Concealed Carry Arrest

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago in Misc

Florida Deputy Andy Cox arrests concealed carry licensee for accidental exposure.
There are 69 comments:
Male 15,832
[quote]There are no depths to which you will not sink, are there?[/quote]
Why? What do you care about 6 million disarmed Jews?
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Male 411
Cops will always react this way to a gun. The one day they don`t is the day they get shot. Always inform the office immediately that you`re in possession of a firearm and where it`s located.

Oh, I`m sorry, I didn`t realize you could tell the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen just by looking at them.
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Male 13
@ozmose where are you from because here in fl. we do not have to infom the cops i have put the state law up more then once to prove this, in the video the cop never asked if the guy was armed so by fl s. 790.06(1) must display both the license and proper identification upon DEMAND by a law enforcement officer
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Male 450
@stunmi

That`s wrong.
I have my carry permit. The very first thing you`re supposed to do when you get pulled over, is to tell the cop you have a permit and that you are carrying a handgun, as well as the location of the gun. The cop was in the right here.
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Female 2,602

[quote]if Obama takes away all your guns you believe he is going to put the Gestapo and SS in charge of America?[/quote]

Clearly that would be ridiculous. The Gestapo is *already* in charge of America.
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Male 13
fl s. 790.06(1) The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court, THE COP NEVER ASKED IF HE HAD ANY WEAPONS, so the guy didnt have to tell him he did
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Male 2,988
the cop needs to be fired. he clearly doesn`t know how to perform his job properly and has a loose cannon overreaction temper. it isn`t going to be long before this cop just goes ahead and shoots someone without the courtesy of threats. one small mistake on the CC guys part (not wearing a longer shirt to 100% hide it) and the cop flips out. small fine or citizen, and fire the cop or at least never have him back on the streets again
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Male 7,123
OldOllie,

There are no depths to which you will not sink, are there?
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Male 7,774
So if Obama takes away all your guns you believe he is going to put the Gestapo and SS in charge of America?...ok that makes sense.
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Female 6,381
Only in America...
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Male 85
I don`t know how well you guys think you know florida law, but you are not required to tell anyone including officers that you have a concealed weapon unless requested to. -> BUT <- as a courtesy, you tell an officer that you have a CWP permit and that you do have a firearm on you. When you say this, the officer will always tell you to get out of the car, hands on the car, and remove the weapon from you. But he will respect the fact that you let him know that he was in control of the situation and your respect for him/her.
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Male 149
for once i have to side with the cops. all he had to do was stay in the car. cops get nervous when any one gets out of the car
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Male 15,832
[quote]OldOllie, sorry dude, I`m not trying to keep singling you out but can`t you guys see? Gun control is not NO guns.[/quote]
Of course, you`re right. After Hitler instituted gun control in Germany, the Gestapo and the SS still had plenty of guns.

The Jews...not so much.
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Male 840
Does holster = firearm? The video shows that the officer did not see a gun.
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Male 425
kunter is right, that guy should have immediately notified the officer that he has a concealed weapon, that`s what you are supposed to do.
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Male 2,436
Didn`t watch the whole thing...

The man is required to notify the officer immediately that he has a CCP. It should be the first thing out of his mouth while he is handing the officer his drivere`s license AND concealed carry permit.
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Male 554
some cops thing only they have the right to have a gun.. this cop may have been correct, slighty... but went about it the wrong way. the white trash tard that had the CCweapon should have kept his mouth shut, AND.. stayed in the van. i mean really, who gets out of their car when they get pulled over.. people need to think.
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Male 3,477
In Vermont you can carry it on your hip. One of the last real states.
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Male 666
>>>And, let`s see if I remember this correctly, the gun freaks usual claim is that the ability to carry a gun *protects* them against abuse by the authorities?<<<

Then you have grossly over simplified their argument.
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Male 666
I do not know if one can be arrested for unconcealing a concealed weapon. (Seems like it depends on the state.) But it does seem that the cop had a reason to get the situation in hand. On the other hand AFTER the situation was in hand, the permit was found, and noting that as far as I could see all the officers instructions were followed it would have made sense to me to write the ticket for what ever he was pulled over for in the first place and then let them go on their way.

