A Recent Handgun Control Advert [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago in

That"s a lot of deaths.
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Male 335
Ya, `cause it would be great to be more like those countries.
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Male 6,227
Just FYI: This poster is from about 1985. I remember seeing it on the bulletin board in my undergrad college`s mailroom. (Which explains why it refers to "West Germany" and why the statistics are about 27 years out of date.)
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Male 182
"west Germany" ? really? what the hell?
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Male 707
@wolfguy423
Yea, you as well, dude.
But please try to comprehend what i`m about to say.
Sure, people pull the trigger. So in that sense, yes, of course those persons are responsible. My point is that you wouldn`t have that prob if not everybody was running around with drating cannons strapped to their hips. How many people do you think die unnecessary during a dispute just because a douche was carrying? Thats the real murderer, the accessibility and the fact that so many are carrying everywhere they go. But why do they carry? To be safe from criminals with guns, right? Aren`t there any mericans that can see that this is a vicious circle? Violence begets violence. If you`re gonna fight fire with fire you have to do it swiftly or else you`re stuck with 2 fires. I`m not pointing a finger just at usa, this goes for everybody. But you guys have been screwed since they wrote the second amendment.
With that i send your last sentence right back at you.
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Male 83
I call BS what about the 50,000people in MEXICO?
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Male 172
"Flashpacker
Male, 18-29, Europe
646 Posts Monday, December 17, 2012 7:20:05 AM
"Guns don`t kill people.. People do."
Please stop using that saying.. it`s stupid and you`re stupid."
Right, I`m stupid eh? so if i just sit a gun on the counter it`ll go off and start killing BECAUSE its a GUN, right? Good, got it. just had to clarify that mate. So next you have a thought, just let it go. Ass-hat.
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Male 47
So ??? 40,000 people die every year in the US from car accidents. This just makes me want to carry even more.
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Male 2,376
switzerland huh? oh you mean the place where everybody has a gun in the house? oh yea that place...
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Male 4,242
thank god those babys in CT where not killed with a hand gun.
in the U.K most are killed with Knifes.
in Japan many are killed with Baseball bats.
so this is BULLSHIYT
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Male 707
"Guns don`t kill people.. People do."
Please stop using that saying.. it`s stupid and you`re stupid.
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Male 579
Agree with a few here; You could either force everyone to have a gun or ban them all and still, the gun never killed anyone and won`t under either condition. You wanna pass laws how about better ways to monitor at-risk whack jobs? Why don`t you RFID those sick bastards?
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Male 14,331
Facts this isn`t using them.....
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Male 138
They used justifiable homicides (police shootings and legal civilian shootings..) in this very old ..and debunked ad
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Male 1,346
Last year handguns killed ZERO people. Sh eit heads used hand guns to kill the 10991 people in this ad but the handguns did not do it. I am sorry but if even 10% of those people had been armed they would have to change the total to 9892. Still too many violent deaths but one number would not change. Handguns would have still killed ZERO people.
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Male 172
guns don`t kill people, crazy mother f*ckers with guns kill people.
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Male 554
Yea...and more deaths are caused by drunk drivers...

...people are frak`n dumb.
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Male 425
West-Germany isn`t existing anymore and the US passed the 30000 - these numbers are so old.
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Male 4
By the time half of their country will be killed by hand gun they will stop it.
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Male 34
@randomxnp: At least try and keep your argument factual and preferably without ad hominem arguments. I didn`t cherry pick any data, I supplied the exact data to place Canada on the graph that AntEconomist provided. Canada`s murder rate is roughly 1/3 that of the USA, and the handgun ownership is substantially lower as well. That information goes against the title of the graph. And I haven`t told anyone what to do; one of the reasons I prefer living in Canada is because the majority of the population does not favour private gun ownership.
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Male 24
West Germany hasnt been a country for years.
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Female 2,602
[quote]8bithero. [was talking about how one event should not be used to decide policy][/quote]

Would that be the same 8-bit hero who said, and I quote:

[quote]"I remember when the Batman shootings happened and there was a bunch of morons on I-A-B telling me how I`m wrong and blah blah crazy European, gun crimes SOMEHOW goes up if you take guns away etc etc bullshi7. So, America, how many shootings will it take for you guys to get rid of guns?"[/quote]

I`m counting at least two shootings (the Batman one and this most recent one) that he is talking about and suggesting a pattern from.

As I say, when you accuse people of something they`re clearly and demonstrably not doing, such as claiming they are talking about one isolated incident and deriving policy suggestions from same, you just look like an idiot that can`t or won`t read what`s written in front of you.
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Male 2,220
550 people were murdered in the UK last year.
(source ONS)

Out of 60Million. That`s about 1 in 100,000.

