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37 Responses to Child Circumcision – Harmful Or Beneficial?

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 18, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    Link: Child Circumcision - Harmful Or Beneficial? - To cut or not to cut, that is the question. Why is the practice common in U.S. hospitals and not in other countries?NSFW
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2012 at 4:23 pm
    I had mine done for medical reasons as a baby...so for me here in the UK it was definitely beneficial father than harmful.

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    icklevamp Female 18-29
    375 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    Weird how you can cut of a fairly important part of your boy child without judgement, yet you remove your daughters rather useless little toe and you`d be locked up for years.
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    Big61AL Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    it is mutilation - ask any woman if they will clip off part of their clitorus and see how many "yes" answers you get.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    It`s easier to keep boys clean behind their ears if you cut them off, too.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    It`s common in the USA because of the mass hysteria against masturbation in the 19th century.

    Don`t believe me? Check for yourself. It wasn`t much over 100 years ago, so many of the original material still exists. Genital mutilation was uncommon in the USA before then and it was hugely promoted very specifically to prevent masturbation - that is the cause of the current custom in the USA.

    The anti-masturbation hysteria wasn`t limited to the USA, but everywhere else that was affected got over it. Only the USA kept genital mutilation as a custom, with most of the mutilators completely ignorant of how the custom started. They just mutilate their children because it`s the custom to do so. They don`t see anything wrong in doing so, just like parents who impose other mutilations in other parts of the world. So why are they outraged at those other parents who are equally mindlessly following harmful customs?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    it is mutilation - ask any woman if they will clip off part of their clitorus and see how many "yes" answers you get.

    A more accurate parallel would be cutting off the clitoral hood and labia minora. Although it could reasonable be argued that would be less harmful because the clitoris would still be much less exposed than an unprotected penile glans.

    But your central point stands - *any* mutilation of a girl`s genitals would be both illegal and highly socially unacceptable in the USA, yet a fairly sizable mutilation of boys` genitals is normal. The sexism is clear and extreme.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    science says there is a greater risk of contracting AIDs if you`re uncircumcised.

    just because it was born of a religious belief doesn`t debunk the science of it. Blood letting was used by churches to "release demons," but its a commonly used practice in hospitals even today.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    "science says there is a greater risk of contracting AIDs if you`re uncircumcised. "

    This may prove to be beneficial in areas, such as parts of Africa, where AIDs is rampant and safe sex is not. But in countries where condoms are easy to come by, using circumcision as a method of very slightly reducing your chance of infection seems insane to me. I honestly don`t know how any guy can support that, and I`m a lady.

    If it`s done for medical reasons, that`s fine. If it`s done on infants who have no sign of problems, it`s not. We don`t take out tonsils at birth, we wait until there`s a problem first. The same should be done for an important part of the male sex organ, rather than removing it without their permission when nothing is wrong with it.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm
    darkmagic14n, also, just finished watching it, but the video talks about the supposed reduce in HIV. He mentions the problems with the study, for example, how the circumcised men had to wait a few weeks before having sex but the intact men didn`t.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    "science says there is a greater risk of contracting AIDs if you`re uncircumcised."
    Not because of the foreskin being presnt, but because guys with their whole penis get laid a lot more, thereby increasing the odds.

    Just my personal observation but opinions are as good as facts at IAB. Would you like me to make up a statistic to back that up?
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    shaustin Male 18-29
    143 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    @Gerry1of1 you just blew my mind... honestly, im circumcised and i barely get laid.... so your theory checks out so far lol
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    "because guys with their whole penis get laid a lot more, thereby increasing the odds."

    Why doesn`t this work for me?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    science says there is a greater risk of contracting AIDs if you`re uncircumcised.

    How many American infants are at risk of being infected with HIV as a result of putting their penis inside someone who is infected?

    It`s none, isn`t it?

    If someone who is old enough to make major decisions for themselves decides that they want unprotected sex badly enough to have part of their genitals cut off to reduce the risk of infection by much less than using a condom does, that`s their business.

    It does not excuse cutting parts of babies` genitals off because it`s a custom rooted in ludicrous religious hysteria that doesn`t even exist any more.

