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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    Link: Scoreboard For The Second Amendment - It`s been a rough day for the old Second Amendment.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    good idea fancy, lets just get rid of the rest of the bill of rights while we are at it huh?
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Fancylad posted this to start a war, and generate more hits for the site, and he will succeed. Damn you fancy, you win this time.
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    WheresMyGoat Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    The right to bear arms doesn`t equal the right to murder.
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    heytonashcat Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    What were "arms" like back then? Of course I know the answer. Just thought I`d throw some food for thought out there.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    Woohoo, let the debate begin!! I wonder how many opinions will be permanently changed by the coming, long-winded discussions!
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    USAF27 Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    MacGuffin where are you?...
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    How many of these massacres occurred 20-30 years ago when guns were just as easy to get as they are now? Stop looking for the easy answer.
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    EarthLove69 Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    The second amendment exists for hunting rights, what hunter needs a 9mm handgun? We should limit weapons to single shot like in the days of the constitution. If this nutcase didn`t have access to advanced weaponry he couldn`t have done as much damage in such a short time.
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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    What about all the people who were able to protect themselves from their attackers? The 2nd amendment sure did help those people.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    Interesting article about gun violence and geography

    "Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48)."
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    Earthlove, you`re wrong.

    The second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

    Ironically the adults killed today were disarmed by rules put in place under the auspices of making them safer.

    People bent on commiting evil will always find a way to do so, whether by using homemade explosives, guns, or flying planes into buildings.

    If we as a society want to stop this sort of stuff from happening we need to quit turning it into a media circus and we need to quit living in fear.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    sosueme1966

    "How many of these massacres occurred 20-30 years ago when guns were just as easy to get as they are now?"

    Here are some excerpts from this article: tinyurl.com/bwl65py

    "In 1995 there were an estimated 200 million guns in private hands. Today, there are around 300 million"

    "In the past four years, across 37 states, the NRA and its political allies have pushed through 99 laws making guns easier to own, easier to carry in public, and harder for the government to track."

    I would also add that as technology and gun making has improved there are more firearms available and at cheaper prices that also have features which can vastly increase output such as firing speed, extended clips, and semi autos manufactured specifically to be easily converted to fully auto.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm
    dbss

    "What about all the people who were able to protect themselves from their attackers? The 2nd amendment sure did help those people."

    From this article: tinyurl.com/bwl65py

    "we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun"
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Isn`t it possible that tyrants didn`t rise up to power because of the 2nd ammendment?

    The best protection against a tyranical government is a well-armed population.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    don`t want to get into an argument but will just express one personal experience.

    my old man and i have been involved in a bitter awful custody case over his infant daughter. we have been threatened multiple times and our jobs have been put in danger over the situation. when he works nights, i sleep with a gun under my pillow. if someone gets past the dogs, then as far as i`m concerned, they`re mine.

    i am not proud of my potential actions nor my present attitude, but i will not be threatened in my own home and our kid is not leaving my custody unless someone kills me.

    for every senseless killing out there, i think that maybe, just maybe, somebody`s mom or dad or sib or kid has been saved.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    No tyrant anywhere, anytime has ever been overthrown without weapons being invovled...

    BAN THE SPEAR!

    @HolyGod: It`s true, gun ownership (legal) is up 50%.
    Question: Is "gun violence" up 50%?
    Answer: No.

    Next!
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    yanks are nuts ...
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    @5Cats
    Gandi, India vs UK
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    What Dead_mind said.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    @dead_mind & @FP:
    Obviously you know diddly-squat about Ghandi...



    The massacre in Rwanda was largely carried out with machettes... one MILLION dead... that outnumbers decades of "gun violence" across the world, get it? It`s HUMANS who kill, not their weapons. ffs...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Yes, sometimes guns are misuese. So are cars, knives, and air planes. That doesn`t make them bad. There are also many instances where the use of a gun is completely justified. Look at George Zimmerman, the guy that shot Treyvon Martin... wait, that may may not be the best example. Um .... wait, I`ll think of one.....
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm
    What liberals can`t seen to get through their thick skulls into their tiny little brains is that every single death in the US from multiple-victim shootings has occurred in gun-free zones. Also, there are numerous cases where these shooting have been stopped by armed citizens.