The UNODC has murder rates in the states at 4.2 per 100,000. So much for the deterrent of gun ownership.

if its was as black and white as comparing stats ~ then the UK with strict gun controls, is 4 times safer than the USA with lax gun controls.

Its not that simple, of course, but saying that the UK is worse off than the USA, from a safety PoV, or a crime PoV, is bollocks.

Nick12684`s unsourced statistics are obviously just fantasy facts. Highest knife death and violence? What kind of statistic is that even?
How can we have more knife deaths than anyone else in the world when California alone had 250 murders by knives/cutting instruments (and 1250 by gun).
(Source FBI)
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Male 758
We`re number 3, We`re number 3, We`re number 3, We`re number 3, We`re number 3, We`re number 3,
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Male 120
BTW the advert is from 1981.
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Male 120
@randomxnp "You are a selfish, self-righteous and self-centred prig. You say that less gun ownership is better because you don`t wish to own a gun. It is utterly selfish ...blah, blah, blah... it is just because you want to control others, tell them to live like you do. Typical "liberal" - illiberal in the extreme."

I also don`t want you to experiment with explosives in your house and keep surface-to-surface missiles in your backyard. I`m so selfish, all fun killer.
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Male 464
I agree, how recent is this?! West Germany?!
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Male 275
"Looks like gun control works well in a country with about 1 in 1000 people owning a firearm, keeping the handgun deaths to less than 5 times what they were before the ban. How do you think it will work where 1 in 10 does?"

I have to agree. I doubt at this point it will do mcuh. Just passing a law wont have much of an impact.. it didnt go so well when alcohol was banned.
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Male 36
Recent...WEst Germany...wut?
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Male 275
@randomxnp
I dont see how regulating the legislation is connected to my statement. Its a logical step to take if said statement is true. However it has nothing to do with the validity statement it self.
I did not differentiate between homocides, suicides and defensive killings for 2 reasons:
1) A gun related death is intentionally wide.
Because my bet is that any gun related death statistic will be higher in a country with liberal legislation than to a similar country without.
2) we are allowed 1000 words and an IAB forum is not the place to pose a study that would likely be considered masters or PhD level.

@anteconomist. Thats a great diagram, however does the US usually compare itself to El salvador? And where are countries like Germany, France, Canada and other so called high income countries? + Its not pr. capita.


@malikymoo said: "no, no, carry on america ur doing great. thumbs up to ya from europe"
Hihi +1
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Male 1,293
Nihilism

"...total homicide rate in Canada for 2011 for ALL homicides is 1.73 per 100,000 which is substantially less than the ~5.5 or 6 shown for the USA..."

And very similar to the homicide rate for the UK, where handguns are banned.

You are cherry-picking statistics, hence you need to use a graph like AntEconomist`s links, which show many stats. It also shows the opposite of what you want to claim, which is why you don`t like it.
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Male 1,293
Macguffin

"Whom do you believe was suggesting otherwise?"

8bithero. That is why I addressed the comment to him. Would be better if you read the comments to which you replied.
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Male 1,293
Note the 8 handgun deaths in Britain in a year that was before the reunification of Germany.

"The number of homicides per year committed with firearms remained between 49 and 97 in the eight years to 2006"

Can`t find the murder stats for handguns, but around 1/3 of all gun crime is with handguns. So it would seem like each year from 1999 to 2006 had a significantly higher rate of handgun murders than this unspecified year in the 1980s or before.

.22-calibre handguns were banned in the UK in 1998, after the 1997 ban on larger calibre weapons.

Looks like gun control works well in a country with about 1 in 1000 people owning a firearm, keeping the handgun deaths to less than 5 times what they were before the ban. How do you think it will work where 1 in 10 does?
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Female 2,602
[quote]One event should not be used to decide policy[/quote]

Whom do you believe was suggesting otherwise? Everybody here that`s expressed an anti-gun view has commented on America`s propensity to have mass murders conducted by gun-totting lunatics on a regular basis. Nobody has suggested that "one event" should dictate policy.

If you`re going to make a point about how stupid something someone else has said is, at least base your retort on what they actually said. Otherwise you`re the one that sounds like an idiot.
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Male 1,293
Nihilism

"this is the good place to be; with both less murders and less gun ownership"

You are a selfish, self-righteous and self-centred prig. You say that less gun ownership is better because you don`t wish to own a gun. It is utterly selfish. You have separated it from murder rates, so the reason for your demand cannot be so violence is lower, no it is just because you want to control others, tell them to live like you do. Typical "liberal" - illiberal in the extreme.
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Male 1,293
Essersmith

"Gun related deaths is much higher in the US than in countries that the US would normally compare itself to.
... please falsify my statement with somewhat accurate statistics showing that gun related deaths are in fact the same or less."

