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Date: 12/01/12 06:00 AM

30 Responses to NPS Bullies 100-Yr-Old Oyster Farm Out Of Business

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 30, 2012 at 10:21 am
    Link: NPS Bullies 100-Yr-Old Oyster Farm Out Of Business - Big Government enviroweenies misuse science data to kill jobs.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 1, 2012 at 6:43 am
    I knew it was a crakrjak post when I read the word "enviroweenies". Clearly written by a person who is incapable of understanding the complexities of the environment and assumes all scientists are nerds.

    CrakrJak post=Not worth wasting my time on.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 6:58 am
    patchouly: It`s a shame you won`t watch it, I guess you wish to remain blind to the plight of those being bullied by bureaucrats with nothing else better to do with their time. The government wasted millions of dollars putting an environmentally sound and conscientious oyster farm out of business. But you`d rather bury your head in the sand out of dislike for me.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 7:17 am
    Saw the title instantly knew it was the crakr. Watched a bit then read up on it in other sources. The decision has gone through their lease has expired and they`re being evicted. A shame but would need to see all the proper data to make an unbiased judgement this is one sides emotive piece
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    December 1, 2012 at 7:43 am
    It`s pretty easy to make a position look righteous, when you only show one side of it..

    They do bring up some data and plausible facts, i`ll give them that. But somehow i doubt they tell the entire story.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 1, 2012 at 8:37 am
    I too would lie to hear the other side. What agenda is being (allegedly) pursued? I would not deny that government agencies are often high-handed, power-happy and callous about their impact on small communities, but there seems to be no motive for he alleged shennanigans.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
    251 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Basically what this amounts to, is the owner of the farm is trying to get his lease extended, eventhough he has acknowledged in the past that he knows congress in 1976 intended for areas to be managed as complete wilderness at the end of the period, gov`t people have acted inappropriately IMO, as has the owner. Granted, i haven`t spent hours looking into it or anything like that, but after reading an article in a NPS newsletter, it is pretty clear that this video has done a whole helluva lot of exaggerating of its own as well as conveniently leaving out a lot of information.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 1, 2012 at 9:17 am
    You know. I was watching this, and I was feeling sorry for them, hating the enviroterrorists, etc. etc....

    Then, at 3:40, she mentioned that they were in California....

    That explains everything. How dare they undertake a self improving enterprise in California! It`s their own fault.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
    251 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 9:31 am
    The people talking about enviroweenies and ecoterrorists and making statements implying that California is anti-business and all that are really not doing their side any favors. Makes you look just as bad as those you scorn, maybe even more petty and blind.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 1, 2012 at 10:05 am
    "implying that California is anti-business"

    ...but they are.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 1, 2012 at 10:28 am
    If you vote Democrat, you have no right to complain about this.
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    klaxor Male 18-29
    646 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 11:34 am
    What they don`t show is that they took over an oyster farm that was already under scrutiny, and repeatedly bent the rules by operating in areas that they weren`t supposed to.

    On the other hand, watch this place fill up with weekend resorts within the next 20 years
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    bordo Male 50-59
    907 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    I`m already stuck here with an established practice and 60 years old. If you`re not already stuck in California, don`t move here, don`t try to establish anything, build anything or do anything except apply for welfare. That`s the only thing one can do successfully here. Saying California is anti business is like saying Mother Theresa wasn`t a good bet for nookie.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    @CrakrJak, if you shared info without putting down the people you are trying to influence, you may get some better results.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    Should really say 7 year old oyster company stupid enough to buy a short lease prevented from continued degredation of a marine wilderness, designated since 1976.

    In its short 7 year operations they have been cited multiple times for not operating in an environmentally sensitive fashion. It is right for them to go.

    Did you actually read the background before you jumped on the bandwagoon cracker? Or do you not care (and by extension are happy to recite a lie ? )
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    I don`t really understand the issue here.

    The company`s current owners knew, when purchasing the company in 2004, that the lease would expire eight years later. They chose to listen to the advice of their attorneys that an extension could be negotiated and thus decided to take on the risk of that not happening.

    Eight years later, it happened. The (current) NPS isn`t swooping in and taking over the land from the current owners; this appears to have been in place since 1976. In total, the NPS has given a total of 36 years of lease to the owners of this company (not the current owners only - all previous owners).

