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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    Link: Mass School Shooting Prevented In Tennessee - By a staff member with a gun. Will THIS story get nation-wide coverage? Only the gunman died so no, it`s `not important`
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    good for them, still no one of them should have guns in the first place and the liberal gun policies in the usa encourage people from a very young age that guns are necessary. I wouldn`t want to live in a world where I have to send my kids from an armed bus into an armed school and have guns everywhere. Why do americans want to live like they are in a prison or a war zone? They really think that more guns make things better? Sure in this case it might have prevented worse, but overall, who is to say that armed guards in every street won`t abuse the "power" of their gun and force people to do whatever they think is right, because they have a gun, who could speak up against them?
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    JuggaloReign Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    "Sure in this case it might have prevented worse, but overall, who is to say that armed guards in every street won`t abuse the "power" of their gun and force people to do whatever they think is right, because they have a gun, who could speak up against them?"

    The citizens. That is ENTIRELY why we have the second amendment and the reason it doesn`t happen.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    in addition to this, if he really was there to kill as many people as possible, he would have had more ammo, and also shot the guard in the minute long standoff before the officers arrived and just continued into the school. he clearly wanted something specific. and not kill (in his eyes) innocent guards or students. Probably revenge for something that his brother did to him or whatever.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    "The citizens. That is ENTIRELY why we have the second amendment and the reason it doesn`t happen."

    so you think that armed citizens standing up against armed guards who tell them what to do is a good idea, right?
    "Hey man, you can`t park here, it`s a firefighter zone" -- "Oh really? Tell that to my little friend here" -- "I got one too, on the ground!" -- "You get on the ground, don`t threaten me or I threaten you"...

    bullpoopers
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    "If Jesus had a gun he would be alive today"
    -H.Simpson
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    And yet today in California, a student opened fire at a school that normally has an armed guard. The guard was snowed into his house, and instead a teacher talked the student into surrendering.

    Story
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    "Mass School Shooting Prevented In Tennessee by a staff member with a gun."

    No no no no no no. The person that prevented this shooting was a School Resource Officer which is a police officer assigned to the school. This was not a staff member. Why do conservatives (who are caught up in opinion media) lie to get their point across? If the truth is not good enough maybe you are on the wrong side of the subject.

    Columbine had a School Resource Officer assigned to the school the day of the shooting. I don`t think anyone has a problem with this. I don`t know of any school in my state that does not have one assigned. What is stupid is to do exactly what you are saying - arm staff members. That is beyond idiotic. We do not live in the wild west.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    I`m willing to concede that in this case the guard being armed probably prevented something worse. I think armed guards in a school might not be a bad idea in American schools, I do however believe that arming the teachers and staff is still a ridiculous idea. I have seen that suggested quite a few times on this site now.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    ....this is a 3 year old news story....
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    I think it`s funny that the most outspoken gun control supporters are the ones with the least knowledge of firearms in general. Their stance comes purely from emotions and reactions to news headlines. Have you ever noticed that EVERYTHING you hear on the news is, for the most part, depressing/shocking/horrible/etc? They intentionally focus on the worst possible sh*t they can report on to keep you paranoid, thinking that every bump in the night you hear is a bad guy with a gun coming to kill you & your family. This is basically identical to the "control through fear" strategy used by... wait for it... wait for it... religion!!!
  12. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    @WhoDat:

    "I personally don`t think there`s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America."

    - Ret. General Stanley McChrystal
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    You have nailed cable news @whodat6484. "Control through fear" is how they keep a hold of both sides. Once a person is in a constant state of fear and agitation they will believe pretty much anything a trusted source says. And if that doesn`t work, the pundits just repeat the talking point until it becomes the viewers own thought. At that point the cable news viewer becomes an angry parrot who goes forth and bothers their friends and family with ridiculous partisan BS that has no basis in real life. Every time I go on Facebook I have to hide at least one stupid partisan post. I hate it.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    all that guy was doing was using his RIGHT to keep and bear arms. is this not the same argument people have been using?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm
    btw how does anyone know it would be a MASS SHOOTING? did he get to shot anyone? maby he was their for just one person, maby the guy who shot him. just maby it was a revenge standoff and he lost. cant really ask questions when the guy shot first. just saying
  16. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    Sorry!
    The article & report are FILLED with mistakes!
    AND I didn`t notice that the story is from 2010 and was "updated" a week ago.

