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99 Responses to NRA Says AR-15`s Useful for Hunting & Home Defence

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Link: NRA Says AR-15`s Useful for Hunting & Home Defence - Gun advocates say despite its looks, AR-15-style rifles are no more dangerous than any other gun. Not so says its design
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    BLACK RIFLE IS EBILZZZ!!!! EBILZZZ!!!! Mini-14 oh that`s ok.....


    ROFL you ant-gunners!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    Hey I ever show you guys my guns........lol......

    I`ll be good just me AR show me your ARs guys!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    and gals!
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    Spearman113 Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    McGovern, don`t expect Fancy to ever agree with anything that has to do with guns. I bet when he was in elementary school, he called the police because all the other kids were using their thumb and pointer finger to shoot each other.


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    Spearman113 Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    They`re deadly, after all.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    I`m all for guns but honestly my one question is how do you keep this out of the hands of a lunatic? Being able to mow 20+ people down in seconds is a little much. What`s the solution to this problem with mass murders? How do you prevent someone with mental health problems from acquiring weapons?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    I`d rather get hit with the .223 caliber (5.56mm) ammo fired by an AR-15 than a .308 Winchester (.30-06 or 7.62mm)fired by most hunting rifles any day of the week.

    @McGovern1981 - I love those collapsible stocks, and the ghetto grip. Had them on my M4, came in handy for close quarters.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    Yep, I guess if you want your meat pre-shredded to bits, the AR-15 is your gun! Yay for 10+ rounds per second weapons!

    Oh, I know, I know they`re not fully automatic. My ass. So, whatever.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    fine, ban my `assault rifles`, i`l just start using pistols


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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Funny, the guy that wrote this article doesn`t understand guns any better than any other person calling for "assault weapons" bans. They are ALL ignorant.

    First, AR-style rifles are extremely smooth, stupid accurate, light, and are made in "deer" caliber chambers, and can be GREAT for hunting.

    Second, arguing that we can ban them because they aren`t as good as a hand gun in home defence makes no sense... because that means that at close range a hand gun can kill people just as quickly and effectively as an assault rifle. Might as well ban everything but bolt-actions then. This guy says the NRA`s stance is ludicrous, but doesn`t see the idiocy of his argument that it`s the style of gun that makes them deadly.

    Third, many non-assault style rifles, like a ranch-stock mini-14 are just as deadly as an AR style gun. Heck, even if you have a bolt action rifle with detachable magazine you could kill one person every second if you were an insa
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    Yay for 10+ rounds per second weapons

    any rifle used for hunting is limited to 5 rounds already...theres no shredding involved.
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    Sealamino Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    an AR-15 is semi-automatic. That means one pull of the trigger equals one bullet. Exactly the same as a handgun. You can only shoot it as fast as you can pull the trigger, again same as a handgun.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    I have a rather large asortment of swords and knives, but no guns. I`m cheap and don`t want to have to get bullets, or a gun liscence, or a gun.
    Fired a bunch though a few years ago.
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    stevecall Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    my buddy`s ex-wife makes $69/hour on the internet. She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her pay was $16163 just working on the internet for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more.... www.BIT40.com
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    "home defense and hunting for dummies"
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:26 pm
    Sealamino, the AR-15 is semi-automatic about as much as a bear doesn`t poo in the woods. Come one, man, do you honestly think we`re that dumb?
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    Toider Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    I`ve used an AR-15 effectively as a varmint rifle. Sure, you`d look like a tool trying to take down an elk with one...but you could certainly do it.

