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Date: 12/22/12 05:32 PM

64 Responses to BBC Tries To Serve Search Warrant Over TV License

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8033 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Link: BBC Tries To Serve Search Warrant Over TV License - Any European I-A-Bers care to explain this TV License? Right or wrong I-A-B, a company being granted access to homes?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    "a private company"

    BBC is a public company.
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    sourkraut Male 40-49
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    "BBC"?
    Man, I watch way too much porn...
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    Most visits are sub-contracted from the BBC to a private company called Capita.

    It does all feel a bit antiquated now..

    Television licensing in the UK
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    The BBC is owned by the British government and is paid for by a fee for owning a TV. Much like car registration fees that are used to pay for roads, etc. Since hiding a TV is a simple thing, the enforcement officers have broad powers to enter your home if they believe you have an unlicensed TV.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    @Saurkraut? Sorry, don`t understand, oh... Brisbane Boys College?
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    funnehkitteh Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 22, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    The enforcement officers have *very* limited powers to enter your home.

    If only we had guns we could shoot them, rather than asking them to leave (which works - until they have a search warrant).

    When they have a warrant you have to let them in.

    This can only happen at least 7 days after they threatened to visit, so if you`ve still got Jeremy Kyle blasting out of the old goggle box, you really do deserve to get done.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    Let me get this straight, a judge issued a warrant to search for a television. Huh?

    How did they think whatever this bullpoo policy they dreamt up could ever be policed? Good job douchebags.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    Television was an extension of Radio BBC. Service is taxed. So if you choose to watch the programms, which are extensive in range ( everthing from News, comedy, wild life. Music, politics ...) the content is par excellene then you must pay the licenceing fee/tax. In addition to advertising income a much needed subsidy .
    BBC has employees that create the content & need to be paid.
    The logic behind the fee/tax is that that it`s paid by the public so it`s independant of commercial & political influences.

    Other `private` broading casting companies ( owned by Murdochs for e.g.) strated a self serving campaign to stop the subsidy. All the do is shove reality TV trash down viewers throat & promote a political candidate that they puppet.
    What is surprising is people happily pay for that garbage.

    This douchbags are watching the BBC but refuse to pay for it & company wants to make an example of it.
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    den3jlb Male 18-29
    364 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    Kick the door down, kick them in their face, then fine them for not having a license.

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    one47master Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    If you are watching live tv then you should pay the fee but the bbc have no right to enter a property to check. Police cannot demand access to any property to see if a murder has been committed if there is no evidence. If the "vans" picked up a signal coming directly from the house, that is reasonable evidence for a search warrant, but if not, they shouldn`t be able to get one. I do not watch live tv and have been harrassed by tv licensing a bunch of times but will always refuse them entrance on moral principles that i do not have to prove im not doing something. They have to prove i am
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    Urgh, those laughs at the end made me rage hard.

    Couple of daft wee boys learned a few legal terms and spouting them without a care for what they mean, completely incorrectly for the majority of the time. Only reason they are able to laugh at the end is because it would cost more to try and get them to pay it.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    That`s creepy that they would have vans monitoring whether or not a signal was coming from your house.
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    Baphxiii Male 40-49
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    December 22, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    Reminds me of the episode of "The Young Ones" with the TV Detector Man.
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    dreddfan Male 30-39
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    December 22, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    "Vivian, eat the telly!"
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    December 22, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    I`m not going to watch the whole damn thing but sounds to me like he`s being busted for stealing cable TV. If that`s the case then, the way it works here (I used to be a cable guy), is if someone`s caught with an illegal hook-up, first thing we`d do was disconnect the service and terminate the connection at the tap on the pole/pedestal and give them both a verbal & written warning. Then they`ll send someone back out periodically to check if they reconnected it. If they`re caught a second time the cable company will press charges and they`ll be served a summons to appear in court.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    Whodat, it`s not quite the same as stealing from a cable company. When TV first started in the UK there was only the BBC providing services (and Radio) and the service was publicly funded via the TV licencing fee...it was put into law that in order to watch TV you had to have the licence, and that the licence fee then went to the BBC.

    It`s basically a tax that goes to the BBC and they are responsible for collecting it.

    They used to have detector vans going round more...but to be honest they are a waste of space and usually only really contained basic EM detecting kit and reams of paper print outs of the database of houses not on record as having a licence already.

