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Date: 01/11/13 11:19 AM

41 Responses to Caller Suggests Child Rape Victims Are Evil

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    January 11, 2013 at 9:53 am
    Link: Caller Suggests Child Rape Victims Are Evil - Christian caller gets shut down and cut off on an Atheist show when he speaks the unthinkable.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:35 am
    I`m not sure there is or is not a god so I am agnostic. I don`t understand why Atheists are so sure there is not a god. A lot of them just seam like people who were really burned by their religion and are going against the thing that wronged them. Why not just go against organized religion? That is the real evil.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:49 am
    @ Markust, this is where religion breaks down as we are all athiests, we just take it one god further...If you have never read Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins to truly test your indoctrination, than don`t question why athiests are so sure
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:50 am
    On topic though, this is even a low that I am sure Pat Robertson wouldn`t endorse
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:58 am
    :O
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    Markust makes more sense than canusuck. There is no way to know. Not even Dawkins can enlighten us. Yes, not even him.


    But this link is largely a phantom menace.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    @ Andrew155 - with that logic, Santa and the Easter Bunny also exist.
    What are the odds of that? The same as if "God" existed.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    "If you have never read Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins to truly test your indoctrination, than don`t question why athiests are so sure"

    Why do you assume I have been indoctrinated? I can count on one hand the number of times I went to church for something other than a wedding or a funeral. I`ve watched a bunch of the debates between atheists and leaders of religious organizations. It always solidifies my views against organized religion but it never proves indefinitely that there is no god. Where is the proof that there is no god? Does Carl Sagan have that proof? That would be pretty big news. Again don`t get me wrong because for most of the time I think the idea of a god is kind of silly. But other times I question it. What is this proof that that is no god?
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    You cannot prove there is no God. what you CAN show is that various claims made for God are inaccurate and show that the probability of a sentient, sapient God are very low. Human Gods are made by humans....
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    @Markust-that`s the beauty of Carl Sagan, based on what is known it is a consequence of the pusuit of knowledge...I remember reading Cosmos and he never directly states lack of faith but it is an inescapable conclusion from reading that and his other books...very liberating
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    wow, good points from them, christian looks like a lunatic. Not much of a stretch for that though...
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Christians are proof there is no god.
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    deathcab4aj Female 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    fake
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    Christians are proof there is no god.

    Ya jeez at least in Islam you marry the child before raping them....

    Oh wait those are just the girls the boys well some get to be Bacha Bazi. i`ll let you figure out what they do.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    You can`t conclusively prove something doesn`t exist, (because that would take complete knowledge of existence) but you can weigh the evidence and decide whether something is likely to have an existence independent of your imagination or not. No good evidence for the existence of god has ever been presented, so the claim that god exists is not likely to be true, and belief in god is not justified.

    In my opinion, neuropsychology, evolutionary psychology, and sociology offer the best evidence against god. When you understand what the different modules of the human brain do, when you investigate the probable evolutionary history of those modules, and when you look at the way the structures of the brain influence (and are influenced by) human social functioning, god becomes a more and more obvious fiction. (If you`d like to learn more, this lecture is a good place to start: youtube.com/watch?v=9T2umUoY00A)
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    artmunki Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    Markust - saying you`re agnostic doesn`t reallly say much of anything at all. Theism is the belief in god or gods. When you add the prefix `a-` to a term, this denotes lack of the subsequent clause. If you believe there`s a god, you`re a theist. If you don`t have that belief - whether or not you assert that there *is* no god - then you`re an atheist. It`s not a belief you can ascribe to, but a simple description of your position on belief of gods.

    And as to your point about being wronged by religion: religion has never played any direct part in my life, so I`ve never been personally `burned` by religion. However, I`m deeply offended by the lies, prejudice and hatred fostered by religions the world over, and in particular by the incredibly immoral attitude they have to morality itself, and the way they continually try to force everyone else to live by their perverted "morality". Humanity is wronged by religion, period.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    markust, you can have whatever views you want, but, asking for proof that something doesn`t exist? That`s beneath you, Bro. You`re more intelligent and a better thinker than that. Consider what you`re asking for there, and why it`s such a silly request. Again, you can believe as you see fit, obviously, but, the conclusion is pretty clear if you engage it with logic even a little bit.
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    artmunki Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    Also, contrary to what a few others have said, it actually *is* entirely possible to prove a negative. For example, if someone asserts that there`s something in a box, you can open the box to see if anything`s there. If it`s empty you`ve just proved a negative.

    However, this depends on having some idea of what the `something` is. If the claimant still asserts there`s something in the box even after you`ve checked and found nothing, the reasonable assumption is that the claim is false. If the claimant then modifies his claim to say that the thing in the box is invisible and intangible (or transcendent, if you will), it is *then* impossible to prove a negative ... but it is still entirely reasonable to conclude that the claim is totally spurious, and also to distrust any subsequent claim that individual makes. And if they continue asserting their claim, the burden of proof lies with the claimant to prove that there is actually anything in the box at all.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    i think that the prove of a god or not is individual and wether it can or cn not be proven, disproven or made ridiculous in any way form or shape is.. well, redundant as it is something that an individual should aply to his or her life.