As for the unconcealing of the weapon, not to be to picky (well yeah just to be picky), I never saw the weapon, the holster yes the weapon no. So could one not argue that it was still concealed?
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Female 2,602
And, let`s see if I remember this correctly, the gun freaks usual claim is that the ability to carry a gun *protects* them against abuse by the authorities?
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Male 143
Not all states have a requirement to notifiy law, a link between vehicle registrations and pistol permits, or a mandate that a gun be completely concealed at all times.
I`ve been in that situation many times, and drawing reduces reation time......there`s nothing wrong with telling the person that if his hand goes toward the gun he`s gonna get shot...because that woulde justified......this, and every other situation comes down to reasonableness......staying calm, controlled, and solving the problem at hand......if they take it up a notch, they get what they get.
This officer heightened the level on his own...As for the charges, I have no idea...it`s not in NY.
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Male 162
Sounds like the officer was having a bad day and reacted a little over the top.

This is why you should pull over, turn off your radio, roll down your window, and keep your hands up on the steering wheel. When the officer comes up, let him/her know if you have a permit and any weapons. When asked for your ID or vehicle paperwork, announce to the officer where it is before reaching for it. Just leaning over and rummaging through your glove compartment can cause unnecessary alarm.
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Male 7,774
OldOllie, sorry dude, I`m not trying to keep singling you out but can`t you guys see? Gun control is not NO guns. Ergo, Chapman wouldn`t have had a gun and Lennon would probably still be alive.
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Male 1,891
The violation based on the weapon remaingin concealed is B.S.

The fact that the guy failed to notify the officer immediately and proceeded to reach near his firearm is what earned the officer`s response.

This guy has no business having a CCW permit if he is not going to comply with the terms of the permit.

I was stopped by Ohio State patrol yesterday while armed. The office knew I had a CCW before he turned his lights on to stop me. I followed protocol and was THANKED by the officer for following the law.

This kind of crap does not need to happen. It makes the rest of us look bad.

Final Verdict: Officer wins. Dumbass who failed to follow the agreement he sigend to get hsi permit, Fail.
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Male 15,832
[quote]sorry, but i`m siding with this guy here.[/quote]
You mean the guy who was shot and killed in a city with the toughest gun control laws in the country?
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Male 1,313
Roflmao @ Gerry
Nice one.
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Male 4,316
just tremember all cops are heros no matter what they do
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Male 329
Florida law, if you have a CCL and are armed - you have to notify the cop immediately. It`s for your protection and the cops. This guy didn`t say anything and the cop happened to just notice he was packing heat.. that`s a pretty scary situation.
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Male 41
"He had a permit but didn`t tell me he had a permit". The citizen said "I have a permit" he said "I don`t care if you have a permit". I can understand him being anxious about the dude stepping out reaching into his truck, but as the officer in charge of the situation he should have instructed him to remain in the vehicle. This situation was handled poorly by both parties. Have to side with the guy in this situation, due to the officer being negligent.
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Male 40,259

Looking at his wife, I think maybe he was hoping the cop would shoot him.
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Male 14,331
And these are the people the bans won`t apply to.
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Male 31
Not saying the cop is right but by law the person should have notified the cop he had a gun immediately before doing anything else
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Male 1,104
sorry, but i`m siding with this guy here.


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Male 8,699
State Attorney refused to pursue charges.