    In the military in barracks every person in the whole block still needed a separate licence for TVs in their rooms....but the CO used to deny them access until he`d warned us all they`d be coming round and at what time. We were told if we had no licence then to lock them up in our lockers and be o
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    How they `detect` people not having a licence now is a more advanced version of how they`ve always done it...except the database data is now gathered not just from people not to check on because they have data they`ve paid, but also when you purchase any device capable of picking up a live tv signal, whether it be a TV or PC with TV card etc. from any shop you are asked for your full address...shops generally tell you it`s for warranty records but really all the data is passed to the BBC so they can cross-check if that person already holds the licence or whether they need to be added to the `go round and try catch them watching it` list.
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
    202 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    Welcome to socialism.
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    xxsevynxx Male 18-29
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    December 22, 2012 at 9:25 pm
    You guys over in England sound alot like us Americans talking about it`s my right for this and that. only difference you guys have alot more patience if this was america either a) they would stormed in with guns pointed at you or b) they would of been tazed the moment they started to argue.
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
    406 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    lol in Denmark those thieving bastards just send you a bill and it op to you to prove you don`t have a TV. When you then try and prove it they can just say: "we don`t believe that claim" and if you turn around and don`t pay that bill they claim it from you taxes! What a world aye!
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    December 22, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    @thefatviking

    "Welcome to socialism."

    could you please explain how a licence fee funding the BBC is in any way socialism?

    If it was socialism then everyone would pay an equal tax and then the state would provide the TV channel. That isn`t how either the licence fee or the BBC work.

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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:02 am
    well the bbc is paid by the people and in turn they do not show commercials. so yeah, if you do not pay for taxes for tv or income or whatever its agaist the law.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 12:10 am
    `elp! `elp! I`m bein` repressed!
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    whapitoot Male 18-29
    81 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 12:29 am
    The householders seem to think that governmental rules don`t apply to you if you don`t vote?

    Pricks..
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    whapitoot Male 18-29
    81 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 12:40 am
    "The crown owns the name on my birth certificate"

    Ok.. Tinfoil hat time!

    These douches are using spurious law interpretations to be as awkward as they possibly can. Half of what they said was based on assumptions that were basicaly bollocks.

    If you live in a country, contribute and take from such country (I can see those people were enjoying electricity from the national grid, presumably had running water & potentially were living in a council provided property) then you follow the rules & regs of the country.

    If you don`t like it; feck off and find a country that better suits your douche-y anti-everything stance.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 1:03 am
    Britain had - maybe still has - a requirement for a radio license as well. As a friend once observed, a kid going down the street with a transistor radio to his ear could be accosted by a copper" "`Allo, `allo - dyer `ave a license for that, son?"
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 1:15 am
    They are happily taking the mick out of the license enforcer and the plod using common misunderstanding and twisting the interpretation of the law. That`s all fair game, because that`s precisely what the license enforcer and plod do for a living.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:20 am
    OTOH, the BBC needs its funding to support the likes of Jimmy Saville in the manner to which he has become accustomed to (not referring to the many hundreds of children partaken of by BBC staff; by all accounts they were free).

    BBC makes the Catholic Church look legit.
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 1:25 am
    Also, just so you know, it`s only in the UK not the whole of Europe. The UK is separate from Europe, with separate government who do not have powers to enter homes in the whole of Europe, and the BBC licence fee does not extend to homes outside the UK. There is also the sea surrounding the UK and COMPLETELY separating it from Europe so we would appreciate if you would get your fkin geography correct.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:33 am
    Socialism run amok.

    Judges can`t issue warrants without evidence. Not only did this BBC wanker not have any evidence, he didn`t have any of their names. You can`t issue a warrant for `occupant` or issue a warrant for which you have no evidence for it`s existence or issue a search warrant in a civil matter.

    These people knew their rights and stood up for them.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 2:55 am
    Crakr, do you think having to pay for a gun licence is also `socialism run amok`?

    Only users of the TV service have to pay for the licence.....how the drat do you reckon that to be socialism?
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
    2334 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 3:07 am
    Seeing people beat the system always puts a smile on my face.
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:16 am
    @blackcatseye
    This is common in many European counties.
    You have to pay an annual fee to own a TV, or another machine that can receive TV signals.
    It`s to pay off the state for producing pooty propaganda channels.

    And it`s not cheap either. In some countries it can easily cost 300USD a year.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 3:33 am
    wapitoot: I do not watch television, thus do not need a tv license. A woman from licensing stood at my door demanding to inspect every room in MY house. The mentality of this type of person is the same that cry `rape` falsely; you keep them away! They persisted in sending me unsolicited threatening mail; I get fed-up and informed them that demanding money with menaces is a criminal offence, and legal proceedings would start immediately unless the harassment by this private company stopped. The superviser`s name was obtained; he was told that compensation was due to me for my time and distress, and that it would be obtained via the small claims court. He would not be able to hide under a company shield. He agreed to cease unwarranted harassment. My name would go on the list of non tv watchers to be left alone. I accepted a cheque for £50 and have been bother-free since.
    If required, I can show the apology letter and photocopy of the cheque.
    You have to fight to your
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6662 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 3:35 am
    I don`t have a TV and when I cancelled my licence I was met with incredulity and was warned that someone would likely come round and check. I fully intend to be as awkward as I can if some jobsworth wants to enter my home.