    So, what`s the problem? They bet and lost. That`s what happens in business.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    patchouly: Why don`t you look at the story of the Villalobos rescue ranch in LA? The one featured on the TV show "Pit bulls and Parolees".

    When the elites want you gone, they elicit the government to do their work for them, for free. They can invent whatever data they want, use whatever lie it takes, as a means to an end.

    These days they use child safety, the environment, political correctness and such "causes" as the medium of control. If they get it wrong, they`ll never be held responsible because you can`t sue the government and win.

    Apparently you`ve never been told just how deep the rabbit hole goes, how much the elites invisibly control not only our country but the whole damn world.

    They started loosing control when Teddy Roosevelt started busting up the trusts, now they want it back through socialized oligarchy.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    @CrakrJak,There may or may not be some truth to the conspiracy theories. I`m well aware of them. I`m intelligent enough to keep tabs on things. However, I`m also intelligent enough to not buy into anything without proof. Either way, as I stated before, you`d get a lot further in your arguments if you nixed words like "Enviroweenies". Saying stuff like that make you instantly lose credibility. Provide me with a link, stating facts, and I always consider it with an open mind. Regardless of who it`s from or which side of the political fence it falls on.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    CrakrJak

    1. This seems reasonably f.ucked from what I can see.

    2. Calling the National Parks Service "enviroweenies" is just asinine. If it wasn`t for them and similar agencies the grand Canyon would be an amusement park, the sequoias would have been chopped down, and yellowstone would be covered in resort condos.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    and yellowstone would be covered in resort condos

    Why would any anyone want to deliberately design and plan their condos to trash such a lucrative tourist destination?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 1, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    grand Canyon would be an amusement park

    Not sure why anyone would want to do that.

    the sequoias would have been chopped down

    Contrary to popular belief paper mills do NOT thrive on clear cutting, in fact they wouldn`t last a decade if they did that. Again, why would anyone want to destroy something that could provide boatloads in revenue?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 2, 2012 at 12:13 am
    In its short 7 year operations they have been cited multiple times for not operating in an environmentally sensitive fashion

    Cited not convicted, the other govt agency came in and discovered the NPS`s BS and now the NPS won`t back down.

    Or do you not care (and by extension are happy to recite a lie ? )

    Look who`s talking.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 2, 2012 at 1:45 am
    Why would any anyone want to deliberately design and plan their condos to trash such a lucrative tourist destination?

    Conversely why would anyone do the same thing out of negligence? It`s like you assume that if things are privatized they`ll go to Hell in a handbasket.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    December 2, 2012 at 2:09 am
    HG: Our national parks survived just fine before the NPS was commissioned. The NPS is not the gleaming knight on a white horse that you`re making them out to be. This is the same agency that`s culled buffalo and wild horses on National Park land.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    December 2, 2012 at 8:01 am
    The Sequoias are actually quite threatened right now. There`s a terrible smog problem in King`s Canyon.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 2, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Cajun247

    "It`s like you assume that if things are privatized they`ll go to Hell in a handbasket."

    I assume that because it is true. Corporations do not have morality. People have morality. A corporations single solitary mission is to generate revenue. Without regulation corporations would do whatever they could to make as much money as possible.

    Just look at what businesses did before regulations. Children worked in sweatshops. Employees had no rights. The environment got trashed.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 2, 2012 at 11:10 am
    @cajun, that`s a pretty piss-poor retort. They are a 7 year old operation who`ve been cited for numerous environmental violation. Where did I lie?

    ..and whilst business should consider sustainability, it is often in their interest to clear up, make the money and move on. You should fly over Northen Canada, and see the scale of clear felling. No need to do a more sensitive mosaic if you can clear huge blocks in one go.

    In the case of this Oyster farm though, I don`t think its sharp practice, more like stupidity.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 2, 2012 at 11:13 am
    "When the elites want you gone, they elicit the government to do their work for them, for free. They can invent whatever data they want, use whatever lie it takes, as a means to an end. "

    Oh man..
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 3, 2012 at 8:28 am
    FOR THE SAKE OF THE PLANET!!! Outsource our jobs to China where they have no regard for it :-|

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