Cop should have been let go.
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Male 363
CreamK, same goes for you. Keep your European, Liberal, Socialist views to yourself.
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Male 363
DinVen, STFU. You don`t have guns in your country, that is your problem, don`t try to impose your beliefs on our country. Stay out of it.
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Male 7,774
Maybe if she didn`t have a gun.....just saying!
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Male 390
Good job.
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Male 684
i think the first thing you are supposed to do is inform any law enforcement officer that you are armed and have a permit. I think that`s the first thing they teach you in the class you have to take to get your permit to carry. So. by not informing the policeman that he was armed was his 3rd mistake in the video...
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Female 2,691
The cop seems rather unprofessional. I`m surprised he didn`t beat the fat lady until she sang.
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Male 15,832
That cop needs to go to prison for felony armed criminal action. The guy should also sue the county so hard that they have to double their property taxes.
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Male 5,202
When a cop pulls you over you stay put until asked to leave your vehicle. It is all yes sir, no sir. You don`t burst out of your car like a drunken hunter.
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Male 68
I start to love Indiana more and more each day. We`re not a Must Inform state, AND we can open carry so no stupid accidental revealing can result in an arrest or anything of the sort (given you`re carrying your License To Carry Handgun). Must Inform just means if you have any sort of interaction with a Law Enforcement Officer, you must inform him you`re carrying immediately, however if asked, you still must inform and present your gun license and driver`s license in non-"must inform" states. Though, most cops know the second they pull you over from your plates, and will ask.
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Male 2,160
creamk, if uniforms make shooting someone okay, don`t we simply step from the "wild west" into the warsaw ghetto?
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Male 143
People walk around carrying guns every day. I do.

I think the officer was overzealous, and could have accomplished what he needed to another way. Drawing his weapon, sure....Prone the guy out and threaten him..not so much.
In his defense, citizens all know who the police are during traffic stops....the police have no idea who the person is.
The officer had the duty and obligation to determine if the gun was legally possessed, and to make sure he won`t get shot.
He was safe, but over the top.
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Male 1,421
Should`ve been shot. Idiots carrying guns like it`s wild west, that should be illegal as hell. I would not feel safe at all if i had people walking around carrying guns like it`s nothing. Appalling.
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Male 41,153
@SilverThread I totally agree. It`s not "the duty" of a citizen to inform a cop of things that aren`t asked.
Granted it would be a good idea! To mention you`ve got a firearm, that`s true. But it`s not YOUR job.
@ruiner2000 is correct: do NOT hop out without being asked. Do NOT make sudden moves or do weird stuff in front of a cop! Just try to stay calm and listen to orders, should work out OK.

This cop is a PIG! Swearing? Threatening violence? Making stuff up to "justify" his actions? What a disgrace...
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Male 4,891

F the police!
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Male 1,949
I wonder what the NRA`s stance is on this... Can`t go anti-cop, can`t go against the legit carrier.
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Male 20
m not carrying i was asked how often i went to the range. "not as much as i`d like."
rule 1, shut the car off in accessory mode. it turns the interior lights on.
rule 2, put wallet on dashboard and place both hands on steeling wheel.
rule 3, wait till the officer is beside your car before even rolling down the window.
rule 4, never exit your vehicle unless asked. don`t even take off your seat belt.
rule 5, if you have weapons in your car, even unconventional ones, offer the information up freely. for 5 years i carried (illegally) an 8 inch hunting knife under my seat and a 4 inch alligator knife in a hollowed out hole in my door.
cops love it when you tell them you have a weapon, because that means you have no intention of using it.
on the 95 in a 60 stop the closest thing i had to a weapon was a screwdriver i forgot on my passenger seat. i told them and poof 95 turned to 75 in a 60.
do your part, this won`t happen to you in any traffic
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Male 1,745
This guy could have gotten himself killed. When he walks up, you say "Good afternoon officer, I`d like to inform you that I have a carry permit", not jump out of the car and flip your wallet out like it`s friggin quick draw.

From the cop`s perspective, the car is unregistered or expired, some unknown guy has a gun you weren`t informed of. If I was the cop, I`d be pretty pissed too.

Carriers need to be responsible and smart.
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Male 3,431
That cop just cost his department a s#!t load of money.

A weapon in view in a holster is not brandishing. If it were then every police officer in the country is guilty of brandishing a firearm. The cop overreacted in a huge way.

The thing that chaps my ass about this scenario is that the cop immediately escalated the interaction shouting expletives and theatening homicide.

