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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Link: Journalist`s Guide To Firearms - How do these trained professionals tell weapons apart? They use this handy guide!
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    But what does a glock look like?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Lower Left
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    left column bottom left corner is a real glock...
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    lt633c Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Pretty accurate......newscasters never know what the hell they`re talking about aregarding weapons.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    @korahn

    Glock 17.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    I had to LoL when they got the AK-47 wrong eh? ;-)

    This! And calling EVRYTHING an "assault weapon" shows the MSM`s blatent, unrelenting bias.

    They don`t even bother to try! No more "Assault STYLE weapons" (which isn`t correct either, but is closer to being accurate) it`s just plain "why do people defend assault weapons?"
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    Assualt weapons have automatic capability when they label all the semi-autos assualt weapons it`s because they want to brain wash you into thinking "Gunz is evil gunz is mean ban gunz dey make you killz peoplez!!"
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    5Cats: Yeah, there was a news commentator on CNN just last night saying that Glock pistols were `assault weapons`. Excuse me? Since when did handguns become `assault weapons`?

    A former police officer and head of the Sharpshooters Association was trying to educate him but the CNN guy was having none of it. CNN guy just sat there and spouted off lie after lie after lie from his pre-printed list of liberal talking points.

    I felt sorry for the former police officer, because he was really patient and trying to refute all the misconceptions and disinformation was a daunting and frustrating task.

    I`m beginning to believe that the only education most people in America get about firearms comes from Movies and TV, where no one needs to reload and `spray and pray` kills everyone instantly.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    Journalists aren`t alone. I cringe during TV and movies when someone uses a magical silencer that makes his gun sound like he farted through a straw.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    This is so stupid I just don`t get it.
    I fear that if I try to understand it my IQ may drop
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    Americans are in a strange situation. You have "grown up" with guns. It`s not realistic to take them all away. However, "assault rifles" have no business in a lay person`s hands, any more than they should have nuclear weapons. Keep the rifles and hand guns, lose everything else. Of course, as I`ve stated before in this matter, it`s just my opinion...
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    AND...as for what constitutes an "Assault Rifle", it`s anything that is fully automatic and holds lots of rounds. If all you need it for it protection and hunting, then a maximum of 6 shots is good enough.
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    maxxim Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    I`m not sure if you are being sarcastic, but "assault weapon" in the US has a very specific definition and fully automatic is not on the list.
    Some but not all of the requirements: pistol grip, bayonet lug, detachable magazine, collapsible stock, flash-hider.

    These don`t seem like they would effect most firearms, but the language is very vague and can be interpreted to include most guns currently being manufactured. Even BB/paintball/airsoft guns included the way the definition is currently written.
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    maxxim Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    I should add this is the legal definition of assault weapons/rifles as per the US government, not the actual definition as per history/man who invented them/rest of the world.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    I love how the pistol can be both a glock and an ak-47. That guide seems legit.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    CrakrJak, let me just mention something about loading sequences in movies. They often do have scenes of them reloading their guns. Unfortunately these get easily cut out for time constraints.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    Well, I`m in Canada. What do I know about guns? LOL!
    All I can say is, if a person has a gun that kills one person, instead of 20, there would be a lot less tragedies.
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    GatorGrad09 Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    You`re an idiot if you think these crimes are being committed with automatic weapons. There is already a ban for those (except for ones that were here before the ban, which are few and extremely expensive.)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    @maxxim: Yes, the "1994 assault weapons ban" which expired after 2004, had those definitions that you mention.

    It ALREADY IS almost impossible to buy a full-auto weapon! All "semi-" means is 1 pull on the trigger = one round fired. A revolver is "semi-automatic" technicly speaking...

    So: no one can "...just go buy an assault rifle at WalMart" OK? When will journalists stop their "liberal crusades" and go back to reporting news?
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Q. How many NRA members does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A. More guns.
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    Is that a famas
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    @5 cats, no, that is not the definition of semi-automatic. Semi-automatic means that each pull fires a single round without manual intervention required *inbetween*. Therefore most revolvers are *not* semi-automatic.