Logical fallacy. That is a non sequitur. You have not even tried to connect your statistics to requirement for more regulation.

You have not even separated suicides and defensive killings (one of which would happen anyway, the other is a key benefit of gun ownership) and you falsely exclude other murder methods!

I would be more justified saying "murders in Canada are much lower than countries Canada would usually compare itself to. One of you who does not believe that the gun legislation needs to be more liberal, please falsify my statement with somewhat accurate statistics showing that murders are in fact the same or more"
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Male 34
@AntEconomist - There are lies, damn lies and your statistics. The chart you listed (http://tinyurl.com/cga8otx) is very misleading. Using only one example, the total homicide rate in Canada for 2011 for ALL homicides is 1.73 per 100,000 which is substantially less than the ~5.5 or 6 shown for the USA on the graph(Statistics Canada). Handgun ownership is ~1,100,000 (Gunpolicy.org) for a population of 35,000,000 which is 3.14 per 100 people. This results in us being far closer to the zero/zero point on the graph. this is the good place to be; with both less murders and less gun ownership. =)
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Male 1,293
8 bit hero

You are a idiot. A hero on a game, a coward in reality. One event should not be used to decide policy. That inane idea is behind some of the worst laws in the world, and the ridiculous proliferation of laws in all democratic nations.

Just stop! If there was no reason for the law last week, there is no reason now. If you can`t argue the case without resorting to a single incident, your case does not hold up.
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Male 168
A "recent" advert which mentions "West"-Germany ... Well... Some 22 years late I think.
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Male 677
Just going to point out that it`s the law in Switzerland for EVERY HOUSE to have a firearm in it. Because the country has no army, if it is invaded, the people have to fight - they have annual mandatory army training.
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Female 2,026
no, no, carry on america ur doing great. thumbs up to ya from europe
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Male 374
Here`s a picture summarizing the current data on civilian gun ownership and homicides across countries.

http://tinyurl.com/cga8otx

and here`s one comparing the 50 US states.

http://tinyurl.com/bpd6wxc
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Male 500
Continued: and you make it so much easier for violent thugs and gangsters to attack unarmed populace with whatever is at hand.

See Czech republic for example, since you are european. Gypsy scum grows aggressive and violent, a year ago two thugs around the age of 20 attacked an elderly man who came to inspect why his alarm on his garage was going off. Of course, they were robbing him and in turn attacked the man from behind, slashing him with a knife, injuring his head and beating the poo out of him. He shot the guy who was on top of him, bashing his face in. Had he not done so, he would be a dead man instead, whole the two punks would probably never get caught.
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Male 500
@nick#####: I have made a similar comparison a while back, taking UK, US, Switzerland and Japan as examples and the bottom line remains:

it indeed IS all in culture, there is no such thing as a universal gun control law and they must be custom tailored to fit the given culture/nation.

Also, beternal: 1. police laws should be stricter, I agree that trigger happy cops are the pits but disarming them completely would be a mistake in a law abiding, not corrupt society. Why? because 2. whoever wants to commit suicide or a crime will find a way. Whoever wants to commit a crime with a gun WILL get his hands on a gun not necessarily the legal way. Whoever wants to commit a violent crime but can`t get his hands on a gun will find a different means, see knife attack rates in the UK for example. Which brings me to point 3, namely: whoever want to threaten and attack you, will. Agreed, guns might make it easier, but take away means of defense for the common, law abiding man and y
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Male 85
Lets address a few of those stats to put things into perspective, shall we?
-Guns are banned in GB, but they also have the highest number of knife related violence and death in the world.
-Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership per capita in the entire world
-Switzerland had a peoples militia where there is a type of encouragement and honor to have a gun in your home....their neighbor is Germany.
-Many of the citizens of Israel whom you don`t expect to have or carry a firearm.....do.
-The US also has a very messed up culture where no one pays attention and it is harder to get mental help than to own a firearm. (not calling for regulations) Also, we constantly report on all the gun related deaths, but not when good people with a firearm were a deterrent to a crime or a massacre.
-Homicides in the us have been consistently going down since the 60`s, while gun ownership has increased.
We are a very messed up society and we must ask ourselves wh
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Male 5,413
Oh I remember it was with whodat6484 who still supported guns. Hey, so since you`re country suffered another shooting I see you still don`t see what`s so wrong with them.
Posting a Wikipedia article does nothing but further my case. Just because America is behind such countries like: Jamaica and El Salvador doesn`t mean it`s not bad in America. Trying to water down your argument by saying "Yeah but look at all those other countries" doesn`t stop the face you have 9.00
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Male 5,413
I remember when the Batman shootings happened and there was a bunch of morons on I-A-B telling me how I`m wrong and blah blah crazy European, gun crimes SOMEHOW goes up if you take guns away etc etc bullshi7. So, America, how many shootings will it take for you guys to get rid of guns?
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Male 892
@Saunder "these other countries are very small compared to US"

