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327 Responses to A Horrifying Thing Happened In Ohio

  1. Profile photo of CaptKangaroo
    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    Link: A Horrifying Thing Happened In Ohio - Gotta be some parents there worthy of `Parents of the year` consideration.
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    ledgehead Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Like!
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Thank You. It would be nice if we could please just stop blaming victims of rape. No matter what anyone wears, how drunk they get, they are NOT `asking for it`. Stop telling people ( especially but not exclusively women) how to avoid being raped and start telling potential rapists to NOT rape people. I have a perfect right to walk down a dark alley in a short skirt- in safety.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    madduck-" Stop telling people how to avoid being raped and start telling potential rapists to NOT rape people"

    Or, be intelligent and do BOTH.

    Tell you daughter how to avoid creepy people and to be aware of their surroundings. How not to accept drink they didn`t see poured. How not to drink themselves into oblivion. How not to wear a 5-ct diamond necklace in downtown Detroit during the night. How not to go swimming with alligators. How to take care of themselves.

    And we ALREADY tell rapist not to rape people. We have several thousand laws against it.

    Guess what...people break the law. You have to be careful of people like that, and instruct your kids how to do the same.

    Telling your daughter not to go swimming with sharks wearing a bloody-meat bathing suit is NOT `blaming the victim`, but instructing her about the dangers. A shark is going to be a shark. Avoid them.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    madduck-"I have a perfect right to walk down a dark alley in a short skirt- in safety."

    Yes, you have that right. But the reality is not everone gives a damn about your rights.

    Don`t be an idiot.
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    Smoothjc1 Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    Great video.liked And sub`ed
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    He can date my daughter!
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Applaud that guy for having the guts to put his head above the parapet of the Alpha male crap
    and highlighting what IS a major problem in the world today
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    Coach should be killed with his team.Period.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    well... this is an old debate ...playing football has nothing to do with committing a crime on their off hours.... the coach should be fired if he used his position to reprimand them over something outside his jurisdiction.... that said, put them kids in juvey or jail and be done with it.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Somebody should give this guy a blue ribbon for stating the obvious. Maybe then he would shut up instead of wasting everybody`s time telling us stuff that almost everybody already knows.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    @turdburglar
    Ya, instead of speaking up about obvious wrongs that everyone involved in is trying to sweep under the carpet, maybe he could just sit at his computer posting asinine comments on IAB.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Why should the football coach be expected to punish the kids?
    That`s up to the parents and the courts.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    I agree with McGrendel... we should ban assault penises.
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    Pha-Q Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    Well Gerry1of1,Dead-Kittens because if no one does anything or don`t get involved at some point this bullpoo continues and we end up with more dumbasses that sit by and watch poo happen. Being quiet didn`t help the kids being raped by Jerry Sandusky. Morons
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    MrPeabody - Right back at you, dick-head.
  17. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    pha-q, OIC, you expect people with no authority to to take action to take action anyway. Got it. But why then aren`t you putting the same responsibility on the math teacher? Or history teacher? They have contact with the hoodlums as well.

    Lets not get lost blaming the wrong people.
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    The choir boy`s are asking for it with how they dress. Wearing a skirt that can lift so easy... those slags!
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    Fancysucksss Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    Well hot damn. this is the best argument I`ve heard about rape. You sir have received the tip of my hat
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    sarita1225 Female 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    This was amazing. Everything he said was valid. I have a two year old son and a daughter on the way, and I already fear the influence of negative images in society regarding women and how sexualized everything is to some extent. Parents have an enormous responsibility. The people who need to hear these points won`t play it.

    Also, a member of the Catholic Church did recently say that partial responsibility is on the child victims of priests for wanting it or some horrible reason. I can`t remember, just google it. Sickening.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    January 12, 2013 at 8:37 pm
    man makes sense! alert the media!
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    Jury1of1 Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    I couldn`t watch more than 30 seconds of that ginger ass tree hugging pussy.
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    liberkaos Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 12:14 am
    Jury... the funny thing is that he talked about people like you, that just flip the "pussy" card. Good thing that you generalized him in 30 seconds, and judged him on the color of his hair... that`s a little too close to a bigoted KKK member for my tastes, but I guess I can judge you as you did him, that`s talking in your language anyway.
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    blonc Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 1:00 am
    Was set to agree with this guy wholeheartedly since he said quite a bit that made sense. Then he went into that bit about creepyness and social awkwardness. How could someone temper those tendencies without being made aware of them by someone on the outside?
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 1:30 am
    Right- NcGrendel, you need to look at what you just said- a more moderate version of the argument for rape all over the world. Slut shaming- so define a slut- who did not dress or act `safely`- well, we think of teeny skirts and heels. Other communities think cleavage and tight jeans- where does this stop- Hijab- and then women are told that they are assaulted because they leave their house. The point behind this is to say that men are incapable of controlling themselves. So- women must become invisible- because it puts the responsibility onto women- men have such animal instincts the sight of even hair provokes them. Is that a fair assessment of you, I hope not- but it is merely an extension of the idea that walking down the street in a skirt is like swimming in a tank of sharks. I believe that is wrong and unfair- on everyone, not just women.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 3:40 am
    "The point behind this is to say that men are incapable of controlling themselves."


    I don`t think that`s what he was saying... it was more like there are criminals who don`t give a poo about even trying to control themselves.

    Do you think it`s wrong of the police/local councils etc. to put up signs saying things like `guard your purse, pickpockets operating in this area`, or `don`t leave valuables on view in your car`?

    do you think it`s wrong to try and remind people that there are some people out there...not just men.. not just women... they`re called criminals, who don`t give a poo about your rights or bothering to try and control their urge to steal or rape.

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    Essersmith Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 3:58 am
    @Listypoos
    Its not quite that black and white is it?
    Common sense is one thing, but blaming the rapee for being assaulted...?

    What about a man being raped? did he ask for it? and why didnt he? he wore tight jeans and a loose revealing shirt aswell.

    Dont jump on McGrentrolls wagon, he "probably" agrees with the "she/he asked for it" opinion.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 4:33 am
    "@Listypoos
    Its not quite that black and white is it?
    Common sense is one thing, but blaming the rapee for being assaulted...? "

    He didn`t blame the rapee at all. Saying there are ways to reduce the chances of something happening is not the same as saying it was your fault if it does happen. I like the valuables in a car analogy, if you left your laptop on display on your front seat it wouldn`t make it right for a thief to break in and steal it, it wouldn`t mean you were asking for it and it wouldn`t mean it was your fault but it would make it more likely that it would happen and people rightly advise against it. You might as well be marching around with placards saying "don``t tell me to lock my front door tell thieves not to steal".
  29. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 5:02 am
    I`d like that analogy too if women were objects...I think you`ve missed the point entirely. The point is this: why do men find it necessary to rape women, and why do we tend to blame the victim, or make them feel `stupid` for exposing themselves in particular circumstances. Not every woman is SCARED FOR HER LIFE of being raped--and sometimes people are non-nice individuals and PUT them in those situations out of spite. Plus, most rapists are friends/family members/clergy, etc. I don`t think there is any way to fix this until we either kill every rapist and their offspring (since it is a highly heritable and adaptive trait) or find a way to segregate them. Most of these men only get sexual satisfaction out of hurting women or controlling them. We don`t need them in our society and never did. They make strippers and prostitutes--not doctors and engineers out of women.
  30. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 5:04 am
    No one here seems to get the point: a soul annihilating event cannot be after the fact said to be "well, you could have done X to prevent it." Nothing would have prevented that. They wanted you--so they took you. They are wrong 100%. You are right 100%. No matter if a woman is butt ass naked fingering herself in the street does she deserve to be raped. If you really believe that, then you`re probably a rapist yourself. No girl is `asking for it` unless she literally is `asking for it`.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 5:06 am
    No offense, but fuzzysheep has a very similar mentality to many rapists. They objectify women, or even think that viewing women that way is relevant. Women are a cosmos. So are men--so is every living thing. When you neglect that and merely see the parts and not the entire operation you`ll abandon yourself to wanton needs instead of seeing reality.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 6:07 am

    Terminology is key.
    So many people are confusing "asking for it" with "deserved it".
    Example, if my behavior led me into dangerous situations and I got shot, some people might say I was asking for trouble. That doesn`t mean I deserved to get shot. It doesn`t let the shooter off the hook, it just implies some culpability on my part.

    That can`t be applied to every crime victim, most were just minding their business. But sometimes the victim is guilty of foolish behavior that lead them into a dangerous situation.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:08 am
    Isn`t one of the purposes of government, and our schools is to develop a class of people who are good natured, honest, kind, caring, and most importantly--compassionate/empathetic? I know it`s not 100% possible, but if we promoted a society that respected people`s rights fiercely instead of talking about it maybe people wouldn`t feel not only victimized, but also tortured with guilt about being victimized in the first place.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:10 am
    Asking for it is deserved it in some circles. A shrug and an awkward silence might come out of it, but it`s still the same in the victim`s mind. It means that there was a way to prevent it and they failed to do it. You`re missing the reality of it. You`re missing the sympathy of it. You`re missing the victim, and the total stupidity of sympathizing with anyone who thinks there is a way to `ask` for anything implicitly without language. We are not mind-readers, and people are not objects. Those who are that sexually deviant shouldn`t be allowed to reproduce, or something.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:14 am
    These `dangerous situations` shouldn`t exist, and are the product of our culture. If we didn`t promote it with implicit permission, then it wouldn`t be seen as implicit language of `rape me`. People can read between the lines, but what lines are we giving them to read in the first place? Rules are meant to be broken so long as it`s possible, and morally we permit men to do it so long as they

    A) Don`t get caught
    B) Are in a place where it is acceptable
    C) She is ashamed to tell anyone

    This is fun, amirite? I am a strong believer that we`re socially programmed, and some of us have intrinsic behaviors that are fairly `wrong` and can be seen nearly immediately if we had a uniform culture that didn`t promote this kind of crap. They would be seen, identified, and hopefully rehabilitated into expressing themselves in a way that is healthy. Or something else.
  36. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:18 am

    "Isn`t one of the purposes of government, and our schools is to develop a class of people who are good natured, honest, kind, caring, and most importantly compassionate/ empathetic?"
    No, that would be a parent`s job. Schools are there to teach reading and math.
  37. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:25 am
    Individuals aren`t very good at raising individuals anyway--it takes a village to raise a child. Clearly you`re oblivious to the fact that kids at that age spend most of their time at, or thinking about school until they are 18. They rebel against their parents because they usually don`t relate, and they are hormonal, and because they are in a learning process that affects the rest of their decisions for the rest of their lives, and some kids end up killing themselves because of bullying, and being slut-shamed, or harassed over being gay. Are you denying that this happens? And if parents are at fault here--why aren`t we doing something about the `parents` that are raising monsters? Or we could take the easy route, and just get our schools to start teaching philosophy and morals at a young age instead of assuming they`ll be figured out at some point. People often don`t think, and most don`t even have a little voice in their head saying a damn thing.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:28 am
    Gerry, you must be a troll. You must be forgetting that a mother can still love a son who murders someone. If all parents were the arbiters of justice we`d have rapists on the streets everywhere. It`s up to our society as a collective to deal out justice when it`s appropriate. It`s not up to mommy and daddy. It`s only up to the courts.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    January 13, 2013 at 7:56 am
    Gerry,

    `Schools are there to teach reading and math.`

    No. If a school is aware that among its student body rape is seen as a joke, queer-bashing as high jinks and the disabled as fair game then that school would be grossly negligent if it did not address that.

    Schools exist to teach and part of teaching is creating and maintaining a place where people feel safe and able to learn. If you have an ethos where being on a sports team means that a few rapes should be winked at then you have a messed up school. And a messed up society.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 8:27 am

    No, not trolling. I just don`t think the schools can replace parenting. Schools can`t make a bad kid good. That does not mean I think schools should be places where bullies run free. I don`t understand why people blame the coach and not all the other teachers as well. Why is the coach more responsible than the kids counselor or home room teacher?

    Teaching morality is the business of parents, not the Gov`ment.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 8:28 am
    madduck-"you need to look at what you just said- a more moderate version of the argument for rape "

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. NOTHING I said, in any way, argue for rape or for blaming the victim.

    I personally think that any violent rapist should automatically recieve the death penalty. He`s proven he doesn`t belong in society.

    But, just as the threat of penalty does not deter murderers, it will not deter all rapist.

    I believe a woman should be able to dress (or undress) anywhere, any how she likes, and not be harrassed.

    There are those who don`t care what I, or the woman, believe.

    You`re dealing with what `should` be, I teach my daughter reality.

    But, because facing reality does not mesh with your ideal of how it `should` be, you prefer to claim I`m `blaming the victim`.

    I, on the other hand, will blame the aggressor, and instruct my daughter on the best ways not to become a victim
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 8:55 am
    This isn`t `Steubenville Rape Culture`, That is Hollywood and TV `Rape Culture`. Blame the coaches and parents for letting their kids watch those movies and videos, and listening to the pop culture lyrics, and likely pornography as well. But who is selling that crap? Who is making Billions of dollars off implanting this disgusting sh|t into their minds? Hollywood and TV media moguls are the pimps to these atrocities and it`s time that they be held accountable.

    If rape victims were allowed to sue the TV, Film, and Record industries for the subornation of rape, murder and molestation, they would quit making that smut and we`d get a better society for it.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 8:58 am
    The difference here is this crackrjack: movies/media is often called `fake` or `fantasy`. Real life circumstances trump what our normal morals might tell us. In some places it is perfectly all right to make fun of someone for having a disability, and is frequently encouraged by other students, and ignored by teachers. I`ve seen it firsthand. I imagine things could be more insidious, or more friendly, but it starts with education, and controlling behavior through some sort of modeling. If kids think that movies are real, then we`re screwed.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:24 am

    "Steubenville rape culture" aren`t we getting a bit carried away here? Some kids got drunk and committed a crime. That`s hardly a "culture".

    As for Hollywood, I`m not aware of any movies that make rape an okay thing to do.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:24 am
    so- India? Egypt? Pakistan? The one thing all these countries have in common is an entrenched view that women (or those with other genders- the Q T end of things) exist as things to serve men. This guy makes a decent and valid point...McGrendel- again- what you did was say you would try to keep your daughter safe by education as to things SHE should do. Do you tell her not to drive or go near roads in case a drunk driver is about? No- we tell our kids to never drink and drive, not to get in the car with someone who has been drinking etc.. that drinking and driving is something that THEY should never do. Honestly- it sounds sensible- all that advice we give to girls- but every time we give that advice we are also telling her that IF she gets assaulted then at some level she is to blame- wrong place, wrong time, wrong clothes.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Don`t yah just love extremist mentalities.
  47. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 9:58 am
    The only people who will understand what I am saying are people who have been raped/know someone who has, or can truly sympathize with the victims of spiritual murder. It`s not to be taken lightly. I never met a girl who was the `same` after being raped.
  48. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:01 am
    Don`t you love being a rape apologist? You`ve never even seen a bad day in your life probably and you`re going to act like your little soap bubble is a microcosm of reality. I`ve seen some pretty awful crap happen to girls just because someone wanted a thrill that night and she happened to be in a vulnerable position.

    Men get raped too--and we don`t ask them what they were wearing, or if their ass crack was hanging out or something. It`s absurd. Rape is wrong. Nothing will prevent it from happening beside our society weeding them out, and not teaching this stuff as part of normality.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:21 am
    madduck-"you tell her not to drive or go near roads in case a drunk driver is about?"

    No, but I do tell how to stay safe in case there are drunks on the road. Wear a seatbelt. Always be aware of your surroundings.

    When it`s dark and you`re on a multi-lane highway, ALWAY stay in the right lane as much as possible. Virtually every Head on collision by a drunk driver on the interstate is in the left lane, because the drunk driver THINKS he`s in HIS right lane.

    madduck-"but every time we give that advice we are also telling her that IF she gets assaulted then at some level she is to blame."