    Here Is Raw Video

    Which shows what actually went on. The "action" starts about 3 minutes in. Safe to watch: no one gets shot or hurt, the 9/11 call is played as well.

    As you can see: the "staff member" was in fact a security guard with a fancy, "politically correct" title of School Resource Officer.
    The police took over 8 minutes to arrive & stop the man.
    This was made longer by the security doors, which kept police OUT for several minutes. The 9/11 call explains it.

    Without a doubt, if that ARMED guard had not been there? It would have been much worse.
    If an armed guard was present at Newton? PERHAPS that tragic event could have bee
  17. Profile photo of mikelae18
    mikelae18 Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    It wasn`t a staff member. It was a School Resource Officer. It`s basically a cop that patrols the school. Many Schools have SRO`s and no one has a problem with it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    ...could have been avoided.
    But NO! Newton`s school was a proudly "gun free zone".

    Obama`s children go to a school with armed security guards. "Ordinary" Americans? Not allowed to - if he gets his way!

    Video is submitted seperately too. I`ve linked it twice already though.
    *sigh*
    Now for the comments...
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm
    he could have just been bringing in his new equipment for show and tell. did he leave a video of himself stating just what his intentions were? or do we just take their word for it. just my opinion but the only shooter was the guy who got the shot off first and why should we listen to him he is a murderer.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:12 pm
    @Corydoras: As usual, you`ve missed the entire point of this event: NO innocent people were harmed BECAUSE a citizen (in this case a security guard) HAD a gun!
    If ONLY the criminal had a gun? Who can say what would happen? What happened at Newton? ONLY the criminal had a gun, get it?

    About the SRO: Sorry! As a Canadian I have never come across that term before! One news report even called her a "teacher" others a "staff member". NONE said "security guard" - that I came across. Most said SRO.

    @markust: I think you have it backwards: the MSM is drumming stories that make Guns = Bad, NOT the other way around.
    Do they do it just for ratings? Perhpas. Do they mostly want "guns banned"? Highly likely!
    If the MSM wants people to support "gun rights" they`re doing a very strange job of it!
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    Ob1969 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    Good work by the security guard. We still don`t need assault weapons.
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    Bremir Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    JuggaloReign - And you shouldn`t even have that. Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison stating that after 19 years the constitution, and laws, will expire. And any continuation of the constitution and laws will be an act of force, not a right.

    So bring that one out as much as you want. It turns out, it`s not your ******* right.

    If this past year has taught us anything thought, you ******* Americans are too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong, and you`d rather give morons, like yourself and 5Cats, and that other tossers, more guns that will ultimately be wrongly used.

    You really are a country of pshycopathic retards.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    @FoolsPrussia

    One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
    - Vladimir Lenin

    Ordinary citizens don`t need guns, as their having guns doesn`t serve the State.
    - Heinrich Himmler

    History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
    - Adolf Hitler

    Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.
    - Unknown

    (See, I can look up quotes to copy & paste too)
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    How do you know it was a MASS shooting if it was prevented? That`s like saying "I prevented an infestation by killing a spider."
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    @OB1969: The "Average American" currently CANNOT own "assault weapons" OK? It takes special permits, in-depth records check, a full year wait (iirc) AND MORE to even hope to buy one!
    Legally, that is.

    @Bremir: What "Jefferson wanted" and what the actual law is? Those are two seperate things, OK? Duh!

    If gun-banners manage to repeal the 2nd amendment (legally) then that`s that! It`s a done deal, OK?

    Then lawful citizens will be disarmed and criminals will still BE armed. Nice! Utopia awaits!
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm
    He could have just been going there to teach kids about gun safety. Way to blame the victim!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:05 pm
    @whodat: I was refuting your assertion that most people who support gun control know nothing about guns. How`s this then? 74% of NRA members and 87% of non-NRA gun owners believe there should be universal background checks, yet that policy is opposed by the NRA itself. That is gun control, is it not?
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    5Cats:<quote>Obama`s children go to a school with armed security guards. "Ordinary" Americans? Not allowed to - if he gets his way!</quote>

    Well he did sign a bill allowing CCW in national parks. But I`m sure HE`S COMING RIGHT FOR US!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    @5Cats, "As you can see: the "staff member" was in fact a security guard with a fancy, "politically correct" title of School Resource Officer."

