed police all the time???? The royal family how convenient!
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Female 8,127
BTW- a three inch penknife in your pocket is a crime here....
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Female 8,127
No - our police do not carry guns. If there is a situation then there are armed officers who can be called upon. If I start waving a shotgun about then they would come from Southampton- about 30 minutes away. It is quicker in urban areas I know. O think some police in some places are armed.... but not routinely.
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Female 8,127
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Male 41,177



Obviously, Americans think there`s more improtant things to do than grabbing guns, eh?

Washington Post, Jan 14/13

Democrats are all "up in arms" but the rest of y`all seem to have some sanity remaining.
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Male 1,920
[quote]we will never change the minds of you brainwashed Americans.[/quote]

1. It`s not your job, and thus my suggestion below that if you want to save the world, focus on world hunger, it`s much more deserving of your effort.

2. Sorry, but our freedom is not being brainwashed. And if we are a little paranoid, it`s because the Brits showed us what a government that is out of control can do to its citizens.
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Male 14,331
[quote]Please don`t deport Piers Morgan. We really don`t want him back. [/quote]

I propose bring back NASA with the UK with the sole purpose of shooting him into the sun.
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Male 156
Please don`t deport Piers Morgan. We really don`t want him back.
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Male 41,177



Except, you know, there`s a FOOT of snow on the ground...

Until Obama "drops a bomb" tomorrow it`s kinda pointless to have a sane & rational discussion. He`s going to go "full retard" and the USA will suffer for it.
But y`all voted for him!
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Male 14,331
[quote]Britain has become more violent over the years because the PC brigade have persuaded the politicians to go easy for fear of upsetting each and every minority. It`s the respectable citizens who suffer in the name of votes.[/quote]

ROFL!! Imagine if you could see irony.
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Male 41,177
@MacGovern: Safety? Sport? I use MY baseball bat for HUNTING!

CANADA! GRRR!

Fishing too, sometimes...
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Male 7,774
It`s clear to all that we will never change the minds of you brainwashed Americans. Yes, Britain is violent but that`s still a million miles from shooting each other. Britain has become more violent over the years because the PC brigade have persuaded the politicians to go easy for fear of upsetting each and every minority. It`s the respectable citizens who suffer in the name of votes. And if our politicians don`t back down, Europe sticks its nose in.
It`s a sad sad world when the different ways of killing each other takes priority over whether we should be killing at all.
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Male 218
lol, ure all wrong!
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Male 14,331

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Female 2,228
Peabody, generally when I reply to someone who`s purposely driving a discussion off the rails for s#its and giggles to reign them in and keep the debate serious and on topic, I consider it a laudable public service for our IAB community...
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Male 14,331
[quote]Again, the problem with Mexico is that it`s very easy for the cartels to get their guns from U.S. bordering states[/quote]

Ya all they have to do is ask Eric Holder! No agenda there pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!


BTW if you think the carteks are getting their full autos from US gun shops you couldn`t be more wrong. Some semi autos mabey but fulls no way look toward China and Russia.
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Female 2,228
No one I`ve heard is even remotely interested in repealing the 2nd, and considering that amending our Constitution is a ridiculously hard endeavor, it would take something the magnitude of a meteor hurtling toward earth to accomplish it.

Laws can help curb our gun murder problem, it has worked in other places, saying that it cannot work here and now is simply Dogmatism, and Dogmatism may work in churches but not in reasoned discourse. And as Scalia said, "No right is absolute," or to use a 1st amendment parallel, you have freedom of speech, but that doesn`t give you the right to slander and libel. Democracy is built on compromise so we can all live better on the whole.
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Male 14,331
[quote]Furthermore where did anyone say they wanted "law abiding citizens to give up their rights and freedoms"?[/quote]
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Male 1,920
[quote]I was replying to Mcgovern[/quote]
Didn`t know you get to decide which parts of the off topic discussion are ok.
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Male 1,920
"Solving hunger would require constant infusions of billions of dollars."

I`m sure the world could afford it if they wanted to.
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Male 3,445
To add to Zira`s stats, 74% of NRA members believe that universal background checks should be put in place, according to a survey by Frank Luntz (a conservative pollster). The NRA as an institution opposes such measures.

Source
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Female 2,228
Thank you SirSparticus, much appreciated!
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Male 3,445
@McGovern:

Again, the problem with Mexico is that it`s very easy for the cartels to get their guns from U.S. bordering states, like Texas. In fact, the government of Mexico has pleaded with our congress to do something about this.
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Male 54
QueenZira Can`t say I have ever heard the word Dappy though though I have heard dapper which is just another way of saying cool e.g. `Oh that new car by XYZ is dapper.` So dappy may be a variation on that, don`t quote me on that though.

No standard police officers or bobbies(yes I still call them that sometimes and so do people I know)/traffic officers that patrol the streets/roads/motorways etc. do not carry any sort of firearms at all only pepper spray to my knowledge, however we do have armed police who are used as response to a crime were a dangerous weapon is being used.

That`s what I know for certain hope it helps.
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Male 1,920
"No right is absolute. Reasonable restrictions on guns are perfectly Constitutional."

