Concealed Carry Permit Holders Vs Real Life

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago in Misc

Some are put to the test. Do they live in a dream world?
There are 100 comments:
Male 21
How convenient that the intruder knows exactly who has the weapon therefor can aim at the correct person right away, If it were an attack the shooter would have no clue who did and did not have a gun. biased BS, Not That I am for concealed weapons
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Male 505
@cityncolour, wasn`t saying it was anything other than an opion, I agree fully that trying to take anything meaningful from this `experiment` is not worth the effort.
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Male 15,832
[quote]the guy rushes in and shoots the person with the concealed gun right away.[/quote]
You obviously don`t know the definition of the word "concealed." Allow me to educate you:

Con`cealed" adj. Hidden; kept from sight.

So, is your shooter psychic?
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Male 15,832
[quote]This is America. We don`t arm our teachers.[/quote]
I know, this is why our children are being slaughtered.

And I`ll bet your brother f***s women, but that doesn`t make you any less gay.
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Male 10,855
[quote]teacher if she chooses arm herself[/quote]

"he/she" and "him/herself"

fix`d
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Male 10,855
[quote]Yes Crakrjak that was a great retort that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about.[/quote]

For one thing, it should be up to the teacher if she chooses arm herself. Secondly, do you honestly believe an armed teacher is going to be a significantly greater threat to their students?
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Male 1,196
the guy rushes in and shoots the person with the concealed gun right away. If you are in a room full of people wearing overly baggy white t shirts and you target the only one who has the gun, of course you will shoot him before he shoots you.

I think guns are far more useful in homes as last resort weapons or in certain situations like a mugging.
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Male 4,864
Yes Crakrjak that was a great retort that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about.
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Male 379
@Finker
that isn`t an observation it`s an opinion. just like the video said, in high stress situations you get tunnel vision and an untrained gunman (which most are) would likely fall to the same tendency. Additionally, i think it would be safe to assume that such a gunman would not expect to find someone shooting back at him, in this scenario, not only did he expect it, but he knew where it would be coming from. the only "evidence" you could take away from this "experiment" is the chaos reactions and the tunnel vision effect... which i think are pretty well understood at this point.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: Great retort. :-)
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Male 10,855
[quote]We are the land of the free not the paranoid.[/quote]

Right which is why we shouldn`t be freaking out over gun owners.
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Male 4,864
"I know you`re wrong, and I`ve never heard of Larry Pratt."

Right. What is that your fifth lie in a row? A self proclaimed Fox New junky doesn`t know who Larry Pratt is yet parrots his every word.

"Your hysterical and irrational fear of guns notwithstanding..."

Where are you getting this from? My liberal brother owns a .357 magnum and a shotgun. I`ve gone into the mountains with him to shoot quite a few times. No wonder you have such an irrational hatred of liberals, you project things onto them that just aren`t true.

"...we know EXACTLY what happens when teachers and staff are DISarmed."

This is America. We don`t arm our teachers. We are the land of the free not the paranoid.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Ha ha. You know I`m right. You are just parroting Larry Pratt.[/quote]
I know you`re wrong, and I`ve never heard of Larry Pratt.

Your hysterical and irrational fear of guns notwithstanding, we know EXACTLY what happens when teachers and staff are DISarmed.
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Male 4,864
"That`s your response? How pathetic. I will take your ad hominem attack as your forfeiture of the argument and your declaration of intellectual bankruptcy."

Ha ha. You know I`m right. You are just parroting Larry Pratt.
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Male 4,864
A cop was overpowered today and had his gun taken away. The last thing we need to do is make guns more available to kids by arming teachers. I`m all for cops at schools if the districts can afford them but arming teachers is insane. It can not happen.
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Male 15,832
That`s your response? How pathetic. I will take your ad hominem attack as your forfeiture of the argument and your declaration of intellectual bankruptcy.
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Male 4,864
You are so unoriginal that not only is your whole insane idea of arming teachers someone else`s. You also use the same guys "blood on your hands" line to try and insult people. And who is this guy you are so mindlessly parroting? Why it`s Larry Pratt the biggest gun lobbyist in America. His whole goal is to sell more guns. That is it nothing else. He is like a lobbyist for big tobacco who would recommending more cigarettes as a solution to fight cancer.
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Male 15,832
[quote]There was an armed police office assigned to Columbine. That school was not a gun free zone.[/quote]
Every single school shooting has taken place in a gun-free zone. That`s an indisputable fact. Police officers are allowed to carry guns in gun-free zones. One officer cannot do the same job of protecting students as could dozens of armed teachers and staff. I think that was pretty well proven.