    I don`t understand why the "home defense" argument doesn`t stand for itself. I suppose the NRA has to resort to the lesser arguments in order to assuage the rabid anti-gun mob.
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    Guss Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Banning a specific make/model gun because somebody shot at a school is rubbish, it`s not gonna do anything. It`s like banning a specific make/model CAR because somebody ran over an entire kindergarden on a fieldtrip... People that think that way are just stupid, lifeless objects don`t do evil, people do.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    @SmagBoy1 - You clearly have no idea what a semi-automatic firearm is, do you? The explanation Sealamino gave is 100% correct, you are stupid.
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    lungcancerz Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    I get to decide how to spend my private time and with what tools to spend it. you, nor anyone else, should get to decide whether the gun i choose to recreate with or protect my home with, is appropriate. I am a sane and law abiding citizen and have earned the right to do as i please and with what i please. if we are going to start banning things because we don`t like them in the name of the public good then lets start with american idol, maury povich, judge judy, survivor, the view, the talk, according to jim, jersey shore, 18 and pregnant, and a bunch of other crap i don`t have space to list. i`m not saying i hate tv, i watch quite alot of it i just hate those shows and shows like them and i think they are making people dumber and dumber with every minute they watch them. So as long as we get to get on our high horses and direct someone elses life....
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    No, whodat6484, I know exactly what it is, and I know exactly how easily an AR-15 can be "altered" (or, shall we say, "fixed") to make it fully automatic. Which is what they`re made to be and what they are save for a small adjustment (I`ve already posted a link). I`m not nearly as stupid as you assume I am.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    "I get to decide how to spend my private time and with what tools to spend it. you, nor anyone else, should get to decide whether the gun i choose to recreate with or protect my home with, is appropriate."

    EXACTLY! I`m still waiting for nuclear bombs to become available to the public. I`m the one who decides what is appropriate or not, and I think nuclear bombs are appropriate so I have the right to own one.

    signed: NOT a terrorist
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    @whodat6484

    LOL ghetto grip! Never heard that but they`re nice alot more ergonomic but you know that.

    @SmagBoy1

    It`s semi-auto so`s this....


    I can fire them both at pretty much the exact same rate. Ever notice the ones that want to dictate guns are the people who have no clue about them?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    McGovern, if you buy an AR-15 and don`t make it fully automatic, that`s on you. But let`s not pretend that that`s exactly what everyone does. And easily. Lamborghini sells cars here in the US with "limiters" installed to make them street legal here. Are you going to call that car a family sedan because it`s been limited? Or are you simply going to remove the limiter and call it what it is. Whatever.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    @SmagBoy1

    Are you talking about a bump firing stock? That`s very impractical you won`t hit anything unless u get lucky. Other ways well I don`t know them but I`ll bet they aren`t legal.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Note that the article suggests that a handgun is more useful for home defence. There are circumstances in which an AR-15 would be more useful, but if you only have one firearm then yes, a handgun is probably the better choice.

    However that is not very good for Slate`s case for legislation to prevent gun crime. Rifles are used less often in murders in America than hammers and clubs; they are used less often than brute force with no weapon.

    For the same reason they are better for self-defence, handguns are most used for nefarious purposes.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    @SmagBoy1 - Well, we`re not talking about "altered" AR-15`s, are we? We`re talking about semi-automatic AR-15`s that are legal and sold commercially. Once it`s altered by the owner it`s no longer legal to own depending on what state you live in.

    @McGovern1981 - Yeah, that`s what we called them when we started getting them. Ghetto-grip sounds way better than `foregrip` as they call it. Usually every piece of gear that is issued to Marines, sailors & soldiers either already has a ridiculous nickname or soon gets one.
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    lungcancerz Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    @canoas wow, big jump from an AR to a nuclear weapons. but then i guess in an anti-gun nut`s eyes they are the same thing. An Ar is something i can currently legally own and have as a hobby. never have i or anyone else been able to buy a nuclear bomb legally as a private citizen. to expensive, difficult to handle etc. however home defense does not just include defense from criminals but also defending yourself from a corrupt government. a government should be afraid of its people not vice versa
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    No, whodat6484, I know exactly what it is, and I know exactly how easily an AR-15 can be "altered" (or, shall we say, "fixed") to make it fully automatic. Which is what they`re made to be and what they are save for a small adjustment (I`ve already posted a link). I`m not nearly as stupid as you assume I am.
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    lungcancerz Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    mmm smagboy1 the no nothing no-it-all. is your name short for small bag boy or is smag actually a misspelling of smeg which is a name for ball cheese. are you just ball cheese boy the first
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    I already read that comment. Try another one instead of using the "copy & paste" function.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    @lungcancerz
    Your argument was that each person is entitled to whatever weapon they see fit to protect themselves or just have fun with it, but now you`re saying there`s a limit?
    Good, I agree with that, and that limit should not include semi-automatic rifles.

