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63 Responses to Gun Rights Blowout

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    January 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    Link: Gun Rights Blowout - Bill O`Reilly vs Rep. Jason Chaffetz. Pick a side.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    January 22, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    america was on tv here. something about a college shooting. weird.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    January 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    What the drat just happened.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    Oh Jesus. Did you just make me agree with Bill O`Reilly?

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    malikymoo

    "something about a college shooting. weird."

    Yes two people opened fire on each other and the only ones who got injured were 3 bystanders. Someone please tell me again why its a good idea for everyone to have guns?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Wow, Bill makes sense for once.
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    Cherrybawls Male 18-29
    167 posts
    January 22, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    Is this real? O`Reilly making sense? What is happening to this world??
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    I like how Bill O`Reilly thinks that if he talks louder than his guest it means he wins the argument, hahaha! What an a$$hole!

    @malikymoo - Yeah, there was a shooting on a community college campus in Houston, TX. That`s probably all you`ve heard so far, right? They seem to be overlooking the fact that shortly after the incident happened (around 12:30pm CST) the FBI told Houston area tv stations they`re pretty sure it was a gang-related shooting. Two gang bangers got in an argument and started blasting each other hitting a few bystanders but there were no serious injuries. Gang violence is a BIG problem in Houston, I`ve been there and know a few people who live there.
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    RytWing Male 30-39
    316 posts
    January 22, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Bill is off base. Jason Chaffitz is my congressman and he is spot on. Bandwagon Bill is just going after ratings.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    not anybody with a hand gun, not anybody with a rilfe, this is an ak
    hahahaha

    plus the shooter used an ar-15 with not so `heavy duty` rounds

    plus you can buy a full auto with out finger prints. just use a trust, still takes a tax stamp tho.

    OMG two people not knowing what they`re taking about on the news...this is new.
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    bex753 Male 40-49
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    For once I agree with Bill the Shill (he must have not got the memo)
    Also unless you are going to do away will all gas reloaded weapons and take in all the rifles out there an assault weapon ban is pointless.

    On limiting clip size,with 3d printing is that possible?
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    January 22, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    Here is the thing about Bill O`Reilly... I agree with the point he is trying to drive home; keep records on gun owners and purchases. But even here he makes the most boorish attempts at argument. He has the conversational skill of a child. Making up qualifying terms on the spot as if they have any meaning to anyone other than an instant buzzword where people can project their own meaning. "Heavy" ammunition? That doesn`t mean anything to anyone!
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    Bill o`Reilly making a sane and valid argument ?.. What`s next?.. Cats chasing dogs ??
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    RytWing Male 30-39
    316 posts
    January 22, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    @holygod

    It`s not a good idea for everyone to have a gun. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns. Law abiding citizens, by definition, obey laws. If you outlaw guns then the only people with guns will be criminals because they don`t, by definition, obey laws. Criminals tend to run rough shot over others when left unchecked. The citizens right to own guns is his safe guard against those that would other wise do him harm.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    So, Bill is saying that a purchase of 60,000 rounds should be reported? OK, where is the line drawn? 1,000 rounds? I then make 60 seperate purchases... Useless idea, Bill, but thanks for playing!

    I know! File a report on every single round of ammunition sold! Good luck...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Fun watching 2 idiots argue with each other.
    Bill O`Tool
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    I submitted a Jon Stewart explanation of the gun laws last week, but it hasn`t been posted yet. He does a really good job of explaining why the gun laws need to be fixed. Watch it here and here.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    An "AK-47" is NOT "heavy armament" ffs! It`s just a gun! There`s TONS of more powerful guns out there.

    Wait, where`s all the IAB-Lib-Tards complaining that Fox is "ultra-right"?? Eh? (I see a couple of them admitting that B.O`Reilly has a point, lolz! In this case it`s his pointed head...)

    @bex753: Yes! 3D-printing not only can currently make working 30-round magazines, it will soon be able to make working GUNS!
    The cat is out of the bag! "Banning" magazines is utterly a waste of time & money. It`s like banning photocopiers, good luck with that!
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    January 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    I am so sick of the gun debate...I just don`t care anymore either way...
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    Bill yells when he`s being shown up. He`s a bully.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    O`Reilly is completely misinformed on this point.

