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  1. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    November 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Link: Congratulations To Palestine - Overwhelming majority of UN member states vote recognise state of Palestine.
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    Twinklestein Male 30-39
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    December 2, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    "non-member observer state"

    Sounds like they still have a long way to go.
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    The U.S.A. votes against. What a surprise. Your jewish overlords are still f***ing you up the ass.
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 12:11 am
    This seems a good step in a very long way to a peaceful solution.
    (Don`t ask me how the solution will look like)

    Luxemburg voted yes.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 12:23 am
    Snoopy, "Jewish overlords"?


    It`s interesting that most of the countries that voted yes are Authoritarian. Awesome club the UN has become. Churchill was right all the way back in the 50`s.

    Democracies mostly abstained.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 12:51 am
    You can give the Palestinians whatever you want. They will still, and will always want to rid the Earth of the Jews.

    Supporting them, is supporting genocide.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 1:27 am
    i like turtles
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 2:00 am
    @auburnjunky- And you know this how? Do you have any idea why Palestinians attack Israel?
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 2:03 am
    @snoopy....

    they attack because they love to kill jews....... their god told them to... etc...

    you can`t rationalize insane...
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 2:06 am
    @Andrew155
    I think you should get your facts straight first before I answer you.

    facts
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 2:09 am
    @paco664- Are you serious? Do you REALLLY think they just like killing people? If so a I am sorry for you and your negligence.
    I guess their violence has nothing to do with Israel occupying their territory, expelling them from their villages, blocking their economy and humanitarian packages to Palestine.
    Nope, it`s just that they like killing them. It`s so fun.
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    Fancysucksss Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 2:42 am
    SnoopyBG is correct. Good facts by the way
  13. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:04 am
    "It`s interesting that most of the countries that voted yes are Authoritarian. Awesome club the UN has become. Churchill was right all the way back in the 50`s."

    It`s more interesting to see who voted no:

    Israel (well duh, obviously)
    USA (Israel`s b-- /`friends`/)
    Canada (America`s `friends`)
    The Czech Republic (famously xenophobic)
    And a block vote from the south pacific `nations`.

    Even my beloved nation, Britain, whose politicians have since the last war consistently and slavishly followed America into every act of poor diplomacy and ludicrous war, chose to abstain.

    Even Germany, a country whose special relationship with Israel has historically made them especially reluctant to do anything that would be seen as opposing Israel chose to abstain.

    In this vote, an abstention is a tacit approval.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:35 am
    #1 Was Hamas part of the "observer state" too?
    #2 Abbas chose to flog the "1967 Borders" dead horse, AGAIN! The PLO had 90%+ of that and chose to REJECT it. Seriously, the Olso accord was the breaking point, after that "negotiations" have been utterly futile.

    Israel gave ALL they could, it wasn`t enough, attacks and terrorism have NOT stopped, ever. So why should they talk with terrorists? Why obey the UN when their enemy ignores even the most basic human rights?
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:51 am
    Good for them.
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    Vimto Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 5:28 am
    You don`t eat pigs,
    We don`t eat pigs,
    It seems it`s been that way forever

    So if you don`t eat pigs,
    And we don`t eat pigs,
    Why not, not eat pigs together?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 6:00 am
    The UN paving the way for WW3 just as the League of Nations did for WW2. You`ve sided with people who want religous law, stone gay and use children as shields. Now you`ve shown them that tactic works great! Don`t be suprised when they stab you in the back.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 6:24 am

    Way to show the world you can be accepted while violation human rights constantly.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 6:26 am

    Who`s next, Talibanistan?
  20. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 7:08 am
    "Who`s next, Talibanistan?"

    They already have a country. You`re occupying it, remember?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 8:01 am
    They already have a country. You`re occupying it, remember?
    @Gerry, I had no idea you were in Afghanistan!

    That was a stupid comment @Draculya...
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 8:09 am
    "Way to show the world you can be accepted while violation human rights constantly."

    Aaah..the irony :) Seriously dude, try harder.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 8:19 am
    @Reignblazer

    "Seriously dude" isn`t any evidence that they aren`t. You`re blind if you think Israel is the bad guy on this. Although I don`t expect alot of Europe to have much regard for Jewish peoples saftey history shows it.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 9:42 am
    There are some f**king stupid people here. When Hamas says they don`t care about a two state solution..their only goal is to drive all Jews into the sea. For decades they blew up buses full of children and civilians. I am not saying Israel is 100% innocent, but to say they have no right to defend themselves is ignorant. SnoopyBG you are ignorant. They don`t attack bases...they attack stores and cafes. The reason that Auburn knows this is because he reads. PLO and Hamas have stated over and over again they want to kill all the Jews.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 9:42 am
    This doesn`t change the fact that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations that want the total destruction of all the Jews and Israel.