    Okay, besides having zero reading comprehension skills, you`re an idiot to boot.

    Good to know for future reference.

    Based on your `logic`, I should not teach my daughter to swim, so that when she drowns she will not feel it`s her fault.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:21 am
    There are steps people can take to reduce the chances of being raped, we all (most of us at any rate) agree that rape is wrong but it`s a reality and won`t go away. The next best thing is to make sure you reduce the chances of becoming a victim.
  51. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Swimming is a choice. Does no one seem to understand that rape is very hard to draw an analogy to? Here is a good analogy for rape:

    It`s like you see everyone as a sandwich and you just so happen to be hungry. It`s no problem to eat a sandwich when you`re hungry. But if you replace sandwich with woman, and hungry with wanting to rape, then you see how the analogy works.

    But it doesn`t because a woman isn`t a fuc*ing sandwich.

    Tell your daughter how to swim so she won`t drown because she`ll CHOOSE TO GO INTO WATER.

    But telling your daughter not to walk alone at night, and all this other crap is just telling of the bastards that live in our world--not of what to really do to protect yourself: owning a gun, or having ridiculous martial arts skills. What do women really have to do to avoid rape? Stop the rape culture all together. It`s ubiquitous for a reason!
  52. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:34 am
    " agree that rape is wrong but it`s a reality and won`t go away."

    Why? Why is it a reality that `won`t go away`? Are you saying this is normal? Because it really SOUNDS like it. It can go away. There is a way to fix any problem. People said that blacks will never vote, and women won`t, and indians, and etc. You can`t say that things won`t happen, or should until you really actually make an effort at it. If this is the way our species is--then I don`t want to be a part of the human race. We`re disgusting and deserve anything bad that happens to us. We can`t even prevent raping our own.
  53. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:56 am
    SPrinkZ-"It can go away."

    Tell us your solution, numbnuts.

    SPrinkZ-"There is a way to fix any problem."

    If you belileve that, you`re more ignorant than you`ve been leading on to.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 13, 2013 at 10:57 am
    SPrinkZ-"Stop the rape culture all together."

    Okay, besides laws, prison sentences, the death sentence (my personal preference), what do you plan to do to stop `the rape culture`.

    While you`re at it, tell us what you do to stop the `murder culture`, the `mugger culture`, the `burgler culture` and every other `culture` that has been part of the human condition since Og, Oop & Leroy raided neighboring villages to pull Ayla, Oga and Blondie by their hair back to their caves?

    The REALITY is that there are asswipes amongst us. Always have been, always will be.

    Failing to teach your children how to prepare themselves for that because it might hurt their little feelings is ignorant at best, and criminally negligent at the worst.
  55. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:00 am
    We can`t fly...wrong...
    We can`t go to the moon...wrong...
    We can`t exceed the sound barrier...wrong...
    We can`t stop men from raping and killing each other...also COMPLETELY WRONG.

    If you examined the lives of most rapists/murderers you`d find that most are forged inside of a bad situation/bad home. Only some of them are just predisposed to being downright evil.

    I would warn my children with the disclaimer that these people don`t need to exist forever. Just giving rape a hand waive because it`s been around forever doesn`t mean sh*t to me.

    Not every thief is a thief because they want more more more. Some just want to eat food, and not die. Circumstances dictate a lot of things, but rape is never acceptable unless it`s to repopulate the earth and we have no way to do that. I think that`s the only circumstance where forcibly donating sperm could be seen as acceptable--but only from a utilitarian point of view, and not from a humanist one.
  56. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 11:02 am
    My first plan to stop it is to do this: teach boys to kick the crap out of any guy you see raping a girl. Since the incentive to rape is now lessened severly I`d like to see how many rapists we have. Imagine if every boy in that room turned and beat the living hell out of that boy and helped her to safety instead of laughing about it. Different story, right?

    We need to stop punishing people who come home to their son/daughter being raped who take it upon themselves to deliver some real justice. People who rape take a risk of dying since they are giving the other person a risk of their STDs and a risk of impregnating them. I feel the risks should be as such--if you rape you die. Period.
  57. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 11:04 am
    But I guess you`re going to say I am being crazy. But, why should a little girl have her entire soul destroyed so a man can get a little sexual gratification for a little while? She`s ruined. She`ll never look at men, or life the same. She may never even love a man, and may become gay because of it.

    What do we do about that? He killed something and gets away with 2-3 years, or maybe never gets caught at all. I say we put a bullet in him, but that`s just me. You risk creating new life at the expense of another, then you should also be able to risk dying. I see no difference between a burglar getting shot in the face and a rapist getting shot in the face. You invaded something personal and you were punished.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 11:05 am
    The real problem is this: we have a bystander culture. People too often will walk past someone dying just because they have to get to work on time. The saddest thing is that this seriously happens.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 11:24 am
    SPrinkZ-"kick the crap out of any guy you see raping a girl"

    Okay, you didn`t prevent that rape. Try again.

    SPrinkZ-"you`re going to say I am being crazy"

    Nope, just ignorant.

    SPrinkZ-"But, why should a little girl have her entire soul destroyed so a man can get a little sexual gratification for a little while?SPrinkZ-"

    She shouldn`t. That doesn`t stop it from occuring, either.

    SPrinkZ-"I say we put a bullet in him, but that`s just me."

    I agree, but you still did not stop the rape. Nor (if you listen to liberal arguments on capital punishment) are you deterring future rapists.

    How do you stop a rape from occuring? Are YOU going to say, `He will be a rapist. Kill Him.`
  60. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    How do we stop it? Isn`t it easy to see who is going to do it, and who isn`t? Watch the way they talk about girls, and people. If they talk about girls like they do pets and objects...well...then what are we going to do?

    By the way, my theory is that it`s endemic to our species because it`s a highly adaptive trait. By purging their right to reproduce through castration or something like that we may ween ourselves off of this crap once and for all. Most rapists don`t even know they are raping. Some have full knowledge of what they are doing and doing it anyway--those type are in it for the control/taboo aspect. That is the generic criminal. The rapist is another animal all together: he`s enticed by weakness/innocence. We have a lolita culture. Trust me. You haven`t been around enough or seen enough if you think we aren`t making this EASY to do.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    We have a psychopathy test--why not a rapist test? Just never release the method and find a good way to identify possible rapists/unempathetic people. You have to be fairly cruel to keep penetrating someone who is crying for their mother and begging for you to stop. I don`t think it can be that hard to find `most` rapists.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    SPrinkZ-"Isn`t it easy to see who is going to do it, and who isn`t?"

    No, it`s not. That you think it does further demonstrates your ignorance.

    SPrinkZ-"We have a psychopathy test--why not a rapist test?"

    First, such a test (to my knowledge) does not exist. Feel freeo to develop one. But it must be 100% accurate (even the Hare Psychopathy Test is ambiguous at best).

    Anything less than 100% accurate will mean either it`s meaningless, or you will be treading on the rights and freedoms of innocent people.

    SPrinkZ-"I don`t think it can be that hard to find `most` rapists."

    It woud appear you don`t think, at all.

    Are you planning on such testing for 100% of the Population? What else do you want to test for? Lying? Murder? Cheating on Math Tests?

    You want to find a rapist? Look in the mirror, that`s the only one you can be 90% sure of one way or the other.
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    Wayoldman Male 50-59
    72 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    He missed one fact or left it out for a reason. Seems one of the boys on the team and accused of the rape, mother is the local prosecuting attorney and she is the reason the sheriff isn`t investigating it.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    "Swimming is a choice. Does no one seem to understand that rape is very hard to draw an analogy to? Here is a good analogy for rape: "

    but you can manage it?

    btw...on the subject of reducing your risk and you saying that`s not the point... my girlfriend disagrees and says you are wrong. Just her opinion that.. but as you said, she should know a bit better than you seeing as she`s one who has been unlucky enough - did it change her? of course it did... and one of the ways it changed her was to be careful - doesn`t matter if we all agree rape is horrible, we do... just that some of us think it`s also wise to reduce your risk factors - she reduced hers in many ways - like leaving home at 16 away from the person who`d done it.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    she has also reminded me of another similar circumstance... we had a stalker for a while, an ex girlfriend of mine who was a total drating nutter. In the end after going through the police, we did several things roughly in this order changed our mobile phone numbers, changed home phone number, i changed jobs, we then moved house to a different county.

    we were at risk and we reduced it... if you get nasty threatening messages on your mobile off an ex would you not think of changing the number? Thousands change their number every day for similar reasons, we`re not the only ones.

    bad things happen... no, they`re not right..no it`s not fair... yes, it`s the fault of the perp. but you do what you can to reduce the risk of it happening to you - if you are sensible that is.
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm
    Lol no one actually reads RooshV
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    bedbugsbite Female 18-29
    41 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    I agree that we need to teach our sons to respect women rather than telling our daughters to live their lives based on the fear that a man may sexually assault her if she wears certain clothing, goes certain places, or behaves in a certain manner. We need to step away from blaming the victims of sexual abuse and hope to raise a generation of men who respect both men and women. Women should not have to tip-toe through life in order to `reduce her risk` of being assaulted.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    bedbugsbite-"step away from blaming the victims of sexual abuse"

    Teaching your daughters how to be carefull is NOT `blaming the victims`.

    bedbugsbite-" raise a generation of men who respect both men and women."

    While you`re at it, solve world hunger, give peace a chance, coexist, and make every day a rainbow and give everyone a unicorn.

    The world for which you wish is not attainable.

    bedbugsbite-"Women should not have to tip-toe through life in order to `reduce her risk` of being assaulted"

    You`re right. No one`s dissagreeing with you. They SHOULD not have to.

    The REALITY (and we have to deal with reality) is that both MEN & WOMEN do.

    A person SHOULD be able to stand in the middle of a Klan Rally with Black Panther t-shirt on, or conversly stand in a Black Panther gathering with a White Power t-shirt on, and not be harrassed.

    The REALITY is that neither is exactly a good
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36662 posts
    January 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm


    bedbugsbite, "Women should not have to tip-toe through life in order to `reduce her risk` of being assaulted"
    Why not? I`m a man and I have to tip-toe.
    There are some dangerous parts of town I "tip-toe" around.
    There are loud mouth, aggressive drunks looking for a fight that I "tip-toe" around.
    There ARE dangers in life and wishful thinking that you shouldn`t have to be cautious is just asking to be a victim.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7559 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 12:15 am
    I think a lot of you are missing the point. The `apology for rape` is encoded in our language. calling a woman a pretty little thing demeans her, calling gay men fairies demeans them- subtle- very subtle. Put a longer skirt on, wear less make up- you will give men the wrong idea comes under the same banner. Don`t walk there is the same thing- the implication is that `bad men` have possession of an area and because they `own` it we should avoid it. This implies they have some kind of right to do that- if an area is dangerous then every decent human should make a point of walking there ALL THE TIME- because by speaking in this way you imply that the world is okay with a situation. Things can change- your great grandfathers thought women too feeble minded to vote and that an education could drive then mad..... so they stopped them doing those things ` for their own protection` ....
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:15 am
    There are easy tests for lying. Children have been tested for lying at young ages--children who do lie are found to have higher IQs.

    You really must believe that humans are magic or something. It`s never hard to see in hindsight why a person raped/killed...because no one was ever paying attention in the first place.

    You keep swinging around the word ignorant like it means anything. Your ad hominems are just exposing your lack of thought. Don`t waste my time anymore with your asinine posting and your fantasy views that people are magic or some bullpoo. Rapists are fairly obvious in their language and actions toward women. Some even BRAG about it to other men. What about those guys? They should be ENDED.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:19 am
    @Listypoos

    No offense, but she`s letting an imaginary figure control her habits of moving around in the world now because ONE DAY. A PARTICULAR INCIDENT lead her to believe that from now on she has to `protect` herself. But that just makes her look/feel stupid. If we get robbed we get justice. If we get beat up, we get justice. If we get raped, we just get raped forever. What the f*ck?

    If you knew who ruined her heart like that, what would you do? Just tell her to keep making sure she can get a ride home, and always needs a body-guard?? Seriously? Why not kill the bastards who do this in the first place. Lock them up. Throw away the key. None of them deserve to be here. I don`t want to see more girls f*cked up from someone`s penis, or even a woman who wants to force sex on others. F*ck them too. It`s an ancient and very special pathway that often gets corrupted by downright evil people.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:20 am
    @Listpoos

    You sound like a big...ugh. You sound pathetic. No offense. If someone was stalking my GF, I`d probably go handle the person myself. That`s me. I don`t care about jail time. Don`t threaten who I love. In real life cops come to CLEAN UP MESSES--not stop them. I learned that young enough.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:21 am
    I really mean no offense when I say it too. You just sound like you`re trying to `get by` in life. Instead of being an actual participant in life you just let it all roll by...your GF`s rape...her stalker...etc. Just let society fix it, or not. That is just deplorable in my eyes, but I come from a different place.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:23 am
    "The world for which you wish is not attainable."

    Says the almighty keyboard warrior. What is the point of being here if we are not striving toward a society that can leave its doors open, and children can play with one another without prejudice or fear?

    If we can never build that world--then I invite our mutual destruction. We never deserved a place on this earth if we cannot assure our mutual compassion.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:27 am
    Grendel:

    Men walk home hammered every night and don`t get raped. Women seem to be the target in that scenario. How would you like if people told you that you can never run in public (black people)? Or that you can never wear something racy at night (women)? It seems like white men have so many privleges that they forget they are the ones dealing out most of these punishing realities in the first place. Men rape women--and seldomly women rape men. Men raping women is so damn common across the globe for a reason. Like I said earlier it is a highly survivable and adaptable trait given that it`s a way to hijack someone`s genes without courting them or earning their trust. It makes sense to rape from an evolutionary perspective the same way it makes sense to be individualistic in certain cultures as well.

    We need to get to the root cause of it. It doesn`t have to exist. Rape is not necessary for this world. If you disagree, then tell me why.
  77. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:29 am
    Madduck makes the most points...but no MAN is going to agree with her. Rape happens. Gotta avoid it. That`s how the world is.

    Just soooo stupid. Just...so obtuse, and myopic that it depresses me to share a penis with you morons. You screw up our world more often than not and then blame the victim for it. It`s disgusting.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:34 am
    Black Panters/KKK are highly volatile, and violent philosophies. They have no purpose in our society since we don`t permit individuals to go on a racial cleansings (anymore). Given that we don`t do that anymore they are a relic of our past. We still have deeply sexist people in America today that still view women as objects. Those ideas need to die as much as those people.

    Stop drawing analogies that literally make no sense. Your analogy really sounds like this:

    A woman standing in the middle of a group of class 3 sex offenders should be okay. Like, seriously? The problem is this: Why do these ideologies and beliefs even exist in the first place? You`re basically asking for a piranha to not eat meat. These people really do not see women as people--at all. If they did, they would not hurt them. It`s very hard/impossible to hurt others if you have empathy.

    I think our main problem is a lack of empathy today. It`s something that has to be learned.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:38 am
    Grendel

    You`re just an old fart. I`m glad you`ll be dead long before I am so maybe someone with half a brain can do something about this world rather than sitting on our hands. Not too long ago women who were raped had to bear the children of that rape. Men vehemently fight against a woman`s right to conceive a child on her own terms because men want to rape women whenever they please, and sire children with whomever they please. It`s a very simple reproductive strategy that bleeds into our politics and our daily lives. Believing otherwise is rather stupid, because the implicit language states it--you can say God wanted this baby, or Shiskanu, or Thor, or whoever--but it`s really a man`s wanton urges that lead him there, and it`s really his penis that made that situation happen.