    Just remember, libs, when you look at that tally, those murder victims are people who might have been able to defend themselves had YOU not disarmed them.

    Sleep well.
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    thesandwich Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Well seeing as today`s incidents led to this post let`s look at the facts.
    He killed his mother, then stole her guns to commit this heinous act. He did not own the guns, he stole them after committing murder.
    Even the theater shooter in Colorado stole the AR-15 and extended mag. The North Hollywood Shootout involved illegally modified rifles.

    See how there is a pattern that those who are going to break the law (murder, robbery, etc.) also break the laws when it comes to guns. Yet anytime some awful act is committed with guns the focus seems to be on affecting lawful citizens trying to obtain firearms through lawful channels.

    Yes the US does experience more gun violence due to the fact we have more guns. But the EU does experience more violence committing with knives and beatdowns than the US. At the end of day some people are just sick, violent, or just didn`t get hugged enough, but the focus should be on the individual not looking for copouts.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    What were "arms" like back then? Of course I know the answer. Just thought I`d throw some food for thought out there.
    Actually, I don`t think you do know the answer. At the time of the founding, the army was issued muskets, while the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle. The long rifle had better range, accuracy, killing power, and rate of fire compared to the musket. A group of armed citizens could take out twice their number of soldiers without suffering a single casualty.

    So no, our ancestors didn`t have military-style weapons; their weapons were actually much better.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    "Obviously you know diddly-squat about Ghandi..."

    In what way does that change anything about the end result? He defeated an empire through non-violent means.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    no tyrants to overthrow because we have guns
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    The second amendment exists for hunting rights...
    This is one of the most glaring examples of ignorance I have seen on this site. In the words of that great Cuban-American philosopher Ricky Riccardo, "Lemme `splain you somethin`." The 2nd amendment has not one f***ing thing to do with your right to keep and bear sporting goods. It guarantees your right to keep and bear "ARMS"; you know, those thing you use in ARMED CONFLICT. It`s based on the idea that INDIVIDUALS have the God-given right to defend themselves and their families against criminals, foreign invaders, and, if necessary, their own government.

    And if you don`t think your own government represents a potential threat, I can think of 6 million dead Jews who would take issue with you on that.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    @oldollie: While your statement about the multiple victims = gun free zone is probably correct (i have researched it), there is a simple explanation for it. Multiple victim shootings happen where people gather. places that people gather tend to be gun free zones. Bars, schools, clubs, casinos, etc. are gun free zones, so if someone were to come into an establishment with weapons, they are very likely going to be shooting at unarmed people.

    So while your statistic is probably correct, it doesnt mean that non gun free zones wouldnt have a mass shooting....if you could find one.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    @Gerry1: Passenger aircraft were flown into buildings:
    Solution?
    BAN ALL passenger aircraft!

    It`s "liberal logic" at it`s finest! Anyone who agrees that THIS EVENT could have been prevented with MORE LAWS is an absolute idiot.
    Period.

    In Fact: The very laws meant to "protect" people may have contributed to the deaths. Chew on that Lib-Tards...
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    stk5m Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    Well the same thing happened in China. Should we screen the background of everyone that walks out of a Brookstone with a kitchen knife? Sometimes I just want a steak and not eat liver with fava beans.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    Here`s how it`s done where there is gun control:
    Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    @MrPeabody:

    None of those kids are dead (as of today).
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    So while your statistic is probably correct, it doesnt mean that non gun free zones wouldnt have a mass shooting....if you could find one.
    bophus, that was one of the most contorted pieces of self-delusional bull$#!+ I`ve read in quite some time.

    Actually, there are numerous examples of ATTEMPTED multiple-victim public shooting in places that were not gun-free zones, but they never made the news. Why? Because the shooters were killed by armed citizens before the body count became "newsworthy."

    These include including school shootings in Pearl, MS, and Edinboro, PA, and the Appalachian Law School in VA; on the street in Memphis; in a mall in Salt Lake City; at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs; and at an apartment building in OK.