    She was not a "security guard" she was a police officer - a School Resource Officer like the video you linked to says. Google "School Resource Officer" you will see link after link of officers assigned to schools. As I said before I don`t think anyone has any problem with police officers being assigned to schools. They have been doing this for years.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:26 pm
    Oops sorry, 5Cats. I see that you corrected yourself on the SRO.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    "I think you have it backwards: the MSM is drumming stories that make Guns = Bad, NOT the other way around."

    Fox News is drumming stories that make Guns = Good. What`s your point? Both sides are making their viewers less informed.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    @markust: You are correct, I should have "lookeditup". My bad!
    I was confused by references to her as a teacher & staff member, but she was a Police Officer? Full out? Ok then.
    We have those up here! Usually in "bad schools" in high-crime areas.
    It`s still a very "PC" title, eh? School Cop is too confusing?

    However: Newton? Still "gun free" and still NO SRO.

    That does explain why one article said "the three officers then shot the suspect" when only 2 entered the building... I was puzzled!

    Columbine: The SRO was absent that day (snowed in?) and the shooters did NOT have "high capacity magazines" but managed to fire almost 100 rounds each...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    @FoolsPrussia - In debates like this when I say "gun-control supporters" I`m referring to the most vocal advocates being the ones screaming to ban all firearms from private ownership. You should know that by now since that seems to be the only thing ever discussed on this f*cking website. There`s nothing wrong with background checks, I even think there should be psych evals too. However, I don`t think they should be banning the rifles/guns they don`t like because they`re big & scary, that`s bullsh*t.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:55 pm
    "It`s still a very "PC" title, eh? School Cop is too confusing?"

    Total PC run amuck.

    "Columbine: The SRO was absent that day (snowed in?) and the shooters did NOT have "high capacity magazines" but managed to fire almost 100 rounds each..."

    The officer was not absent that day he just was outside watching the kids in the smoke hole instead of eating lunch in the cafeteria with the kids (where he normally was that time of day). Still he got in a gun fight with Harris.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    Whodat6484, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite people on here.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    According to the related article, the SRO was an armed deputy, a police officer.......she should have shot the suspect as soon as she saw the gun in his hand, instead of letting him push her all over the school, all the while pointing his gun at her and lord knows who else......she needs training or a new profession.......horrible handling of the situation.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    The gun at the center of controversy is the Hand gun,and no one is talking about banning them.Chill,people.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm
    Smoking caused Columbine? Naw...
    The Two placed a huge propane bomb by the cafiteria`s emergency exit, but it didn`t go of. With that working, more would have died from the explosion & fire as well.

    Also: didn`t they suicide shortly after encountering the SRO? There were still 100`s of students and they had bombs and ammo... and 2 more hours until Police finished clearing the building.

    Again it seems that a "good guy" with a gun made things better, not worse.
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    NOT_A_BEAR Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    THIS story shouldn`t get nation-wide coverage because it is the most poorly written news article I have ever read. Did they hire an 8 year old to put this together? I don`t even care about the shooting, I`m too distracted by the terrible writing...
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 10, 2013 at 10:45 pm
    This story does not advance the anti-gun, anti-constitutional agenda of the MSM, so no, it won`t be covered by them.

    @NAB,if the MSM gave a loose dry f*** about the event, they could rewrite the damned story.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    My proposals:

    -For any gun owner, only they have full access to said weapon. Either it is kept in a certified safe which only the gun owner has access to, at a gun range, or on their person at all times.
    -Proof of ownership comes in the form of a deed.
    -Repeal the Hardy amendment banning fully automatic weapons.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    January 10, 2013 at 11:05 pm
    1/ the school might be gun free but the country isn`t.
    2/ who says anyone would be shot, let alone MASS shootings?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    January 10, 2013 at 11:55 pm
    Its hit the BBC news so I guess its worldwide
    Im not getting into the `gun` argument its futile
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    Vimto Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:27 am
    All news articles should be this well researched and written. Nicely factual and completely unbiassed. Refreshing.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:32 am
    1.) This story appears to be from 2010.
    2.) It wasn`t school staff that pulled a gun on the gunman, it was a police officer that had been assigned to the school as a resource officer.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:42 am
    To claim that a mass shooting was prevented is pure speculation. That`s like me saying that I prevented a 30 car pile-up on the highway last night because I decided not to drive drunk. Hell, I should get a fuqing medal every damn day!!!
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    Finker Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 6:29 am
    @RobSwindol, no think that medal would go to the person that stopped you driving drunk - that would be a better analogy.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 6:42 am
    @5cats: The SRO didn`t even have his glasses on at Columbine, fired about 6 shots at *one* of the attackers, who then went back inside where they shot a few more students, threw a few more molotov roostertails and then killed themselves when they got bored with it and were talking about "knifing people instead." What the SRO DID do was help one injured student get away from Harris. So yes, the SRO did help, but also did nothing to prevent that massacre.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 6:45 am

    Maybe we need more highschool gun clubs.