    If you weren`t so damn old, and so grossly uneducated maybe you`d find that relevant.
  80. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 3:45 am
    My main issue is this: we have a problem in the world and we just don`t even TRY to fix it. It`s just our complacency to it that is the problem. If we were more vigilant about things we`d probably solve a lot of problems. Most rapists are VERY obvious--trust me. I can almost always see them from a mile away. They disrespect girls....talk about them like they are `chicks` `babes` whatever. Just nothing about their language indicates a humanness to women. In fact, I`ve had men flat out declare we`re the better sex and deserve to do whatever we want with women. I`ve had men tell me that to my FACE with some clever prying and goading. Men can be revealed to be poo in an instant if you just act like you`d drat a girl up too.

    Try it. You`ll be surprised.
  81. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 4:19 am
    Honestly--these one-liners and quips I get out of men just reveal they`d walk past a rape too. If you can solve everything with a sentence, or handwaive if with a sentence I should say, then what is stopping you from being complacent with rape in the first place?

    People need to be f*cking mad. People need to be outraged sometimes. If we just keep acting like society is going to clean things up, or that we can really PREVENT these things by AVOIDING certain areas then you`re ignorant. Not me.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7559 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 5:02 am
    Thank you- I am pleased someone sees what I am aiming at. It is all too easy to fail to see how our culture and our language enables certain things to continue- even when we dislike them. Obviously most men are decent human beings, but everybody needs to be aware. Just as by tolerating homophobic or racist language in others permits them to feel comfortable with unacceptable attitudes.... Remember- most rapes are committed by someone a woman ( or man) felt comfortable with- a co-worker, a family member, a date. That is when the idea that `she did something` REALLY comes into play. Just like this poor girl- she got drunk ( inexperienced and too young to know her limits) so she is somehow culpable. All young men should have put her on a bed, under a blanket, in recovery and kept and eye on her..... automatically.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 5:10 am
    "No offense, but she`s letting an imaginary figure control her habits of moving around in the world now because ONE DAY. A PARTICULAR INCIDENT lead her to believe that from now on she has to `protect` herself. But that just makes her look/feel stupid.

    If you knew who ruined her heart like that, what would you do? Just tell her to keep making sure she can get a ride home, and always needs a body-guard?? Seriously? Why not kill the bastards who do this in the first place.

    So you know more about this than her? ah... ok.


    As for your last comment... I do know who did it. Does she want me to do anything violent to them like your suggestion of killing them? Do you no think she`s experienced at least one too many violent guys in her life already without me going acting that way too? You seem to think you know a lot about this, you demonstrate nothing of the sort
  84. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 5:47 am
    madduck-"calling a woman a pretty little thing demeans her, calling gay men fairies demeans them"

    The term `demeans` is so much bull. EVERYONE gets demeaned at some time.

    People are not nice. Someone`s always going to insult you. Someone`s always going to demean you. Someone`s going to get in your face and say `You`re [email protected]`.

    You deal with it.

    SPrinkZ-"You keep swinging around the word ignorant like it means anything."

    I`ve only swung it at you, and it does mean something: that you know absolutely NO facts about which you speak (that is, after all, the definition of ignorant). All you have is your `feelings` of how it `should` be.

    SPrinkZ-"your fantasy views that people are magic"

    At what point did I ever state such rubbish?
  85. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 5:53 am
    SPrinkZ-"What is the point of being here if we are not striving toward a society that can leave its doors open, and children can play with one another without prejudice or fear?"

    Hey, I strive for that every day. I try to make the world better any way I can.

    I`m just not under the delusion that utopia is attainable. Because no matter how much I would want it, there are many others who think differently. That think what`s yours should be theirs, and that women are objects and laws are to be ignored.

    SPrinkZ-"We never deserved a place on this earth if we cannot assure our mutual compassion."

    Continue to demonstrate your ignorance. You don`t `deserve` anything. `Mutual compassion` is not something every individual wants. All of your Kumbaya thinking will not change that.
  86. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 5:57 am
    SPrinkZ-"Men walk home hammered every night and don`t get raped."

    And men who are hammered are subject to just as many dangers as women who are hammered. If you get hammered, you`re an idiot.

    SPrinkZ-"It seems like white men have so many privleges"

    Ah, the Race Card. You lose.

    SPrinkZ-"We need to get to the root cause of it."

    Root cause: Many people in this world are asswipes. There are cruel people out there. Not to prepare your children for that because YOU don`t `feel` it should be so is negligent.

    SPrinkZ-"Rape is not necessary for this world."

    Neither is murder, robbery, battery, car theft, speeding and the in-field fly rule. What`s your point?

    Just because something is unnecessary, or cruel, or inhumane, does not mean that it will not happen.
  87. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:07 am
    SPrinkZ-"You`re just an old fart."

    Said the young, ignorant fool.

    SPrinkZ-"rather than sitting on our hands."

    What gave you the idea that I sit on my hands? I`m sure YOUR idea of `helping` is posting a pink ribbon on your Facebook page in hopes that you`ll get a thousand `Likes` so you can `feel` you have done something.

    How many playgrounds have you built? How many wheelchair ramps? How many houses have you helped rebuild after a natural disaster? How many school choirs have you built props and equipment for? How many handicapped children have you made smile? How many repairs have you made on an elderly`s home?

    You want to compare records? I`ve done the above in spades.

    SPrinkZ-"I can almost always see them from a mile away."

    Yeah, you look at their picture in the paper after the fact and say `I KNEW he was a rapist.`.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:15 am
    I`d have to agree with @MeGrendel on this one. However I`d also like to point out something that no one here has mentioned, and that`s that none of the bystanders said anything. THAT`S one of the most appalling things in this, imo. But there`s nothing wrong with being realistic and saying that these dangers exist, and if you want to avoid them you have to take the proper precautions. Now iirc, this girl is from a different town, and after getting pass-out drunk at one party, they dragged her to two more, and did things like pee on her then post it on twitter. It`s not easy to get teenagers to be responsible, but I`m still amazed that no one at any of these parties stood up for this girl.
  89. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:19 am
    "As for your last comment... I do know who did it. Does she want me to do anything violent to them like your suggestion of killing them? Do you no think she`s experienced at least one too many violent guys in her life already without me going acting that way too? You seem to think you know a lot about this, you demonstrate nothing of the sort."

    What do you suggest? If he invades your life over and over again, and keeps stalking you. Do you really think someone highly determined to screw your life up is going to really be stopped by cops? These kind of deviants don`t belong in the outside world at all. Rehabilitation is supposed to be the point of jail/prison. It`s not just a place to hold you until you can go back to the same old crap. You`re supposed to learn something, but we create a criminal culture as well. There is a reason why people who go to prison keep going back. It eventually becomes all they know or respect. That`s sick. But a consequence of the way we s
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:22 am
    cont. of the way we set things up.
  91. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:27 am
    "The term `demeans` is so much bull. EVERYONE gets demeaned at some time.

    People are not nice. Someone`s always going to insult you. Someone`s always going to demean you. Someone`s going to get in your face and say `You`re [email protected]`.

    You deal with it."

    This is the `hand waive` I keep talking about. No, not everyone gets demeaned. White males are impervious to being demeaned. And in her context it means to devalue something. Women do not like being referred to as objects since women don`t even THINK in that frame of reference usually. Men often think of things in terms of parts/functions. Women have a different brain, and demand a different type of language to appropriate their own meaning to themselves. They merely want to be participants in our culture rather than servants/slaves/sexual objects/etc. They want the total freedom that men often enjoy.
  92. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:31 am
    "Hey, I strive for that every day. I try to make the world better any way I can.

    I`m just not under the delusion that utopia is attainable. Because no matter how much I would want it, there are many others who think differently. That think what`s yours should be theirs, and that women are objects and laws are to be ignored."

    Utopia isn`t a conceivable thing because it`s an abstract concept to begin with. There are systems that would lead to a nearly perfect society. It probably would include not letting extremely dangerous individuals reproduce. I think that nature has a lot to do with a lot of our problems. Nurture can mold wet clay, but has a hard time working with different materials. Some brains are just not setup to be rewarded in the conventional ways we think they ought to be. That is where almost all of the problems come from. Some people really like to hurt others. It gives them the same satisfaction as you get eating ice cream, or playing ball with
  93. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:39 am
    SPrinkZ-"White males are impervious to being demeaned."

    Do you ENJOY demonstrating your ignorance? (no, wait, that one passed `ignorance` straight to `stuck on stupid`.)

    SPrinkZ-"There are systems that would lead to a nearly perfect society."

    And every single one of them is theoretical with no basis in reality.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:40 am
    "Continue to demonstrate your ignorance. You don`t `deserve` anything. `Mutual compassion` is not something every individual wants. All of your Kumbaya thinking will not change that. "

    Enough handwave. And stop using the word ignorance like you really know when it`s applicable. I am clearly the antithesis of an ignoramus and you keep espousing your brand of apathy like it`s meaningful.

    If the individuals don`t want people to care about them, and to care about others, then why do we want them in our society? They clearly just want to harm others. Unless they merely want to be left alone--which is fine. But people who merely want to be left alone so they can plot murders/bank robberies...etc...they need to go.
  95. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:42 am
    "Men walk home hammered every night and don`t get raped."

    And men who are hammered are subject to just as many dangers as women who are hammered. If you get hammered, you`re an idiot."

    How many men get raped walking home versus women? If you can find that figure to be equal than I`d argue you`re right. Until that point...keep demonstrating YOUR ignorance.

    "Ah, the Race Card. You lose."

    Pointing out a clear fact is not the racecard. Jews are more often doctors/lawyers than other races. Native Americans go to war more than any race in this Nation. African Americans are arrested at a rate higher than any minority. Latinos in America are often of illegal origin. Etc.

    These are not racecards--these are facts. It`s important to separate the two and stop doing your 5 year old...handwave...again.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    January 14, 2013 at 6:45 am
    "Neither is murder, robbery, battery, car theft, speeding and the in-field fly rule. What`s your point?

    Just because something is unnecessary, or cruel, or inhumane, does not mean that it will not happen."

    Your same argument applies to an altered reality where these things can never happen. It`s possible to make these things stop happening by not having cars, or not having planes, etc. But that`s not practical--I am asking what is the practical solution?

    Well...we could just take humans out of the equation for driving--what if cars worked like bus routes and would drive themselves to your destination? Google is already working on that--that ends all the ridiculous accidents and traffic congestion in one shot.

    See...there are solutions! Too bad you can`t imagine any of them, which is a consequence of old.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:47 am
    "What gave you the idea that I sit on my hands? I`m sure YOUR idea of `helping` is posting a pink ribbon on your Facebook page in hopes that you`ll get a thousand `Likes` so you can `feel` you have done something.

    How many playgrounds have you built? How many wheelchair ramps? How many houses have you helped rebuild after a natural disaster? How many school choirs have you built props and equipment for? How many handicapped children have you made smile? How many repairs have you made on an elderly`s home?

    You want to compare records? I`ve done the above in spades. "

    I`ve done work at the special olympics. I`ve raised money for schools. Read to children...built multiple gyms for kids all over NY. This isn`t a pissing contest, and I`m half your age. Just shut up. You`re clearly an ignorant old man who thinks he`s lived at all. You`ve seen and done nothing beside rot away behind screens apparently.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:50 am
    "And every single one of them is theoretical with no basis in reality. "

    Theories are actually the highest level of knowledge that we have ever attained. If they are theoretical then that would be good--they are just hypothetical which is a good GUESS as to how they could work. We have no theories on how politics and the human mind works--yet.

    "Do you ENJOY demonstrating your ignorance? (no, wait, that one passed `ignorance` straight to `stuck on stupid`.)"

    Here`s a good example:

    My boss was white. Anglosaxon. Irish. Loved beer. Did floors. His hands were calloused like his personality. He told me once that he doesn`t feel bad that black people were enslaved because `all people` have been enslaved. That`s the same kind of attitude that gets you there in the first place. But he`s a great example of `impossible to demean`. Being white is a badge of honor like being a psychopath is a badge of honor to criminals. It`s like you have th
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:55 am
    cont. the high score.

    But honestly I don`t think we can have a meaningful discussion because you "know how the world is" and contrary points of view are "ignorant". Good luck with that. It will get you where YOU need to be--but for the rest of us we need another plan than what you offer. Which is warn your daughter, and when she gets raped by her `date` and not that man in the alley she can feel really stupid because you didn`t warn her about that.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:58 am
    "However I`d also like to point out something that no one here has mentioned, and that`s that none of the bystanders said anything. THAT`S one of the most appalling things in this, imo."

    You`re a fascinating individual. You`re amazed no one said anything. You`re not shocked...you`re just amazed--you`re amazed that no one said anything, but not that no one did nothing. I think saying means nothing. I can say I am rapist, but until I actually rape what am I? Nothing.

    Who cares about what they said or didn`t say. No one did anything. I could have been screaming "I AM GONNA SO RAPE THIS GIRL`S PUSSY!" As I was bludgeoning them all to death. Words are meaningless. Watch their actions.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:01 am
    "All young men should have put her on a bed, under a blanket, in recovery and kept and eye on her..... automatically."

    That should be a man`s natural reaction. To protect someone. Not to allow them to be used/hurt. Doesn`t any one of them have a sister...a mother...a niece? Doesn`t any one of those boys care about women at all?

    No.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:08 am
    You`re a fascinating individual. You`re amazed no one said anything. You`re not shocked...you`re just amazed--you`re amazed that no one said anything, but not that no one did nothing. I think saying means nothing. I can say I am rapist, but until I actually rape what am I? Nothing.
    Amazed by words yet again I suppose. Since you seem to be an expert I`ll just have to rely on you to tell me which situations I should be amazed at and which ones escalate to the point of being "shocked" as if that platitude is somehow more meaningful than the word I used. Saying, in this context, IS doing. If all you are going to do is take every sentence I write as literally as possible then you`re missing the point.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:11 am
    @SprinkZ

    You`re a fascinating individual. You`re amazed no one said anything. You`re not shocked...you`re just amazed--you`re amazed that no one said anything, but not that no one did nothing
    It is very reasonable to assume that @patchgrabber`s amazement extends from saying nothing to doing nothing as well. Additionally, he clearly states that this demostrated lack of concern is appalling to him. Therefore, to attempt to differentiate his statements in terms of `amazed` and `shock` seems rather petty and pointless.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:16 am
    You`re missing the point. Stop acting like you even know what you`re talking about. A platitude is a saying that has lost its meaning through repetition or being trite. Being shocked is qualitatively different from amazement. Amazement is rather positive. Shocked is usually a term of disgust.

    I`ve rarely heard that a rape was amazing--but I have heard it was shocking. If you don`t know the difference between the two then what words would you even conjure up to spare this poor girl the embarrassment of being pissed on and fingered in front of all her classmates? I wonder...or you could beat the hell out of them, or physically remove the girl from the situation...stuff like that.

    Someone could have said "Hey that`s wrong." And no one would have stopped. It takes a group of people to stop one person`s actions. You keep forgetting that.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:17 am
    McGrendel- yes of course people will be rude and offensive. but when everybody does it all the time without even thinking it is wrong we have a problem.no one thinks for a second that the world is sparkles and rainbows. But we are educated people in 1st world countries and we need to strive at all times for social equality and justice. That means acknowledging and eliminating institutional injustice. That requires us to notice when casual references to wrongs enforce them. I grew up in the 70`s- it was NORMAL for men to pat womens bottoms- any woman from 15 to 35 ( after that you were old) - and to object met with howls of disdain and accusations of being a frigid lesbo... would you do that now and think it okay??? I bloody hope not. The reason that kind of casual sexist assault ended is because we realised what was wrong with it and stopped it. The reason no one said anything Patch is that we still normalise certain behaviour- every day, in our language, our behaviour and we ALL nee
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:19 am
    If amazed and shocked were the same word I`d say sure. We certainly don`t sing shocking grace. We sing amazing grace.

    Big difference. Use language properly or stop using it all together because you`re a testament to stupidity when someone with a powerful command of the language reads it and sees that you either do know what you mean and meant it and it looks stupid, or you`re grossly negligent and belie your intentions with bad diction.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:20 am
    SPrinkZ-"I am clearly the antithesis of an ignoramus"

    Actually, you cleary are the definition of....