    This is what happens when you get your information on controversial issues from the left-wing media. They omit anything that argues against their biased agenda.
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    SpermNinja81 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    The fu..? Sure it`s the individual who is responsible, not an inanimate gun. But how many of these massacres have been attempted with knives, clubs or fists? It`s just plain self- serving ignorance to suggest that the easy access to firearms is NOT at least a factor in these type of incidents. Somone gave the machete deaths in Rwanda as an example, these militia groups were not going into those villages armed with machetes alone, they also had firearms.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    @FoolsPrussia
    "None of those kids are dead (as of today)."

    Funny, I don`t remember saying that anyone died in that story, but if there has to be dead children in the story then try this one:
    Ax-wielding man kills 3 kids, wounds 13 in China

    Now you are going to say not as many children died. I would say one dead child is too many, and no matter what you take away from people, or what laws you put in place, they will invent new ways to do evil.

    For example (From Wikepedia):
    "Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes."

    Just maybe had there been a member of the armed populace at that school, some of the damage could have been mi
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:29 pm
    The point is that a gun is easier to kill with than a knife. Now I`m not advocating a gun ban. I wish we could live in a world without guns, but it`s too late for that, and the public is unwilling to do such a thing. What I`m calling for is an end to the notion that more guns make us safer, because that`s been busted, as HolyGod pointed out earlier in this thread.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    OldOllie

    "Also, there are numerous cases where these shooting have been stopped by armed citizens."

    Prove it.

    From this article: tinyurl.com/bwl65py

    "we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun"
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    @HolyGod
    "we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun"

    So how many civilians had guns at these mass shootings? How many civilians with guns attempted to stop these mass shootings and failed?

    What would you say if that quote read like this:
    "we set out to track house fires in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the was a fire put out by a civilian using a Fire Truck"
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2012 at 11:46 pm
    Many more people`s lives have been saved and rapes averted because the victim had a firearm. But you won`t hear about those statistics from the media, or biased cartoons like this one.
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 pm
    this one i love

    "And if you don`t think your own government represents a potential threat, I can think of 6 million dead Jews who would take issue with you on that."

    if only the jews were a bunch of gun toting nuts, the holocaust could have been avoided

    i dont know why americans insist that the best place to live is in a combat zone, where every lunitic can own military grade weaponary, try living somewhere safe and see what that is like for once
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm
    "Many more people`s lives have been saved and rapes averted because the victim had a firearm. But you won`t hear about those statistics from the media, or biased cartoons like this one."

    or mace or a tazer ... u know the non lethal close quater weapons
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    lesterday Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 12:06 am
    The Excalibur and Casino in Las Vegas had a shooting tonight, too. One mand walked up to the concierge and shot and killed a women before turning the gun on himself. Crazy day today...sad.
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    Lord_Jereth Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 12:09 am
    OH! EMM! GEE! Crakr and I finally agree on something.

    That Mayan calendar thing may have some merit to it after all.

    Criminalize guns and only criminals will have guns. The cat is out of the bag with no way to put it back in at this point. Train the populace in proper safe-keeping, maintenance, usage and laws regarding ownership and carrying, and I am sure that these sorts of things wouldn`t happen nearly as often. If this nut-job`s mother had kept her guns locked up, this would never have happened.

    8-) LJ
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 12:13 am
    "u know the non lethal close quater weapons"

    Ya, because being in close quarters with a lunatic who has a knife is the optimal solution.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 1:33 am
    "Criminalize guns and only criminals will have guns. The cat is out of the bag with no way to put it back in at this point."

    This. And I definately do not put myself in the pro-guns camp.
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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 1:59 am
    What I don`t get is that no-one has put 2 and 2 together yet.

    There are reported to be over 200,000,000 privately owned guns in the US currently, some estimates put that as high as 300 million plus.

    It is reported that 500,000 guns are stolen each year and something like 8,500,000 applications to buy a gun are made.

    So in terms of turnover - the people who are arming the criminals that they claim to need defending from are in fact the people arming themselves. If you stopped or severely restricted private sales of guns it would seem that you begin to cut-off the supply of firearms to criminals. At the same time police continually take illegal firearms from criminals and the cycle slowly reverses.

    The problem is what happens in the mean time? That is a harder question to answer and one to which I don`t have the answer.

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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 2:23 am
    Your right to bear arms keeps the gov`t afraid of you instead of the other way around. There will always be insane people, don`t give up your freedom for liberty (double speak)
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 3:17 am
    Yes because if you take guns away, you`ll stop the robbing and killing.