    Why do you need a semi-automatic to protect your home? It actually takes longer to point and is much more visible, so they`ll kill you before you`re ready to shoot.
    But do you know what a semi-automatic is useful for? Breaking into other people`s homes and ensuring they can`t protect themselves.

    A semi-automatics gives law abiding citizens a huge disavantage against criminals.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    @whodat
    whether you`ve read his comment or not doesn`t change the fact that the gun in question is easily modifiable into a full-automatic weapon.

    Instead of saying you`ve read it why don`t you try saying why he`s wrong?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    @whodat6484

    LOL! Semper Fidelis carry on.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    Where`s this link???
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    A marine will probably like this one too getting historical a bit.....


    real fun to shoot but ammo prices for it are a kick in the nuts.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    Wow, love the whole bump fire == full auto argument..
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    @Canoas - I already stated why he`s wrong. We`re talking about AR-15`s that are legal to own and use, therefore they are semi-auto. Once modified, they are illegal and if you truly want to modify the weapon to be automatic as well as safe (won`t blow up in your face) and reliable (will still fire accurately and not continually jam) then it`s not really as "easy" as you think.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    M1 Garand, that`s a beauty, a friend of mine who owns the property upstate where we go to shoot has one of those! I`ve been looking at getting a M1903 Springfield but they don`t come cheap, at least the ones in good shape aren`t cheap.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I`ll be good just me AR show me your ARs guys!!

    This is me and the chaps back in the day. I`m on the top right wearing pilot gloves to protect my delicate little hands. :D Most of us have M16A2s (which still to this day get called Armalites in the British Army, where you guys over the pond also get the AR15 designation from). The chap in the middle centre has a Minimi:



    God that photo dates me. It was taken nearly twenty years ago. :/
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    Quit reading after the writer wrote this, "Its standard .223 caliber ammunition doesn’t offer much stopping power for anything other than small game."

    Evidently he doesn`t believe round that is lethal to human beings is also lethal to deer, bear, elk, moose, etc... which is total bullsh|t.

    Once again, just because it appears to be a `scary looking`, `military style` weapon doesn`t mean it functions like one. The mass hysteria about about guns needs to end, stop the liberal scaremongering.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    What a piece-of-crap article!
    It blathers on about nothing, says nothing and in conclusion? BAN GUNS!

    Marc Lepine killed 14 women in Canada in 1989 with a LEGALLY OWNED Riger Mini-14
    Unless I`m mistaken: it shoots the exact same round as the AR-15. Is it going to be banned too? Will ALL .223 guns be banned? For what, being popular?

    As always: the "ban guns" side throws emotional gernades and claims they are facts. Pityful, pathertic even.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    @whodat6484

    Ya Springfield are hard to come by ODCMP had some ages ago when I got the M1 but I`m old lol..........
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Marc Lepine killed 14 women in Canada in 1989 with a LEGALLY OWNED Riger Mini-14
    Unless I`m mistaken: it shoots the exact same round as the AR-15. Is it going to be banned too? Will ALL .223 guns be banned? For what...

    I think you answered your own question with that preamble, 5Cats. Even as someone that enjoyed being a squaddie in my youth, I`ve no wish to see guns in civvy street. There`s just no place for them there.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    Unless I`m mistaken: it shoots the exact same round as the AR-15. Is it going to be banned too? Will ALL .223 guns be banned? For what, being popular?

