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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Link: American Issue: Gun Control & Mental Health - Very interesting, especially with the recent public mass-shooting incidents.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:12 am
    Zing!
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:20 am
    Exactly my point.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:23 am
    Not just an American issue.

    You can get a gun in just about any city in the world, regardless of laws. The more money you have, the faster you get it.

    You still have to make an appointment to see a shrink.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:32 am
    auburnjunky "The more money you have, the faster you get it. " Well at least a criminal out of your country need lot of money to get a weapon,must know the channels to arrive to the seller and can be caught by police while he is taking an illegal weapon. This cut a lot of possibility for a criminal. In your country there are so many weapons around, a criminal can easily buy it or steal it.
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:33 am
    stupid cartoon.....

    inappropriate timing...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Agreed, and if he tries to use it on someone, it`s likely that he will get a bullet between the eyes from a law abiding citizen.

    Unless of course, it`s a gun free zone. Then everyone dies.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:37 am
    paco664 instead i think that this is the exact moment. The killer yesterday had mental issues and this cartoon just hit straight the point.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:42 am
    auburnjunky actually i don`t remember lot of cases of law abiding citizen being the saviors of situation like that. The truth is that very few people will take action in a situation like that, and i will not feel so safe being in the middle of a shooting between criminals and "supposed" civilians heroes.Don`t you think that is better to prevent situation like that instead to just hope that some random guy with a weapon stop the criminal?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:42 am
    Gee, who was it that emptied out the insane asylums claiming it was a civil rights violation to lock up people with mental illness? Who could it be, who could it be. Let me see now...oh, I don`t know...was it ...LIBERALS?!

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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:44 am
    Wow, that`s exactly how it is! Every time I go to see a shrink I always get distracted by the gun store right next door. And we all know, once you see a gun store, you just have to go in and buy one immediately!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:48 am
    auburnjunky where i live we have really few people with guns on the street and we have lot less cases like the one from yesterday. Seem that equation more people with guns=less crimes don`t work so much in your country. You have an incredible ammount of sad cases of mass shootings, maybe your country detain this sad primate also if your country is full of law abiding citizen with guns. Maybe is better to prevent this situation before and not when they happens.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:49 am
    I`ll just leave this here, Piper.

    This too.

    Okay okay this too.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:52 am
    @Piper:

    Don`t know where you live, but let`s use the UK as an example.

    Higher rate of violent crime than the US (per capita).

    I spoke with someone who lives there (Leeds) just yesterday, and they tell me that they hear of a gun related crime daily, on the news. It doesn`t always end in death, but for a country with "no guns", you`d think there wouldn`t be any gun crime.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:52 am
    OldOllie Idiocy Alert!
    (I know, that`s nearly a daily occurrence here)

    Actually, the dreaded LIBERALS you fear so much are the ones who finally funded mental health care and made it a national priority (see Carter`s `Mental Health Systems Act` in 1980). It was your beloved Ronnie Raygun who immediately defunded those efforts in 1981, then effectively killed it completely with the 1982 `Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act`.

    The more you know!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    AJ 3 cases against how many massacres only this year in your country? 3 cases compared to the number of citizens with weapons in your country are nothing. What i say is that what you think to be a solution is merely a weak hope.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    Sorry. Forgot to cite my findings.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
    I`M NOT PAYING MY HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS FOR SOMEONE ELSES HEALTHCARE. IF YOU DON`T WORK YOU DON`T DESERVE HEALTHCARE. But feel free to buy as many guns as you like and don`t TOUCH MY GUNS!~
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:02 am
    It`s very much an American issue.

    "America`s gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the world`s 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America`s ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America`s."

    A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:09 am
    Chalket:

    It was liberals and rights for disabled peoples groups that fought hard to keep people with brain disorders off of no sale lists for guns. People with any type of mental illness should not have a gun, period.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:18 am
    Also, tiny island nations are much much easier to police as far as contraband and banned items.