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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:34 am
    Mass genocide prevented - decided not to have a wank
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:52 am
    @patchgrabber

    SO in one case it saved at least one life and probably bought other some time. So it dosen`t work and we shouldn`t use it???

    To claim that a mass shooting was prevented is pure speculation.

    LOL ya he was there to hand out candy.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:52 am
    " In debates like this when I say "gun-control supporters" I`m referring to the most vocal advocates being the ones screaming to ban all firearms from private ownership. You should know that by now since that seems to be the only thing ever discussed on this f*cking website."

    I think we both know that the people on this website don`t represent the vast majority of people in the real world, though. I rarely hear calls to ban all guns here in the U.S..
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:54 am

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:58 am
    @fools

    Tell that New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. He`s the start of the lemming parade.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:05 am
    That is from 2010? Why act like it happened yesterday?

    And if you people can`t see the other side of the argument, it is because you are blinding yourself to logic and reason.

    Comparing apples to oranges never makes sense except in a strictly economic sense.

    Talk about cars dwi`s and all the other stupid crap all you want, it simply serves to erode your argument`s foundation due to it`s severe lack of relevance.


    But keep going, it amuses me.
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    Howler81 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:07 am
    Will the story from 2010 get nation-wide coverage in 2013? I`m going to go with "no." Probably did at the time, though.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:07 am
    Nice catch on this article there wiscesq

    I thought this comment bears repeating:

    1.) This story appears to be from 2010.
    2.) It wasn`t school staff that pulled a gun on the gunman, it was a police officer that had been assigned to the school as a resource officer.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:46 am
    McGovern1981

    "So you blame guns for shootings, but not cars for DWIs or knives for stabbings"

    Who blames guns? I have never heard that once.

    We want to keep guns away from people that shouldn`t own them. I believe we try to keep drunk drivers out of cars don`t we? Suspended licenses, impounded cars, ignition interlock brethelyzers.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
    This was a cop assigned to a school, not a teacher packing heat like you morons said we should have after sandy hook.

    "A School Resource Officer (SRO) is a law enforcement officer who is assigned to either an elementary, middle, or high school."

    I have not heard a single person say we should stop schools from having a police officer on site.

    However, once again, republicans won`t tax enough to buy books or pay teachers, are they going to raise taxes to hire full time police officers?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
    @Holy

    We don`t go trying to ban specific models of cars from ownership from sober drivers though now do we?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:49 am
    @Holy
    Check your paycheck the messiah raised taxes on everyone.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:50 am
    So- if I recall there WAS a mass shooting on an army base? With lots of trained people- some with guns? Not sure when but NOT HERE!!!!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:58 am
    Fort Bragg soldiers on base are usually not armed when not in training or gaurd duty. So really the only armed person was the gunman.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
    McGovern1981

    "We don`t go trying to ban specific models of cars from ownership from sober drivers though now do we?"

    Yes. Yes we do.

    There are lots of cars that aren`t street legal. Cars have regulators that keep them from going too fast. Cars have seatbelts and air bags mandatory. They have collapsible bodies. Tons of them have back up sensors and rear video.

    Stop bringing up cars. Cars go through innovations and testing to be as safe as possible. Guns do the EXACT opposite. They go through innovations and testing to be as dangerous as possible.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 9:53 am
    Is it legal to drive a tank? Oh- Fort Bragg was it? Okay- not usually armed- but I assume you would think soldiers were well trained in defence- and I bet they had arms but perhaps just not attached to them? Possibly the gunman caught them by surprise? Possibly a gunman can kill people from - ooh I dunno- about 50 foot away??? How long do you think it takes for ANY security to stop being quite so wary- a week or so I guess- tops.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:06 am
    They go through innovations and testing to be as dangerous as possible.

    If that were true they`d blow up in your face whenever you pull the trigger.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:07 am
    Is it legal to drive a tank?

    On a street no but you can own one.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Also the Fort Bragg shooter used a pistol I belive so how`s an "assualt weapon" ban going to help?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:14 am
    McGovern1981

    "If that were true they`d blow up in your face whenever you pull the trigger."