    SHHHH justz da ebil rifelz!!!
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Best weapon for home defense is a pump action shotgun with appropriate shot.

    1. Shot won`t penetrate walls and doors like a handgun or rifle round so you`re less likely to kill your family or neighbors.

    2. You`re more likely to hit your target.

    3. The `click-click` of chambering the first round is a great deterrent...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    Why do you need a semi-automatic to protect your home?
    @Canoas: Because it`s LEGAL?
    Who are YOU to tell other what they ARE or ARE NOT "allowed" to own?

    Are you going to ban "stamp collecting" next? Because all that money could be better spent feeding starving children!

    You claim "it`s not necessary" but that`s YOUR opinion. Why are you shoving YOUR opinion on others against their will? It`s that considered "rude" anymore?
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    If you intend to kill a home invader im sure any gun will do the job just fine, my 2 cents.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    @5cats
    "Who are YOU to tell other what they ARE or ARE NOT "allowed" to own? "
    Ok, let me own a full automatic then. Or a rocket launcher. Or a tank. Or a nuclear bomb. Where will you draw the line and why?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    @MacGuffin: Nice pic of you & your army buds! I have no pics at all from my (very brief!) Armed Forces career... or of my FNC1A1...

    However: Any 303 or 308 caliber round will do MORE damage at longer range than a .223, correct?
    One can just as easily buy a .45 caliber pistol and kill lots of people with that too.

    Big rounds? Small rounds? Which are more dangerous? HECK! In Canada my air rifle is a registered weapon! I`m not kidding.



    .177 killing machine!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    Where will you draw the line and why?
    @Canos: What is currently legal = that.
    Why? Because it`s highly UN-likely that a criminal will have a superiour weapon, OR body armour which can stop a serious hunting rifle.

    HOWEVER: You advocate for Canada-like laws! Here we ARE horrificly out-gunned by criminals. They KNOW we have no weapons besides a knife or bat to defend ourself, they kick our doors down and feel safe doing so! Nice for them!

    Criminals in Canada have all manner of weapons, pistols, rifles, shotguns, everything! Years, decades even! of "tough gun laws" haven`t changed that one iota.

    Manitoba`s most recent murder? Beat his skull in with a baseball bat. Regulate THAT!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    Also: We`re NOT allowed to use "pepper spray" or "tasers" to defend ourselves either. It`s illegal.

    >> Of course criminals still use "bear spray" in crimes (it`s the exact same stuff, and legal for us to use... on bears!).
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    However: Any 303 or 308 caliber round will do MORE damage at longer range than a .223, correct?

    I think a 303 probably will, yeah. But that`s a WWII -era calibre, IIRC - the sort of thing they used to use in Lee Enfield rifles. Most modern armies use 5.56mm, though US rounds and British rounds of that calibre tend only to be used in their respective countries` weapons (because British rounds designed for SA80s have more cordite and tend to gum up the gas plugs of the lighter US weapons).

    5.56mm rounds are designed to maim rather than to kill, and are only accurate up to about 300 metres. Maiming is `preferable` in a military context, because when you kill someone you only take out one enemy soldier (the guy you hit). However, when you maim someone you take them out plus the two guys it takes to carry them off the battlefield. It`s a nasty, messed-up world, isn`t it? :(
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    My preference to hunt small game, according to this author apparently, signifies that I am not a hunter. Maybe I shouldn`t have to be licensed to hunt small game then!!

    @SmagBoy1 - I have a cousin in the military who owns fully automatic firearms. He shoots seagulls with them. AR-15s require illegal parts (illegal for civilians) installed in an illegal process, which renders the firearm illegal. Using your logic, because I can modify my plumbing fixtures to create an illegal zip-gun, I should not be allowed to own a toilet. Well stop denying my body the right to choose... to poop!

    I am wondering why no one has brought up this. For all intents and purposes, this mechanism makes a semi-automatic fully automatic.