    Do not compare them to a country with two of the longest unguarded borders in the world.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:18 am
    @aj: I call bullsheet on you for that one. Cite your source.
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:31 am
    @piper...

    it is inappropriate... and inaccurate...

    i have a house full of guns... they have never injured anyone nor will they unless someone intends to do my family or me harm.. i also have a concealed carry permit and i carry a loaded handgun on my person at all times i am not at work *(i work in a secure area with police/customs presence)..

    have you ever noticed that these attacks are ALWAYS in a "gun free" zone?? you know why?? because the so-called "insane" person knows that they will be the only one armed....

    you have never heard of nor will you ever hear of a attack such as this at a gun show... or a police station... instead they pick soft targets.

    to be honest he could have accomplished the same thing with a sword/machete/baseball bat. these were children 5/6 yrs old.

    for referrence here is something for you to read. this is asia`s murderers. where gun ownership is illegal. look at the edged weapon d
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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:36 am
    you know, if guns were illegal then the people with mental disorders wouldn`t be able to buy them. And the people with mental disorders would be rendered totally incapable of ever killing anyone ever again. That is a fact, you can`t dispute it at all.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:37 am
    Well NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) for one. They freak out (in interviews) when anyone suggests that people on medication should not carry firearms, and they make excuses like "We need to look at the situation".

    No. Mental patients of any kind must not have access to dangerous weapons, period.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:38 am
    True DBSS, but then, I wouldn`t be able shoot the psyche patient from stabbing my kids to death.
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:42 am
    @dbss-

    Good point, since there is absolutely no black market for guns anywhere in the United States.
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:44 am
    The fact is, thirty years ago this virtually NEVER happened, and guns were just as easy to get then as they are now. Thus, guns cannot be the problem. When trying to identify causes of a trend, you have to look at what HAS changed, not what hasn`t.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
    AJ,

    Citing the Mail is not helpful. `Violent crime` is defined, reported and recorded differently in every country. Murder is generally defined the same everywhere and there the rates are clear.

    I suppose the implication is that there is more sudden, lethal violence in armed societies and more low-level, non-lethal violence in less-armed societies. It`s an interesting hypothesis but nothing more.

    As you say, you can get hold of a gun anywhere if you are determined and have the cash. In the UK there are some areas where gun crime is an issue but for most people you could live a long life here and never meet anyone who owns a gun or wants to (other than rural types with shotguns, which are fairly easy to legitimately buy).

    So when I read that the UK is more violent than South Africa then either someone is playing silly buggers with numbers or I`m in an alternate universe.
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Also, take a look at the guy in the cartoon. If you lived in a country that depicted mentally ill people this way, would be likely to admit you needed help?
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:51 am
    @aj: I still call bullsheet. Your anecdotal "They freak out (in interviews)" is nothing near a citation in support of your premise. A search of their website shows no advocacy for mentally ill gun ownership, quite the opposite in fact.
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    dbss Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:51 am
    sosueme, in my completely uninformed opinion I think it`s a "monkey see/monkey do" thing. There will always be copycats that see what the guy before did, then see what they did that stopped them short of killing everybody. then adjusting the tactics to last longer.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:52 am
    Actually, the dreaded LIBERALS you fear so much are the ones who finally funded mental health care and made it a national priority
    And which article of the constitution authorized the federal government to do this? Please be specific in your answer. (Note: the preamble is not an article.)
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 11:04 am
    OldOllie,

    When your constitution was written mental health care consisted of hanging witches and throwing turnips at the village idiot.
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    klaxor Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 11:07 am
    "And which article of the constitution authorized the federal government to do this? Please be specific in your answer. (Note: the preamble is not an article.)"

    Section 8, clauses 1 & 18

    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

    "The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
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    RuralNinja Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 11:16 am
    One of those steps preventing access to mental health care are cartoons like this. Suggesting anyone who needs mental health care is a buck-toothed simpleton who is one flashing sign away from a shooting spree is the kind of thing that will turn people away from seeking the help they need.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 11:37 am
    The cartoon puts it quite well: you`ll never stop psychos from owning guns (here in Canada, too), but if you can catch and treat some of those people when they`re young and fantasizing about violent vengeance against their perceived enemies, it would be well worth the investment.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 11:37 am
    RuralNinja

    Well said, sir.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    yeah cuz we so dumb and papa guvment aint der to halp us hurrrrrr
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    There isn`t much to dispute... it`s all in the numbers.Stats
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    Cruzosaurus.

    That`s not per capita and so is pointless.
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    Sorry... here you go. Top 15 In. The. world.

    Stats per capita
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    @piperfawn, the USA i the 3rd LARGEST country on Earth! Only China and India have more people, the next largest population isn`t half of the USA.

    So DUH they`ll have `more` crimes! But it`s `per capita` that counts!

    Did you know: the more churches a town has, the more crimes it will have? So do churches cause crime?
    (large cities have more churches, thus a higher number of crimes, because there`s more people - it`s a silly example on purpose!)
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    piperfawn-"i don`t remember lot of cases of law abiding citizen being the saviors of situation like that."

    Birmingham Alabama, today, an armed officer shot to death a shooter before he had a chance to kill anyone. Only 3 wounded.