We already have 20,000 some laws (restrictions) on guns, including the prevention of citizens from owning military weapons. None of those laws will prevent a law breaker from breaking the law. Every time a new law is introduced it limits (restricts) the freedom of law abiding citizens. And yes they are taking aim at the 2nd Amendment.
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Female 2,228
Peabody, I was replying to Mcgovern, do not pass go do not collect 200$, close but no cigar there bucko.

And Crakr, executive action on guns? You mean just like Reagan back in the day? You can drop your little impeachment toy now, becuase that`s all that is, a toy.
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Male 2,619
Please don`t deport him. We don`t want him back in th UK. We`ve had enough of the smarmy, smug, condescending greaseball. The dirty, low-life, scum sucking, filthy, phone hacking ba*tard should stay as far away from us as possible. Pretty please.

Feel free to shoot him though :)
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Male 5,811
@MrPeabody: I think your definition of "easy" is incorrect. Solving hunger would require constant infusions of billions of dollars. It`s not as if you can just give food to people. The socioeconomic, family and individual requirements are intractable. If it were so "easy" it would have been thought of already.
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Male 1,920
QueenZira, the title of this page is "Piers Morgan`s Statistics Get Reality Checked", so the OP is about Piers Morgan`s facts, not "Mexico`s government is too undermined by internal forces that it finds it rather difficult to uniformly enforce it`s laws", so please don`t mention changing the discussion.

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Female 2,228
Red Herring a discussion because you don`t like where it`s going is a sure sign of losing the argument. Other problems may be dire and in need of solutions, but that`s not the issue at hand.

Furthermore where did anyone say they wanted "law abiding citizens to give up their rights and freedoms"? There`s a SCOTUS opinion out there written by none other than Justice Scalia on the second amendment (I`m quoting *him* now? Now you know Hell must`ve just froze over.) where he says, "No right is absolute. Reasonable restrictions on guns are perfectly Constitutional."
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Male 17,511
QueenZira: If those proposed laws are so popular, then why has NRA membership spiked, adding over 250,000 members in one month. And why has January, this month, set the all-time record for gun sales in the United States?

Popular or not, the 2nd Amendment shall not be usurped. If Obama exacts these 19 `executive orders`, then he should be impeached. A little, hysteria driven, safety promise is not worth loosing our essential freedoms.
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Male 1,920
And if the argument is because removing guns save lives, especially those of children, then there are bigger fish to fry (pun intended).
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Male 14,331
@QueenZira

Ooooh a shiny bar graph!! Do you know how easy sats are to skew? Pew reasearch center well that`s certainly Pew. Tell me what demographic they asked these question to?


Diarrhea is the number one killer of children in the world. WE NEED MORE BOWEL CONTROL!!

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Male 1,920
[quote]Mrpeabody, why should anyone have to argue a Red Herring in the middle of another completely different discussion? [/quote]

It is no more a Red Herring than arguing that law abiding citizens should give up their rights and freedoms because of the actions of individuals that break the law.
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Female 2,228
Mrpeabody, why should anyone have to argue a Red Herring in the middle of another completely different discussion?
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Male 1,920
I wonder why guns are such an emergency when 18,000 children die every day of hunger.
(Yes, it`s from 2007, but nothing significant has changed in these figures)

Why isn`t this the headline of every news story, everyday? Hunger is much easier to solve than gun violence, yet no one seems to care that tens of thousands of children suffer and die because of it EVERY DAY. It`s a little hypocritical isn`t it? Especially those of you who are not Americans who want to point out that 11,000 people died from gun violence in one year. Please argue why gun control is more important than this.

(And no you cannot argue that gun violence is senseless death that is preventable. Suffering and death from hunger has that beat ten times over.)
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Female 2,228
While I`m at it, can any of our UK readership help me out with a few things here? Firstly, what is a "Dappy"? Do your cops really not carry at all? (I`ve heard different things from different people). And do you still call them "Bobbies"? I`m genuinely interested/curious about the above, can someone take pity on this little lost Yank? ;-)
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Female 2,228
V Did you ever consider that Mexico`s government is too undermined by internal forces that it finds it rather difficult to uniformly enforce it`s laws?

And what Americans think about gun policy on the whole:

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Male 14,331
@FoolsPrussia

If you`d look at Mexico you`d see laws won`t change anything. It was even said here the UK`s laws had no impact whatsoever.
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Male 646
I don`t think that you can reasonably compare crime in the US to Jamaica. If you do, then you have to look at the countries that have a lower crime rate as well, like Afghanistan and Palestine.
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Male 3,445
This whole argument seems rather silly. Different countries have different ways of defining violent crime. Different countries also have different crime problems. In the U.S., gun crime and gun deaths are clearly a problem when compared with other stable countries. So the responsibility of the lawmakers should be to take appropriate action to reduce the problem. That`s all the gun control debate is about. It`s not about banning guns, because that`s not going to happen here.
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Male 5,811
Fact-check FAIL.
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Male 5,811
FFS this has been circulating around the web and it`s the same tired nonsense. "Violent crime" isn`t a standard definition.
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Male 4
go to 2.00 and listen to this guy state very clearly that in a country that bans guns there is obviously lower gun crime... For the slow, this is the whole point of banning guns. It lowers gun crime in every country that does it!!!