    Sometimes you say such stupid things that I feel I shouldn`t waste time talking to you.

    When you shoot someone the gun has two parties involved, the shooter and the shootee. Guns go through innovations to be as dangerous to the shootee as possible. That is their purpose. Whether it is bump stocks, or sniper scopes, or armor piercing bullets or 100 round barrel magazines. A gun`s sole function is to be as dangerous as possible.

    A car on the other hand is designed so that if you do hit someone else with it the damage is as minimal as possible. There are even some cars innovations like airbags on the hood in case you hit a pedestrian.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:22 am
    okay- so if tank were legal they would certainly ensure the driver was safe. Shame about anything around him- roads. people etc. So I wonder why you don`t get to drive a tank...
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:24 am
    Ban all guns in the US- a month long amnesty then anyone AT ALL with a gun, ammunition, or any accoutrements gets ten years... sorted. Then you have to use knives.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:10 am
    A gun`s sole function is to be as dangerous as possible.

    Someone really dropped the ball designing the .22 LR then.

    Ban all guns in the US- a month long amnesty then anyone AT ALL with a gun, ammunition, or any accoutrements gets ten years... sorted. Then you have to use knives.

    Think they tried that around 1776 didn`t work out so well.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:41 am
    McGovern1981

    I have a hypothetical moral question for you.

    If someone designed a non lethal bullet that would instantly incapacitate anyone hit with it whether with some sort of shock or biological or chemical agent, would you support outlawing all other bullets?
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    madduck, they have pretty much done that in the UK. The result is that violent crime is higher than in the US and rising. In the US, where there are more and more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens every day, the violent crime rate has been dropping steadily for 20 years and is now at an all-time low.

    Sorry, didn`t mean to get all these pesky facts and statistics in the way of your emotional, clueless rant.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    @HolyGod

    No, They do have those kind of though. One you couldn`t hunt with them which some people do actually depend on and two that would not be what the second amendment was about. It`s a government power check a way of helping keep the government in line with the people.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Avatar John- I live in the UK. no guns= much safer. Those violent crimes include spitting, shouting ( assault) and yes- punching. What would you prefer- a 1 in 10 chance of a smack in the face ( painful but not fatal) 0r a 1 in 100 chance of being shot ( certainly painful- very likely fatal)
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    Problem is, those of us who actually like evidence etc tend to have manners- show our evidence and avoid ranting- and it gets boring listening to knuckle draggers screaming about their God given right to do what the hell they like.... so guess what. Sweetie...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    McGovern1981

    "One you couldn`t hunt with them"

    Valid point. Then bullets for hunting rifles could still be made, but would only function in the kind of rifle that would not be affective for mass shootings.

    "helping keep the government in line with the people"

    1. If you can take down a soldier and capture them how is that not effective?

    2. You are out of your mind if you think the people are going to be able to fight the military. That is a total fantasy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    You are out of your mind if you think the people are going to be able to fight the military. That is a total fantasy.

    I certainly hope it`d never come down to that but you do realize people said the same thing when the Revolutionary War was fought?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    Is it legal to drive a tank?
    @madduck: YES! Actually, it`s perfectly legal! As long as it`s cannon and machineguns & stuff aren`t real, and it meets safety codes (lights, turn signals & etc).
    And road-weight restrictions...
    And you have a "tank driver" liscence...

    There`s a fellow who drives his to work in London (England) for fun! I used to have the video linky...


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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Yeah 5cats- you can- but good luck with that. the tracks destroy roads, and they don`t fit down many roads either. Point I was trying to make was that no one actually needs a sub machine gun or a rocket launcher. There is a case for a rifle if you hunt, shotgun ditto. Handguns are only to use on people...It is illegal to shoot people. No one needs lots of guns, or lots of ammo. If you cannot kill with one bullet you should not shoot game. If you applied the same thinking to cars most gun nuts would drive a tank....
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Mcgovern1981

    "you do realize people said the same thing when the Revolutionary War was fought?"

    That was people with cannons and muskets fighting people with cannons and muskets.

    This would be people with hand guns, shotguns, and semi auto rifles fighting highly trained people with automatic rifles, body armor, grenade launchers, missiles, tanks, jets, bombers, etc, etc.

    Clearly that is VERY different would you not agree?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    Handguns are only to use on people

    My pistol must be broken it`s kille 0 people.