Canada is a little bigger than the USA. Just a little.
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Female 2,602
[quote]Considering we had all the IRA troubles in the era this was posted, I think it makes the US figures look even worse.[/quote]

I`d ordinarily concur as the figure for "Great Britain" may well include Northern Ireland. However, the Yanks` poor grasp of basic geography renders the statistics quoted meaningless once again: Great Britain doesn`t include Northern Ireland. We should be thankful for small plusses, though; at least they didn`t say "England".
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Male 275
trying to change anything just seems to make the gun lovers angry so maybe some kevlar advertising is the way to go.
sarcasm
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Male 51
West Germany ? WTF ?
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Male 181
Lolwut! What the hell is West-Germany!? This ain`t the Cold War anymore; there is no West Germany since the beginning of the 90s....also, these other countries are very small compared to US. Way to bias figures for a good cause! Idjits...
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Male 560
@ferdyfred Disagree with 8 a week. Live in Haringey the only place in North London you stand a chance of getting shot. Reason it all get`s reported soo much is because it`s rare. 8 a week is a stupid over estimate and makes me think you read the Daily Mail. By the way did you know everything causes cancer and you should stop breathing because air causes cancer....
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Male 7,774
Considering we had all the IRA troubles in the era this was posted, I think it makes the US figures look even worse.
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Male 1,111
Well with the gun control in place in other countries I would like to see the numbers on non-gun related deaths.

Gun control is not the answer because the people that want guns can get guns no matter what. The answer is people control.

I`m sure the numbers from income levels show a disproportional amount in lower income areas.
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Male 2,586
Doe sit really matter if it controls for police shootings, suicides or self defense?!

-police are too trigger happy = guns should be banned
-you`re making it too easy for people to kill themselves = guns should be banned
- people wouldn`t need to shoot others if they themselves weren`t threatened by guns = guns should be banned

I love how people here are saying that only the `good guys` would end up giving up their arms... the criminals would keep them and hold the rest to ransom (so to speak).

Probably true... but if you don`t even try to control them, don`t even try to complain!
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Male 275
While i might agree that the advert from 2006 looks like its using curious numbers. I find it funny quickly the statement is dismissed.
Lets put this to the test. My statement: Gun related deaths is much higher in the US than in countries that the US would normally compare itself to.
One of you who does not believe that the gun legislation needs a relook, please falsify my statement with somewhat accurate statistics showing that gun related deaths are in fact the same or less.
Im not having any luck finding up to date studies. The only recent study i can find is this :Firearm-related deaths in the United States and 35 other high- and upper-middleincome countries Page 216 (3)
Granted its from 1998, however the numbers for the US are still much higher than any other "high income" country.
In fact i would like to see any st
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Male 347
I really hope that shooting leads to gun control.
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Male 3,445
Also here

The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher...Among these 23 countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States, 86% of women killed by firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were US children."
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Male 3,445
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Male 195
This is pretty sad. Does this control for police shootings, suicides and self defense. How many killed in other countries by other means. Worthless. I am bored by IAB.
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Male 40,764
"West Germany" just how OLD is this?

1980? Thanks @MrTwidget!

Once again: the raw total is meaningless, it`s "per capita" that matters.
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Male 802
Repost? From like 25 years ago?
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Male 795
Gun Control PSA by Rick Boyko, 1980. (Released shortly after the assassination of John Lennon)
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Male 185
Like I said in another post bashing the NRA - they are NOT going to ban handguns. If they TRY that little trick, they will answer to 30+ million American gun owners through the iron sights of their pistols. TRY IT.
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Male 3,060
Is West Germany back?
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Male 3,908
I wonder how they`re doing over there in West Germany with trying to get that wall torn down. I think Reagan mentioned something about that back when he was POtUS in 1987. I can`t believe they haven`t gotten around to that yet, it`s been over 25 years!
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Male 916
recent? they were using that one back in the mid 80s.
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Male 2,841
Notice how it doesn`t reference whether or not the guns were obtained legally.
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Male 3,445
How about some facts?