    At least Canada stood by Israel and the US.

    You Europeans seem to be hell bent on being complicit in a 2nd holocaust. You`d think doing so once before, you`d all have learned your lesson.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:05 am
    You Europeans seem to be hell bent on being complicit in a 2nd holocaust. You`d think doing so once before, you`d all have learned your lesson.

    League of Nations v2.0. Look how many there are happy they don`t have the balls to even pick a side just abstain. The UN`s a joke we need to withdraw.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:23 am
    I rather we stay out of their problems and let them blow each other into oblivion.
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:28 am
    I too would want the enemies, occupying my country adn expelling my people from our land dead. You Americans are such hypocrites. Palestinians want a state and jews off their land. You have a country and you still create tons of wars, killing people in other countries for money and oil. And yet the Palestinians are the bad guy. By your logic they should just give up their land, move out and die in a corner so Jewish people are not bothered and can peacefully take over the territory.
    Do you know why Europeans have a different opinion? Because propaganda in the USA is really doing it`s magic.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:29 am
    why, in the 21st century have we not moved beyond religious sympathy? oh yeah... because evolution is slow. meh. the sooner you all kill yourselves off the sooner the rest of us can have a secular society. "peace in the middle east", what a joke. shouldn`t you freak-o`s be preparing for the rapture?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:31 am
    @SnoopyBG

    Bet your from the UK. When you going to give Northern Ireland back then? Talk about hypocrites.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:35 am
    Two things:

    1) You can`t moderate an argument between two people if you refuse to acknowledge the rights of one person. That`s why it`s absurd for the U.S. to oppose statehood recognition as a term of the peace plan. Give them their dignity, and they`ll be more willing to work.

    2) Israel itself doesn`t seem to have much interest in the peace plan, because they are now expanding their settlements in the occupied territories.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:42 am
    Stop listening to SnoopyBG. he has no idea what the hell he is talking about.
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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 10:48 am
    I agree with FoolsPrussia
    For half a century Israel has been saying its actions are about security. Anyone watching them can see that it is just a land grab. Even right now they are snatching up more land.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:13 am
    I agree with FoolsPrussia
    For half a century Israel has been saying its actions are about security. Anyone watching them can see that it is just a land grab. Even right now they are snatching up more land.

    Ya it`s not like every country surrounding them was trying to kill them.... Oh no wait they were which is how they got that land.
  35. Profile photo of scapegoat7
    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Those other countries never cared until they took that land by force.
    Even so, I`m pretty sure that treating the Palestinians as equals, and not taking even more land, would go a longs way toward peace for Israel.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Israel`s done with "open discussions" as they well should be! For decades the PLO has flogged the same horse, never willing to compromise one inch!
    So after the last Accord was rejected by the PLO, again, the IDF built the security fence.
    Israel on one side, "palestine" on the other.

    Gaza IS the Palestinian State, ruled by Hamas, look how well that`s going!

    Now Israel can negotiate from strength, something Arabs (and leftists) will have to get used to...

    Why exactly DO leftists support the PLO?
    NO gays, NO women`s rights, NO abortion, NO seperation of church and state (Islam IS the State!) NO equality... the same list of things the left hates about every other group, EXCEPT the PLO.
  37. Profile photo of scapegoat7
    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Nobody supports the crazy political parties like Hamas, just the right for Palestine to be a recognized state. With all the same rights as Israel.Most of the world agrees with this, not just people on the left, even many jews agree this is the path to peace.

    Many of the war-hawks hate this. A lot of the war-hawks are on the right though, unless your libertarian. Maybe thats why you think the left is against Israel. While both parties cater to the lobbies, the right is way more sold-out to the companies that profit from war. You will never hear people on the right (unless your libertarian) try to cut our military budget.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    Nobody supports the crazy political parties like Hamas

    Then how do they exsist?
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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    Im pretty sure they were voted in. You know, that thing called democracy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    So then that would mean most support a terrorist group. Meaning the UN just showed their support for a terrorist state?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    Bet your from the UK. When you going to give Northern Ireland back then? Talk about hypocrites.
    I wish you`d stop wheeling out this stupid analogy. I`m FROM Northern Ireland, it`s nothing like Israel/Palestine. Give it back to whom? It was never taken from anyone. The people of Northern Ireland WANTED to be part of the UK rather than joined with the Republic of Ireland. And a 2009 poll shows this is still the case - 69% of people in Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK and 21% want to be part of a united Ireland.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    why are we still in the U.N.?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    Nobody supports the crazy political parties like Hamas, just the right for Palestine to be a recognized state.
    @scapegoat7: SO! The properly elected Ruling Party is no good? How "liberal" of you!