    Why has no one brought it up? Because the people who are complaining most are not properly educated concerning f
  56. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    @canoas wow, big jump from an AR to a nuclear weapons. but then i guess in an anti-gun nut`s eyes they are the same thing.

    Did you really manage to miss the very obvious point so badly? Really?

    Canoas was blatantly using a reductio ad absurdum argument to demonstrate the falseness of the argument he was replying to. The one he quoted in the post you are claiming to be replying to, but apparently didn`t read.

    The argument he was replying to was the usual one - that people should have the right to have uncontrolled use of any weapon they want.

    That argument is ludicrous propaganda spew not believed even by the people making it - canoas is right to use reductio ad absurdum against it because it is indeed absurd.

    Everyone supports some restrictions. The right argument is about where to draw the line, not babbling out ludicrous propaganda spewing.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    @5Cats
    and how do criminals over there get illegal guns? Maybe from another country where it`s legal to get them? hmmmm.. let me think of a country that borders canada with legal semi-automatics
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    bigfatdynamo, I`m not trying to ban firearms. I`m not against guns. I do believe that it`s stupid to say that a ban wouldn`t work, though. I see too much proof in Australia, UK, Japan, etc. to deny the obvious. But, as I say, I don`t care. I`m not against gun ownerrship. Hell, the more the merrier. I have nothing against responsible gun ownership.

    What I do mind and have a problem with is being assumed an idiot. Like I said about the cars with speed limiters or locks, I know full well what people do with AR-15s. And yes, I know it`s "illegal". Are you honestly saying (and expecting me to believe) that stops most *anyone* who buys this weapon?
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    Yes, SmagBoy. I do expect that law-abiding citizens will not modify their firearms. I have not done so in any way, shape or form. Neither have any of my family members.

    You`re pronouncing guilt on people based on the types of firearms they want to own.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    @Canoas

    no, we ship guns to mexico...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    "I know it`s "illegal". Are you honestly saying (and expecting me to believe) that stops most *anyone* who buys this weapon?"

    Yes, because people who have legal firearms like to keep their legal firearms. They know if they modify them they`re now illegal and if they`re busted for possession of illegal firearms there`s a good chance they`ll get slapped with a felony and then they won`t be allowed to own any firearms.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    Maiming is `preferable` in a military context...
    Roger that @MacGuffin! Killing the enemy isn`t enough, inflicting grotesque wounds is required!
    Stupid John Travolta movie...
    But a great pick-up line! (it`s in the movie)

    Yes, the .223 is designed to injure rather than kill outright, BUT those bigger, "hunting" rounds are more dangerous, so why do this current crop of "gun banners" focus on the .223? Because they`re IDIOTS of course!
    Reference: @Canos.

    Those police in India a few years ago, during that terrorist attack at the hotel? They were using Lee-Enfields from the 20`s iirc...

    and how do criminals over there get illegal guns?
    @Canos: And the USA - Mexico border? Water-tight! A BUG can`t crawl over it without ICE knowing, right? I mean, Left?
    Oh wait... YOUR PotUS sent illegal weapons TO Mexico ON PURPOSE!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    Semi-automatics ARE perfectly legal in Canada: but buying or owning ANY gun is an expensive pain in the A, and the cops are your worst enemy!

    As I said: the Ruger Mini-14 used in a mass murder is virtually the same as an AR-15 and was perfectly legal. All rules and regulations were followed and he STILL killed 12 and wounded 14...

    So: Why exactly did Canada spend multiple billions of dollars on a "long rifle registration" for? Could those many billions have been BETTER spent?

    Like, in actual crime preventions? Solutions? Eh?
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    syke22 Male 18-29
    1136 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    I`d say it`s more of a range toy. There`s still no reason we shouldn`t be able to purchase them, though. Much more dangerous rifles out there
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33097 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:33 pm
    @SamgBoy: Your arguement is... poor.