    You can`t legally buy a fully automatic AK-47 in America without a special Federal Permit, and those permits are not easy, or cheap, to get.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
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    January 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    As far as I`m concerned, Bill O`Rielly is the New York Yankees of media. Whomever is against him is the one I root for. This guy is a weak little man who can`t deal with it when he`s wrong...
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    January 22, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    Oreilly is a dumb ass. You know how many people I know have a lot of ammo? A lot, at least 2 dozen! All law abiding citizens. He wants an FBI agent to follow up with each of them? That is absurd and a waste of resources.
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    cheeseb Male 30-39
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    January 22, 2013 at 9:04 pm
    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn`t; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn`t just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can`t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn`t.
    M: Yes it is! It`s not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that`s not just saying `No it isn`t.`
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn`t!
    A: Yes it is!
    M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
    A: No it isn`t.
    M: It is.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 22, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    The ignorance is strong in this one.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 5:09 am
    It`s part of gun license here, your ammo is part of the license and you can get ammo only for your particular gun and not in huge amount either without a special reason. You`ll get fines and possible jailtime if you have un-accounted ammo, just a single bullet will do (some have souvenirs and such, it doesn`t matter if it`s empty or loaded casing, any part of ammunition is regarded as illegal with out a proper license). It`s almost as bad as illegal weapon..

    Don`t remember what comedian it was (Chris Rock, possibly?) that said that ammo should cost 100$ per round.. Let`s see how many drivebys you can the do? Did i mention we don`t fear break-ins or gun related crimes here even when we have one of the highest gun ownership rates in Europe? Reason: our guns are for hunting or target practice

    No handguns, no concealed licenses which both have but one target:a human. You can`t get a gun unless you register to shooting range or hunting team.. You know, a responsible and m
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:05 am
    Law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns.
    ...unless you have a mental illness or are an ex-convict, then it`s completely legit to deny them their God-given right to bear arms, isn`t it?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:13 am
    @CreamK

    Shells can be reloaded. Your laws show what happens when you let people who no nothing about firearms dictate other peoples lives. Every shooter I know buys ammo in large quantities at least 500 to 1,00 rounds because it saves money.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:34 am
    I don`t know about what gun-shows he`s been to, but every time I`ve purchased a firearm from a dealer at a gunshow I had to pass a background check.

    The ONLY time I`ve purchased a gun without a background check is when it was a purchase from a private citizen (which you`ll never be able to regulate).
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:41 am
    McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut, McGovern is a gun nut,
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 7:34 am
    Ya that about sums up the pro control argument....
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 7:38 am
    You know my position on this topic, however: I think if it were so easy for twerrorists to get bazookas, we`d see more bazooka twerrorism.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 7:57 am
    I think if it were so easy for twerrorists to get bazookas, we`d see more bazooka twerrorism.

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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 8:00 am
    Isn`t O`reilly a serious adversary of government spending? Suggesting that wasting taxpayer money following every person who makes a gun purchase is a bit of a flip flop isn`t it?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 8:39 am
    @5Cats

    "3D-printing not only can currently make working 30-round magazines, it will soon be able to make working GUNS!"

    Putting the gun debate aside for just a second to say: can you imagine what the anti-piracy ads will be like once that becomes an affordable norm for the average person? :P
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 8:45 am
    patchgrabber: Strictly speaking the 2nd Amendment doesn`t make a distinction in regards to mental health or prior convictions.

    You have to remember that the patriots that defended us in the revolutionary war were `criminals` according to the king of England, and many loyalists thought they were crazy as well.

    However we are 200 years separated from those times and we have made more than enough infringements to our essential liberty in the name of safety, in regards to owning guns.

    Of course mental patients and convicts shouldn`t own guns, but now the president and individual governors are pressing for measures that are idiotic and endanger not only our liberty, but our safety as well.
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    lovepath7 Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 8:54 am
    Bill O`Reilly has the anti-Midas touch: He puts the stench and coating of pseudo-intellectual Spartan on everything he touches.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Of course mental patients and convicts shouldn`t own guns
    And why is that exactly? Why should someone who was, say, never held a gun and was convicted of marijuana possession, then paid his debt to society and was released *not* be allowed to own a gun? They are in no way any less safe with guns than you, yet their rights are infringed? My point is that violation of your rights is based on arbitrary reasons, and there is no logical argument that says those reasons cannot be extended or restricted. I could argue that someone who owns 50 guns is a danger to the community, either by himself or with the possibility of others taking the guns and using them without his permission. Also, just because someone is mentally ill doesn`t mean they are a danger; the vast majority of those with mental illness are harmless, so why "punish" them?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 9:50 am
    patchgrabber-" convicted of marijuana possession, then paid his debt to society and was released *not* be allowed to own a gun?"

    Because the law (which is a good one) says so.

    There is a procedure in place where people who served for non-violent crimes can get their carry rights restored.