"Well, here’s what I found surprising: the U.S. is actually getting safer. In the decade since the year 2000, violent crime rates fell by 20 percent; aggravated assault by 22 percent; motor vehicle theft by 42 percent; murder – by all weapons – by 13 percent.
But guns are the exception. Gun homicide rates haven’t improved at all. They were at roughly the same levels in 2009 as they were in 2000. Meanwhile, serious but non-fatal gun injuries caused during assault have actually increased in the last decade by 20 percent, as guns laws have gotten looser and getting automatic weapons has become easier."
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Male 450
If anything we need more guns; we also need to bring back the gladitorial pit.
We are reaching max capacity for this planet and wars just aren`t cutting it anymore when it comes to pruning down our numbers.
What happens when we can no longer feed everyone? I say give them all guns and a cheeseburger.
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Male 167
While I don`t know where the numbers came from, its does specify handgun deaths... which would exclude any rifles and most shotguns
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Male 96
Guns/fatness/military/_____/_____!!! WE KNOW!! 19 out of 23 posts are not from the USA on this subject. Why are Euros so into America`s business. There are vey few posts about anything European on IAB. Maybe the "terms" France, England, Germany ect...are now passe. Patriotism appears to be a derogatory term across the pond. The Euro country/continent`s individuality, money, personalities, opinions have become so melded....they are now vanilla.

Question - If we talk only about Europe here, will IAB cease to exist out of boredom?
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Male 39,929

Hmmmm... someone`s massaged the numbers a bit.
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Male 642
WEST germany? hahah what is this, more than 23 years old?
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Male 1,803
Huffington post says there were 51 gun deaths in the UK last year.

Now the difference is that the UK includes N Ireland and GB does not, but I fail to believe that N Ireland had 43 on its own.

Something tells me this handgun advert whilst well intentioned is not telling the whole story.

Source
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Male 1,803
8 in GB? Seems quite high for us. Hmm.
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Male 316
So roughly .333333 percent of guns kill people each year? Why would anyone ever let a third of a percent dictate what the other 98.6 percent should do?
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Female 4,440
doctors kill more people in the US than guns.
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Male 13,630
Probably 8 a week that would be more accurate
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Male 2,160
no worries, the media here likes to push it also oddly. while i cant speak for the entire country and havent been everywhere, most people in berlin dont care in the slightest. the ones who do are about like the silly people you have over in the US who rave on about communists and soviets still, outdated relics who cant move on.

more to the point though, if they quote countries that havent existed for about 16 years at the time this was made, i question the reliability of the rest of their information.
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Male 13,630
Shelworth
Interesting thought
Not sure how this could be worked out, but
it would I daresay open a can of worms
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Male 13,630
Francakes
where are the bad people?
or why are they bad people?
make your mind up franny
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Male 502
A more interesting statistic would be number of handguns in a country VS the number of handgun deaths. There are probably 100 million handguns in the U.S. VS a few hundred in Japan?
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Male 13,630
VikingGuy
I will dismiss media, and as you live there, you are the most direct link I guess, I retract the previous post as wrong
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Female 157
Where they bad people though?
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Male 2,160
i am german, while we may sometimes consider ourselves from one half or another, we are simply germans, and we are a unified country now whether we all approve or not. hence this statistic making itself laughable through that outdated term.
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Male 202


Wow, Statistic presented in the most biased way possible, including people who intentionally killed themselves, as well as suspects killed by police.

Looks like I need to reevaluate my priorities and give away rights that I`ll never get back.
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Male 13,630
@turdburglar

He is you know
this one is way out of fact its silly
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Male 3,285
Some germans, not all is what i meant.
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Male 13,630
@tedgp
I assume the Germans would be included
Some things you dont have to mention really
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Male 96
Called this "recent" phone number...this number is not in service. There`s not even an e-mail adress...
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Male 4,891

Fancyload is in our face with gun control posts today. He`s baiting us into more arguments again. Stop being lazy and find something interesting to post, please.

I like that pistol tho.
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Male 13,630
Probably 8 a week that would be more accurate
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Male 3,285
A LOT of people, including germans still consider Germany to be two "states".
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Male 13,630
No way is that right,
8 people killed by a hand gun in UK
thats crap, times it by a few
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Male 10,338
Lol at West Germany. This argument is invalid.
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Male 219
Bull pooh. That is all.
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Male 2,160
recent? west germany? the wall fell over 20 years ago.
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Male 3,619
fix your country, yo
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Male 20,916
Link: A Recent Handgun Control Advert [Pic] [Rate Link] - That`s a lot of deaths.
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