    You`ve just been corrected on a gun matter by an Englishman.
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    monkeyboy66 Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    I am tired of gun "experts" mocking people who have not made an obsessive study of killing tools. I get that an AR15 is technically not an assault rifle, as it is not capable of selective fire. Big f*cking deal. I maintain that it has the same lethal potential, looks an awful lot like its military cousin, and should be kept out of the hands of unstable persons. If you choose to acquire a great deal of information about killing tools, that is your right. It does not give you the right to mock people whose interests lie elsewhere. An AR15 is, in fact, a civilian version of the M16 assault rifle. Pot-tay-to, Pot-ah-to.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    as if the cosmetics of a firearm somehow make it more lethal.... the only thing that does this is the person using it
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    Nomud Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    @MattPrince: I don`t know that much about guns but I`m pretty sure all double-action revolvers count as semi-automatic according to your definition. And if I`m not mistaken, most revolvers today ARE double-action.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    @MattPrince: Well yeah! The actual definition rests on wether a new bullet is "chambered" or not. In a revolver (or bolt action) it isn`t done automaticly, it`s done by the person.

    But it`s closer to call a revolver "semi-automatic" than it is to call a semi-automatic an "Assault Rifle" eh?

    I did say "technically" (spelled rightly this time...).

    @Nomund: No, @MattPierce is correct, it refers to the "automatic" re-loading, which a revolver doesn`t do.

    @Monkeyboy: It isn`t the way a weapon "looks" it`s how it functions. A really smart person told me that. (lolz! It`s @Zuriel`s comment lolz!) Ditto for knives, eh?
    Welcome to IAB!

    My car runs SO MUCH faster now that I`ve painted racing flames along the fenders...

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    The "automatic" refers to the mechanism to chamber a round.

    A semi-automatic uses force from the fired round to cycle the action, eject the spent casing, and load a new round from a magazine, leaving the gun in a ready to fire condition with the pull of the trigger

    An automatic does the same thing, but will also fire the hammer on the next round if the trigger is held until there are no rounds left.

    A revolver is not a semi-auto because there is no magazine. Every round is held in its own chamber, which are rotated when the trigger is released.

    A pump-action shotgun is not a semi-auto because you have to manually rack the pump to eject the spent casing and load a new onto into the chamber.

    There are semi-auto shotguns, however, that will cycle themselves similar to semi-auto handguns.

    Knowledge is power.
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    JXS Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Knowledge is power :D
    The AA 12 is a fully automatic shotgun and I believe is the only one available.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    "as if the cosmetics of a firearm somehow make it more lethal.... the only thing that does this is the person using it"

    People tend to forget that unless necessary the purpose of firearms is not to be lethal, but to deter others from being stupid, much like nuclear weapons.

    Here is a case in point:
    Russian man gives demonstration in the proper use of concealed weapon
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    I`m pretty sure the AA-12 isn`t available for civilian use.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    @MrPeabody: The purpose of the two great alliances in pre-WW1 Europe was to prevent war from breaking out--it was the nuke before we had nukes. Each army was so large, that if war broke out it would have been too devastating to handle. So the continent felt secure that the threat would prevent war from breaking out.

    ...and that turned out just fine, right?
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    December 24, 2012 at 2:54 am
    Knowledge is power,

    Some would consider bump-firing a form of automatic fire

    they havve even made bumpfire stocks to legally allow full auto on rifles, b/c technically the `s still semi
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 6:06 am
    Isn`t bump firing horribly inaccurate, as no doubt is something like the AA 12 (I think the Saiga 12 can be converted to behave in the same way). They sound scary as hell, but pro gun control as I am, I have to agree with the pro gunners here.. The person that uses it makes a difference, an AA-12 in anyones hand`s is a dangerous thing, but not as bad as someone accurate and methodical with a handgun, or an AR15 as in the last shooting.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 6:12 am
    @5cats..

    Like any nerd, I`m fascinated with how things work, and indeed, there are some semi-auto revolvers, including this Mateba.

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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 6:35 am
    funny!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 24, 2012 at 8:21 am
    VV Interesting discussion!
    I compared the revolver to a semi-auto because that`s the "wrong term" too, eh? But it`s less wrong that the MSM`s labeling of every gun as an "assault rifle", which is dead wrong!

    Yes, it`s about the reloading process.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    December 24, 2012 at 9:29 am
    @DrProfessor
    "...and that turned out just fine, right?"

    If my memory serves me, the Central Powers were stopped from seizing control of Europe. In your world, the Allies would not have had the means to defend themselves, and would have been conquered.
    Also you might want to note that in both ww1 and ww2, the Allies stopped the aggressors, but did not destroy them. This would not have been the case had the Allies not been properly armed, and therefore defeated.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 10:59 am
    whodat: I wish the AA12 was available to civilians it`s a damn cool gun.

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