    So "no one supports them" but they won the majority in the election...
    And absolutely rule Gaza, the de-facto Palestine, while Abbas hides in Israel-governed West Bank...

    Really? O`really?

    @davymid: So let`s have an election in Israel? Oh wait, they do that! Majority Rules only when it suits your slant, eh?

    Isn`t that what ALL the fighting was (still is?) about in North Ireland? That some wanted to merge with the rest of Ireland and others didn`t?
    Orange vs Green?
    Serious question: You`re an expert on the topic, not me!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    I always get that joke wrong:
    "Oh, really?"
    "No! O`Reily!"

    Two Ronnies?? Or is it older?
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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    5cats- You recognize America as a nation, with all the rights that entails BUT you don`t have to support Obama.

    When I meant no one supports Hamas I was talking about the UN countries supporting all of Hamas` crazy views. Many nations continued to work and talk with us during the Iraq war, even though they didn`t support the war.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    @scapegoat7: ALL the Arabic & Muslim nations support Hamas, period. Finances, military, political support, ALL of that!
    Abbas is a side-show freak, a "President" without winning the election? wtf?
    He`s the header of a political party, NOT the elected leader of the Palestinian peoples.

    If he was a leader he should move them all to Jordan, where they form the majority, and get rid of the "Minority King" AND his Palestinian wife too...

    Re-name "Jordan" which is short for "Trans-Jordan" and presto! Palestinian Homeland that isn`t Gaza!

    Easy-peasy! My work here is done. :-)
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    you may as well have just titled that:
    "Congratulations World War III! You`ve been given the green light!"
  48. Profile photo of scapegoat7
    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    @5cats- All middle east countries support each other????? WTH

    Give them Jordan`s land? Why not just let them keep the land they already have.

    Your like a child. I really hope your either drunk or high. or the worlds best troll.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 3, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    More than half of the UN member states are two-bit socialist dictatorships, so a vote of the UN General Assembly to support a gang of filthy, depraved barbarian terrorists over a civilized western democracy should come as no surprise.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:16 pm
    Give them Jordan`s land? Why not just let them keep the land they already have.

    What`s the difference between Jordan and Palestine?

    Serious question. I suggest you look into it so that you can answer your own question.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    Isn`t that what ALL the fighting was (still is?) about in North Ireland? That some wanted to merge with the rest of Ireland and others didn`t?

    It`s far more complicated than that and far uglier. People in the USA have almost always been fed a hugely simplified and biased view. It`s not even possible to get to the roots of the conflict - they are literally prehistoric. The earliest historical records we have are conflict - Irish raiders and slavers attacking Britain and the Roman empire meddling with Irish civil wars.

    You`re referring to William of Orange, who usurped the throne of England in a coup which resulted in an English civil war being fought in Ireland with many Irish people on one of the sides...the side that lost. William persecuted the Irish for that, but the underlying reason for it all (coup, war and persecution) was religion. Same with Cromwell, the foul bastard.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    If davymid can answer your question fully in 500,000 characters, I`d be impressed. In 1000 characters, it`s impossible.

    If I could go back in time to kill one person, I think it would be Cromwell. He`s certainly on a very short list. Many, many people would have been better off if he died young.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 1:39 am
    A terrorist state! Way to go U.N.! Hey,let`s go kill children and puppies now!!!
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:49 am
    So Palestine is recognized as a state, 32 United Nations member states do not recognize the State of Israel. But Tibet never existed, it was always China since 1368, then reappeared 1949 to get the UN to accept Nepal, then poof gone again. Taiwan is the same, China is just gearing up its military for a really cool parade in Taiwan, since it`s just "One Country, Two Systems." If it weren`t for the UN I might have been confused.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 5:17 am
    @davymid

    Yes nothing like it at all LOL! The whole over 100 years of fighting yep they want to be part of the uk sure. The UK is blind this is absolute proof.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 5:24 am
    Don`t follow people who wear blue combat gear....

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Decent synopsis, Angilion.