"Excuse me, officer, where`s the bathroom?"

"Oh, you go right down this hall and take a..."

"BANG!"

"Gee, thanks, officer. Now I have 20 minutes to kill as many kids as possible till your friends show up."


You`ll just have to excuse me if I get a bit churlish at people like you, who by advocating the establishment of these gun-free slaughterhouses are largely responsible for these mass shootings. A good amount of this blood is on your hands.
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Male 4,864
Whatever OldOllie. There was an armed police office assigned to Columbine. That school was not a gun free zone. The officer frequently walked the halls armed. If you are going to get this mad every time you are caught in a lie maybe you should be more honest.
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Male 15,832
[quote]How many of these people carrying weapons to `protect` will BECOME the shooter?[/quote]
So far, almost none. CCW holders are about 260 times LESS likely to commit a murder than the general population. There is also little if any evidence that the CCW permits were a contributing factor.
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Male 15,832
[quote]What I was clearly responding to was OldOllies constant lie that all school shootings have taken place in gun free zones.[/quote]
markust, it`s the absolute truth, and you`re a lying sack of $#!+.
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Male 4,864
"It`s convenient that the "Shooter" is a trained firearms instructor."

I don`t think it is a fair representation either. The shooter is usually more trained than the police for what they are about to do. Most train for months and sometimes more than a year for their killing spree. Plus they cary a semi-automatic instead of a pistol. It was a little lame of them to put the armed person in the same spot though. It raises suspicion that the shooters knew who had the gun. Or it could just be that a still target is more attractive than a running one. I think they did show a fair representation of how we may not be the hero we expect to be in the moment. From some of the comments I think that freaked people out a bit and they are over stating things. Let`s hope we`ll never have to find out how we will react.
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Male 5,624
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Cajun
This IS what it`s like and the bad guy IS the instructor from the CCW course.

This is how real people react in real danger.
Guy bursts into the room:
BadGuy: "Look, I told you to stay away from my wife!!" *BAMB!!! BAMB!!! BAMB!!!*

The time between "wife" and the third shot is .9 seconds.

What they didn`t highlight is the bad guy, the CCW INSTRUCTOR, isn`t hitting much either!
He aimed for Daniel`s chest, fired three shots and hit the top of her mask once.
She aimed for his head, fired three shot and hit him in the d*ck once.

I especially like how the third guy`s hand never left the f*cking desk!!
XD!!!
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Male 3,431
It`s convenient that the "Shooter" is a trained firearms instructor. Let`s change it up a bit and have a olunteer off the street play the role of shooter and arm a percentage of people in the room rather than have a single novice face off against one or more professionals.

If my options are to run away screaming, cower and be executed, or try, however feeble my attempt may seem, to fight back, I will choose to fight. If nothing else, I may save the life of another by drawing the gunman`s attention for a moment and catching a few bullets.
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Male 2,390
once again someone posts a bullpoo video.. this is nowhere near `real life`
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Male 496
LOL what a load of crap. I call shinnanigans
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Male 220
THE NRA SHOULD SEE THIS!! GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS... YEA RIGHT!
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Male 195
Should have had one group doing the training and another group doing the assault with neither knowing the set up. That would be real life.
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Male 195
It was rigged. The guy in the gun was always in the same place. When I am choosing a seat I would never sit front and center. The shooter knew exactly who and where to shoot. Plus they only gave them a few minutes with their rigging. Not to mention in the school shootings shots would already have likely been fired. True enough if I were on the wings I could have tackled the guy while who drew down on the student.
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Male 10,855
[quote]This IS what it`s like: The average shootout takes 8 seconds.[/quote]

This isn`t about how long, it`s about how well trained. Most states are shall-issue, meaning people have to go through checks, which can include training, meeting such criteria you WILL get licensed. As the pro-gun side has pointed out there are very real situations where guns have stopped and prevented crimes.
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Male 4,864
@McGovern1981, "That gaurd bought people time and most definatly saved lives. He also helped response time by working with SWAT giving them info on what was happening. Not really making a good case against armed police in schools. Want another look up the Pearl High School shooting. Never heard of it? That`s cause an armed teacher stopped it and the media couldn`t continually shove it down your throat."

