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Date: 12/17/12 11:36 AM

51 Responses to The Concealed Weapons Carry Experiment

  1. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 11:40 am
    Link: The Concealed Weapons Carry Experiment - How well do you respond to an armed threat?
  2. Profile photo of AtheistAlien
    AtheistAlien Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 11:46 am
    What a load of crap.
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    h4krChik Female 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 11:52 am
    This video is stupid. It takes all these cases out of context in an attempt to paint conceal and carry as a bad thing.
  4. Profile photo of DrProfessor
    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 11:54 am
    11 out of how many actual owners?

    Ugh. Here I thought this would actually be an experiment. You know, maybe something designed to test whether people with guns are actually capable of making a difference in crisis situations.

    You know, something that actually matters in this debate, instead of finger-pointing and mud-slinging.
  5. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 11:56 am
    I didn`t post this as scientific proof. Listen to what the trainers say about your reaction time and the importance of training.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    "News" piece with obvious agenda concludes with "proving" what they knew all along.

    *Yawn*
  7. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    You guys are so quick to judge here. The point is not to prove people aren`t responsible enough to carry concealed weapons. It`s about explaining how different a dangerous situation is.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    11 since 2007?!

    Oh my good Lord! The danger is palpable!

    Conceal carry is the best way. Open carry is for stupid blowhards with no penis.
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    you posted this to troll those of us who believe in the right to bear arms...

    i have a ccw... i am a ex-police officer... when i wore the badge i never feared a armed citizen ccw holder or not.... i worried about armed criminals...

    this idiotic video takes the deaths of these officers out of context...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Also, and this is true, there is no record of anyone with a carry permit that has been convicted of murder, ever.

    Soooo, what`s this video all about then?
  11. Profile photo of Kalimata
    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    I think you got "Bait and Switch"d The vid we saw was about CCW permit holders killing police


  12. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    Oh crap. I-A-B completely switched my post. This isn`t the video I submitted! I`ve been framed.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    Oops. Sorry dude. IAB Trolled you!
  14. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Here`s what I actually submitted (ignore the trolly title on the youtube video: Part 1

    and Part 2
  15. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    And as I said, it`s not a scientific experiment, but rather an explanation of how differently your mind reacts in a crisis.
  16. Profile photo of DrProfessor
    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    @foolsprussia: I like the actual video a lot better, although I feel like the experimental technique could use some tweaking. The "shooter" shouldn`t know which of the students have the gun. It seems like every time they knew exactly who to target. In a real event, there would be some element of uncertainty.

    Of course, it`s possible that this was the case and that they were just ready to fire on whoever went for the gun. If this is the case, I think this experiment is extremely telling of realistic shooter scenarios.
  17. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    So...this is an argument against concealed weapons permits?

    11 officers in 5 years? How many have been killed by those without permits?

    And fwiw, I am NOT taking that side of the issue...just saying...it isn`t the strongest argument to make.
  18. Profile photo of Kalimata
    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    This is why I have always leaned away from the idea that a civilian carrying concealed could help stop a spree shooting. Combat shooting is not target shooting.
  19. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    @DrProfessor: That`s a good question. I don`t know if the shooter was told, though they seemed to be in the same seat every time so he would have figured it out quickly. Like I said, not scientific, though the experiment was designed more to test the reaction of the trainee.
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    spbm02 Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    The only thing I have wrong with the "experiment" they did was that not only did the subject sit in the same spot every time, but the "gun man" knew where the subject was going to be! It gave a great disadvantage to the subject.
  21. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    Pearl High School Shooting. Guess why you don`t hear about it?
  22. Profile photo of Big61AL
    Big61AL Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    list all the people who were killed by cops that were unarmed.
  23. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    @McGovern: Ok, there`s an example of an incident in which concealed carry worked. Part 2 of the video I linked to cites examples in which it didn`t work. The point is that everyone reacts differently.
  24. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    Can a mod please fix the video link? I don`t want to keep explaining that they`re watching the wrong video clip.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    [quote">The point is that everyone reacts differently. [/quote">

    Oh ya of course but there`s no way to know how they will. I have the solution clone this guy and put him in all schools!!!
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    FP the actual link you tried to send was much better. the one posted makes you look dumb, lol
  27. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    "the one posted makes you look dumb, lol"

    It`s a conspiracy to make me look dumb. Also, 9/11 was an inside job!
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    Noone says "Why" they shot them.
  29. Profile photo of Corpsecrank
    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    WOW OMFG MAN! They killed ELEVEN people in FOUR years that is quite the figure isn`t it...