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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 3:58 am
    American kills a score of innocents? Sounds like Afghanistan.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 5:06 am
    wibble4321, don`t be bringing sound logic and actual common sense into this discussion. That`s just totally inappropriate, and way unfair to the gun lovers.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 5:43 am
    Pundits gonna pund.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 6:16 am
    Having a gun for self defense or hunting is one thing, but the average person does not need an arsenal or military grade weapons.
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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:23 am
    Right,

    So having actually just read the Second Amendment for the first time (I`m not American is my excuse) it says

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    So, I see that people take the right to keep and bear arms quite happily whilst glossing over the `Well regulated militia` part.

    Now militia to me suggests a level of organisation and responsibility that does not appear to be taken along with the right to buy and own a gun. I`m not very up on it but I don`t suppose that firearms permits carry a clause to say that you are expected to serve in the defence of the liberty of the State for which it is issued or its citizens?

    The 2nd amendment seems at best an throwback that is used conveniently by a $1.7bn industry to sell guns. But hey, it isn`t my country so I should probably keep my nose out.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:35 am
    how did they miss the american revolution? that was 90k tyrants dead.
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    Misfit-Mutt Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:41 am
    People have militias, but the good ones would probably be secret, because any well known militia would be labeled a terrorist threat. And they couldn`t very will just start shooting up politicians because that`s illegal and I think most of america wouldn`t agree with the sentiment.
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    KungFuGuy Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:51 am
    Laws need to change with the time in hand. That is all.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:01 am
    There shouldn`t be any on the tyrant side. The whole point of a deterrent is because it`s their it never be used. On gun control I think there are too many in America to introduce control but this is a stupid argument. But people shouldn`t have guns...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:03 am
    MrPeabody

    "In not a single case was the was a fire put out by a civilian using a Fire Truck"

    Absolutely. We don`t all need our own firetrucks because we trust the fire department to protect us from fire and they do a good job.

    Just like we don`t need our own guns because we can trust the military and police forces to protect us and they do a good job.

    I`m not sure if you were trying to prove my point?
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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:17 am
    @holygod Where were the military and police yesterday while that guy was killing those kids

    and to the point you made to me earlier about not a single mass shooting was thwarted by a person with a gun. The places where these occur (schools, malls, theatres, ect.) people aren`t allowed to carry weapons. So the law abiding people are disarmed and subject to the attacks of the people who do not follow the law.

    and to your point, about fires. Civilians do put out fires. In many towns there is a volunteer fire department comprised of civilians who put in time to help their community, they are not sworn in and they do not get paid. They do get a firetruck though
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    pak_-_man Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:34 am
    A criminal or a nutcase will get his weapons anyhow anyway, banned or not . legally or illegally........ Good luck not having one to protect your self when that criminal/nutcase comes at you and your family
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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
    @pak-man according to holygod the always trustworthy police and military will be there to protect us during a surprise attack.

    as you know, when seconds count they are just minutes away.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
    The right to bear arms.

    Odd how when it`s a right that doesn`t bring in billions of dollars a year for rich companies then the government there doesn`t mind taking away rights from people... right to privacy etc. 9/11 was used as a good excuse to erode personal rights in favour of security for example.

    I`m not a big fan of firearms in general....even though i`m experienced with several assault rifles and pistols from my military days, including the M16 from my tours with a couple of US units. I`ve lived for a time in the states with my (then)american girlfriend...and it made me uneasy the casual way she kept guns around the house.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:51 am
    cont.

    but the mindset is totally different to firearms there - millions of people peacefully use them responsibly every day. However when every now and again you get a nutter who is not only in possession of the deadly weapon, but also willing to use it on anyone that gets in their way it`s easy to think `ban then all`...when the sensible solution may just be a few tighter controls.

    Yes it`s true that if someone was in a killing mood there are knives and lots of other ways of killing people... but it`s a lot harder to kill 20 people with a knife without being stopped than it is to stand away from them just pulling a trigger.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    easier solution: limit the amount and types of firearms that can be owned by a private citizen. Like I said, No sane person needs an arsenal.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun
    @HG: This is a self-explained sentence: if there HAD BEEN an armed civilian to stop it? There would BE NO mass murder! DUH!
    In all 61 crimes the police didn`t arrest the killer until AFTER the killing stopped...