    BTW, `Ignorant` is not the same as `ignoramus`.

    `Ignorant` means you do not know something about the subject at hand. (such as, I am ignorant on how to perform brain surgery). While `ignoramus` means ignorant about everything, which I have not stated.

    SPrinkZ-"See...there are solutions!"

    See, I was under the impression you were talking about RATIONAL and WORKABLE solutions, not `not having cars` or `altered reality`.

    Why not work with the reality we have?

    SPrinkZ-"Theories are actually the highest level of knowledge that we have ever attained."

    Add `scientific principle` to your area of ignorance. Theories are a way to determine FACTS, which is the highest level of knowledge. Many theories are wrong, while others may be unsolvable.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:21 am
    I clearly dominated this entire post. I feel like a jackass for that. But, I think I`ve exposed the problem: apathy. Good day, rape apologists--*cough*--gentlemen.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:22 am
    @SprinkZ

    Shocked is usually a term of disgust.

    As is the word appalled, which was also used.

    I`ve rarely heard that a rape was amazing--but I have heard it was shocking
    He never stated that rape was amazing; rather, he stated that the lack of concern expressed by those in a position to affect the outcome was amazing. This is simple sentence structure.

    It takes a group of people to stop one person`s actions. You keep forgetting that
    Speaking and expressing anger is a form of action. Often times, even the expression of a single individual can deter a group. You keep forgetting this.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:22 am
    *** some text eaten*** need to stop and think about it. Do not allow bad behaviour to go unchallenged, women are not fragile little flowers, we are thinking autonomous beings who deserve to be treated with respect and decency. Sure- why not rib the girl- perhaps a marker pen moustache and pile of cans on her head while in recovery and under a blanket- that might actually be amusing and it would teach her to watch her drinking. Thats what happens to most boys when they pass out.. they don`t get someones fingers up their arse on camera.....
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:23 am
    "Actually, you cleary are the definition of....

    BTW, `Ignorant` is not the same as `ignoramus`.

    `Ignorant` means you do not know something about the subject at hand. (such as, I am ignorant on how to perform brain surgery). While `ignoramus` means ignorant about everything, which I have not stated. "

    You`re a typical contrarion; that`s what you are. I have you pegged--but you`re going to realize that calling me ignorant on nearly every conjecture I have made has elucidated that you believe I am an ignoramus. Nothing I have said has remotely be seen as interesting or worthy of value. You`ve demeaned everything I`ve said with a handwave of "ignorance".
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:24 am
    Use language properly or stop using it all together because you`re a testament to stupidity when someone with a powerful command of the language reads it and sees that you either do know what you mean and meant it and it looks stupid, or you`re grossly negligent and belie your intentions with bad diction.
    Did you really just use a run-on sentence while attempting to convey your superior ability within the English language?

    Really?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:24 am
    "Add `scientific principle` to your area of ignorance. Theories are a way to determine FACTS, which is the highest level of knowledge. Many theories are wrong, while others may be unsolvable."

    Theories explain facts. Are you sure you know what you are even talking about? Please leave now.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:25 am
    "Did you really just use a run-on sentence while attempting to convey your superior ability within the English language?

    Really?"

    Is a run on sentence three lines long, or two? I forget.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:28 am
    @SPrinkZ

    Is a run on sentence three lines long, or two? I forget.
    From Merriam-Webster:

    Run-on sentence - a sentence containing two or more clauses not connected by the correct conjunction or punctuation.

    I am all too happy to help, my friend.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:29 am
    That`s wonderful, but I connected all my ideas with coordinating conjunctions. So...what is your point again? Oh wait. You don`t even know what a coordinating conjunction is!
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:31 am
    Pretentious little twits like to prance about like their pedantic nonsense will ever affect me. Get over yourself kid. I am the boss of this entire thread right now. Like, I am Akuma from Streetfighter of I-A-B.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:32 am
    @SPrinkZ

    Theories explain facts. Are you sure you know what you are even talking about? Please leave now.
    Actually, quite the opposite is true. Theories are supported by facts but do not have adequate proof yet to be consider facts. On the other hand, a fact has already been proven and does not need the support of a theory or theories.

    Consider the Theory of Evolution. We support this theory by using the factual evidence we`ve gathered from the past. We would not suggest that Humans and Apes have a common ancestor BECAUSE of the Theory of Evolution. Instead, we state the Humans and Apes share a common ancestor and this supports the Theory of Evolution.

    I am sure that it was an honest mistake.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:33 am
    "*** some text eaten*** need to stop and think about it. Do not allow bad behaviour to go unchallenged, women are not fragile little flowers, we are thinking autonomous beings who deserve to be treated with respect and decency. Sure- why not rib the girl- perhaps a marker pen moustache and pile of cans on her head while in recovery and under a blanket- that might actually be amusing and it would teach her to watch her drinking. Thats what happens to most boys when they pass out.. they don`t get someones fingers up their arse on camera....."

    Holy common sense batman!

    I`m so sorry that no one else thinks like you. Well, beside myself. Women are people guys. Remember that. You`re lucky to even get to drat them. Because they are people just like men! `Cept they get the parts you may want to play with, and if you`re NICE enough you can definitely get to play.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:33 am
    Dear God in bloody heaven. Way to derail a debate LOL....
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:36 am
    Some of us can dig big holes with shovels, do plumbing, throw a punch and fart like hippos.... just think about the subtle, insidious ways that society encourages young people to inform their thinking... then change it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:37 am
    Pretentious little twits like to prance about like their pedantic nonsense will ever affect me.
    Your ability to use a Thesaurus is quite impressive. However, your inability to carry and improve upon an intelligent debate demonstrates your lack of intelligence.

    That`s wonderful, but I connected all my ideas with coordinating conjunctions.
    You believe this to be true; yet, you consider yourself proficient with the English language? A very interesting contradiction.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:39 am
    You`re right about that much. I made a mistake. I can`t believe I said that backwards.

    What I was trying to say was, "scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge."

    That`s from wikipedia but it`s a pretty succinct descriptive of their explanatory power.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:40 am
    Hey buddy...you can`t use a coordinating conjunction after a semi-colon. Please go back to Eng 101.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:41 am
    Damn. I didn`t mean to put that n dash in there. Semicolon*

    But seriously, you really can`t do that. You don`t even know what a run-on sentence even looks like. But, you did explain a scientific theory properly for me.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:42 am
    By the way, when I was 15 I had a vocabulary that most 50 year olds have. I am now ten years older, and I`ve read a lot more. So you can imagine I may have an arsenal that is packed with grandiloquence. But I don`t use bombastic speech to win an argument. I use language as a set of instructions. I hope you can follow them.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:43 am
    Another example which men might recognise. L`Oreal- their whole company is propped up by the phrase `you`re worth it` , worth what FFS- soap? Oh- no- they mean worth being a glamour puss by buying mediocre cosmetics. That`s okay as far as it goes...but it casually embraces the idea that personal worth is tied up to how shiny your hair is. Honestly- as men - do you give a crap? Your woman is clean, pretty and rather nice whether she is covered in goop or not.. you quite fancy a shag whatever. How many of you men have looked at women and wondered whether aliens ate their brain because of this rubbish attitude? It is a sneaky way of getting people to think a certain way- in this instance it is deliberate... but the effect is the same.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:45 am
    "Some of us can dig big holes with shovels, do plumbing, throw a punch and fart like hippos.... just think about the subtle, insidious ways that society encourages young people to inform their thinking... then change it."

    A woman pound for pound is stronger than a man if she trains properly or so I recall. Women can punch just as hard as a man if she`s trained properly--already seen it on fight science. Women have better reflexes, and have better hand eye coordination.

    The screwed up thing is this: if girls probably gave a damn about video games they`d be dominating the entire field. Most women aren`t stupid. But men can be ridiculously stupid, or ridiculously smart. Women tend to be more in the middle. Not too dumb--not too smart. Most men get genetic diseases...not women.

    If you look at things from a practical standpoint men are just here to catalyze an event for reproduction. Look at how dinky our chromosome even is.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:46 am
    @SPrinkZ

    Hey buddy...you can`t use a coordinating conjunction after a semi-colon. Please go back to Eng 101.
    If the word "yet" had been used as a conjuction, then you would be correct; however, it was used to begin a new clause, similarly to "however" in this case. A word is not a conjuction because of its spelling; a word is a conjuction because of its usage.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:47 am
    To argue against the L`Oreal thing...we do have `just for men` commercials where men get their hair dyed, or rogaine commercials. I think all of those things are just bad advertising. But women get it the worst. They get indoctrinated into being pretty and all that nonsense from an extremely young age. I didn`t worry about my mustache until I was 14. Most girls worry about their weight before they are 8. It`s weird.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:49 am
    @SprinkZ

    By the way, when I was 15 I had a vocabulary that most 50 year olds have.
    Vocabularly and reading comprehension are not as closely linked to reasoning and logical thought as you might believe. I assure you, based on the evidence I`ve seen thus far, you are outclassed.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:52 am
    Aight dawg. Whatever you say. Pedantic for the win yet again. You`ve attributed nothing aside from a brief lesson in the intricacies of the English language which most people will gloss over.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:53 am
    Reasoning and logical thought are a system. It`s not even intuitive at all. So, I guess you`re right. I didn`t study up on all my logic and reasoning yet at the university. *yawn*

    You`re just red herring everything you see. Prop up more strawmen and knock em down.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:54 am
    The L`Oreal thing wasn`t actually meant to illustrate sexism per se, but the way a small weasel phrase can influence thinking on such a wide scale.....
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:56 am
    I am the boss of this entire thread right now. Like, I am Akuma from Streetfighter of I-A-B.
    And how exactly will all the other 12-year olds on Xbox Live know that you`ve had intercourse with their mothers if you`re wasting all your time on here spamming the thread? Also:
    amazed(v)- Surprise (someone) greatly; fill with astonishment.

    Therefore my usage of the word was apt, considering how the situation made me feel. Also, as @Humanaction pointed out, nice job ignoring my use of the word "appalled" as well. But I guess it`s more important to brag about one`s orthography than to make any meaningful arguments.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:57 am
    You`re just a poor nerd that weighs 140 pounds anyway. Please go work out and get some sun before you continue your tirade on how one might use a coordinating conjunction or a semicolon. I think what is relevant is how we talk in the first place, and how things get interpreted--not how the system is supposed to be. Because what it really is is what we should be working with. Most people do not care for semicolons, or other odd punctuation like n/m dashes. Given that we all know the difference between words, and what they mean I think that is what was relevant in the first place.

    I just found it annoying that someone can find something like this `amazing` in any dimension. It`s just disgusting. Anything else is not emotionally charged enough for something this degrading.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:58 am
    I don`t play xbox, or have a facebook. So please stop referencing them like they are remotely relevant to me. I spend my time doing other things. I do not care for that social heroin.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:58 am
    Pedantic for the win yet again.
    ...says the guy getting his panties in a twist over my usage of the word "amazed" instead of "shocked."
    *audible sigh*
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:01 am
    Your usage of the word just sucked. Get over it. If people could accept when they are wrong rather than just steamrolling ahead with their bull**** then maybe things would be better off. Whenever I get proven wrong I concede. No hard feelings. I am human. If I was God, I`d smite them from the contradiction, or curse and scream at them. But since I`m not God, and I am highly fallible like the rest of my species then I have to yield when I am wrong--put my ego aside so to speak.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:02 am
    @SPrinkZ

    You`ve attributed nothing aside from a brief lesson in the intricacies of the English language which most people will gloss over.
    I am a bit confused over this statement. Did you mean to use the word contributed rather than attributed?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:04 am
    I wasn`t being pedantic. Pedantic is being ostentatious one`s knowledge (see what I did there? :D). I wasn`t showing anything off. I was trying to say it`s not even the right class of word to describe this. The dictionary definition isn`t even the real definition of the word; it`s always changing from day to day. And amazing is frankly a nice word to say about something. Shocked isn`t--in every circumstance. Try saying that something that you disliked/hated was amazing. It sounds stupid.

    Getting smashed by a car was amazing. Getting hit by a train was amazing. etc. Getting dumped on prom night was amazing or whatever. It`s not amazing. It sucks ***.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:04 am
    Yeah I did. Thanks.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:04 am
    I am typing like a madman right now and I usually have 2-3 thoughts going at once. Sorry if I bumbled up a word or two.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:05 am
    I spend my time doing other things. I do not care for that social heroin.
    How grandiose and enlightened you must be! To think, we mere mortals thought to defy you.

    You`re just a poor nerd that weighs 140 pounds anyway. Please go work out and get some sun before you continue your tirade on how one might use a coordinating conjunction or a semicolon
    Oh please, good sir, enlighten me regarding your weight-lifting; I will be most amused by this.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:06 am
    @Humanaction

    You wanna IM me? You`re just derailing this topic further. If you want to have a real pissing match at my speed then please IM me.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:08 am
    Try saying that something that you disliked/hated was amazing. It sounds stupid.
    While WWII was certainly appalling, that Germany was able to fight a multiple front war against the Allies was nothing short of amazing.

    Too easy.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:08 am
    I am not a weight-lifting champion by any means. But, I`ve been playing sports since I was 10. Weight-lifting especially useful if you are trying to really get huge. I am always concerned with power and stamina. But you`re probably 140 pounds soaking wet about to take a ****.

    I don`t say I don`t use FB or Xbox as if I am better than other people, but I just don`t pick that poison. Talk about an assumption.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:10 am
    "While WWII was certainly appalling, that Germany was able to fight a multiple front war against the Allies was nothing short of amazing.

    Too easy."

    They failed.

    That was too easy. That still doesn`t make sense. It`s disassociated from war entirely. That sentence makes sense--but if you think about the literal sense of what they did then it doesn`t make sense. It`s amazing to be able to send dogs into trenches and kill soldiers. It`s amazing to be able to send men to their deaths? It`s amazing to make men take meth so they can continue dredging on along in the snow until they are defeated in Russia?

    I suppose one could say it`s nothing short of amazing how they were able to eliminate so many people indiscriminately as well.

    You`re disconnected dude. Get off the computer and get some air. Try it with me, baby.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:11 am
    You wanna IM me? You`re just derailing this topic further. If you want to have a real pissing match at my speed then please IM me.
    I would rather keep our discussion on a public forum; in this way, everyone can weigh our arguments.

    Also, I would like to note that speed without accuracy is nothing more than a monkey pounding a keyboard. While it is certainly amusing, it is useless for the discussion.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:13 am
    You`re out-classed entirely in every dimension except a pittance of academia. You`re not even worth a discussion anymore. You just want to prove me wrong and prove yourself right. You have no interest in a meaningful discussion anymore than I have an interest in making rape meaningful, or war meaningful, or any of that stuff meaningful. It`s a disgrace that we kill one another. It`s a disgrace that we rape one another.

    It`s nothing short of amazing that we still have language in our culture that supports it. Gaming culture SUCKS for this reason.

    I hate hearing how so and so raped this one at a game. What? Raped? I`ve started saying sexual assault instead of rape to bring it to their attention how stupid it sounds. People tend to ask questions at least. It`s a start.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:13 am
    Getting smashed by a car was amazing. Getting hit by a train was amazing. etc. Getting dumped on prom night was amazing or whatever. It`s not amazing. It sucks ***.
    So now you presume to put words in my mouth? To refresh your memory, the word was "amazed" not "amazing." You also seem to think I should admit wrong when there was no wrong to be proven. Just because you don`t like the word I used means little, because it was an appropriate word to convey the astonishment I felt. Also, if you don`t want to be accused of playing Xbox, you might want to refrain from video game references.