    It`s not easy, and it`s not cheap. But if you`re dumb enough to get arrested and convicted in the first place it`s the price you have to pay.

    patchgrabber-"yet their rights are infringed?"

    No, they were not. They voluntarily gave them up when they commited crimes that could result of loss of those rights.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Because the law (which is a good one) says so.
    I`m glad we`re in agreement that laws can be made to limit rights in your constitution and that those laws, although serving a purpose, are arbitrary.

    They voluntarily gave them up when they commited crimes that could result of loss of those rights.
    The mentally ill did no such thing.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 10:03 am
    patchgrabber-"I`m glad we`re in agreement that laws can be made to limit rights in your constitution"

    Funny, since I said no such thing.

    I said that you can righty LOSE your rights through your own criminal actions.

    patchgrabber-"The mentally ill did no such thing."

    We were not talking about the mentally ill. YOU said, specifically, somone who `was convicted of marijuana possession`. THAT`s the scenario I was responsding to.

    Try and keep up with your own damn argument. Or at least quit moving the goalpost in mid-sentance.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 23, 2013 at 10:35 am
    can you imagine what the anti-piracy ads will be like once that becomes an affordable norm for the average person? :P
    @Musuku42: Actually, I have a difficult time imagining how far 3D Printing will go. (And I have a vivid imagination!!) Will it make electronics someday? Close to the Star Trek "replicators"? (which are REALLY stupid when you think about it...)

    Making a Timex watch with your 3D printer? Leather strap not included of course...
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:23 am
    Funny, since I said no such thing. I said that you can righty LOSE your rights through your own criminal actions.
    Ah, but since the constitution said nothing about situations where it is ok to limit the freedoms, you are implicitly agreeing that those freedoms are not absolute and thus are open to restriction.

    We were not talking about the mentally ill. YOU said, specifically, somone who `was convicted of marijuana possession`. THAT`s the scenario I was responsding to.
    Actually I said both, but if you want to ignore the argument about the mentally ill and focus solely on the criminal argument it does nothing to strengthen your position. I`d love to hear your response on the mental illness point I made.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:39 am
    patchgrabber: It`s a known fact that many mentally ill people have committed acts of mass murder and instead of blaming the individual, the guns they use get blamed.

    No one blamed the knives or guns used in the Tate-LaBianca murders, Charles Manson and his crew were to blame and rightly so.

    In the recent Sandy Hook shootings, too many people are blaming the guns and not the killer, Lanza.

    As I`ve said before laws don`t stop criminals, they are used to prosecute them after the fact. Since Lanza died people naturally want to lash out at something. You can`t hang a dead man, can`t lash out at him, so the urge to assign blame can`t be easily assuaged. So politicians make promises of new laws, knowing that they won`t solve the problem of maniac mass murderers, but to further their own ends of disarming the public.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:40 am
    Ah, but since the constitution said nothing about situations where it is ok to limit the freedoms, you are implicitly agreeing that those freedoms are not absolute and thus are open to restriction.
    From the Supreme Court decisions I`ve read, "the people" in the Constitution refers to the political community (those who can vote) rather than all citizens. From this, the easiest way that I can see to legally restrict this right would be to exclude the group (felons and mentally ill) from the political community.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:48 am
    It is a very odd day when I agree with Bill O`Reilly (or to be more accurate the character of Bill O`Reilly that he is playing).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:51 am
    5Cats: 3D printers will push the frontier of trademark and patent law the way mp3 and avi files have pushed media laws.

    There are somethings 3D printers may not soon be able to replicate, but simple machines like guns and gun parts, are easy. I believe it`s ridiculous that a pistol grip would make a gun illegal under Obama`s proposals. That and other trappings do nothing to change how the gun functions.

    The irrational fear of a `scary black military style` gun needs to end and people need to understand the difference between fully automatic (and mostly illegal) firearms and semi-auto firearms. The scaremongering needs to end and that goes not only for guns but for other issues as well.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:52 am
    I have a basement full of ammo. That doesn`t mean I`m going to kill all of you. Hell, I`m sure a few of you will escape after all.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 11:53 am
    It`s a known fact that many mentally ill people have committed acts of mass murder and instead of blaming the individual, the guns they use get blamed.
    But wait, I thought a cornerstone of the argument against gun control was that the majority shouldn`t be punished for the actions of a few? You`re simply spouting off talking points about blaming guns, and I`ve done none of that in this thread.

    @HA: Your argument seems reasonable, *if* that is how "the people" is actually being interpreted. However, that isn`t the case currently with respect to who has a 2nd Amendment right, so that argument doesn`t really work here. The fact remains that if you`re sincerely concerned with loss of rights, that treating mentally ill as you do is a clear violation, and everybody seems ok with it, so with that precedent in mind, it`s logical to extend that law however the government, and by extension its people, see fit.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    This is why I don`t go to the States. Both sides are bugnutty.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    5Cats-"Will it make electronics someday?"