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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 3:44 am
    Continued:
    You have to fight to keep your freedom. I did fight and I won the right to live unmolested by the agents of a private company. As you get older, you start to find out who wants to rule your life, who the rulers are, and who are the ruled. These people are only scum in your opinion, because their choice is not the same as your choice.
    That is a very dangerous path to tread; remember, the pen is mightier than the sword, and he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
    I am (still) a free man.
    I will exercise my birth-right to remain free.
    If you don`t like me speaking freely, perhaps it is you who should go to another country, one with lots of oppression, that you will be able to embrace and enjoy.
    You will however, not pass judgement on any other man in this free country.
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    Sistarose Female 30-39
    373 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 3:57 am
    This is silly, just make it cable. Personally I almost never watch tv, mostly DVD, so it seems such an unfair system.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 4:07 am
    Don`t get me started on this!
    It`s another tax on the public. It dates back to the 1940`s when the BBC was the only channel over here.
    These days everything is digital and channels can be switched on and off at source. Every other channel has to fund itself with advertising. The most popular is Sky TV with all its sports and movies but people cannot afford this because they MUST pay for this license whether they want to watch BBC or not! The government gets a hefty share, hence why no one objects.
    I still cannot believe Sky TV don`t fight this.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 4:19 am
    Sistarose: The licensing of tv applies to all methods of receiving live television, whether by cable, digital, or broadcast transmission. It is perfectly OK though to watch tv programmes an hour after they have been transmitted by way of I-player, watch again or similar apps.
    I would imagine that the next increase in license fee will be calculated to produce sufficient funds to compensate all those poor children assaulted by one jimmy savile and his ilk.
    Look at the stupidity of it!
    You pay firstly to subsidise paedo`s, then you pay extra to compensate the victims.
    Not for me thank-you; I`ll stay with DVDs from the supermarket shelves.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 4:42 am
    Stupid
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    rburridge Female 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 7:41 am
    grrr I hate everyone and everything!! drat da police!!! drat da government!! Anarchy in the UK!!!
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 7:58 am
    All these comments and nobody realises that its technically not illegal for you NOT to have a licence. Plus there are numerous loopholes you can use to get out of paying it. I havent had one for 15 years and never intend to.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 7:59 am
    Since hiding a TV is a simple thing, the enforcement officers have broad powers to enter your home if they believe you have an unlicensed TV.

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    They dont have ANY powers to enter your home at all. All you need to do is call them or send them an instruction of removal of implied right of access.

    If they breach that instruction, they can be liable for criminal tresspass.
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    IAFYM Female 18-29
    131 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 8:12 am
    I have no problem paying my license fee to the BBC, what I do have a problem with is the companies that take compensation along the way (like Capita, the people who run the license fee`s revenue and collection service). I think the BBC should take all of the fee.

    They produce some amazing programming and content (their news content is bar none) and as long as they keep the quality of the content up, then I have no problem paying any small increase.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 8:23 am
    TV detector vans were long presumed by many not to contain any actual detection electronics, but just a big printout (today a database) of households not possessing a license. The vans were just a form of psychological deterrance. In the old days, it may have been feasable, but today it is not, for several reasons: modern TVs contain neither a CRT, not a local oscillator, having been converted to digital reception. In any case, there is too much electronic background noise. Apartment dwellers are also safe because a van could not differentiate between two households in adjacent apartments.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 8:33 am
    The BBC has never relied upon detector van evidence in court and has rejected Freedom of Information requests to reveal the equipment used or its effectiveness as it would prejudice the public`s likelihood of paying the licence fee (ie and admission of ineffectiveness).

    Therefore, the only ways to be caught are to admit the fact, for the BBC`s agent (Capita rep) observing a TV in use or to voluntarily permit access of the Capita Rep to the home whereupon he may infer that the household has been watching the BBC.

    If one does not have a TV in view of the outside of the house, does not volunteer access, nor engages the inspector in conversation, then there can be no prosecution.

    These two were stupid to have a conversation, but did not admit fault and had the presence of mind to record the conversation, so will get away with it.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 8:38 am
    IAFYM

    "They produce some amazing programming and content (their news content is bar none)"

    Then you pay for it! I don`t want to.