    The dictionary definition isn`t even the real definition of the word
    Ah, you are a truly remarkable individual to know so much more than those whose job it is to know such things. Perhaps you should write Webster and inform them of their improper definitions.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:14 am
    Humanaction:

    It doesn`t matter who is weighing our discussion. A popular thought was once the earth was flat. This discussion is between me and you. If you`re going to be an intellectual coward and not take off the proverbial gloves and deal with me in a direct manner then don`t waste my time by praying someone shares your prejudice to gain some argumentum ad populum momentum. Give me a break.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:15 am
    I am not a weight-lifting champion by any means.
    Oh this is too funny. You should ask around about me before continuing down this road. Perhaps someone here can enlighten you.

    Otherwise, I would be happy to demonstrate my knowledge on the subject.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:16 am
    "Ah, you are a truly remarkable individual to know so much more than those whose job it is to know such things. Perhaps you should write Webster and inform them of their improper definitions."

    English has a lot of homophones. For instance...phat means cool. fat means to be overweight, and often doesn`t mean one is cool.

    One place if you say phat it comes out as `phat` or cool. Another place, it`s an insult.

    The same way that the OK sign means OK here, and means non-nice individual in Brazil. The definition of the word in a book isn`t the real definition ANYWAY. It`s contextual and breaks down as soon as you move around. I don`t like being right, my friend. I just so happen to be cursed. :(
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
    You just want to prove me wrong and prove yourself right.
    Well of course; why would I hope to prove myself wrong and you right? That is a terrible way to win an argument.

    If you`re going to be an intellectual coward and not take off the proverbial gloves
    I am very willing to take the gloves off here. In this way, everyone can bear witness to your humiliation.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Please demonstrate your knowledge. I want to get more involved in my nutrition given that both my parents died before they were 50 from heart attacks. So I am curious if you can enlighten me. It would definitely help.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:20 am
    The definition of the word in a book isn`t the real definition ANYWAY. It`s contextual and breaks down as soon as you move around.
    I didn`t realize the word "pedantic" was so regionally specific. Perhaps you can apply that same logic to the word "amazed" and get back to me on how your implied meaning would have more weight than mine.
  158. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:20 am
    "Well of course; why would I hope to prove myself wrong and you right? That is a terrible way to win an argument. "

    Arguments are meant to be used to discern the truth. Two individuals have knowledge--share it--compare and weigh one another`s ideas and find a consensus on how something should be thought of, or used. If your objective is merely to win then you`ve lost in the first place. My emotions aren`t even remotely engaged in this argument because it doesn`t mean anything to me. My other points matter, and you don`t even address them so I am not even fazed.

    "I am very willing to take the gloves off here. In this way, everyone can bear witness to your humiliation."

    I can`t be humiliated by people I view to have a bad view of something. And I can`t be humiliated by simple posturing.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:21 am
    @SPrinkZ

    So I am curious if you can enlighten me. It would definitely help.
    What do you want to know?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:23 am
    Patchgrabber:

    You don`t really grasp what I am saying, and that`s all right. But Shakespeare`s English for instance was just Chaucerian English jazzed up a bit, and our English today is a lot like Shakespeare`s...basically our words change and so do our meanings. I could demonstrate it, but it`s really hard to show the evolution of language. Ain`t is a good example of a `word` that isn`t a `word` until recently. The dictionary isn`t an authority on anything. People are the authority and the dictionary is a collection of our usages. It`s de facto at best is what I am saying. If I`m wrong, then please state why.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:23 am
    Aaaaaaaaaaand, derailed again....
    come on chaps. Go to the bogs and pee up the wall. This is and has been an informative and serious debate about a relevant subject. As long as you opinions ON THAT SUBJECT are defensible we can all forgive a few mistakes in spelling and grammar.
  162. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:24 am
    Your knowledge on weight training and nutrition that you were claiming to have. Or are you just another keyboard warrior who has never been in a lacrosse faceoff before with your legs reared about to run through someone?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:27 am
    Madduck is right. Squabbles over spelling and grammar isn`t good, but semantics is worthwhile I feel because I think semantics get us into these problems more often than we think.

    @ Human

    Just tell me what you lift then I guess. Since you could be lying about everything. Give me an example of what you do for a diet to lean up and gain stamina--basically to maximize performance for sports.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:28 am
    Your knowledge on weight training and nutrition that you were claiming to have.
    You will have to be more specific if you would like me to discuss further. For instance, would you like to know more about powerlifting, olympic lifting, bodybuilding, muscle recruitment, technique, compound vs isolated, proposed schedules (HIIT, 5x5, StrongMan)...

    There is quite a bit of breadth here. How about this: tell me what you would hope to accomplish in a gym (get stronger, get bigger, heart health, etc.) and I will go from there.

    Also, I have never played lacrosse. In High School I was a tight end and a sprinter in Outdoor. In college, I very briefly played goalie for our hockey team.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:30 am
    @madduck: The irrelevant tangent was initiated by @SPrinkZ, as he derailed us with an asinine comment about the word "amazed" when my meaning was clear and further clarified by the word "appalled."

    I would be happy to continue a rational argument provided I can use words sufficiently appropriate to convey the feelings @SP thinks I should have.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:31 am
    @ Patchgrabber:

    We still sing amazing grace my friend...use a different word when you are referring to rape. It`s shocking. It`s disgusting. It`s heinous. It`s awful. It`s wrong. It`s evil, etc. Those are all relatively fair terms to describe it. Amazing just falls flat. It`s like you watched a building blow up and people die inside and found it `amazing`. That`s not amazing. It`s sick.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:33 am
    @SPrinkZ

    Just tell me what you lift then I guess.
    Fair enough; my routine is 4 days a week. Each day, we do a bench variance and a squat variance. Twice a week, we do Clean Squat Press and twice a week we do Bears (CSP + Backsquat + Press again).

    Additionally, we rotate through RDLs, Overhead Press (Standing only), Weighted Dips, Pullups, Front Squats, and barbell rows.

    As you can see, we fervently believe in doing only compound lifts and we work the entire body every time we are there. Our rep routing is a 5x5 with 90s breaks between sets.

    What else can I say? Well, all of our squats take an oly approach instead of a power approach because of the enhanced ROM. Also, power-style tends to cause the tendonitis in my knees to flair up.
  168. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:34 am
    I was a triathlete for a little while. I gave up on sports mainly because of the political nature of them in schools. It`s hard to be starting string when the starting string and team captain`s mom is screwing the head coach. It`s very hard I`d tell ya.

    My aside aside...

    "You will have to be more specific if you would like me to discuss further. For instance, would you like to know more about powerlifting, olympic lifting, bodybuilding, muscle recruitment, technique, compound vs isolated, proposed schedules (HIIT, 5x5, StrongMan)... "

    I am not very interested in powerlifting to be honest. What is muscle recruitment? Honestly I am a total imbecile when it comes to working out. I just have god-like genetics for building muscle. I was standing at 2 days old by grabbing tables and had full mobility of my neck out of the womb. I also have ADHD--or was diagnosed with it. They tend to have feats of strength.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:36 am
    SPrinkZ-"Theories explain facts."

    That`s just sad.


    SPrinkZ-"I am the boss of this entire thread right now."
    SPrinkZ-"By the way, when I was 15 I had a vocabulary that most 50 year olds have."
    SPrinkZ-"I may have an arsenal that is packed with grandiloquence."
    SPrinkZ-"You`re out-classed entirely in every dimension except a pittance of academia."

    You are the PERFECT example of the truth behind the latest American Freshman Survey, which has concluded that more students now consider themselves `gifted and driving`, when in reality they are dumber than dirt.

    Don`t you just love the `Trophy for showing up` generation?

    SPrinkZ-"I usually have 2-3 thoughts going at once"

    You misspelled `a year`.
  170. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:37 am
    "There is quite a bit of breadth here. How about this: tell me what you would hope to accomplish in a gym (get stronger, get bigger, heart health, etc.) and I will go from there. "

    I honestly want to have an extremely strong heart, but I want to keep it as elastic and as flexible as possible . I basically want my body to get strong, but I do not want to compromise my life-span in order to acquire the maximum amount of strength and stamina that I can muster in this one measly life I`ve been given.

    So when you work out you try to target every group as much as possible? I`ve never believed much in isolation myself because you miss stabilizing muscles and you are generally weaker than those that use free-weights. It would be easier to discuss this via another channel rather than these fora.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:38 am
    Give me an example of what you do for a diet to lean up and gain stamina--basically to maximize performance for sports.
    Unless I am going to be competing, I do not really take into account diet. I try to eat five times a day and take ON whey with skim milk immediately after lifting. Other than that, I personally do not focus on diet.

    If I am going to be competing, I tend to have a ton of chicken and quinoa meals. I also cut out coffee and alcohol and only drink water and skim milk at those times...
  172. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:38 am
    "You are the PERFECT example of the truth behind the latest American Freshman Survey, which has concluded that more students now consider themselves `gifted and driving`, when in reality they are dumber than dirt. "

    One survey certainly decides your stereotyping. I suppose there could be a study designed to prove that anyone is `whatever they want` if you design it properly and make it ambiguous enough. Most people are driven, and most people believe they are gifted. Let`s not be coy here.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:41 am
    Wait, but why don`t you focus on diet? That`s like not caring about the fuel for your sports car...I mean...nutrition and weight-lifting I thought went hand in hand. I feel that you`re missing the other half of the puzzle if you aren`t focused on it in your off season at least a little bit. I imagine you don`t eat fastfood, or red meat every single day--or maybe I`m wrong.

    My main concern is this: heart disease exists in America at such an alarming prevalence that it has to be environment. There are places where almost no one dies from heart disease beside those genetically predisposed to it. I feel I need to concentrate on nutrition just as much as what I do with my body if I want to maximize my life. Some of my family has lived to 95+. I want to go to 100+ if I can and keep my brain and body sharp.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:42 am
    use a different word when you are referring to rape. It`s shocking. It`s disgusting. It`s heinous. It`s awful. It`s wrong. It`s evil, etc. Those are all relatively fair terms to describe it. Amazing just falls flat.
    Fair enough. Would the word "appalled" be sufficient?
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:42 am
    STFU.... fine. Rename this thread. Put it elsewhere... but there may be others who wish to know what we have to say about rape culture.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Appalled is adequate. I just think we got too much 4chan on the wild wild internet nowadays. Most of them are so desensitized to this stuff because they`ve experienced it emotionally so many times they`ve turned off the entire experience itself. Rape is just...what it is. Why bother feeling anything about it? It happens.

    That kind of falling asleep at the wheel is what lets it go on in the first place.

    Just spare me and other people the time of trying to explain why amazing doesn`t fit into a paragraph about rape.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:56 am
    Wait, but why don`t you focus on diet? That`s like not caring about the fuel for your sports car...I mean...nutrition and weight-lifting I thought went hand in hand.
    I guess I was being purposefully vague. I don`t personally believe that diet is anywhere near as important as exercise. That being said, if you go to McDonalds every day of the week, it will not be good for you.

    I don`t focus on it or plan it out. I tend to believe that you should eat when you are hungry (~5 times a day) and should not eat when you are not hungry. Of course, you should eat healthy foods and cut out the unhealthy ones as much as possible, but that does not mean that you can`t have a little bit of gelato or pizza once or twice a week.

    Regarding heart health, I hear great things about HIIT.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:58 am
    Appalled is adequate.
    Funny, because it wasn`t adequate a page or so ago. But maybe that`s just because I disagreed with you and you felt the need to nitpick a single word in place of a meaningful rebuttal, which I can only assume was absent.
  179. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:04 am
    "I don`t focus on it or plan it out. I tend to believe that you should eat when you are hungry (~5 times a day) and should not eat when you are not hungry. Of course, you should eat healthy foods and cut out the unhealthy ones as much as possible, but that does not mean that you can`t have a little bit of gelato or pizza once or twice a week.

    Regarding heart health, I hear great things about HIIT. "

    Yeah, but aren`t we so frequently hungry because we`re still using a Cro-magnon body, and our ancestors needed to be constantly hungry so they would be in a nigh perpetual look for food? Which usually equated to about...for every 1 hour of hunting/gathering you gain about 2 hours of energy. Basically we netted nothing.

    I think that eating when one is hungry isn`t very useful. Eating until one is full isn`t useful either; calorie restriction is good. We get thirsty because we`re already dehydrated. You`re revealing to me that we know different things.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
    I am literally hungry nearly every second/minute of the day. I could eat nonstop if I wanted to, and I have a colon that can crap it out as much as I want to. I don`t think it`s useful for everyone to eat whenever they want. That`s why we have this `epidemic` of obesity. Which is basically just overeating and highly saturated fats and other stuff that used to be hard to come by in our natural environment.

    People used to have to put in a lot of effort to get food. Now it`s a stroll to the supermarket. I think exercise is very important, but we evolved to deal with particular foods, and probably certain ranges of chemicals. Anything extra or less is not good for us. We need just the right amount lest we become fat, or develop diseases from over intake, or become too thin or frail.
  181. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:08 am
    HIIT looks good for cardiovascular health indeed. But, aren`t most of the programs like `insanity` `p90x` etc...aren`t they doing something similar? I`m not concerned about the pain of any workout. I am just worried about long-term damage. I enjoy the throbbing ache after a good workout.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:22 am
    Which is basically just overeating and highly saturated fats and other stuff that used to be hard to come by in our natural environment.
    Obesity is the only epidemic in which we know the cause in 100% of cases: taking in excess calories. Now, that isn`t to deny that there are conditions that make it very difficult to expend calories. However, it`s a simple fact that you cannot become obese without an excessive calorie intake relative to your own expenditure.

    With this is mind, it becomes a matter of nutrional value per calories consumed. Obviously, we want to maximize this as often as possible. I just don`t personally think it is worth the effort to sit down, plan it out, and regulate it.

    Some people work differently though. In my experience, I have been able to not care. However, I know some bodybuilders (I`m not a bodybuilder) who keep track of everything.
  183. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:25 am
    But, aren`t most of the programs like `insanity` `p90x` etc...aren`t they doing something similar? I`m not concerned about the pain of any workout
    More or less. Those programs focus on bodyweight excercises so they won`t necessarily give you the same physical changes that HIIT does. HIIT is nice because it is a happy medium between circuit training like those programs, and weight-lifting.

    You should keep in mind that weight-lifting provides you with physical advantages other than simple strength gains. You gain endurance, bone density, flexibility, etc. too. I`m sure those gains happen with P90x, I just have a hard time imagining that they are comparable to HIIT.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:42 am
    Follow-up question:

    I have asthma. What could I do to increase my respiration? I stopped smoking cigarettes months ago. I had a bad stint for a little while which was really stupid. The heart and the lungs are pretty much hand and glove. That`s why they are finding links between asthma and heart disease. I am pretty sure the reason why my mother died was because of smoking/overeating. My father just overate until the point of morbid obesity (+35 bmi).

    I see it may not be pertinent to eat on a certain schedule but I feel that it would be useful to restrict my diet to just a few things. I don`t care about flavor. I like to eat everything and anything, and I`m more concerned with physical/intellectual output than pleasure seeking through indulging on food. Even being on this computer for this long is ridiculous in my mind, and I`m often ashamed of the amount of time I do spend reading and not doing.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:45 am
    Get rid of your car, get a bike. Amazing how fit you become when you do things physically because you have to. Chop wood for fires, or at least lug it home, get a rucksack for your shopping... Dig your garden, grow your own veg..... cannot recommend this stuff highly enough. OR train to be a thatcher. I do know two thatchers who are not ripped - but both could probably wrestle cars... but most are in amazing shape....
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:48 am
    I used to thatch my lawn. God that was fairly brutal. LOL

    I used to ride my bike so long as it was within 10 miles of me. I used to do 30 miles a day. I was in relatively good shape, but I keep worrying about my heart. Heart attacks as I`ve witnessed are very painful events where you scream and writhing around a lot and then die. I`d prefer to avoid that death. Alzheimer`s disease looks more interesting to me given that you forget that you`re even dying or why you care. I`ve watched both.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:55 am
    @SPrinkZ

    I have asthma. What could I do to increase my respiration?
    This I don`t have an answer for as I am not qualified by any means to give you a medical answer. I would ask your doctor what can be done.