    I understand what you`re trying to say - you simply have nothing of substance to back it up.

    @Selous: The example is how a Government can be a threat to it`s own peoples... Hitler was a huge fan of "gun control" eh? He took everyone`s guns away too...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    @korhan: "or military grade weapons"
    Average Americans cannot (as far as I know) buy full-automatic weapons.
    When the news calls them "assault rifles" it`s a complete lie: they`re single-shot, SEMI-automatic guns. They are NOT machineguns.

    @wibble4321: Yes, the criminals steal guns. If 90% of people`s guns were removed, the remaing guns would be valued MUCH higher: more theft of them would occure.
    Who would disarm the criminals? The USA cannot stop TONS of drugs, or 100K `illegal aliens` as it is. HOW are they going to stop gun imports?

    The cat is indeed out of the bag, it was never a realistic option to "take everyone`s guns away" but it doesn`t stop the liberals from trying!

    Passing more laws? Just makes honest folks suffer, it doesn`t affect the criminals one iota.
    THAT is why right-thinking people oppse such "laws" ok?
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    A legitimate attempt at gun control in the US will be a war. True patriots know the deal. They ain`t stupid. They know like I know that an unarmed population is easy to control.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    "True patriots know the deal. They ain`t stupid. They know like I know that an unarmed population is easy to control."

    How are you any less under the control of your government than say we are in the UK? That`s just a notional argument because the truth is you`re very controlled... or haven`t you seen the news items where peaceful protesters in both our countries have been pepper sprayed just for daring to stand up and say `no` to the governments on even relatively trivial issues. Yet the same people in our governments that declare our own protesters thugs and trouble-makers...a minority nuisance - can`t wait to declare even violent protesters in middle eastern countries freedom fighters and legitimate voices of the masses.

    Of course you`re just as much under control as other countries with no guns... do you really think your government fears you just because you might have a pistol at home? They don`t fear you exactly because they do already have contr
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    HG, I wouldn`t wipe my dog`s ass with Mother Jones magazine, and Mark Follman is a lying liberal sack of $#!+.

    My previous post contains incontrovertible proof that armed citizens have in fact stopped mass shootings.

    One thing that is also an incontrovertible fact: where there were no armed citizens, no one stopped the shootings.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    @HG ...we don`t need our own guns because we can trust the military and police forces to protect us and they do a good job.
    Yeah, they did such a great job protecting those children in Newtown, didn`t they?

    Stupid f***tard.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    December 16, 2012 at 8:57 am
    @Listypoos
    Ignore, the rest of the world laughs at pro-gun nutters. They`ll never get it through their thick stubborn heads that they`re wrong. That country will go through mass shootings after mass shootings and STILL defend. They`ll resort to how you and I are "under a police state" which is easily laughed off.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    December 16, 2012 at 10:58 am
    8bithero-You don`t get it. When guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns.The reason no tyrants have been overthrown? Guns. Don`t know if Bush2 counts as a tyrant.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    December 16, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    @Zeegrr60 you don`t get it. The Arab Spring didn`t happen with guns. They used their voice. The United States has more military firepower then the next 12 countries combined. Do you think a few rednecks in a pickup will do much?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    December 16, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    The Arab Spring didn`t happen with guns

    What? There WASN`T an armed uprising in Libya? There ISN`T a rebellion going on in Syria at the moment, that`s news.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    December 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    The Holocaust didn`t happen with guns -- a least not on the Jews` side.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 6:07 am
    He never got the guns legally tell me how more laws would help? Where`s the tally for tyrants that destroyed their countries after banning guns? They won`t stop until they destroy the Constitution now.

    8 right there even more if you pay attention in history class.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    579 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 6:41 am
    If you ban guns you are going to need a much larger cartoon.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3351 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 8:46 am
    @McGovern1981
    i was just thinking the same thing.
    youre so right on the mark
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    x13purplesta Female 30-39
    235 posts
    December 17, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I thought it meant tyrants overthrown in the USA only.
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    whateeevs Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    drating dumb ass Americans. I`ll applaud when you all kill each other with your precious drating guns. Better keep those around, or you know, your government might enforce literacy and healthcare. Idiots.
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