It`s easy to armchair quarterback, but the way this was handled really bugs the hell out of me.
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Male 20
I live in Florida. I have been pulled over multiple times ranging from doing 95 in a 60, to making an "aggressive right hand turn." EVERY time I was asked the following;
1. licence, registration, and proof of insurance.
2. are there any weapons or drugs in the vehicle?
3. do you know why i pulled you over?
sometimes #2 and #3 are swapped, but never has anyone forgot to ask "are there any weapons in the vehicle" question. even on the "aggressive turn" (turning right on a red without coming to a full stop first) i was asked if there were any weapons in the car. it was only after the first deputy took my id and i set my wallet on the passenger seat that things even became a little tense. (my concealed carry permit is directly behind my driver`s license) the 2nd deputy saw it through the passenger side window and all i was asked was if i was practicing my right at the time. when i said no, i`m not carrying i was asked how often i went to the ra
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Male 3,310
I thought if you conceal carry and get stopped by the police the very first thing out of your mouth was supposed to be that you are packing. So now there`s an officer wondering why this guy was keeping it a secret. But since it`s just a gun why is the officer getting excited? I mean, if it was a cupcake I could see getting excited. But worst case here would just be loss of life. Get a drating grip, pig.
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Male 17,511
Obviously this cop doesn`t know the law and went apesh|t over it. Even a momentary revealing is not illegal, as stunmi just copy/pasted, according to the law.
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Male 689
all the cop saw was a gun and a probable drunk man in possession. telling him he would shoot is the norm anymore. the cop felt threatened and reacted. they CANNOT be relaxed because this sort of thing is what could get them killed. i have even had this happen to me when i was pulled over and i had a knife clipped in my pocket. he should have told him the moment the officer talked to him. even if he did though the officer would still pull a gun in order to defend himself. it is just the type of job he has, react BEFORE the incident has a chance to escalate.
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Male 2,160
police overreacting and irresponsible carry on the man`s part. both should get a nice lecture.
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Male 13
fl s. 790.053 (1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
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Male 13
they guy didnt do anything wrong, at most he would only get a $25 ticket
fl s. 790.06(1) The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court.
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Male 10,338
They are in Florida. He should have concealed his weapon.

He had it on a holster, and his shirt was un-tucked, over it. That is not concealed. That is covered, and does not count.

The moment the gun was in plain view, it was no longer concealed. Florida is not an open carry state.

NOW: That being said.

The man does not have to inform the officer that he has a weapon unless the officer asks.

The officer threatened to shoot him in the back. This is a violation of rights.

The man was in the wrong, and violated state law by sloppily handling his weapon, permit or not.

The cop was rude and mistreated the man.

The judge will throw this out.
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Male 40,259

And they wonder why we don`t trust them.
"I`ll shoot you in the f*ckin back! Up against the car"
Hey officer, there`s your sign.
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Male 7
The officer is doing his job. If your gonna carry a firearm first and foremost show him both hands and let him know you have it. Accept the responsibilities of owning it. Don`t be a clueless goof who went to a gun show. We deserve to carry a firearm, just remember in doing so that we should carry ourselves in a manner that is an adequate reflection of our choice to own and carry a gun. Paying for a gun and a permit is simple to do. But owning a firearm requires more intellect
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Male 44
By the way, I have a friend that is an Oakland County Deputy and he told me as soon as the plate is ran, the cop knows if the owner of the vehicle has a concealed carry permit. I guess this cop forgot to run the plate before approaching the driver of the vehicle.
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Male 44
The guy should have told the officer he was armed before he got out of the van. But on the other hand, the cop didn`t need to treat that guy like that.
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2,889
if you have ac CC you need to hand if over with your license, you are also required to aid police.

at least that was the law in my state until they said F it, let people OC, CC at their own discretion.
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Male 116
to be fair, while this is a pretty big over reaction, the first thing you`re supposed to do when pulled over is announce to the officer that you have a gun on you, it`s part of the concealed carry course
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Male 83
doesn`t look like his carry is very well concealed
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Female 8,043
Link: Concealed Carry Arrest [Rate Link] - Florida Deputy Andy Cox arrests concealed carry licensee for accidental exposure.
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