Australia banned guns and saw a decrease in crimes related to guns without an increase in non-gun related crimes...
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Male 40,266


thenedman, [quote]"For the last time ... " [/quote]
Thank Gawd! Now we don`t have to listen to that anymore.
Why are the Brits so violent? It`s Irish, that`s why!
Nothin` but mischief in them people!
At least, that`s what me granny taught me.
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Male 319
@madduck my dad used to be a rifle shooter for his city and he was telling me about how tight it used to be even back in the late 60s. His mate once got done in for having his one shot rifle, in his car boot, in its locked box with no ammo while he was having a drink in the pub.
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Male 3,445
This chart is pretty interesting.
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Male 505
@Andrew155, the UK idea of a violent crime and South America`s differ somewhat but as always taking headline figures and thinking you can compare them without checking in more detail is daft. Starting by asking does this make sense is a good starting point.
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Male 14,331
@Fwoggie2

Record gun sales and over 100,000 new NRA members in the last 18 or so days tells me politicians aren`t listening. I`m sure your more in touch with what we want though being from the UK.....
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Female 8,127
okay- Piers Morgan is a twat. Did you know that in the UK being spat upon by Dappy is a violent crime? Also being pushed- lightly? It is an assault to shout at someone.. these stats have a lot to do with how crime is reported and recorded. The UK has not ever had a gun culture and gun laws are very tight now- but have not been lax since well before I can remember so very few people here will have seen a gun, those who did national service will have done, but since then they are rare. It is pretty damn safe here, despite what you read in the Mail- which is the most terrible lying rag out...
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Male 687
what i noticed was that he "forgot" to mention the overall crime rate in the US.
And what does violent crime mean anyway?
If a guy comes into a shop with a gun and says : "gimme all your money or die!" is that considered a non violent crime because nobody got hurt?
Also..if someone tries to steal your wallet and he punches you..or something..that`s considered a violent crime because someone got hurt.
It makes sense that the UK would have a higher "violent" crime rate because someone might beat you when he steals something from you...but at least you wont be shot .
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Male 22
Screw the stats - any douche can twist them to prove an argument. They`re like the bible in that respect. The important thing is that the US promises to NEVER let Morgan back in the UK. Do you know how long it took us to get rid of the smarmy fecker?
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Male 4,317
i have been tell you that for yaers
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Male 3,445
@5Cats, do you know how many people live in North Dakota? It`s almost impossible to FIND someone to shoot.
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Male 41,177
North Dakota has strong 2nd amendment laws and lots of people own guns.
Must lead to tons of "gun murders" right?

9 murders: 4 with guns, 4 with knives 1 other.
Compare to the RATE of gun murder in "strict" places? It`s very low indeed.

Big, complex Table of Data
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Male 41,177
Also: This Chart Which shows black Americans are over half of those murdered, but only 14% (apx) of the population. They`re also in the majority for being the murderers too.

There are many problems in the USA, but "banning guns" will solve exactly ZERO of them.
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Male 1,803
And please do not cite the daily mail, that`s like citing the national enquirer as a source of facts-you-can-rely-on. Please don`t believe that crap.
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Male 1,803
His stats aside - McGovern1981 - I`m not sure the majority do strongly disagree with this agenda though.
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Male 41,177
Alex Jones is a "nutter" who Morgan brought on his show to deliberatly cause a fuss.

It`s Geraldo Rivera all over again! Minus the flying chair.

Morgan got "schooled" by Ben Shapiro, we should put THAT video up, eh?
Fair is fair.

Cue the Euro-crybabies claiming "violence isn`t violence"...
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Male 319
P.S Piers is a dick there is no question about this.
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Male 319
For the last time we classify violent crime differently then everywhere else. Yes it may still be very high but can news organisations please stop using that number.

Also he didn`t even get our population right, we even had a census in 2011.
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Male 11,739
Numbers and stats are so reliable.
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Male 311
mmmmmm....numbers......
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Male 2,578
I would also add that the UK murder rate did not fall after the gun ban.

If you compare British murder rates to American murder rates over the past 200 years, the UK has always had a much lower murder rate. For most of that time, the two places had rather similar gun laws.

Enough with the one-dimensional analysis, people.
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Male 2,551
"FBI stats prove Piers is a lying douchebag."
You really needed statistics to do that?
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Male 505
I have no love of Piers but only comparing the UK with other EU countries seems a bit odd. Why not compare with one of the less violent countries in the EU then if it is about facts rather than bias. Both sides are as bad at playing games in this argument. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Male 14,331
Lets not let facts get in the way of pushing an absurd agenda that the majority strongly disagrees with!
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Male 40,266

I`ve never understood why Piers is on CNN and not FOX.
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Male 3,289
Stating that the statistics and definitions are all skewed, MacMuffin rants in 3... 2... 1...
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Male 17,511
Link: Piers Morgan`s Statistics Get Reality Checked [Rate Link] - FBI stats prove Piers is a lying douchebag.
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