    Your argument is so weak that it isn`t even good enough to be considered clutching at straws.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    Also...about those studies you`re so eager to clutch at as an excuse for your cultural wish to mutilate infants. Did they take into account how often the men had sex and who with? It`s obviously a huge factor in HIV risk. Most of the men who were mutilated before were Muslims. Islam forbids sex outside of marriage. A non-trivial proportion of Muslims obey the rules of their religion, or at least some of them to some extent. That would obviously dramatically reduce the chance of getting infected with HIV.

    That`s just one possible factor. Did you even bother checking even just that one factor? I bet you didn`t.

    Have you taken any steps to check that the studies were comparing like with like, i.e. that the only factor was genital mutilation? Have you even thought about it? Have you even looked at the studies at all? Or did you just leap at any excuse to prop up the nasty religious custom you like?
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
    633 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm
    You can definitely tell who didn`t watch the whole video, this is what breeds ignorance. people will start arguing as soon as they read the title. instead of reading/watching all it contains. AND then posing an argument
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    December 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    why would anyone purposely chop off the end of some elses penis without even the possibility of consent from the individual? what if someone had the idea that it was culturally appropriate to chop off a childs eyelids....or their big toe....or their tounge. the end of the penis is there for a reason you twats, leave it alone.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 4:05 am
    I demand gender equality
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    Laran Male 40-49
    467 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 4:18 am
    male foreskins developed to protect the sensitive end of the penis.
    Because we wear clothes and underwear it becomes damp.This can lead to serious problems if not properly kept clean.Sometimes children will be a bit slack and in the worst cases ulceration can occur.I worked as a carer in the disability sector for several years and have had to report and get help for one of our Lads.it turned out that it required corrective surgery because the end had fused.
    He was unable to "get it up" without pain.
    I advocate circumcision for biological reasons not cultural or religeos ones.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 4:54 am
    Laran, you are right, there are medical reasons to do this, as listypoos allready said at the start.

    in cases of "we need to do this for his health" no one with a sane mindset would object (sane, offcourse, being subjective, but still)

    but this movie isnt about that, the discusion isnt about that, its about doing it for no reason other then "we think it may be better for him/her" . Be that religion at the back end of this all or not.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 6:31 am
    All natural here nature`s usually a pretty good designer for things BTW. Want something that shows you the train of thought for this practice this is what they do in Madagascar!! Safe for work but not the mind.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3283 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 7:36 am
    whats wrong genital mutilation. it fun for every one
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3283 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 7:38 am
    someone post penn & teller BS show about Circumcision
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
    2334 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 8:36 am
    Wow, not a single american person has stated that "it looks better cut" or "OMG FUNGUSDICK" yet.

    Perhaps there is still hope then.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Is a barbarian thing for barbarian people. If you are worried about hygiene wash yourself,soap was invented looong time ago. If you do it to your kids for religion...well not only you are barbarian but also you impose your drating ideals to a creature that can`t understand or choose anything. Cavemans!
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Unless clearly medically necessary any form of genital mutilation is child abuse clear and simple.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 11:18 am
    I advocate circumcision for biological reasons not cultural or religeos ones.

    If that was true then you`d be advocating it only when medically advisable (which is in very rare circumstances).

    If you`re advocating it in general, then you`re lying and you`re worse than the people who advocate it for cultural or religious reasons.
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    bloomi Male 18-29
    148 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    I`ve never understood the point of circumcision. Many people thorughout the world are uncircumcised and don`t have any problems. If it`s medically required allow it, but it should be banned at all other times.