    Yes nothing like it at all LOL! The whole over 100 years of fighting yep they want to be part of the uk sure. The UK is blind this is absolute proof.
    I said the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK, which hasn`t changed since Northern Ireland was created in 1921 (91 years ago, not sure about you "over 100 years"). The "fighting" in Northern Ireland was terrorist groups such as the IRA, UVF, UDA etc. That doesn`t represent the will of the majority.

    Sorry McGovern, your knowledge of Northern Ireland appears to be lacking, and as Angilion points out, it`s extremely complex. I suggest you stop using it as any kind of example of the UK`s hypocrisy. You know, since they won`t "give it back" and all.
  58. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 10:21 am
    @davymid

    There was fighting before 1921 you should know that.

    The "fighting" in Northern Ireland was terrorist groups such as the IRA, UVF, UDA etc. That doesn`t represent the will of the majority.
    Which has been between Protestant and Catholics now how is this not like Israel and Palestine again?

    I suggest you stop using it as any kind of example of the UK`s hypocrisy. You know, since they won`t "give it back" and all.

    Now aren`t you saying Israel should give it`s land back but the UK will keep what it did exactly the same for, infact they actually did much worse things. Sounds to me like the definition of hypocrisy.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    Give them Jordan`s land?
    It may have "eluded you" @scapegoat7, but Palestinians are already the MAJORITY there! I just said to change the name, and replace the Monarchy with democracy, see? Easy.

    I did NOT say "support each other" dumbass: I said Arab (Muslim) Nations support HAMAS and NOT Fatah.

    @Angilion: Thanks for the effort, I didn`t realize it went that far back.

    @richanddead: Excellent points! The UN has a poor history of understanding history...

    @davymid: On the surface, it sounds like MacGovern is right. Even worse: Jews have a legitimate claim to the area dating back 3,000+ years. Muslims didn`t even exist back then!

    So the Orange Protestants and the Green Catholics, fighting over the same land since 1690, has nothing in common with Israel?
  60. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    Sheesh. This thread is old. I never once said that the conflict in Northern Ireland has nothing in common with the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Neither have I ever posted an opinion supporting one side or the other on that matter.

    What I said was, to suggest that the hypocritical UK should "give back Northern Ireland" is ridiculous. Again I ask, give it back to whom?

    For the analogy to work, several things would have to happen.

    1. The UK would have to be unilaterally in support of Palestine, and against Israel. It`s not.

    2. The UK is not building homes in Kilkenny, Cork, and Dublin exclusively for Protestant Brits. Look, the population of Northern Ireland (part of the UK) wants, overwhelmingly, to be part of the UK. The population of Palestine, on the other hand, emphatically does not want to be part of Israel.

    See the difference?

    Anyways, I`m going to leave it here. Laters.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    Good reply @davymid, even though you`re done here I`ll respond. I`d say "riposte" but few would understand that word...

    #1 We`re not saying "The UK" are being hypocrites, we`re saying "pro-PLO" people should apply the SAME RULES to North Ireland... or any "disputed territory" on Earth! Equality under Law, correct?

    #2 Imagine the UN forbids any "new housing" in NI starting in... 1970 (for example). "Only until `The Troubles` are resolved" of course...

    ALL new homes built by Protestants must have UN approval. Certain areas, not others, certian numbers, never more! Of course Catholics can build all they want!

    What would the situation be like today?

    It`s ultimate hypocricy to say ONE side cannot build, but on the same "disputed land" the other side can!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2012 at 5:33 am
    vv Exactly!
  63. Profile photo of scapegoat7
    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2012 at 8:09 am
    It is true that Jordan is home to almost 2 million Palestinian refugees, but almost 400,000 live in refugee camps.

    The argument that the majority of Jordanians are of Palestinian origin and that Jordan is therefore already the de facto homeland of the Palestinians is hypocritical and erroneous.

    There are no precise statistics but it is true that at least half of Jordan`s population of about 6.2 million people are of Palestinian origin. But that is a result of Israeli expansionism and a deliberate policy of emptying Palestinian lands of Palestinians.

    If Jordan was the original home of the Palestinian people, Israel would not have had to demolish around 450 Palestinian villages or to devise policies to expel the Palestinian population.




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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2012 at 8:10 am
    Plus, there was already a community with its own traditions, costumes and dialect specific to the east of Jordan before the establishment of Israel.

    Furthermore, the whole principle of evicting a population, erasing their villages, and bringing in settlers so as to change an area`s demographics is simply immoral and illegal under international law.

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