    I am not a trainer and all of my recommendations are based on my own experiences or the experiences of people I trust.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Erm- okay- language barrier, Thatching roofs. You run up and down a ladder with bundles of straw all day long. gues you don`t have much tatched roofing where you live. It is a bugger to insure I will say and expensive...
  189. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:24 am
    Then you truly are no authority, on anything we`ve discussed so far. :(

    So much for demonstrating knowledge; you`ve demonstrated a diminutive acumen. You barely know about the body, but yet work out. You do realize that some people are born with an innate ability to build fat/muscle. We have to work with the chemistry we have been given and nothing else. You`ve basically told me what works for you, but you decidedly know nothing about the body as a whole or seem perturbed that you don`t know much.

    At least we`re both ignorant. But you do know something about working out at least. But, I`d like to study bio-mechanics further before I commit to some plan that may be ill-conceived because of anecdotal or cherry-picked results.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:26 am
    Where do you live where they thatch rooves? I live on Long Island. It`s the pseudopeninsula of NY. It`s basically a suburban hell, or mansions galore. Sometimes right next to each other which is very funny to get a grasp of the disparity. And by funny I mean ****ed up.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Then you truly are no authority, on anything we`ve discussed so far. :(
    My friend, that is some truely awful logic you are using. You suggest that, if a person does not know 100% of the information about a specific subject, then they are no more capable to provide advice than a person who knows nothing. I hope you now see the error of your logic.

    According to your logic, an NFL linemen and you are of equal intelligence regarding quarterbacking. Obviously this is false.

    You`ve basically told me what works for you, but you decidedly know nothing about the body as a whole or seem perturbed that you don`t know much.
    I know quite a bit about weightlifting and have learned it from experience. Admittedly, I know very little about "weightlifting with asthma". Therefore, I concede that I am as ignorant about "weightlifting with asthma" as you are.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:35 am
    At least we`re both ignorant
    We are all at least partially ignorant of all subjects that are so broad. In this case, while I am certainly ignorant of some facets of weightlifting, you are considerably more ignorant about the entire topic than I.

    Therefore, in this context, if an expert were to be decided between the two of us, surely it would be me.

    But, I`d like to study bio-mechanics further before I commit to some plan that may be ill-conceived because of anecdotal or cherry-picked results.
    HIIT training has been extensively reviewed and researched by the scientific community. Via Google, you should be able to find several studies that reinforce my suggestions.
  193. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:40 am
    "You suggest that, if a person does not know 100% of the information about a specific subject, then they are no more capable to provide advice than a person who knows nothing. I hope you now see the error of your logic."

    I`m actually suggesting that if you only know one part of the body and not the rest then you really aren`t in any position to act like you know much of anything. If you were to say you can make a special compound you would not say you`re an authority on chemistry would you? Of course not. You`re not an authority on weight-lifting and you never were or will be until you learn more about the body. That`s all.

    But to your NFL argument...if you`re assuming that one has no knowledge of football then yeah the NFL lineman may have some insight. But if we both have watched quarterbacks and gotten a vicarious understanding of it then we`re fairly equal in that regard.
  194. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:42 am
    "
    We are all at least partially ignorant of all subjects that are so broad. In this case, while I am certainly ignorant of some facets of weightlifting, you are considerably more ignorant about the entire topic than I.

    Therefore, in this context, if an expert were to be decided between the two of us, surely it would be me. "

    I feign a considerable amount of ignorance just to amuse myself. I`m not as stupid as I let on about weight-lifting, and I can tell I`ve done it longer than you have and from a younger age. You assume I am stupid because it would help your pitiful little ego. It`s half of the reason why you probably work out in the first place--just to impress a bunch of dudes in a gym. Who cares? I do it for myself. Not for the ladies. Not for the men. For myself. You need a little crew of guys to help get you out there.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:44 am
    You`re clearly just a bad bull**** artist. I see through this kind of crap on a daily basis. I just wanted you to expose yourself. That`s all. You gladly did it because you have an ego problem.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:45 am
    If you were to say you can make a special compound you would not say you`re an authority on chemistry would you?
    Of course not; I would claim that I am an expert in making that compound.

    This entire debate started when you challenged me to prove that I was well informed about weightlifting. I laughed at that since I am a competing weightlifter. The challenge was not "are you an expert in the field of biochemistry or bio-mechanics". I am an expert in neither of those.

    However, relative to most fitness trainers, regular Joe`s at the gym, and laymen, then yes - I am an expert in weightlifting. I have been trained extensively in the field and have competed in official events. In what other manner can I be an expert in weightlifting?
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:48 am
    I`m not as stupid as I let on about weight-lifting
    I doubt this; explain to me the difference between oly style squats and power style squats.

    You assume I am stupid because it would help your pitiful little ego.
    I assume that you are stupid because, up to this point, you`ve demonstrated so.

    You gladly did it because you have an ego problem.
    Says the person on an internet forum claiming to have "god-like genetics for building muscle".

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:51 am
    "Did you really just use a run-on sentence while attempting to convey your superior ability within the English language?

    Really?"

    Can you show me how that sentence I used was a run-on? Because you never pointed out exactly why. You just `said` something and demonstrated `nothing`. I don`t care about being wrong. I just want to know why you think I was wrong, and where. I am pretty sure it could have been broken up into sentences but I used all the conjunctions I thought necessary to keep it a complete thought because it was one.
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:54 am
    "I doubt this; explain to me the difference between oly style squats and power style squats."

    To be perfectly honest, I could just merely look that up really fast and get an idea. I`ve squatted before. I don`t know names for things to be honest. I just know what things look like.

    "I assume that you are stupid because, up to this point, you`ve demonstrated so."

    I`ve actually never demonstrated I am stupid. If you would like to point out where then please go ahead and do it, but one isn`t stupid because of a grammatical error. One is stupid because they leave their baby in a washing machine, or one is stupid because they let their pitbull loose through a store...etc. Stupidity is fairly severe.

    "Says the person on an internet forum claiming to have `god-like genetics for building muscle`."

    They are literally godlike because I do not move around much and have muscles that most wish they had. It`s purely genetic. I
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Having an argument on the internet with google is bad. I could just lie and look anything up you ask me to and put it into my own words. You know about some squats and a few techniques to lift crap off of the ground and put it back down. I`m sorry I do not know the terminology for picking **** up and putting it down. I never found it important to know that aglets are the ends of my shoelaces either, but I know that.

    You`re just being pedantic and not demonstrating anything but that. You`re stupid if anything.
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:58 am
    To be perfectly honest, I could just merely look that up really fast and get an idea.
    Please, feel free to do so and I will correct you. If you prefer, why don`t you pose a challenge for me to answer regarding weightlifting? I`d be happy to answer.

    I`ve actually never demonstrated I am stupid.
    Surely you don`t think that I consider you stupid over a simple grammatical error. I consider you to be stupid because, even when faced with contradictory evidence, you fail to see the logical errors you committed.

    Can you show me how that sentence I used was a run-on?
    There`s that ADHD afterall; that was several pages ago! Anyways, I`ll be happy to in the next post. I am out of space here.
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    January 14, 2013 at 10:59 am
    cont. I never asked to look like I was carved out of marble circa 400 B.C.

    I was just born that way. But you clearly need to work out for your buddies. Which is fine, but I exposed you. You`re absolutely vapid.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Here is your run-on sentence:

    Use language properly or stop using it all together because you`re a testament to stupidity when someone with a powerful command of the language reads it and sees that you either do know what you mean and meant it and it looks stupid, or you`re grossly negligent and belie your intentions with bad diction.

    This block becomes a run-on at the word `when` or `or`, depending on the meaning of your clauses.

    If you mean that a person is a testament to stupidity only when someone with a powerful command of language reads it, then the block becomes a run-on at the word `or` - since this is an entirely new clause unrelated to the rest of the block.

    Otherwise (and far more likely), then use of `when` as a conjuction was improper because it modifies the sentence into a specific situation as described above.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:04 am
    I don`t fail to see anything. Perhaps you`ve failed to explain it properly. It takes two to even have an argument in the first place. I still haven`t demonstrated `stupidity` in even the broadest of terms.

    I`m going to assume Oly squats though are just slower version of the squat to target every muscle group through the lift and powerlifting just tries to get the weight up off of the ground through explosive force and technique. If I`m wrong I`m not super concerned.

    I don`t have any relevant questions to ask about weight-lifting. Weight-lifting is fairly stupid and easy to do. That`s why morons who shoot roids and eat mcdonalds can do it.

    Let`s discuss the chemistry of working out and the actual mechanisms that molecularly decides whether muscles grow, or atrophy. Can you explain those pathways, or is that too advanced for a meathead? I think it is.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:04 am
    Sprinkz, this is like reading a coke addicts diary....please post more.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Coke-addiction is really interesting. I`ve never done it, but I`ve been on meth since I was 7 years old prescribed by `doctors`. Cocaine is fairly dirty. The stuff I was fed was of a much higher caliber and caused inhuman focus. People were moving in slow-motion for 7 years of my life.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:06 am
    Interesting... Is the God you are referencing Buddha by chance?

    Which is fine, but I exposed you.
    You keep saying that, but alas, it still does not become true.

    You`re just being pedantic and not demonstrating anything but that.
    You keep using the word `pedantic` yet seem to be unaware of its meaning.

    I could just lie and look anything up you ask me to and put it into my own words.
    I encourage you to do so; I would be happy to expose you.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:07 am
    You`re 100% right. Now I see what you mean. Thank you.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:08 am
    No, I am referencing Zeus, Apollo, or perhaps if you`re raunchy enough Priapus .
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:11 am
    "You keep saying that, but alas, it still does not become true. "

    Same can be said until one of us erects a goalpost.

    About pedantic:

    Websterian definition: overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.

    You are that definition. You`re asking me about formal terms for SQUATS. Which is just PICKING CRAP UP AND PUTTING IT DOWN.

    That`s pedantic if nothing else is! You just bulldoze around any point I`ve made. You`re a felon when it comes to intellectual crimes in this topic.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:12 am
    I`m going to assume Oly squats though are just slower version of the squat to target every muscle group through the lift
    Uh, no. Powerlifting squats try to take advantage of the inherent power in the posterior chain (hamstrings, glutes, lower-back). This is because the goal is to move the heaviest possible weight. To do so, the lifter stands with their feet pointing almost perfectly straight ahead, and `sits back` into the squat. The lower-leg stays almost vertical and the hinge occurs at the hip. The descent will stop when the thighs are parallel, or almost parallel to the floor.

    Oly squatters point their feet out at ~45 degrees. This enables them to squat much lower "into the hole" of the hips. The hinge is the knee and thus the torso stays more upright. The quads are the primary mover rather than the posterior chain.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:14 am
    You just bulldoze around any point I`ve made.
    I wish I could... Unfortunately, you`ve not made any points to bulldoze around!
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:15 am
    @listypoos

    Sprinkz, this is like reading a coke addicts diary....please post more.
    I am trying to keep him interested as this is most amusing for me as well. I must concede, at the very least, that he appears to type much faster than I!
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:16 am
    I didn`t cheat and look it up, but a cursory glance on the internet would have given me all that information and more and I could have regurgitated it for you.

    This is a pointless pissing contest. If I wanted to win then I`d simply cheat. Nothing either one of us is going to ask the other is going to be very hard to find when it comes to `weight-lifting`.

    But you still never address about 80-90% of what I say. You just take a little snippit and plug in a quip. It`s clever for appearing intelligent, but it falls apart in the face of careful analysis.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:17 am
    "I wish I could... Unfortunately, you`ve not made any points to bulldoze around!"

    When using an ellipsis you do not need to capitalize the letter afterword or use a space. The punctuation rules for periods do not apply.

    That is a point ^. I am being an non-nice individual, but you`re going to ignore it because I`m right.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:24 am
    But you still never address about 80-90% of what I say. You just take a little snippit and plug in a quip. It`s clever for appearing intelligent, but it falls apart in the face of careful analysis.
    The questions that you have asked me outright have all been answered, so I am rather interested in understanding how you`ve come to this conclusion.

    When using an ellipsis you do not need to capitalize the letter afterword or use a space. The punctuation rules for periods do not apply.
    Can you cite this? It has been my understanding that it is optional, with a preference for lowercase if the ellipsis interrupts a single thought and a preference for capitalized if the ellipsis finishes a thought.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:24 am
    I thought you might want to know that little punctuation rule so you can expedite your messages.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:32 am
    "Can you cite this? It has been my understanding that it is optional, with a preference for lowercase if the ellipsis interrupts a single thought and a preference for capitalized if the ellipsis finishes a thought."

    Usually yes, but those thoughts are fairly related--it wasn`t necessary. You could have easily threw in the conjunction but and that would have still made sense. An m dash would have sufficed just as well. I am just being nit-picky about nothing important just like you were about the angle of one`s feet during a squat.

    It`s ultimately futile because we clearly understand what one another means. I am just exercising my ability to show that you`re fallible to. But don`t take anything I say as something injurious. I don`t want to say things to hurt people. I want to say things so I can help others and perhaps myself in the process.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:33 am
    "
    The questions that you have asked me outright have all been answered, so I am rather interested in understanding how you`ve come to this conclusion. "

    I said 80-90% of what I say. I wasn`t talking about my inquiries. I was talking about my statements that I`ve made about what you say or think or do and why I might think it`s wrong or just misguided. You haven`t addressed any of that. You still won`t, and that`s fine. You have an ego to protect. I don`t. I killed that thing long ago.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:36 am
    fallible too*. Don`t call me on to and too now please.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:37 am
    I am just being nit-picky about nothing important just like you were about the angle of one`s feet during a squat.
    Actually, this isn`t nit-picky at all. By pointing you feet forward, you end up sitting into the squat. When this happens, you use your posterior chain.

    On the other hand, by pointing your feet out, you end up sinking into the squat (rather than sitting). When you do this properly, the completely opposite side of your leg (quads) ends up doing most of the lifting.

    They are, by all accounts, two entirely different exercises depending on the orientation of your feet; afterall, they train completely different muscles. This is hardly nit-picking.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Usually yes, but those thoughts are fairly related--it wasn`t necessary.
    ... but still optional, none-the-less (see what I did there?).

    You could have easily threw in the conjunction but and that would have still made sense
    I agree, but it wouldn`t have had the same effect for the reader. Most readers pause or hesitate when they come to an ellipsis; they do not do the same for a `but` or other conjuctions.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:49 am
    "Actually, this isn`t nit-picky at all. By pointing you feet forward, you end up sitting into the squat. When this happens, you use your posterior chain.

    On the other hand, by pointing your feet out, you end up sinking into the squat (rather than sitting). When you do this properly, the completely opposite side of your leg (quads) ends up doing most of the lifting.

    They are, by all accounts, two entirely different exercises depending on the orientation of your feet; afterall, they train completely different muscles. This is hardly nit-picking."

    It`s not entirely different to point your feet different directions and pick up the same weight. In fact, they are distinctly the same exercise merely expressed slightly differently. That`s not wholly different. You`re wrong. Just completely wrong. I am glad you are not a physical trainer because you don`t seem to grasp that picking crap up and putting it down is the same thing all around; you`re not bypassin
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:52 am
    "I agree, but it wouldn`t have had the same effect for the reader. Most readers pause or hesitate when they come to an ellipsis; they do not do the same for a `but` or other conjuctions (sic)."

