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Date: 12/04/12 03:03 PM

24 Responses to Can Texas Secede from the Union?

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 4, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    Link: Can Texas Secede from the Union? - Can Texas, or any other state, become independent?
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    i`m not watching this, but the answer is `No`. If it was ever up to question, that question was resolved with the Civil War.

    I`m in the process of revising a lengthy research paper I wrote on nullification and state sovereignty, and the concept of the state as an entity with the ability to outright contradict federal law died with the Articles of Confederation. The only reason it cropped up afterward is because some states were so unwilling to admit to the change in dynamic under our current constitution that they reached for a defunct mechanism in trying to oppose the feds (usually over slavery).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    That would make the question a political one rather than a legal one:

    If Texas declared independence, how would the USA react?

    My guess is that it would be retroactively made legal in order to preserve the remainder of the union. It`s unlikely that either side would want a war.
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    Elevill Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    Wait, is this still a thing?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    Sadly it can`t. But I wish it would! 39 of the bad electoral votes would go with it. :-)
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    As a very wise man once said, "Texas ought be careful of agitating to secede, they run the risk of the rest of the country agreeing."

    Or another way of putting that, Texas, too small to be a Republic and too large to be an asylum.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    Texas, too small to be a Republic and too large to be an asylum.

    Texas is almost 3 times the size of the UK. It`s not too small to be an independent country.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    Wow Angilion, you just depressed me in .02 seconds. I think that`s a new record.

    We *can`t* have that. An entire Isle of classy, educated, proper gentlemen/ladyfolk with nice accents is smaller than Bubbaville down south yonder? We`re screwed.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    I love how they split off austin, lol
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    It`s not too small to be an independent country.

    The idea is absolutely absurd unless we`re willing wage yet another bloody (literally) war over it. We`re not people, I assure you America Texas ISN`T going anywhere (as this video obviously points out).

    BTW a more accurate map of the potential "divide"
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 5:49 pm
    Our current constitution dates back to 1876 BTW.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    Bummer
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    I don`t have to watch the video to know the answer is no.

    Here`s another White House Petition you may like:
    Deport everyone who signed a petition to withdraw their state from the United States of America
    There are currently 25,923 signatures so the White House has to respond.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm
    Violence is ultimately the determiner of the legality of secession.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    We *can`t* have that. An entire Isle of classy, educated, proper gentlemen/ladyfolk with nice accents is smaller than Bubbaville down south yonder? We`re screwed.

    One entire island, part of another and about 100 smaller populated islands off the coasts...and all together little more than a third the size of Texas.

    If I recall correctly, the UK is smaller than 12 of the states of the USA. It`s quite odd how much power such a small place acquired, especially as most of it was acquired by only a part of the UK (England had an empire before unification).

    Having said that, Rome started off as a minor city-state that was small and sparsely populated in comparison with most *counties* in the USA.

    Same background for both - attacked by everyone+dog and as a result developed a policy of "safety by conquering everywhere". The biggest wolf eats first.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    Oh, and we`re not an entire island like that. We`ve plenty of people who`d be right at home in Bubbaville. We also have a couple of hundred different accents. You`d probably be surprised at the degree of variation per mile in the UK. It used to be dozens of different countries and it shows. Prior to the homogenising effect of radio and TV, just a couple of dozen miles would take you to an accent different enough to affect communication, or even to a different dialect. Even now, it`s a very varied place.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    I will vote to let them...
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    Roland Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    Ok, they can`t secede, but can we force them out?
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2012 at 12:12 am
    Lol Texas, the size of Myanmar but with an economy the bigger than Australia and New Zealand combined.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2012 at 3:05 am
    No
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    December 5, 2012 at 4:23 am
    America, stealing countries is our thang. F*** Yeah!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2012 at 5:58 am
    @QueenZira

    You`ve nevr spoken to a person with a cokney accent I assure you they`re none of the things you said.

    @drawman61

    WTF does that have anything to do with this? Ya European countries never did that....
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    December 5, 2012 at 8:16 am
    We`ve gone thru the same nonsense with Quebec, but when push comes to shove, I think most Quebecois know that while independence works as a threat, it would not be the smartest move.
    There are almost 200 nations now, compared to about half that when I was a kid. The world is brimming with little countries that have broken off or apart , many of which are in far worse financial shape as a result, but, hallelujah, now don`t have to associate with "those horrible people who killed our martyr in 1657" or some such nonsense.
    I suspect the blush is off that rose for a lot of them.
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2012 at 9:19 am
    Can Texas secede? Of course they can, given the right political climate and public will.
    It`s lacking both of those just now, so the answer is no.
    As has been said, the legality is about might (physical or political), not right. The US can easily grant the right should it wish as the UK have done for Scotland (and just about every other nation that was part of the Empire..."oh, you want that back...er...OK"). But without a mandate from Texans, it just wont happen.

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