You are so frustrating with your strawman arguments. I was not making a case against having cops at schools. If a school district can afford security I am all for it. What I was clearly responding to was OldOllies constant lie that all school shootings have taken place in gun free zones. @FoolsPrussia clearly understood what I was saying. If it makes the most sense to arm our teachers why does OldOllie have to lie to prove his point?
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Male 5,624
[quote]this entire experiment is setting up the student to fail and is absolutely no proof[/quote]
They aren`t setup to fail. If anything, they were very generous.
This IS what it`s like: The average shootout takes 8 seconds.

They were generous because they gave the test cover. In reality, cover does not stop slugs, it`s only good if the active shooter does not yet have you in focus.

Say you fire a slug in your house at an actual bad guy. You miss and:
-it goes through the wall
-into the street
-into the neighbors` home or car.
You are still liable.
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Male 505
@cityncolour, he turns towards the one person holding a gun which is visible. I think the test is a nonsense but if you only one person in a row is pointing a gun at you then which one would you shoot. I agree he was in a prominent position and there are any number of possible outcomes in real life but training helps you look for threats and the shooter was more trained than anyone else in the scenario. I`m not saying this is what would happen om real life every time but that there is a greater chance of a person holding a gun being the one shot. I am not trying to present that as an anti gun argument just an observation.
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Male 612
this entire experiment is setting up the student to fail and is absolutely no proof that concealed carry would not help save lives. but who would have ever thought that the news would be biased?
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Male 1,920
I`m also curious why all the anti-gun people have not told me what the woman in this video would have done without her gun? What do people in countries where guns are banned do when someone wants to enter their home and do them harm?

this video
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Male 1,920
As I mentioned the last time this was posted, the students who were given the guns knew they did not have live ammo in them, and the instructor who came in shooting was also using fake ammo. So to the student this would have appeared as some sort of demonstration, and would not react the same as in a real life situation.
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Male 4,431
@McGovern1981. Hey brother, once I retire, it`s a very real possibility. Or Canada. So, thanks, mate! I just might do it! :-)
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Male 143
I get the feeling that this "study" was pretty loaded. To get any sort of definitive evidence you would have to have a better sample than 3 and also make the placement in the class random, but what do you expect from national news. This is just trying to fish for viewers by implying a controversial argument against guns.
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Male 79
The test would have been better if the attacker didn`t know which person had the gun. Also, I don`t own a gun, but I do have a concealed carry permit. I took the class so that I could learn more about firearm safety. I found the 45 min class inadequate, and we only spent 10 min actually handling a gun.
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Male 3,631
Good point about the holster too - and those shirts were rather long. Perhaps they were trying to imitate the `worst` case scenario for carrying a concealed weapon, and being put in a situation to use it. I still got a kick out of those kids who stood up and took action though.
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Male 3,631
Good point cityNcolour - I thought they did an earnest job of training the students, and preparing them for a surprise scenario. I`ve always been a proponent (or at least, never been an OPPONENT) of right to carry laws for those with the responsibility to use them. I`ve now been introduced to all of the training that goes into blocking tunnel-vision, overcoming the `deer in headlights` response that even police officers deal with and practical things like getting your weapon stuck in your goddamn shirt *facepalm.* There is a different physiological reaction when YOU`RE the target, as opposed to firing on one which presents no threat to you. I think they did a good job of presenting that side in this report. However, as to your point of whether or not the gunman (who was in the know) was deliberately picking out the student who was packing - or rather, arguably the one who drew attention to themselves by moving in the manner they did - I can`t be sure.
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Male 379
an additional note... that holster they were given..? that is not a "concealed carry" holster. it is designed to be worn over clothes not under them and definitely not designed to have the gun withdrawn quickly.
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Male 379
@Finker
watch again, the shooter pretty much immediately turns on the student with the gun right after the teacher. i would put money on the fact that if you moved the student to random places that the intruder is unaware of, not to mention make the shooter as inexperienced as the rest of them and you have totally different results. what those results would be..? who is really to know. but i guarantee they wouldn`t be so one sided.
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Male 379
@lt633c
i completely agree. while this "experiment" gave an interesting perspective on the topic, it is completely flawed.
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Male 505
@lt633c, I agree this test is nonsense but that the lad with the gun was hit most times by the expert with the gun suggests maybe you make sure you take down the one with the gun? Not sure it is strange.
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Male 143
A better test would have been to not tell the suspect ( frearms instructor ) that there was an armed student in the classroom......the results may have been completely different....Or better yet, have the armed student walking by out in the hallway, again unknown to the suspect. This test was crap.
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Male 184
@Ozmose- "This video is so moronic because they took a bunch of college kids and put them in a situation they weren`t prepared for."- That was the point of the video. They actually gave the people MORE education than required to conceal carry and they were STILL useless with their firearms. I think you and the makers of the video are in agreement. We need to reform the system, not prohibit guns or even the right to carry.
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Male 51
to quote another person on here, biased media is biased
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Male 143
Doesn`t anyone else find it strange that they placed the armed student in the same seat for each scenario ? And that the armed student was the focus of the suspects attention and received the most rounds, especially the last test subject.And how many students were able to escape while the suspect`s attention was on the armed student? ALL of them ? Add to it that the suspect was the firearms instructor that trained them, and despite the masks, he has an idea what the "armed student" looks like. Throw in that the test was conducted by a left leaning organization, I agree with BBJellyfish. This was propaganda b/s.
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Male 14,331
@SmagBoy1