    The difference? There was no armed person at the school that would have had a chance of stopping the shooter and minimizing the damage.

    Now, many citizens have as much, if not more, training and experience with their handguns, and there are a lot more citizens.

    I would have like for EITHER to be present at the school.

    dbss-"if guns were illegal then the people with mental disorders wouldn`t be able to buy them."

    Yup, it worked so well with drugs.
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    That was an armed officer... not a random citizen who was packing and jumped in.

    If guns were illegal perhaps this guys mom & dad wouldn`t have had at least 4 guns in a house with a kid with a personality disorder!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    yes MeGrendel...an armed officer not a civilian.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    It`s currently easier to buy a way to kill a person than it is to buy piracetam. No one cares though that one can kill, and the other is an innocuous substance used to increase cognition. >.>
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Cruzosaurus-"If guns were illegal perhaps this guys mom & dad wouldn`t have had at least 4 guns in a house"

    You actually thing that making something `illeqal` makes it dissappear.

    Been paying much attention to the drug problem we have?

    piperfawn-"an armed officer not a civilian"

    I pointed that out. Ideally I`d like a few officers at every school, but it`s not going to happen. Costs too much.

    Costs much less to let the people who are already there, and who have a want to protect the kids, to be armed.

    It`s been reported that at least ONE teacher lunged for the shooter in an effort to stop him, and paid for it with her life. Are you tellling me she wouldn`t have wanted to have a more effective way of protecting those children?

    There was not a cop there, nor was there an armed citizen. Just a bunch of helpless victims.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    SPrinkZ-"It`s currently easier to buy a way to kill a person than it is to buy piracetam.`

    Yes, you can buy a knife for $5, and piracetam costs 8 times as much.

    Your point?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    maybe she just wouldn`t have wanted so mich weapons inside her society so she did`nt have needed protection from some unknown armed civilian.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    piperfawn-"maybe she just wouldn`t have wanted so mich weapons inside her society"

    Maybe, but we`ll never know. Maybe she wanted everyone to have a puppy. Maybe she wanted free re-constructive surgery for everyone so no one would be ugly (oh, sorry, that`s not a pc word. Free surgery for `those with severe appearance deficites`)

    But we`re dealing with reality. Where making a `bad thing` illegal does not make it go away. Where making laws has no effect on those who chose to break the law. Where the most common location of a mass murder was a `gun-free zone`. Strange that the maniac forgot to follow that simple rule.

    What YOU `want` is irrelevent. The REALITY of the situation is that there is nothing magical about guns. Wave your magic wand, and make all guns, ammo and manufactures dissappear today, and tomorrow there will be thousands available again.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    December 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    and therein lies the crux of the problem.
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    @MeGrendel No, I don`t think it will make it disappear. Hence "perhaps". If they were illegal perhaps they wouldn`t have has so many guns available in their home. Maybe they would, but the majority of society are law abiding. Most of the guns used in these crimes are legally purchased... then illegally stolen or illegally purchased. If they were harder to get in the first place they would be harder to get illegally as well.
    The second amendment was necessary in 1791... just because something was required at one point for some reason doesn`t mean it should never be visited and discussed again. Things change.
    In no way do I think making guns illegal would solve everything. They are illegal here but we still have gun violence. Albeit on a much lesser scale. I don`t know one person that owns a gun & I don`t feel less safe in the least. I actually feel safer.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    Cruzosaurus-"the majority of society are law abiding`

    Yeah, that `Gun-Free School Zone` law is working really well.

    Cruzosaurus-"illegally stolen or illegally purchased."

    So you admit that people break laws.

    Cruzosaurus-"If they were harder to get in the first place"

    Upon what basis do you base the idea of making something illegal will make it harder to get?

    Cruzosaurus-"The second amendment was necessary in 1791"

    And the majority believe it`s still necessary today. There was a reason it was second only to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

    All you have to do is pass an Amendment the Constitution of the United State that repeals the 2nd Amendment. Much as the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th.

    The chances of you being able to do that is slim to none. Until such time, the 2nd trumps all.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    @klaxor, GENERAL WELFARE != INDIVIDUAL WELFARE. But thanks for playing our game.
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    @MeGendel Yeah, that `Gun-Free School Zone` law is working really well. - Not my point. My point was if his irresponsible parents didn`t legally own guns he may not have ever had the guns in the first place... then the school wouldn`t have need to be armed to stop such a horrendous attack.

    @MeGendel So you admit that people break laws. - Absolutely. Hence "The majority". I agree making guns illegal does not solve everything. However, I do believe it would save many lives.