    As soon as one person tries to prove something for another person, you go from belief to sience.. i dont belief in any god, but i dont feel i have the right to say anyone is wrong for believing in a god. Who am i to deny them the happiness they can find in that.
    At the same time, no one has the right to tell me i am wrong for not believing. Hell, even in teh bible it is stated that this is the choice of the individual. So if your god exists, he told me i can deny him. Now, i dont think any god exist, but if your god exists and he sais it is wrong for me to disbelieve in him, he did open the door for disbelieving, who are you to contradict your god? punishing me for not believing in your god is placing you on his seat ,your god sais thats no
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    sigh..

    your god sais, thats not allouwed.

    thanks counter ;-)
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    Richstickman Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    @markust
    kinda the stock answer but..
    atheism/theism and agnostic/gnostic are replys to 2 different questions. atheism/ theism is the BELIEF that there is /is not a god whereas, gnosicism/agnosicism is the CERTAINTY that there is / is not a god/s you can have an agnostic athiest, which is a person that does not beleve there is a god but is open to change there mind if good enough evidence is provided.. what constitutes good evedence is where the argument begins!!
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    "What is this proof that that is no god?"

    the proof is that in the bible god supposedly did a lot of things in our world, like creating the world 6000 years ago, creating humans and animals, a world wide flood or the slaughter of every firstborn in egypt, that would have left evidence behind. Now we know that those things never happened, so if the interactions god supposedly had with our world are false then why would you believe there`s a god in the first place?
    no one can disprove that a god does not exist, but there`s plenty of evidence that the god from the bible does not.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2013 at 4:01 pm

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    carmium Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    I wish God-believers would stop trying to "prove" the existence of God and realize that what they depend on is not evidence, not proof, not logic, but faith, and faith alone. You believe for one reason: you like the idea of a big sky daddy watching you from above. If you didn`t, the idea of a god would fall apart like a stack of bowling balls. So stop demanding proof God doesn`t exist and parroting the standard flawed arguments we`ve all heard before. You have faith despite commons sense, not because of it.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 8:52 pm
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    DROP THE dratING MIC!!! BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF LIKE A dratING BOSSS!!!!1
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    I feel the existence of God is not provable... it is based on faith and personal beliefs....It is however tiring to have believers berate non-believers with remarks about the only way to be a decent, loving, productive member of society is to follow Jesus, that they won`t get in to heaven if they don`t, or present themselves as they are somehow superior because of what they believe to be true, yet can`t be proven.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2013 at 11:17 pm
    [quote">Ya jeez at least in Islam you marry the child before raping them....[/quote">

    Seriously, McGovern that is a selective sample.
    Turkish LGBT website
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 12:08 am
    Being agnostic is a wishy washy stance but I don`t always believe or disbelieve in god. I really was just curious why Atheists are so sure there is not a god. I get using the errors in the bible to show that god does not exist but that doesn`t help me because I don`t believe in organized religion.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:03 am
    @Markust123: how dare you question an athiest and why haven`t you read those books yet? But seriously... how dare you ask questions. Now, let thom get back to interrogating the Christians with their questions, mkay.
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    baradhili Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:11 am
    atheism is a belief as well... especially in the "born-again" atheism
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:53 am
    Probaably not helping but;

    Gnostic theist = believes god exists and it is possible to know this for certain.

    Agnostic theist = believes god exists but that it is not possible to know this for certain.

    Agnostic atheist = does not believe that god exists but accepts that it is not possible to be sure.

    Gnostic atheist = does not believe god exists and that it is possible to be certain.

    The last position is logically untennable and no significant atheist I have ever heard of holds it. Even Dawkins considers the existence of god to be merely extremely unlikely.

    Specific religious claims, however, can be tested and disproved or logically refuted.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:59 am
    markust,

    If you have met atheists who claim to be certain there is no god then they are doing it wrong. Check theDawkins scale. Dawkins puts himself at 6.9.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 12, 2013 at 6:00 am
    Probaably not helping but;

    Gnostic theist = believes god exists and it is possible to know this for certain.

    Agnostic theist = believes god exists but that it is not possible to know this for certain.

    Agnostic atheist = does not believe that god exists but accepts that it is not possible to be sure.

    Gnostic atheist = does not believe god exists and that it is possible to be certain.

    The last position is logically untennable and no significant atheist I have ever heard of holds it. Even Dawkins considers the existence of god to be merely extremely unlikely.

    Specific religious claims, however, can be tested and disproved or logically refuted.
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 8:16 am
    @markust123

    "I really was just curious why Atheists are so sure there is not a god"

    For the exact reason christians are so sure there IS a God. That`s what they believe. Very simple.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 8:56 am
    Advocates slavery? You mean that section that says you should work off your debts, and after seven years, regardless of remaining debt you are free to go. Make it sound as terrible as you want, but that is truth of it.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    i doubt that caller was a real christian, in fact it`s more likely that they were an atheist looking to make a scene at the expense of real christians. Wouldn`t surprise me.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:06 am
    @LordJim, i don`t understand why atheists continue to use god and religion to define themselves.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:44 am
    "Advocates slavery? You mean that section that says you should work off your debts, and after seven years, regardless of remaining debt you are free to go. Make it sound as terrible as you want, but that is truth of it."
    You never actually read your f***ing bible straight through. If you had, you`d know: Leviticus 25:44

    King James 2000 Bible
    Both your male and female slaves, whom you shall have, shall be of the nations that are round about you; of them shall you buy male and female slaves.

    King James Bible, Cambridge Ed.
    Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

    GOD`S WORD Translation
    You may have male and female slaves, but buy them from the nations around you.
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    Finker Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    @BlankTom, atheist is not a faith, it only really exists while people believe in god. Religion and faith can continue without atheists though.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:45 am
    @Cajun247

    Wouldn`t that also be considered a selective sample. I`m quite familier with many places where that would get that couple stoned to death. There are far more Muslium counties with Sharia laws than without.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:30 am
    I believe in God because I believe there is no down side to not believing in God. Hey, it works for me. And no, I cannot prove there is a God. But I will say that the only reason I know that a line is crooked is because I know what a straight line is.

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