    I don`t really care. You still screwed up. You used the ellipsis as a pause and not to continue a completely unrelated thought. To use it in the context you are suggesting is often when quoting a politician/some figure. Not when writing a simple sentence. The fact that I could substitute your ellipsis for a but means that it wasn`t necessary to capitalize unnecessarily. You didn`t break any hard and fast rules, but you didn`t adhere to what would be proper. Stop wasting your time with trying to be right all the time. It isn`t a game.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Cont. entire muscle groups by picking up weight with a different orientation of your feet. By having parallel feet or a 90 degree angle you aren`t going around your back and picking things up with your teeth. You have to be a complete imbecile to think those exercises are different. That`s why one is called an OLY SQUAT, and the other is called a POWERLIFTING SQUAT. The modifier in front tells you that it`s just a modification of the same damn thing--not something different. Even the language indicates this, but you won`t indicate that I am right. I merely have to show you by force every time in every one of these posts as if I even cared. This is very amusing for me because you`re blinded by your hubris, and I`m shielded by a deep apathy for those who express it.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:56 am
    If you keep thinking you must be right, then you will certainly be wrong. And if you ever attain any sort of power over others and continue with that philosophy then you will certain trample those who see otherwise. You`re an intellectual bully, but nothing more.
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:57 am
    you don`t seem to grasp that picking crap up and putting it down is the same thing all around
    This is nothing more than additional evidence that you have no knowledge of the subject. If they are the same thing, then why is it that, in the Olympics, a lifter using the power style would be disqualified? Furthermore, a lifter in a powerlifting competition would be disqualified for performing an oly squat. According to you, they are one and the same.

    I don`t really care.
    Apparently you do, as you are still here arguing.

    You still screwed up.
    We`ve already come to the conclusion that a specific format is not a requirement; it is merely an option with a preference. Therefore, the usage was acceptable.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    That`s why one is called an OLY SQUAT, and the other is called a POWERLIFTING SQUAT. The modifier in front tells you that it`s just a modification of the same damn thing--not something different.
    Please refer to a Romanian Deadlift and a traditional Deadlift. By your logic, these are one and the same. Please remind me again of your weightlifting prowess!

    You`re an intellectual bully, but nothing more.
    Does this not then imply that I am intellectually superior to you? Afterall, by definition, a bully must have a strength or power advantage over the other person. If I am an intellectual bully then, I must have more intelligence than you.

    I am flattered you think so too.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    "This is nothing more than additional evidence that you have no knowledge of the subject. If they are the same thing, then why is it that, in the Olympics, a lifter using the power style would be disqualified? Furthermore, a lifter in a powerlifting competition would be disqualified for performing an oly squat. According to you, they are one and the same. "

    That`s like saying raisins and grapes are entirely different. You`ve not only missed the point, but you missed how I told you that you can be wrong. If you simply agreed I was right you wouldn`t have kept burying yourself in a bad argument. But you do because you`re full of ****.

    "We`ve already come to the conclusion that a specific format is not a requirement; it is merely an option with a preference. Therefore, the usage was acceptable."

    It`s only relevant if the reader could interpret the way you are suggesting--but there is no indication that it would be that way. You`re wrong yet a
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    "
    Does this not then imply that I am intellectually superior to you? Afterall, by definition, a bully must have a strength or power advantage over the other person. If I am an intellectual bully then, I must have more intelligence than you.

    I am flattered you think so too."

    I crush bullies.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    "
    Please refer to a Romanian Deadlift and a traditional Deadlift. By your logic, these are one and the same. Please remind me again of your weightlifting prowess! "

    By my logic they are not so dissimilar that they couldn`t be called roughly the same thing, but no they are different in the way that running is different from walking. Both are controlled falls, but one is faster than the other.

    You`re not going to say that running is entirely different from walking, now are you?
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    cont. again. But that`s fine. You were bound to be wrong eventually since it seems I`ve tapped you out and you`re just talking in circles.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    Um.... I went and had my tea, and now you are arguing about WEIGHT TRAINING????
    I am officially on another planet...
    So--- anyone here want to discuss marmalade making? Or gender politics... or Dretskes teleosemantic challenge to simple indicator theories ( that last would be VERY handy).....
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    "Dretskes teleosemantic challenge to simple indicator theories "

    The what!?!? Esplain.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    sigh- theories in the philosophy of mind. Referring to the problem of misrepresentation and it is doing my head in....
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    "Dretskes teleosemantic challenge to simple indicator theories "

    The what!?!? Esplain.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    It`s only relevant if the reader could interpret the way you are suggesting--but there is no indication that it would be that way
    Stand up and try it you lazy slob (lol) - it`s an obvious thing.

    Both are controlled falls, but one is faster than the other.
    You`re not doing it right. I am sure of this.

    You`re not going to say that running is entirely different from walking, now are you?
    They are sufficiently different that only a fool would consider them to be the same exercise.

    I`ve got a wonderful idea! I shall return in a few moments and hilarity will then ensue.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    Ahh, that`s very fascinating. I always wonder if animals have something like intentionality to them...I imagine they do, but it clearly doesn`t come from verbalization. Or maybe it does, but we just do not understand the syntax that they use.

    I talk to my cat too much.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    "You`re not doing it right. I am sure of this. "

    I guess you`re retarded, because anyone with half a brain knows that walking is merely a controlled fall. When you move forward you fall into your next step. Stop showing how dumb you are and start obeying common sense.

    "They are sufficiently different that only a fool would consider them to be the same exercise.

    I`ve got a wonderful idea! I shall return in a few moments and hilarity will then ensue."

    I suppose, but if you walk 3-5 miles and run 3-5 miles it`s very different. But if you run 1 mile and walk 3-5 miles it`s about the same energy output. They aren`t that qualitatively different. You`re just being especially stupid in this regard. Not that I fault you--you clearly have some internet reputation to protect.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    okay- how is it that we are able to communicate a representation of external things. Not even sure where to begin here.... you sort of need to know what I am on about, and quite frankly I am not sure even I know what I am on about. Reminder to anyone who is tempted... do not do a philosophy degree- it gets terribly opaque around year 3
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    You`re clearly oblivious to how locomotion happens for bipedal organisms. We have a ridiculous amount of muscles just to stabilize ourselves standing in the first place--we have shock absorbers in our knees because we have such a brutal way of moving.
  242. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Philosophy died at "I think therefore I am." After that it became a psychological exercise. It`s a pitiful thing to be honest. It has its merits in guiding new thought, but it`s not relevant to the new philosophy: science. Science doesn`t make errors like old-school philosophy can. Science is hard and countable. Philosophy is a way to think, but science is a way to live. Very different things, but philosophy really pisses me off after a certain point. I can usually find flaws in any philosophy because they are all wrong. Even my own philosophy is wrong, but by what degree?
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Humans also clearly think in metaphor. We don`t even think in terms of objects which is interesting. But I think that`s just an artifact of our uncanny intellect. We can see anything as everything and thus apply new meaning to anything we want which results in complex adaptive behavior because those who fail to realize a better reality based on the environment fail, and those who see the more `clever` reality are selected. The selection event never ends for intelligence, or anything.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Ladies and Gentlemen of IAB, it is with great pleasure that I present the "I`m So Awesome But Not Really `Cause I`m Super Humble and Sh*t" list - powered by SPrinkZ! In quotes, you can find the actual words of SPrinkZ annotated by me within parentheses. Enjoy!

    "You have an ego to protect. I don`t (because mine can protect itself)."
    "The stuff I was fed was of a much higher caliber and caused inhuman focus. (None needed)"
    "I never asked to look like I was carved out of marble circa 400 B.C. (so I never will *sadface*)"
    "I could demonstrate it (but your puny mind woulnd`t understand), but it`s really hard to show the evolution of language."
    "My emotions aren`t even remotely engaged in this argument because (real men have no emotions!)"
    "I don`t like being right, my friend. (I tried it once in the `80s, but did not like it.)"
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    If you`ve ever seen a horse run then you`d know that a horse`s feet all leave the ground at some points--you can say that the horse is having a controlled fall while at maximum speeds. It`s still controlled. Humans have two feet so we do it all the time. Horses have a very different gait style since they are quadrupeds.

    I think I`m done explaining how stupid it is to contradict this thought, because it`s not even my own--this is a thought that was espoused by a scientist. Nearly every thought I have is referenced to someone with more knowledge of it than myself. So you can contradict me all day with your words, but you`re not contradicting my rationality, logic, or the person I got it from.
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    Not having an ego doesn`t mean one is humble. Not having an ego means that one isn`t afraid of society consequences and what it means to be that identity. I have no I in my existence. I merely am.

    You will never feel as free as I do because you`ve never seen what I seen, and you`re going to be trapped by your own pathologies the same way I used to be. Resume your puerile game.

    Your annotations are funny I guess, because none of those thoughts were implicit. I don`t think I am better than anyone just because I have one idea that is better than theirs. Just that that idea is superior. In fact, I learn things from people who are `bluecollar` all the time. They know just as much as anyone else. They haven`t been spending all their time watching Larry the Cable Guy after all.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    I guess you`re retarded, because anyone with half a brain knows that walking is merely a controlled fall.
    So you admit to having only half a brain then? I can see clearly now the rain is gone. *If you don`t get it, try harder.

    But you do because you`re full of ****
    I insist than I am not full of asterisks. This is a vicious rumor and nothing more.

    we have shock absorbers in our knees because we have such a brutal way of moving
    `Cuz walking is like, so brutal man. Ugh, I f*cking hate having to walk and sh*t.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    For instance, if I am proven to be a completely screwed up individual then I will seek to fix it. But until that point I have to resume doing what I do. If someone indicates that something I am doing is wrong, then I fix it. I don`t argue about it because it`s not worth arguing over myself when all that someone usually wants is to be respected, or have their thoughts recognized. I don`t give out respect like candy on halloween either. But I don`t respect myself when it comes to being stubborn, or haughty, or full of myself. I don`t think it`s worthwhile to do it, and I won`t indulge myself in being trashed off of my own ego like most men seem to do. I don`t think I`m the best, but I could very well be the best--but so could you. On any given day in any time period we all could be the best, or the smartest, or whatever. It`s just circumstances and a lot of luck that lands us where we are.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    "Walking has been described as "controlled falling." Every time you take a step, you lean forward and fall slightly, and are caught by your outstretched foot. If you failed to put your foot forward, you would fall flat on your face. After your foot touches the ground, your body’s weight is transferred to it and your knee bends to absorb the shock. The front leg then lifts the body and propels it forward as the rear leg swings up to catch you again, and the cycle repeats. " - http://tinyurl.com/crzmuy8

    I thought babies had a hard time learning to walk! Apparently adults do too!
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    SPrinz- sweetheart- I know arguing, debating is fun, but you have been at this for hours now, we are so far off the original point I worry we might come upon it from behind. Why don`t you go and eat, maybe have a hot chocolate and chill out a fraction? Your fingers will be sore and, honestly, I think now is perhaps a good time to retire gracefully. Live to debate another day perhaps before things go sour. It may all get a bit personal shortly and no one wants that- it goes aginst the grain of good debate.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    @SPrintZ

    The problem with your description of walking is that the potential energy to initiate a state of falling must first be achieved. To begin moving, we must first be at a state of rest. Therefore, we must gain the potential energy to begin the fall.

    Your description of falling is only half of the story. Walking in its entirely is a coordinated combination of muscular propulsion followed by your controlled falling.

    Your description of walking is akin to saying that chopping wood with an axe is only the controlled falling of the axe. If this were so, how then does the axe find itself in a position to fall?
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    What a pissing match.
  253. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    "The problem with... "

    Let me stop you right there. There was never a problem with what I said. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel here and admit you`re wrong. Stop being stupid. This is what stupidity is. You want to talk about denying logic--you`re denying facts.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    You swing an axe by the way--you don`t let it fall via gravity. We don`t propel ourselves to the floor--we let gravity do the work.

    I`ve won this argument about thrice over.
  255. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    So much for being intellectually superior. You`re just another peon in the wake of my startling intellect. Just kidding of course. You just want to be right so bad that you`re wrong.

    You simply could have agreed with me and given me the ground that I clearly deserve rather than act like I am wrong when I am not. I let you prove me wrong once or twice. Let me do the same and we`ll both be better off for it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    Let me stop you right there. There was never a problem with what I said.
    Let me stop you right there. You do not even have a legitimate idea of your own. Instead, by your own admission, you merely quote others and rely upon the arguments and ideas of others. You lack any capacity to come up with an original and unique thought.

    Please, enlighten me with something other than "you are so wrong and I`m not!" This can hardly be considered an intelligent argument.

    You swing an axe by the way--you don`t let it fall via gravity.
    You swing your legs when you run; you don`t let them fall via gravity. By your own argument earlier, walking and running are basically the same thing (amirite?) so obviously the same is true for walking.

    Let me do the same and we`ll both be better off for it.
    I try not to lie, even if it is to make you feel better.
  257. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    We don`t propel ourselves to the floor--we let gravity do the work.
    This is such a stupid and simple point to disprove; it really is.

    Let`s just look at the simple physics involved. In which direction does gravity act? I`ll tell you - it`s a downward force. So, if gravity were the only force involved in locomotion, which is the only direction you could possibly move? The answer is down. Therefore, based on this very simple evidence, another force must exist that moves us in a forward (or backward) motion.

    What do you suppose that force is? You should now understand the error of your argument.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 2:26 pm
    Now, let`s take the physics aspect even further; shall we?

    Let`s make the next reasonable argument and suggest that, other than the initial forward force to begin moving, gravity is solely responsible.

    How then do we account for the undeniable loss of forward momemtum due to transference into the ground and air friction? Surely these antagonistic forces continuously act against our initial forward momentum. Remember, we have already shown that gravity cannot contribute additional forward momentum.

    Therefore, even this theory cannot be true since forward force must be continually added to maintain speed. Additionally, how then could we accelerate once started? By your explanation, it is physically impossible.

    Therefore, you can see that I disagree not because I am unwilling to admit that I am incorrect, rather, I disagree because you are wrong.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    Lastly, @SPrinkZ, that is how you dominate an argument. I just thought it would be nice to show you since you thought it was what you were doing before.

    I`m sure you can now see the difference.
  260. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    "Let me stop you right there. You do not even have a legitimate idea of your own. Instead, by your own admission, you merely quote others and rely upon the arguments and ideas of others. You lack any capacity to come up with an original and unique thought."

    No. I just admit that original ideas are not even possible. We synthesize and assimilate--but nothing truly original can ever erupt from us. Original ideas came from nature and observation. Now these are commonplace and we use them to build upon greater ideas. That is why the term `we merely stand on the shoulders of giants` comes from--to paraphrase.

    "You swing your legs when you run; you don`t let them fall via gravity. By your own argument earlier, walking and running are basically the same thing (amirite?) so obviously the same is true for walking."

    I don`t swing my legs. I use the force off of the ground to propel myself forward, and then I fall to the ground--then I repeat.
  261. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    "Let`s just look at the simple physics involved. In which direction does gravity act? I`ll tell you - it`s a downward force. So, if gravity were the only force involved in locomotion, which is the only direction you could possibly move? The answer is down. Therefore, based on this very simple evidence, another force must exist that moves us in a forward (or backward) motion.

    What do you suppose that force is? You should now understand the error of your argument."

    You`re making more strawmen to beat down. I don`t really care. I advise you to not take this kind of logical fallacy to a university. You would find you`re going to be outclassed and outgunned by people who won`t allow you to perpetuate your brand of bull****. This is a good exercise on exposing hubris and all but I`m getting sick of it. A controlled fall is a controlled fall. You`re merely playing semantic games to win at something you lost at long ago. Boring.
  262. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    I literally do not have enough space in 5 posts to show you how ridiculous your strawman is. But I`m just going to leave it at that.

    Gravity is not the chief force of locomotion. It`s just a factor in actually getting back to the ground. We do not swing our legs up and then swing them back down. We pick them up and then we let them fall back down and repeat the cycle. Gravity does about half of the work like you stated. But it doesn`t stop it from being a controlled fall. If you want to refute my ideas, then go ahead and prove it, but give me a reference beside your own arrogance. It`s not really doing much for me. I don`t mind being proven wrong, but you do.

    You`re probably a philosophy major because you have bull**** written all over everything you write.
  263. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    For instance, muscular propulsion isn`t even the whole story if we want to include ALL factors--the nervous system --the brain --hell even the fact we have parents factors into being able to walk. Don`t reductio ad absurdum.