Have fun there!
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Male 4,431
Australia. That is all.
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Male 450
This is kind of an idiotic test
I have my CCW, and I train constantly. That`s something every person who has one should be required to do. I honestly think it should be mandatory that we go down and requalify on a regular basis to keep the permit. When I took my class, 90% of the people there were senior citizens who could barely hold the gun up, let alone hit the target that was a whopping 8 feet in front of them. One idiotic old man accidentally fired a round into the ground a few feet in front of me. He passed!
It takes years of practice to be skilled with a handgun. The problem is everyone thinks they are, because the can hit paper from a bench rest on a quiet sunny day. Half my shooting drills are pulled straight from Military/LE handbooks.
What we need, is to raise the bar on CCW holders, not revoke them all. This video is so moronic because they took a bunch of college kids and put them in a situation they weren`t prepared for. Like piloting a 747 after a 3 hour f
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Male 3,445
@MeGrendel: Of course there are instances in which the gun did stop the crisis. The point is that you guys are always saying the mass murders take place in "gun free zones," which is what I was refuting.
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Male 184
The point of the video was that these people actually received MORE training than what is required for the average concealed carry permit. I see a lot of you missed that.
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Male 459
Hmm, I`m not totally happy with the test either, and I`ll concede that the pro CCW camp makes some good points. However, the biggest problem I see with more people carrying pistols has nothing to do with any of this, It`s the fact that EVERYONE has their breaking point. How many of these people carrying weapons to `protect` will BECOME the shooter? road rage, domestic/neighbourhood disputes, just the amount of arseholes out there are going to exacerbate the number of outbursts that happen every day that end up with someone losing it and shooting someone. If you get into an argument for example, that becomes a fistfight, that you start to lose, and you`re carrying a pistol on your hip,aren`t you more likely to use it and turn that situation worse? instead of escaping with a bruised eye or swollen lip, someone is now dead. I just can`t see how shootings are going to LESSEN with MORE guns being carried by citizens.
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Male 14,331
@markust123

That gaurd bought people time and most definatly saved lives. He also helped response time by working with SWAT giving them info on what was happening. Not really making a good case against armed police in schools. Want another look up the Pearl High School shooting. Never heard of it? That`s cause an armed teacher stopped it and the media couldn`t continually shove it down your throat.
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Male 579
Wow, you lefties are a desperate lot.
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Male 33
Blatant media bias is blatant.
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Male 14,331
This test is very inaccurate and was probably setup to be.
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Male 8,447
If your aim is to `prove` that concealed carry is useless, you can bias the `experiment` so that you will get that result.

In the same manner, had their aim been to `prove` that concealed carry was the way to go, they could have biased the `experiment` to where the carrier would have been successful every time.