    What would the people who do this say if we wanted to cut off some other part of their baby? They`d scream abuse, so why not with circumcision?
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    Laran Male 40-49
    467 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    @Angilion- you should be careful who you call a liar mate.
    I work for an organisation called Barkuma that cares for and employs people with intellectaul disabilities.
    part of my duties include the welfare of our clients (the supported employees).
    my OHS&W folder has quite a few cases of poor hygiene problems that are documented.
    We now have to train the guys (we usually show them little videos just like in school).
    unless you have a personal experience to relate, your opinion is just that -an opinion.
    It is not the sort of thing that is actually physically checked by a parent or carerand will often go undetected untill problems arise (or the smell makes you send them into the showers).
    Not one of the cicumcised guys has any problems,yet I have a folder full of reports starting with "XXXX presented to work this morning..."
    why am I argueing with the net-geniuses??
    People -you have been told.the rest is up to you.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    Laran, so instead of advocating for educating parents, specifically those where the man is circumcised but their child is not, on how to properly clean their child (and thus the child will know how to properly clean himself), you`re advocating for cutting off part of their child`s body without the child`s consent? That seems like a huge overreaction for an easy to solve problem. Teach proper care and stop spreading bs like "pull back the foreskin even though it`s not ready to be pulled back" and most of the cleaning issues will be resolved.
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    Laran Male 40-49
    467 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Lillian, If parants could do their job properly there would be no need for me to have to deal with it for them. it is stupid and sad but true.
    what happens when two people who can barely take care of themselves have a kid?
    (I should state right now that this is only my observations not any kind of official standpoint from Barkuma.)
    We have to teach our guys to cook,clean ,wash their clothes and themselves etc.- then try and police it.
    it can get into some pretty grey areas.
    Most of the guys are pretty high functioning and cope well with most day to day things by themselves- but some things like brushing teeth and cleaning bodily bits not so much.
    (and before you ask yes a lot of them have had all their teeth pulled by the dentist! )
    Anyway lillian you girls have a whole bigger set of your own problems to deal with.
    this should be more the concern of those that own the necessary equipment lol.
    we could debate for ages but this is probably not the plac
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    Laran, you completely avoided my point. You are advocating cutting off a healthy portion of a newborn because some people don`t know how to clean themselves, rather than actually teaching people how to clean themselves. We don`t cut off our hands rather than wash our hands. That`d be stupid!

    Just because I`m a woman doesn`t mean I shouldn`t be concerned with people purposefully harming infants and removing a part of their body without their consent. Since I`m an American, it`s something that affects nearly every man/boy I`ve ever known including people I care about. Of course I should be concerned with it. I know someone who was fine with removing her son`s foreskin without his consent but didn`t want to get her daughter`s ears pierced until she had a say in it. That kind of mindset is ridiculous.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 19, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    @Angilion- you should be careful who you call a liar mate.

    Why, are you going to hunt me down and mutilate me?

    Very few of the pathetic internet thugs are deranged enough and possess the resources to carry out on their threats.

    I didn`t even call you a liar. If you`re not able to read English well enough to understand what the word "if" means, that`s your problem.

    So...are you advocating genital mutilation only when it is medically advisable or are you advocating genital mutiliation for all male people or are you advocating genital mutilation for everyone? Do you consider consent to be of any importance at all?

    Answer the questions or carry on making a laughingstock of yourself. I don`t care which. The choice is yours.

    Oh, wait. You advocate not allowing people a choice. Does that mean you want me to force you to make a clear statement and answer questions? Or is a lack of choice something you only wa
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    jabman23 Male 18-29
    15 posts
    December 20, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    I`m going to go pet my penis and be thankful that I wasn`t circumcised, and go hug my parents.

    Probably not in that order.
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    December 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    That is seriously drat3d up. No anesthetic?
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    December 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    No, no, I have been mis-quoted. I repeat - THAT IS SERIOUSLY F..U..C..K..E..D UP.
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    Caretta Male 18-29
    540 posts
    December 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    I remember the day I was circumcised. Not everything...but bits of it.
    I was old enough to walk, somewhere between 2.5 to 5 years old. I remember standing in the hospital at some point after the procedure, with a towel wrapped around me.

    The pain was intense - until the towel touched me - at which point it felt as if my skin were burning, it was utterly excrutiating.
    I remember each bath I took while I healed.
    Submerging in water brought the same pain.
    I don`t have any related medical problems now, but I wonder what I`m missing and how it changed me.
    It was not my parents` right to choose.
    I don`t talk to them about this.
    Or very much in general.

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