    @MeGendel Upon what basis do you base the idea of making something illegal will make it harder to get? - Yes. When I was under 19 it was a lot harder to get booze... sure, we were able to get it a lot of the time...but, not always.

    @MeGendel And the majority believe it`s still necessary today. There was a reason it was second only to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

    All you have to do is pass an Amendment the Constitution of the United State that repeals t
  57. Profile photo of Laran
    Laran Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    When I think about guns, my first thought is about foxes and dingos after the livestock.
    I dont even think about people being in the sights.
    Most city people dont need a gun at all.
    there is a vast difference between a gun designed to be a useful tool and one designed to kill humans.
    still, any tool can be misused- I was raised that only an idiot would venture into the bush without a knife for example,and I carry one permanantly on my belt.
    It sh*ts me that other people`s selfishness and stupidity affects me.
    If a gun makes you feel tough- you probably shouldn`t have one.
    this whole debate is crazy.
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    Cruzosaurus Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    Sorry, got cut off for some reason.

    And the majority believe it`s still necessary today. There was a reason it was second only to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

    All you have to do is pass an Amendment the Constitution of the United State that repeals the 2nd Amendment. Much as the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th.

    The chances of you being able to do that is slim to none. Until such time, the 2nd trumps all. - I know the second amendment will never be changed. But, that doesn`t mean I have to like it.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    December 16, 2012 at 1:32 am
    agreed Laran
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    December 16, 2012 at 6:19 am
    Ha! Good one.. except in Kentucky it is the liberals who are limiting access to mental health services.

    Our fearless leader Beshear brought in managed care, which limits the sh|t out of how many services children get.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    December 16, 2012 at 6:20 am
    "One of those steps preventing access to mental health care are cartoons like this. Suggesting anyone who needs mental health care is a buck-toothed simpleton who is one flashing sign away from a shooting spree is the kind of thing that will turn people away from seeking the help they need."

    Amen.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Cruzosaurus-"he may not have ever had the guns in the first place"

    Or he may have. Or he may have waited out the waiting period for the rifle he was buying, picked it up and the massacre would have taken place 3 days later.

    Cruzosaurus-"I do believe it would save many lives."

    Okay, YOU `believe` that. Others believe otherwise. I believe, strongly, in my area the gun ownership is great deterrence to B&E, muggings and other violent crime. There are many neighborhoods that do not have to worry about B&E, as they have shown that such occurances can be deadly to the criminal.

    Cruzosaurus-"When I was under 19 it was a lot harder to get booze"

    And when I was 8 I got booze all the time. I picked it up for my handicapped grandfater at the corner store. I could have just as easily gotten it for myself.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    elkingo-" Kentucky it is the liberals who are limiting access to mental health services"

    And in our neck of the woods the mental health institutions are shutting down because of the costs associated with Obamacare. We`ve already had problems (murders) by people who, up until recently, were institutionalized.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 12:45 am
    @MeGrentroll
    I love how you pick and chose quotes and then deal with them individually while disregarding the others. "the majority of society is law abiding" & "illegally stolen or illegally purchased.". Its pointless to explain you what a majority is i guess..

    Anyway, nah, you guys in the US are doing great, keep on truckin` and thumps up from europe.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 5:43 am
    Essersmith-I love how you pick and chose quotes ..."the majority of society is law abiding" & "illegally stolen or illegally purchased."

    It`s not a case of `disregarding the others`. I didn`t argue those two quotes for the simple reason is that I agreed with them.

    I chose to argue the statements I dissagree with. That`s usually how it works. (now, for a stimulating debate I will sometimes argue with points I agree with, just to play devil`s advocate, but that`s for rational debate, which you`ve never been involved in.)

    Do YOU often go around arguing with people who tell YOU that you`re intelligent ?(Granted, in your case that never happens).
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2012 at 7:19 am
    @MeGrentroll
    Hihi you`re funny.

    Love the assumptions and your general mudthrowing. Good stuff.
    But from a guy with such an age and idealy wisdom... /shivers
    I hope you have more stimulating input outside the IAB forum.

    Also posing hard options and trying to make people see things from other sides, is by far one of my favorite things to do. So yes for the stimulating debate i do often participate and argue from sides i do not believe in. Wether you do it or not, I cannot say.

    Just for the point, I personally dont think that changing the legislation in the US will help much. That and many other issues is something the people of the country will have to work on over a long time. One does not simply MAKE a whole nation/country democratic for instance.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2012 at 8:38 am
    makes no sents

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