    Tired of seeing dead children on tv and people yapping about how their idea for gun control is best. When a bus crashes and kills 50 it makes the news for a day or 2 when someone kills 20 kids with a gun it is the end of the world and we need new laws amazing.
  30. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    Noone says "Why" they shot them.

    Infamy from the media but they`d never point that out.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 17, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    So?

    How many law abiding, licensed drivers have killed people?
    Will we ban cars next?
  32. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    @Gerry: It`s the wrong video. Scroll down to see the actual video I submitted.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    Good grief now you gun control freaks are just grasping at straws. This is a clear cut case of selective bias.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    (referring to the actual link submitted by FP, read the comments if you don`t know what this means)

    I have a few problems with this experiment:

    1. The shooter was a trained Police instructor, who as others have pointed out knew who had the gun, and where they were seated (front and center btw).

    2. Most insane mass shooters will have had about as much experience as someone with a CCW, and would probably react in a similar fashion when confronted with resistance. Actually they would probably be caught off guard because they would not expect someone who is not an officer to pull a gun.

    2. The test subject was given a gun with fake bullets, which they knew were fake, So their instincts should have told them to flee or hide, making this whole scenario suspect at best. At the very least the test subject would think this was part of the test, and probably would not know they are supposed to fire back.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    Also why did they put the test subject in such a confined space? There was barely enough room to stand up without falling over, so it is not so shocking that they might have a difficult time getting their weapon out. Although there are no guarantees that you will have plenty of space, in a crisis, it does add bias to the experiment.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    Gerry, y you make sense so much?
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm
    After seeing what was supposed to posted:

    1. Having a CCW does not make you a cop or obligate you to protect those around you.

    2. The position of the hidden gun on his waist is impractical. It is too far forward on his waste.

    3. In a high stress scenario, you will regress to the lowest level of mastery. This kid had no practice drawing his weapon, nor was he menatally prepared to control his reaction to the situation at hand.
    First and foremost, CYA. Get to cover or concealment. Getting under the desk should have been his first move.
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    fatlenny Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    this is crap. if you just look on line you will find many reports of crimes stopped by an armed civilian. i would love to see a retaliation video to this.
  39. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    WTH? I didn`t see any `experiment video` instead this loaded a CCW cop killer video.

    Post Fail, and by the comments I`ve seen, it`s a bunch of anti-gun BS anyways.
  40. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Let`s see, 11 murders in 5.5 years...that`s 2 per year...divided by 10 million CCW permit holders in the US...that`s an annual rate of 0.02 murders per 100,000 CCW permit holders per year.

    Compare that to 5.3 murders per 100,000 for the general population over the same period of time, and you find that CCW permit holders are 265 times LESS likely to commit a murder than the general population.

    Suck it, libs.
  41. Profile photo of Kaagan
    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    and how many police officers have been killed in that time frame by people without a concealed carried weapon permit?
  42. Profile photo of Kickan
    Kickan Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2012 at 4:15 am
    I dont see the problem, dead cops is a good thing!
  43. Profile photo of drawman61
    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    December 18, 2012 at 4:24 am
    Clearly, all missing the point of the video.
    @kickan, you should be banned from owning a computer.
  44. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2012 at 8:13 am
    Again, I-A-B posted a different video from what I submitted.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2012 at 9:53 am
    OldOllie FTW!
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    Izroth Female 30-39
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    December 18, 2012 at 10:25 am
    @Kaagan
    Exactly!!! How many were dressed in plain clothes?? Where they could have been considered a threat...
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    December 18, 2012 at 10:41 am
    ruined by the music
  48. Profile photo of edana42
    edana42 Female 50-59
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    December 18, 2012 at 10:53 am
    so why did we show the pics of the CCW holders?
  49. Profile photo of JaLacaob
    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2012 at 5:44 am
    FoolsPrussia: Maybe you should double check what you copy and paste?
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    incubus_inc Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2012 at 6:02 am
    Hahahahaha
  51. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 19, 2012 at 11:27 am
    @JaLacaob: I wondered about that, but notice that an image from the correct video briefly displays before changing to the wrong video. Not sure what happened.

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