    Their news is actually pretty dire. It is utterly biased, they lie, they hide things and they openly support certain political parties and oppose others. They use their news to attack commercial rivals, but only the ones they disagree with.

    tedgp

    Good on you. I didn`t have one for a while, but can`t persuade my wife not to pay ours at the moment although I am working on it.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Capita is getting desperate, hence the show of force and police presence, but I remain hopeful that licence delinquency will rise, forcing the BBC to rethink license-based revenue collection. This can only improve the country`s freedom of choice.

    I used to pay for a license, but I would not if I still lived in the UK. I now live in Hong Kong and no longer watch local TV (which does not require a license) as it`s gone predominantly over to Chinese language and the remaining Ebglish broadcasts aren`t worth watching. I get all my entertainment from the internet or a paid cable service that has channels that I choose. This is how it should be in the UK.

    Let the BBC produce viewing worth one`s choosing to pay for.
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    IAFYM Female 18-29
    131 posts
    December 23, 2012 at 8:53 am
    randomxnp - Luckily what I said was an opinion not a fact!

    And, in comparison to Sky News, BBC News is much better. Anyway, I was thinking more about their news website than the channel.

    Also I`m sure I never said that everyone should pay it and as long as one doesn`t have a tv, than one doesn`t have a problem.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:05 am
    Listypoos: We don`t pay a `gun license`. In Illinois we have something called a FOID card (Firearm Owners ID). When you buy a gun, from a licensed shop, you pay a `registration fee`. There is no `license` and no yearly or periodic fees. In some states like Tennessee there is no card or fees at all.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:10 am
    BTW, don`t fill out a delivery address or owner`s address on a warranty card. TV shops have a duty to report sales to the government (BBC).
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    iscariot40 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:22 am
    11:43, I think Godwins Law needs to have a sister law that relates to IRL.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:28 am
    IAFYM

    The problem is that their website massively distorts the UK internet market. They have the money, they don`t have to compete in a market so they destroy other websites and even potential for other websites that might be better.

    Of course the whole news organisation distorts the news in the UK and even worldwide with their left-wing bias, anti-capitalist, anti-wealth, pro-EU, anti-Israeli and pro-CAGW.

    In the last case they broke their charter to refuse to report very real scientific disputes and debates on the excuse that they were advised by 28 of the greatest expert. They then spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money to hire multiple lawyers to oppose one retired Welshman to try to hide the fact that this was a lie: only 3 were even arguably experts, most were campaigners or others with a vested interest in pushing the CAGW hypothesis. Even the three scientists had an interest, and a history of strong views.
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    furrything Male 50-59
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    December 23, 2012 at 10:29 am
    The sergeant seemed like a decent sort. Probably knows firsthand, what a criminal entity the BBC is. Demanding money with menaces.....it`s as simple as that. These bastards (like ANY functionary) hates people who know their rights!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    HA! enjoy your freedom comrades!
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    This guys an idiot. An Act is a law in the UK. The License fee is classed as a tax avoiding a tax is a criminal offence. Despite what he thinks you can apply to the court for search and inspections which will be carried out under police supervision. Like how you can apply to the court for bailiffs and police to recover property for debt.

    Whatever your opinion of the licensing fee, (it`s actually supported by a minority of the public now) It`s the current law and you should pay it until it`s changed. It`s not just the programming the BBC has been very influential in a lot of the advances and take up of recording and technical quality. They were the leading organisation which made HD TV mainstream.

    @randomxnp Climate gate 28 was a disgrace! worse then Saville, pensioners have died from the cold and energy prices policy that will have been shaped from public opinion gotten from the Beeb.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 23, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    randomxnp: Yeah, I`ve noticed that BBC News is one of the most liberal mouthpieces in Europe. They rake in over a billion dollars a year and they still need to be supported by illegal taxation?

    I`m betting that if it were put to a vote, the British people would tell them to go piss off and quit squeezing and extorting people for more money.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    December 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    @Listypoos - Ah, ok, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 23, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    If the BBC want`s to charge for their pooty programming, they should scramble their signal and rent out descrambler boxes.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    December 24, 2012 at 4:30 am
    Brits are awesome. There were no screaming belligerent obscenities, no racist threats, no tear gas canisters and no tasers.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 9:08 am
    No crime, no warrant.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    December 24, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Crakr, that didn`t answer my question, which was how is only those that own a tv having to pay for a tv licence in any way `socialism`?

    Surely if you`re gonna bang on about things being socialist you should actually read up on what it is before you do so..... i`m sure someone must have made a Marx book aimed at your level... perhaps a pop-up or fuzzy felt one.

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