This, in no way, represents `Real Life`.
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Male 7,774
Don`t let them take away your right to slay someone just because they P you off.
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Male 171
I wouldnt be able to get the gun out of the holster and/or shoot it.
But tunnelvision when stressed? I have more training in avoiding tunnelvision than police officers.
Even when under stress, you need to keep up your peripheral vision up, because if you stop looking at the minimap even for a couple of seconds, you are most likely gonna die!
Avoid tunnelvision, KEEP LOOKING AT THE MINIMAP!
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Male 9
if they want find if arming people will save lives?arm everyone in the class and see how many lives would have been saved. not just one person.
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Male 514
americans! Don`t let the gov`t take away your second amendment over a few insane people!
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Male 550
This is complete propaganda b/s
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Male 1,243
"Sorry, but these are bullsh|t `tests`. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest"

And pitting an untrained armed civilian against experienced armed criminals makes sense? Your argument works both ways dear boy.
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Male 1,243
Self defence doesn`t start with a gun or combat training. It does start with learning to read situations and have greater awareness of your surroundings so that conflict situations can be avoided or defused before any one gets seriously hurt. This should be the basis of all self defence training. Guns rarely help and more often than not escalate a situation quickly leading to fatalities that could be avoided. The argument for gun ownership in self defence without proper training is madness.
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Male 1,421
Every humanbeing on earth should be antigun. That`s the only way to solve this. On a surprise attack, CCW is useless. On an attack that you know is coming: why are you still there?

CCW is stupid as an idea, it`s downright dangerous. And trying to say that these people are more protected when they do have guns: in that off chance you need to use them to defend yourself: yes they are very very helpful. Not when you`re BBQing with you`re non-nice individual neighbours and you all have guns and start a drunken quarrel about that tree over there, it`s clearly on my yard!

Everybody having guns = smallest disagreements, road rage, you name it and way way more dead that what few deranged gunmen have done.. How many mass shootings vs how many unnecessary deaths do we get? How many murders US has per year that involves guns? Is that in anyway proportioned against other civilized western country? How can you be so stupid?
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Male 2,424
I like reading the youtube posts, wow that`s pretty low rated!
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Male 4,864
"In real life, a shooter has no idea how many guns he will be facing or who has them (unless, of course, he`s in a gun-free zone where he knows for certain he will NOT be facing an armed response, and where, by the way, every goddamned one these mass shootings have taken place)."

You`ve had BS called on you many times on this. Now you are just blatantly lying. There was an armed sheriff`s deputy assigned to Columbine who was on site the day of their shooting. He got into a fire fight with Harris after two students were killed. It did no good. Harris went back in the school and helped kill eleven more people. Having an armed sheriff`s deputy did nothing to stop that horrible massacre. This was not a gun free zone. This officer frequently walked around armed inside the school. You`re a liar and a partisan tool.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Here is how some reacted:[/quote]

This article doesn`t really present a compelling case against gun ownership. But it does demonstrate that humans, above all else, screw up. So, either the cops screwed up or they followed protocol in which case the protocol must be changed.
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Male 15,190
PEW PEW! Everybody dies.
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Male 2,220
and if you disagree.. you really are delusional :)
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Male 2,220
"Sorry, but these are bullsh|t `tests`. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest."

Biased or not, isn`t this an important point?

Trained professionals >> random citizens.
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Female 1,467
So having a gun deters crime; however, using that gun is a death sentence for some instead of maybe ten years they would get. So then it comes down to the responsibility of the gun owner to not be an asshat because we "want" criminals rehabilitated.
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Male 15,832
This is totally bogus.

First, these were untrained and inexperienced subjects who were not CCW permit holders.

Second, the shooter probably knew which student had the gun, or he at least knew that he would be facing only one gun held by someone who didn`t know how to use it. In real life, a shooter has no idea how many guns he will be facing or who has them (unless, of course, he`s in a gun-free zone where he knows for certain he will NOT be facing an armed response, and where, by the way, every goddamned one these mass shootings have taken place).

Third, these quick-draw scenarios happen very rarely. More often, the shooting starts some distance away, and you have much more time to respond.

Finally, are they actually saying you would have had a BETTER chance of surviving if you were unarmed? How do you do that, just try to swim to the bottom of the barrel?
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Male 9,543
DingDingDong

"Let`s see how a police officer would have reacted."

Here is how some reacted:
http://tinyurl.com/9c37fxr

9 bystanders shot.

Guns for everyone!
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Male 4,864
Curbing gun violence is not a partisan issue. Those on both sides that are making it so are assh*les. We need to look at all ideas and come up with the best solution. You can not do that by only looking at one side.
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Male 148
Wasn`t the case here that these people did not actually hold CCWs and had 0 training beforehand?