    In fact, to walk at all you first need the universe to be here in the first place. You can`t refute my point...you can merely talk around it all you want. You want to have the last word the same way I used to when I was maybe 7 years old. I feel like I am speaking badly about 7 years old everywhere though when comparing them to you. At least a 7 year old knows the difference between a bad idea and a good one.
  264. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    If gravity wasn`t pushing me down in the first place, I wouldn`t be able to push off of the ground--or even gain the musculature to locomote in the first place--in fact evolution probably would have given me some sort of ballast system like a fish has to keep itself buoyant enough to stay stable at certain depths. Air at certain pressures as you may know acts like a fluid--hence why we have tidal pools, and tornadoes.

    I think your argument falls completely, and utterly flat just like as if you didn`t catch your fall while walking.

    If you`re going to resume your diatribe then at least address what I`ve actually said. Don`t make any more strawmen to knockdown. You aren`t beating my argument by obfuscating what I said in the first place--I actually can recall what I said and what I intended.
  265. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    And THAT is how you **** all over some undergrad twit from the midwest ladies, and gentlemen.

    Go pick on someone your own size--go screw with some highschool punks instead of a quasigenius. :D
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm
    More like `and that is how you turn a post about a serious topic into a complete twatathon`.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    @Listypoos,

    I`d call you a pussy but pussies could take more of a pounding than a dick like you.

    Go grow some balls and break that bastard`s spine who keeps harassing you. Anyone gets in your way like that then drat em up before they drat you up. You`ll never regret that piece of advice. Why get hit and swing afterword? The whole point of hitting you first is to insure my victory.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    well if you could read you`d know the person who stalked me and my girlfriend was an ex girlfriend of mine.... still think I should snap her spine?

    I removed the risk without having to snap anyone`s spine.

    One thing the military did teach me was aggression should always be controlled. Not just meted out like you never grew out of comic books where yourself is always the hero.
  269. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    "One thing the military did teach me was aggression should always be controlled."

    Yeah? It didn`t teach the other soldiers to not light girls on fire and rape them in front of their families. The military doesn`t teach any real values. It destroys them. Let`s not get ahead of ourselves here.

    I am not proposing that one go out and kill every person who threatens them. But if he`s literally outside of your house waiting for her to come out...why not go out and **** him up a little? Is that really asking for a lot from a man? He put himself into a bad situation, and you`re just showing him how it was bad. I will always sympathize with the father who kills the rapist of his daughter. Maybe I`m wrong, but a rapist doesn`t deserve my compassion. And I will always sympathize with the guy who beats up the guy who stalks the person he loves.

    But in all honesty it sounds like your ex was ****ing crazy to begin with. Good riddance.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    yeah...whatever you say big man... you`re the boss.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    You keep thinking that running away from everything is actually safe. My mother was tougher than you--literally. Do you really think cops stop murders or clean up the messes? You haven`t dealt with a real problem yet. You never had to put a bullet between someone`s eyes because they were just gonna come in and screw your life up. And I can`t say I have done it--but I wouldn`t hesitate to seize the opportunity to kill someone who was invading my home, and I certainly wouldn`t let anyone STALK me. I`ve never had anyone EVER try that crap with me because I`d simply COME FOR THEM. No ****ing games of telephone and all that bull**** that you put up with because you were too afraid to do something. The cops didn`t help you much unless your GF was found dead or went missing.

    Just forget this argument. You`re a weakling.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    I guess me and you have very different ways of handling a problem. I prefer a hands on approach when necessary--if I can truly avoid the situation entirely then fine. But if I have to move my life around and change my schedule and where I live because someone wants to have a problem with me because of where my penis is...well then I`m going to find better ways to **** with them.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    have you tried just doing less lines in a day?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    or maybe even none....

    try weed instead... it makes you less of a twat than coke and you focus less on how good you are and more on the wonders of life, the universe, and everything.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    I`ve never tried being stupid before. So no, I suppose I cannot just confine myself to merely a few lines a day since I think in broader ways than just one line. I`m sorry I can`t accommodate you, but I`m actually lying about that.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    Weed makes you stupid often times. I haven`t met a pothead who was brilliant aside from Carl Sagan--and I never met the man so that was a lie. I still haven`t MET anyone who smokes pot religiously that is smart, and I think that even seldom users are worse off than people who never use at all. I could be wrong though.

    Weed is a wonderful drug, but it comes in hundreds of different strains which all have different effects. It`s hard to even get the kind of `high` you want since it`s a smorgasbord of chemicals. Some are agonists, and some are antagonists for the same receptor gives it its characteristically different high for every strain.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm
    Do you know what I`m really hoping?
  278. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm
    My one friend who smokes every day is unbelievably stupid and can`t hold a train of thought for more than 2-3 seconds. When he doesn`t smoke he`s fairly sharp. Not as sharp as me, but well off enough intellectually that I can hold a conversation with him.

    He`s so stupid when he smokes that he gets frustrated at the fact that I can point out all the fallacies in his thinking. And it makes him way more emotional and impulsive--just generally dumber. I don`t find that to be an enjoyable quality.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    You`re probably hoping for a cure for world-hunger--world peace--an end to rape--equality for all and fairness for each of us--probably for a way to make beer fly into our mouths and every man able to play football instead of vicariously living out their dreams through hulking juiced titans, or perhaps you`re just hoping that mosquitoes will just go away.

    Or more contextually you are probably hoping I shut the **** up or die. Whichever is easiest.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    oh... I thought it would be so simple to guess that even a big bag of simpletons stamped with the label of `dumb`, left in simpleton park on the stupidest day of the year would be able to guess...nevermind a superhero genius like you.

    ah well nevermind...I`ll remain in hope you eventually see it.

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    We`ll start back up here because it is the first post with any content:

    Gravity is not the chief force of locomotion.
    Gravity is the chief force in falling. You claim that walking is a form of falling. Therefore, by your reasoning, gravity must be the chief force in walking. You said it, not me.

    You`re probably a philosophy major because you have bull**** written all over everything you write.
    Biomedical Science at the University of Buffalo actually - summa cum laude.

    I use the force off of the ground to propel myself forward
    The ground cannot initiate a force against you in this case. You must initiate the force; therefore, one must conclude that the forward force is created by the body and thus is not the result of merely falling.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    If gravity wasn`t pushing me down in the first place, I wouldn`t be able to push off of the ground
    Kind of, but in this context it is wrong. If this were true, we would put weight on our backs whenever we walked anywhere because it would make walking easier. Clearly this logic is incorrect.

    I think your argument falls completely, and utterly flat just like as if you didn`t catch your fall while walking.
    On the other hand, if you never initiated the forward motion, you wouldn`t need to catch the fall.

    And THAT is how you **** all over some undergrad twit from the midwest ladies, and gentlemen.
    I got my degree in New York. You can`t even form an insult without being wrong.

    My one friend who smokes every day is unbelievably stupid and can`t hold a train of thought for more than 2-3 seconds.
    "Friend" - sure. Lol.
  283. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    I`ve never tried being stupid before.
    Obviously it just comes naturally to you.

    he gets frustrated at the fact that I can point out all the fallacies in his thinking
    He`s probably more frustrated that you do not know what a logical fallacy is. Either that or he`s frustrated you think he`s your friend.

  284. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    First definition:

    Strawman: "A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent`s position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

    Just a quick wiki definition. Now let me resume what I was saying...
  285. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    "You claim that walking is a form of falling."

    No. I actually claimed that walking is a controlled fall. Which is qualitatively different. A controlled fall implies that one CONTROLS the fall--the control comes from moving the leg forward, and then falling into it.

    Stop the strawman. You`re erecting an argument I never made, and by addressing it I am empowering it. Done.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    @SPrinkZ

    Strawman

    Lol.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:42 pm
    No. I actually claimed that walking is a controlled fall.
    So, a controlled fall is not a form of falling. However, an oly style squat and a power style squat are the same thing? Oh what a tangled web we weave.
  288. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    Also, isn`t Buffalo a renowned party school with relatively little credentials? Oh yes it is! I know a guy who gave himself 2nd degree chemical burns just to get hazed enough for a fraternity there. I am not impressed with your credentials because they are meaningless. You don`t even care about how wrong you are, or how you are constructing arguments I never made. You`re an intellectual dishonest person. I am surprised you made it out of university.

    "On the other hand, if you never initiated the forward motion, you wouldn`t need to catch the fall. "

    On the other hand if you were never born you could have never argued about this inane crap in the first place.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    Strawman #3445:

    "So, a controlled fall is not a form of falling. However, an oly style squat and a power style squat are the same thing? Oh what a tangled web we weave."

    A controlled fall is a form of falling. Yes. Is walking a form of falling? No. It`s a form of controlled falling. Definition fixed. The oly squat and the powersquat are not the same exact thing in the same way that turning one`s palm upward or turning it downward are not the same thing but use roughly the same muscles and require a similar action. The Olysquat and the powersquat are relatively the same. They are both squats. That`s like saying black`s chess pieces are different from white`s because of the color and positioning on the board.

    You`re clearly some form of psychopath. You just find it fun to twist words. Too bad I don`t get emotionally charged over you.
  290. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    @SPrinkZ

    Also, isn`t Buffalo a renowned party school with relatively little credentials?
    Pretty much; it`s also a lot cheaper than my first school: RIT. I studied Software Engineering before Biomedical Science.

    I am not impressed with your credentials because they are meaningless.
    I am not impressed with your credentials because they are nonexistent.

    You`re an intellectual dishonest person
    You`re an intellectually daft person.

    I am surprised you made it out of university.
    Twice!

  291. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    Your meme generator pic is full of irony because I do know the meaning of the word strawman and you use it with piss poor efficiency. Get a better argument style. It only works on insipid mouth-breathers.
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    sprinkz...can i ask you something?

    no HA, try not to but in for a min whilst he`s answering.
  293. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    A controlled fall is a form of falling. Yes. Is walking a form of falling? No. It`s a form of controlled falling. Definition fixed
    So, if A=B and C=A, then B!=C? Please refer to the transitive property to see where you`ve erred.

    The Olysquat and the powersquat are relatively the same.
    Relative to what? For you to state that some is "relatively the same", you should clarify to what you are comparing. This is what relative means.

    You just find it fun to twist words.
    Guilty. I find it most amusing.

    Too bad I don`t get emotionally charged over you.
    Obviously! If you were, you`d probably spend most of the day arguing with me on an internet forum or something.

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm
    @listypoos

    no HA, try not to but in for a min whilst he`s answering.
    Will do.
  295. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:53 pm
    "I am not impressed with your credentials because they are nonexistent."

    Credentials are just pieces of paper. There are plenty of geniuses that do not need them to accomplish things. Most of the time people go to college/university merely to get the credentials because people don`t take them seriously UNTIL THEY DO. Which is downright stupid. The dumbest part is that most people forget nearly everything they learn in school anyway. Most people are able to hold onto thoughts for merely a few weeks and then forget it all. I can`t forget anything I learn. It`s really good in some ways, but awful in others because I can`t deal with a school environment--you really don`t learn a damn thing. You just jump through hoops every week/semester until you get through them all and you probably know only a little more than you did.
  296. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    ok....laugh at your own wittiness.. read any replies... realise you didn`t see my post...aaaaand...respond to it.

    please.
  297. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    "A controlled fall is a form of falling. Yes. Is walking a form of falling? No. It`s a form of controlled falling. Definition fixed

    So, if A=B and C=A, then B!=C? Please refer to the transitive property to see where you`ve erred. "

    I guess if logic was completely useful in this.

    If all men are mortal
    and Socrates is a man then he`s mortal.
    I am not saying that all mortals are Socrates though.

    If walking is a form of controlled falling
    then controlled falling is walking. That`s all I stated.

    It`s more like saying that trees are a form of life. Wood comes from a tree but is not a form of life . That is not saying that wood is living.

    More strawmen please. The Wizard of Oz must go on
  298. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Logic was a tool invented by intellectual bullies to pervert meaning to whatever was necessary at the time. Aristotle used his `logic` to squelch modern scientific discovery until the 1500`s. I am not impressed with logic at all unless it is used for science. Logic when applied to the semantics of language is really, really bad at best.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    @Humanaction

    I can already tell you know you`re wrong. You`re literally employing any trick you can think of to try and prove yourself right. If that helps you sleep at night so be it, but I`m not going to have any trouble being wrong, or right. I just know if I am wrong I can be right later. You`re just screwed. lol
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    SPrinkZ, I`ll ask again..... can I ask you something directly?

    It will only need a `yes` or `no` answer.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    Actually I`m wrong. I stated that walking IS controlled falling. Sorry about the mishap.

    Controlled falling is a FORM of falling. Just like a dress is a FORM of clothing but clothing is not all dresses.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    Go ahead, sugartits.
  303. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:15 pm
    OK... you agree to answer just a `yes` or `no` though huh?
  304. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    No long-winded `i`m a god amongst men, wimmin fold awt to kneel at my feel even though I say i`m standing up for their rights` kind of answer needed......... just an `aye` or `nae`.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    yes?

    a question put to you that you only answer either yes or no to?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    Sounds like a pretty stupid question, but I guess I can entertain a simple inquiry with a simple answer.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    that was neither a yes nor a no... are you sure you can follow even the most simple of instructions in future?

    again... just one word is needed... a yes... or a no.

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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    Oh... you seem to have lost your keyboard for a while.

    It`s ok.... I`ll wait.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:36 pm
    *drums fingers on desk*
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    I just want to know what your question is...
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:45 pm
    I`ll answer it with a yes or a no if it`s a yes or no question. If it`s fairly complex I won`t insult the complexity with a simple answer unless a simple answer is actually required.

    If you`re going to ask me, "the sky is blue?" Then I will just say yes, but if you`re going to ask me anything more complicated than that then I probably won`t adhere to what you requested. Please make sure your inquiry is relevant to being tersely replied to.
  312. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    you want to know what the question is before you can commit to an honest answer?

    can you not just commit to giving an honest answer no matter what the question?


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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    I`m always honest. I don`t really invest much in dishonesty unless it directly benefits me. Which could mean anything I imagine, but it doesn`t behoove me to do that in this circumstance. Nothing is at stake.
  314. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    so stop waffling then... if i ask you a question are you going to just answer it honestly with either a `yes` or a `no`.......... if not.. just admit you`re not and drat off.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    I`ll answer it yes or no.
  316. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm
    so that is a no then....... you wont commit to even giving a yes or a no answer?

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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    oh come on big man... you were so sure of yourself only an hour or so ago... and now it seems to be draining from you.

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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 7:59 pm
    seriously... only the weak (as you put it earlier) would surely avoid a yes or no answer....

    oh... but you are doing it now... ah.. ok... i geddit....it`s only weak and insecure if it`s someone else huh?
  319. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm
    come on..... you know you want to... just go the whole way and commit to an answer.. either yes .... or no.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:02 pm
    Are you like that guy who comes up to someone and says "Yeah, right?" then they go "What?" Then you say "Yeah, right?! Say yeah!"

    What the **** are we talking about? I said I will answer your question with only two polar extremes as my answer.
  321. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    If that`s not enough I will make it clear. Will I answer your question?
  322. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    Yes.
  323. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 8:13 pm
    So?? FFS. Ask me this question.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    You just wasted my time. That wasn`t as funny as you made it out to be. I love being the champion of this thread. I own this poo.

    drat rapists. drat people who like rapists. drat people who condone it, permit it, or stand by it while it happens. drat em all.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 14, 2013 at 11:52 pm
    Okay- just in case anyone wonders. I am putting this post up just to check later it has finally shut down. I am a tad concerned as to the well being of one poster-things got derailed a very long time ago. If you read this and wonder what is going on- back up about 5 pages. If it is still going on I think it should stop now.
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    January 15, 2013 at 5:49 am

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    January 16, 2013 at 7:40 am
    Wow

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