    This would be people with hand guns, shotguns, and semi auto rifles fighting highly trained people with automatic rifles, body armor, grenade launchers, missiles, tanks, jets, bombers, etc, etc.

    Oh like Vietnam.....
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    So what do you do with a handgun? Rabbits? Pigeon??
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    madduck

    "So what do you do with a handgun? Rabbits? Pigeon??"

    Not to jump to the other side of the debate, but my guess is he is going to say "targets".

    I have fired my gun thousands of times. It has never been fired at a living entity.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    madduck

    "So what do you do with a handgun? Rabbits? Pigeon??"

    Not to jump to the other side of the debate, but my guess is he is going to say "targets".

    I have fired my gun thousands of times. It has never been fired at a living entity.

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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    REALLY?? Okaaay, well, I suppose it is horses for courses. Hunting for fun is pretty vile- but as long as you eat what you kill and no more than you need I can see the point, and it does get you out. Never realised people did much target shooting- but I suppose clays are popular- so maybe that is the same? just does not seem to have a point or purpose?
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    wow, armed guards at schools? gotta do what you gotta do ... merica drat yea
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    Lillim Female 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    Why is this story 2 years old yet just updated recently? What`s the real story here?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    @madduck: It`s true, most murders are done with pistols (in the USA).
    However: The Democrats want to "ban assault rifles" (which are already banned).
    Question: Why don`t the Democrats demand that <pistols> be banned in the USA?

    Some people like to jog, some like to drive "monster trucks"... others? Shoot at itty-bitty cirles with an AR-15.
    It takes all kinds to make the world go around!

    You can put rubber-padded tracks on a tank for driving on paved roads... of course they`d get stuck in the mud really fast if you went off the road!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    Ft. Bragg Shooting:
    #1 Most of the time? Soldiers on a training base don`t run around with loaded weapons, eh?
    #2 The killer knew the base very well! He knew where ALL the armed people were and avoided those areas.

    So just like many others: he chose a spot where HE KNEW there were NO GUNS in order to carry out his mass murdering.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    <quote>McGovern1981: Tell that New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. He`s the start of the lemming parade.</quote>

    I don`t think you understand lemming behavior like you think you do. But otherwise, carry on.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 12:34 am
    Ok, 5cats -thing is- there seems to be a strong correlation between gun availability and death by gun. Guns do make killing easier by far, you can kill more people from further away. As a country the US has lots of these mass shootings- kids, soldiers etc.. Surely you need to look at this and asses ALL the evidence to see how this could be avoided. The US country is awash with guns, kids have them, nutters have them- and there is evidence that banning them helps ( New York?) . However- every time there is a shooting all we hear is how MORE guns is the answer. I keep my nose out until I get American friends telling me my country is dangerous because we don`t have guns, despite the fact we have very few gun related crimes. Now there is talk about turning schools into armed areas- SURELY you can see how drated up that is?????
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 10:26 am
    @madduck: "Seems to be" is the key! Americans are not all identical, eh? There`s a big difference between urban/rural, and guns is one of those.
    Who owns more guns per capita? Rural
    Who gets shot more? Urban!
    % ownership of guns has nothing to do with % of being killed by one. Look at Chicago!

    A Black, city dweller in a city WITH strict gun laws is 4X more likely to be killed with a gun than a white counrty dweller with LAX gun laws.

    #1 In the USA: More gun laws has always lead to MORE gun crimes, every single time!

    In Virginia the number of guns (especially in white parts of cities) has almost doubled in the past 10 years! The result? A DROP in overall gun crimes.
    #2 In the USA: More LEGALLY OWNED guns has NEVER lead to more crime.

    AS for mass shootings? Norway, UK, Germany and France have them too.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 10:27 am
    (had to split the post, stupid word counter!)

    And NOTHING compares to Rwanda...
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2013 at 11:57 am
    1 star for Mr Scats.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    There were definitely firearms used in the Rwandan genocide. I imagine it might make murdering people with a machete a bit easier knowing that you had guys with AK47`s watching your back.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:17 am
    @SpermNinja: Yes, guns were used, and plenty of them! But I`ve read that a lot, perhaps even the majority, of people were killed by machette.

    The mass-killing got worst when average people started hacking their neighbors to death: the armed groups on both sides were bad, but the sheer number of people running amuk was unimaginable.
    Apparently, everyone in Rwanda owns a machette...

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