    It very well could. Microchip manufacture is basically screen-printing technology. Learn to print using different materials and it could work.

    5Cats-"Making a Timex watch with your 3D printer?"

    The first computers were as big as buildings, with vacuum tube technology. We now can fit 50+ GB on something quarter the size of a postage stamp.

    THIS was printed, already assembled, using 3D printing...how small do you think we could get it in a decade?


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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    patchgrabber-"since the constitution said nothing about situations"

    It also said nothing about jailing or executing murders. It`s a standard that if you show that you are unwilling to live by societies laws, you lose your rights.

    patchgrabber-"you are implicitly agreeing "

    No, I`m not, no matter how much you attempt to distort what you read.

    patchgrabber-"I`d love to hear your response on the mental illness point I made."

    Mentally ill people should be protected from themselves and others to whatever extent is necessary, also others should be protected from them to whatever extent is necessary.

    Some mentally ill should not be around guns, or knives. Some mentally ill should not be allowed to drive. Mentally ill people with severe intellgence deficits going by the hand patchgrabber should not be allowed a computer or internet connection. (sorry, don`t usually, but couldn`t resist.)
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    However, that isn`t the case currently with respect to who has a 2nd Amendment right, so that argument doesn`t really work here.
    I agree though I think quite a bit of the issues and concerns right now can be solved by widely adopting the agreed upon definition of "the people". As Justice Scalia stated in DC v. Heller: "in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention `the people,` the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community".

    The fact remains that if you`re sincerely concerned with loss of rights, that treating mentally ill as you do is a clear violation
    From a strictly libertarian point of view, I don`t see any problems with your logic. The issue I take is that you assume loss of rights is the only concern; for some of us, legality (authority) is the big problem.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 23, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    Some mentally ill should not be around guns
    As I said before, I`m glad we`re in agreement that laws can be made to limit rights in your constitution and that those laws, although serving a purpose, are arbitrary. Took you a while to realize that you do agree, but I didn`t mind waiting.

    I think quite a bit of the issues and concerns right now can be solved by widely adopting the agreed upon definition of "the people".
    I concur, it would curb much of the hypocrisy.

    The issue I take is that you assume loss of rights is the only concern
    I don`t assume that, actually. I`m merely picking at a common point conservatives like to make, which is that increased gun control is an attack on rights, and I`m attempting to highlight the hypocrisy and inanity of such statements.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    patchgrabber-"Took you a while to realize that you do agree"

    The mentally ill have the same rights as everyone else RIGHT UP UNTIL THE TIME they demonstrate they can`t handle them.

    Same way with criminals.

    What YOU want to do is take them away from law abiding citizens prior to any such demonstration.
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm
    That was a weird point of view for Bill
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    Danaxu Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:02 pm
    I`ll say this until I`m dead, drat Bill O`Reilly.
    On any issue.
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    Danaxu Male 18-29
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    January 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    And by `drat` it means F>U>C>K
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    Finker Male 40-49
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    January 24, 2013 at 4:10 am
    @5Cats " laws don`t stop criminals",

    Don`t tell me nobody ever has thought about murder or other crimes but been put off because they might get caught. If there were no laws then more bad things would happen.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    January 24, 2013 at 10:20 am
    Bill O is a complete f\/cktard.

    if he took 2 minutes to look at the laws he would know everything he said is complete poo
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    January 24, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    bill is nuts
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    January 25, 2013 at 6:44 am
    I really don`t like O`Reilly`s manner, but this has to be the first time I agree with him so much. The gun show loophole is a travesty.
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    Dover78 Male 18-29
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    January 25, 2013 at 10:10 pm
    @McBoozerilla There is no gun show loophole for automatic weapons. If you try to buy a fully-automatic weapon at a gun show, you have to go through all the same process as if you bought it from a dealer. And O`Reilly is clearly biased in the argument. You can tell by the way you tries to paint the picture that a Kalashnikov-pattern rifle is "Heavy Armament." Civilian AKs (single shot, the only kind you can buy without NFA restriction) fire ONE 7.62x39 round per trigger pull. Like the 5.56 there is nothing magical or even noteworthy about the round. Its a standard .30 caliber bullet with a sub-par powder charge behind it. Any .30 caliber hunting round blows it out of the water in terms of accuracy, range and power. .308 AKA 7.62x51 NATO is far and away the superior cartridge.

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