    Almost ANY car can speed, but usually people do NOT go 100 miles per hour in them, correct? Law obeying car owners obey the speed limits.
    But criminals evading police do not!
    So ALL CARS should be made to never go over 55 MPH, right?
    That`s the ONLY solution!

    Oh no! Some criminal car owners modify their cars to go over 55MPH illegally, therefor ALL CARS must be impounded!@ It`s the only way to ensure our safety!

    @Angilion: I hope that`s "absurdum" enough to make my point!
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
    425 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:49 pm
    Hey guys, i would just like to add that you can now purchase bumpfire stocks for your ar-15 making it a 100% legal fully automatic rifle.

    The reason the 2nd amendment works is because you don`t know who is carrying a gun.

    Not to be insensitive, but sandy hook happened because the shooter knew there would be nobody to combat him in the elementary school. Arm the staff.
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    temp4comment Male 60-69
    99 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    Don`t tell me it ain`t useful for hunting, I just went hunting with one! They are GREAT for hunting.
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    pacojohnson Male 18-29
    16 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    @SmagBoy, following your own link, the second search result which popped up for me (as google tailors search results based on previous use) was from AR-15.com with a thread talking about how difficult it is to convert a civilian AR to full auto. Not only would you need to mill out the lower receiver, you would also need to replace the bolt carrier group and fire control group with full auto versions. Good luck trying to source those parts without the proper paperwork. Did you not even look over your own search results before posting?
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    pacojohnson Male 18-29
    16 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 7:57 pm
    And also, to reiterate, a bump fire stock does not constitute full auto, it merely simulates a full auto experience. You will not be able to maintain the fire rate of a full auto rifle, and you will have even less control over the weapon than you would with full auto. You can bump fire even without a special stock. Notice how much control he has over the weapon. Every time a bullet was fired, the trigger was cycled, unlike a full auto, where you just hold the trigger down.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
    3286 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 8:20 pm
    More people are killed every year by blunt object attacks than rifle attacks.
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
    208 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    Bullock, if I want to own a machine gun I should be able to.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    Love all the pictures of the guns. I`ve been waiting for the people who don`t own guns to show pictures of their enormous penises. Sorry, I couldn`t resist.
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    AutieDaddy Male 40-49
    6 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    According to the FBI more murders are committed each year with hammers than rifles so let`s ban construction tools too!!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605.

    In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

    This is same trend is true for clubs/hammers (600+), bare hands/feet (800+) and knives (1800+), for 2005-2011.

    Clearly, banning rifles is more idiotic than trying to ban knives, hammers and bare hands.
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    Neyro Male 18-29
    148 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm
    I`m sorry, but anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of firearms and terminal ballistics would agree that an AR-15 trumps even the venerable shotgun every time in home defense scenarios.

    Less risk of over-penetration (00 buck will tear clean through drywall and keep going, OTM 5.56 will all but disintegrate)
    Easier to point/aim/manipulate

    The only downside is that it is louder in enclosed spaces, which hardly matters in a life/death situation.

    Not useful for hunting? 70gr OTM match has taken MANY a whitetail deer. Irrelevant however, since the legality of owning an AR-15 has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.

    I`m sorry, but if you don`t know what you are talking about, keep your mouth shut. Do some research.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    January 3, 2013 at 11:30 pm
    The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to guarantee our right to keep and bear sporting goods.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:26 am
    Love the people parroting the breitbart article. Tards.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:36 am
    If its good for hunting, and home defence, its pretty likely to be good for mass murder and anything else the user wants it for?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:43 am
    Love the people parroting the breitbart article

    Unless you wish to dispute the numbers your retort amounts to nothing more than ad hominem.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:47 am
    I dont need guns for home defence, I just have 2 signs on my porch door, `beware of the spiders`
    and `beware of the cobra`s`
    No fecker knocks my door - ever!!!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 1:05 am
    "Unless you wish to dispute the numbers your retort amounts to nothing more than ad hominem."