Sounds pretty biased to me.
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Male 955
I`m not sure why you`re even trying to convince the pro-gun advocates on this site otherwise. They`re pretty delusional thinking a CCW will solve everything and be the end all for the issue.
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Male 10,855
Seems to me the media really has been going gun crazy lately. A lot of stories that would normally be reserved to local news outlets are being reported by the national media.
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Male 1,920
If this woman did not have her gun what would have happened to her and her baby? If the police did not get there in time to save the robber from the woman, would they have been able to save her if she did not have a gun?

Woman protects herself and baby from robbers entering her home
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Male 1,510
Biased reporting much?!?
I`ll have to stop wearing my baggy white t-shirts now.
How about a control test? Let`s see how a police officer would have reacted. Especially the test with two gunmen. This is dumb and one-sided.
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Male 638
"If you watch, the shooter that enters the classroom goes almost immediately for the person with a concealed weapon. The shooter has foreknowledge of the weapon holders location. Let`s have 2-5 weapon carriers in random spots, then see how the shooter fares. "


Not to mention the shooter in the clip is also a trained police officer.
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Male 3,908
Nice, another pointless "news report" that can easily be discredited. They take a few average Joe`s off the street with little to no training (100 hrs handling a gun is not what I`d call experience) to see how they`ll react in an adrenaline fueled fight-or-flight situation. Those who are properly trained to handle situations like this (especially military/police) are able to override the natural reaction most have which is to either flee, hide, or just freeze up, and know how to keep their cool under fire. This "test" proves nothing except the fact that the media is clearly anti-gun and trying to make their viewers anti-gun as well.
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Male 17,512
So, the firearms instructor, who taught these people, knows who is armed and knows exactly who to shoot first. Not even a trained cop could react that fast.

Btw, they gave them those thumb lock holsters, which are notoriously hard to manipulate for beginners. Then made him wear gloves, which makes drawing the Glock even harder, and on top of that it`s stuffed under his shirt.

Sorry, but these are bullsh|t `tests`. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest.
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Male 1,920
What do you do when some punk splits your head open with a baseball bat?

One old man with a pistol bests three teenage robbers

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Male 8,447
FoolsPrussia-"that failed to stop the event."

And yet,

we can offer many instances

where a gun DID stop the event.
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Male 3,445
I think it`s important to note that there were people carrying guns in both the Columbine and Tucson mass shootings that failed to stop the event. There was a sheriff`s officer at Columbine who exchanged fire with the shooters, and missed every time, and there was a citizen with a gun in Tucson who couldn`t get a clean shot off, due to the possibility of hitting someone else.
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Male 376
It`s a good thing most people doing go out wearing large, awkward head gear and unnecessarily baggy shirts in the real world.
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Male 802
If a random shooter with extensive training decides to target you almost immediately then your concealed weapon won`t be very useful. This doesn`t seem like a very scientific test though. Might be more interesting if the shooter didn`t know there was an armed person inside and if both people had the same amount of training.
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Male 1,586
@Rubins that`s exactly what I was thinking. How can this be considered viable when the "attacker" goes straight for the person he knows has a gun.
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Male 392
RubinRybnik - Not really. The video clearly showed their shooter firing at the teacher first, then often working their way from the teachers right around where the holder was. It`s blatantly obvious just watching the video, so don`t try to make things up.

But of course you`d try to debunk this video, wouldn`t you? Everyone else in the world knows how moronic it is that Americans have such easy access to guns, and they can see from this video alone that these people are useless.

Lets be honest, even if they did have more holders in the room, they`d still suck. Everyone in the first video was horrible so what makes you think they`d be any better if they were all in a room together? Come on, man.
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Male 12
If you watch, the shooter that enters the classroom goes almost immediately for the person with a concealed weapon. The shooter has foreknowledge of the weapon holders location. Let`s have 2-5 weapon carriers in random spots, then see how the shooter fares.
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Male 1,293
So all the opponents of concealed carry say it will increase gun violence. In all cases where it has been allowed having been banned, gun violence goes down.

Who is living in dream worlds, and who in real life?
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Male 3,121
If one wants to carry a concealed weapon with the idea of being prepared for random events, then you must prepare for random events. Strapping a gun on with little or no training in drawing, handling and firing in simulated scenarios is useless; That`s why cops train extensively.
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Male 3,445
This is the video I tried to link to a week ago.
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Female 8,043
Link: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Vs Real Life [Rate Link] - Some are put to the test. Do they live in a dream world?
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