    A grade school student could dispute the numbers. Take 2011 for instance. There were 496 people killed by Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.). Yes that is etc as in all blunt objects combined not just hammers and clubs like the article misleads people into believing. Yet they only cherry picks riffles? What about the total 8,583 deaths by firearms? Apparently the lies did not die with Breitbart nor did the gullibility of his fans.

    Link
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 1:14 am
    "According to the FBI more murders are committed each year with hammers than rifles so let`s ban construction tools too!!!"

    Love how you embellished on the already embellished lie and dropped clubs and just stuck with hammers. You are a good little sheep. Now go fourth onto Facebook and spread the lie further.
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    chance13 Male 40-49
    219 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 4:46 am
    Well, let`s look at embellishment, shall we? Everyone else is comparing blunt items with rifles, you drag in total firearms...little outside the realm of the argument there.

    I love it when someone is obviously losing the argument so they change the scope to fit their argument.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 7:09 am
    I don`t think markust is losing any argument. I think he managed very well to cut through the fuzzy maths that some were using to try and demonstrate a falsehood that blunt objects are a bigger threat than firearms.

    People who want to carry guns will always find a reason to do it. People who want to smoke, drink, do drugs or get fat find a way to convince themselves those behaviours are OK too. It`s called rationalising.

    I`ll never to my dying day understand the unhealthy addiction that some Americans have to guns. But, it`s your country, and if you want to have a society where everyone can legally carry objects that are designed to kill your fellow citizens (and tolerate the knowledge that each of those fellow citizens may do the same, and could be better/faster/stronger than you if push comes to shove), then so be it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 7:23 am
    @MacGuffin

    I don`t think markust is losing any argument.
    In the context of the recent gun debates in America, he is losing. I have not seen any proposed bans on all firearms. Instead, suggested bans are on a specific subset of rifles. By looking at statistics pertinent to rifles only, we see that they are not a major contributor. Thus, the bans presented are nonsensical.

    I`ll never to my dying day understand the unhealthy addiction that some Americans have to guns.
    Because you are biased, as is evidenced by the phrase "unhealthy addiction." These words have a negative connotation and assume that the current relationship between Americans and firearms is unhealthy and addictive. Your mind is the limiting agent in this case.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 7:35 am
    Seriously? If you need a gun that holds 30 rounds per clip & can fire more rounds per minute than it holds to go hunting, you`re obviously doing it wrong. Keep in mind, the deer aren`t armed...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 7:37 am
    @Magickrat

    Who said it was soley for hunting?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 9:07 am
    "Well, let`s look at embellishment, shall we? Everyone else is comparing blunt items with rifles, you drag in total firearms...little outside the realm of the argument there."

    Way to double down on the lie. I was showing that the article was manipulating its followers into thinking just clubs and hammers cause more deaths than riffles. When in reality it is all blunt objects. Crakrjak`s comment does not say blunt objects he says hammers and clubs. Mission accomplished. AutieDaddy took the bait even further and says just hammers. What I was pointing out is Breitbarts manipulation of the category of blunt objects. The way they are manipulating it is only fair to use all firearms in comparison. But what I was really doing is pointing out that it is a fool who believes anything that site says. And a bigger fool who repeats the spin.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6904 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 10:59 am
    CrakrJak

    "Clearly, banning rifles is more idiotic than trying to ban knives, hammers and bare hands."

    My response will be the exact same as it has been, and here lies the impasse where it boils down to a difference of opinion.

    1. Knives, hammers, and bare hands serve non-lethal purposes. They aren`t designed and manufactured specifically to kill.

    2. Knives, hammers, and bare hands are not used in indiscriminate mass murders, which are the only kinds of murder that pose a threat to me and my family. They are used when one person seeks out and specifically kills another person. Whether they use a knife or a gun, a person will always be able to kill another person. We aren`t engaging in this debate because a guy killed his wife with a baseball bat or someone stabbed their business partner. We are having this discussion because crazy people are walking into malls, theaters, and schools with rifles and killing random people en mass.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 11:23 am
    HG: There are many knives and clubs (blunt objects) made `specifically to kill`. The lethal common denominator here is NOT the rifle, it`s the lunatic.

    No rifle, club or knife can kill on it`s own. No one said we should ban jet airplanes after 9/11, and although banned from airports, no one has talked of banning box cutters either.

    We focused on finding and arresting the terrorists then. So let`s focus on identifying and getting help for those that are mentally ill now.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 11:33 am

    In the context of the recent gun debates in America, he is losing.

    I`m sorry, but you appear to have mistaken my having corrected your misconception for my giving a shyt what you think about gun control. I`ve long ago given up caring about the way a significant number of Americans continually rationalise their belief in the apparent right to possess tools intended to make it easier for them to kill one another. Go right ahead: it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 11:36 am
    @MacGuffin

    I`m sorry, but you appear to have mistaken my having corrected your misconception for my giving a shyt what you think about gun control.
    Of course, this statement assumes that I`ve misconceived something. In fact, I would argue that you have misconceived the data in order to comply with your ideology.

    possess tools intended to make it easier for them to kill one another
    I can provide you with a very simple logical proof showing that this statement is completely incorrect. Would you like me to do that for you? I`m here to help.

    Go right ahead: it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
    Apparently, it does make a difference to you; afterall, you are here arguing about it, aren`t you?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 11:56 am
    "So let`s focus on identifying and getting help for those that are mentally ill."

    See Crakrjak, you and I can agree on some things.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6904 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    CrakrJak

    "So let`s focus on identifying and getting help for those that are mentally ill now."

    Single payer government healthcare so that every American can get teh physical and mental health attention they need?

    Mandatory mental health screenings at 18?

    How? I`m listening.

    Some people think making access to guns more difficult is the answer and they have plans on how to do it. If you think those things aren`t the issue and we need to focus on helping those with mental health issues put forth some solutions. I haven`t heard any.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
    1832 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Useful does not equal necessary.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33097 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    Single payer government healthcare so that every American can get teh physical and mental health attention they need?
    @HG: Just like Canada , right?
    Only ObamaCare is nothing like that, it`s just a law forcing people to buy insurance, against their will.
    And Canada`s healthcare is fine! IF you have insurance (just like the USA!) or IF you have lots of money (and can GO to the USA).

    I`ve waited 9 months for therapy, it starts next week. About average, actually.

    I do admit: If you have a life-threatening crisis in Canada you get great care, instantly, and it doesn`t bankrupt you. Other than that, however, it sux.
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    USAF27 Male 40-49
    96 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    The reason we have the 2nd Amendment is because of a European country. The Bill of Rights was written in response to British rule and ratified to clarify the intent of the 10 amendments. The USA was born by ridding our prior government of oppressors...the British. The Brits trampled our rights as a free people. Our founding fathers that experienced this put in place peaceful and also non-peaceful means of ridding ourselves of a possible future oppressive government. They wanted the people armed.

    The Bill of Rights and amendments was/is for the common people, not the National Guard. A militia is by classic definition is "unpaid citizen soldiers". The 1775 Articles of War prior to the UCMJ governed the paid professional military rights/responsibilities.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    January 4, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    Love the people parroting the breitbart article. Tards.
    So, if a liberal quotes from a liberal source, it`s called referencing, but if a conservative quotes from a conservative source, it`s called parroting, right?

    markust, you`re nothing but a typical liberal hypocrite.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3920 posts
    January 5, 2013 at 7:21 am
    "So, if a liberal quotes from a liberal source, it`s called referencing, but if a conservative quotes from a conservative source, it`s called parroting, right?"

    No, I am not being a typical liberal hypocrite. I don`t go to sites like this. If a Liberal is into opinion media and quotes from a dishonest partisan liberal equivalent of breitbart.com they are being just as retarded.

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