A Christmas Billboard In Times Square, NYC [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago in

Bold statement, but why not just let people celebrate what they want to celebrate?
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Male 2,216
If christianity is the national religion,we`ve already lost.
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Male 35
Don`t feed the trolls
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Female 121
Dammit, people, why can`t we just leave them alone and let them have their fantasies? I`ll absolutely take up arms any time they try to push it into my life (particularly via government.) But if that`s what they want to believe privately, who gives a flying duck?
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Male 17,511
cityncolour: There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Christmas was indeed an important holiday to early Americans.

whodat: The Puritans were a non-celebratory lot to begin with, very dour and strict. But your evidence that they had banned it, shows that it was being celebrated before they banned it. (otherwise there would be nothing to ban, would there?) Also, the federal government was much more limited in scope before the civil war and there were no `federal holidays` until the 1870s.
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Male 296
[quote]But ironically, only ONE man in the billboard actually existed in real life. [/quote]

And that would be Saint Nicholas. He was a Roman Catholic Bishop who was born in 280 BC, in what is now present day Turkey.
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Male 16
COMPLETELY TRUE. I am a christian, but I do NOT celebrate christmas because it has NOTHING to do with Jesus or God ... it NEVER DID! But ironically, only ONE man in the billboard actually existed in real life.
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Male 661
Most people have totally missed the point. These billboards are going up not because the Atheists want to destroy Christianity, and kill Christmas. (Some do perhaps, but not the majority)

Atheists are frightened and concerned with the increasing acceptance of dogma as scientific fact. Dogma legitimizing the subjugation of gay people. Elected officials quoting the bible as fact during discussions on environmental policies. It is the forcing of "Christian Values and Morality" on the rest of society that gives rise to these billboards.

Christmas is the holiday with the biggest Christian fanfare, so it`s the best time for a billboard. Wouldn`t get as much "bang for your buck" to put up a "Keep your Christ outta my Samhain" billboard.
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Female 2,761
I for one think it was genius to keep so many pagan traditions to make it easier for them to "convert".

All depends on how you look at it.

And don`t lump all nut job Christian`s together, not all of them think its a bad thing to have different beliefs and try shoving it down your throat.

Have I?
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Male 379
@Justin9235
i care.
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Male 379
@markust123
i find it mildy ironic that you use the phrase "life is too short for division" to criticize something that is basically saying the same thing. Clearly, you do not see that, and i most definitely don`t expect the christian freak-o`s to see see it; but i bet that most atheists are anti-religious for the very same reason. life is too short for division, not ONLY that, but it is the ONLY life we have, when it over, it`s over.
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Male 296
I think its hilarious that Christians still think that the birth of their savior is the true meaning of the holiday. I hate to burst your bubble, but pretty much every single xmas holiday tradition can be traced back to pagan origins. The original holiday celebrated on December 25th was the celebration of the Winter Solstice. It has been celebrated for centuries amongst many ancient cultures and thus many ancient deities were thought to have been born on this day: Osiris, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, and Jupiter to name a few. So in order to more easily move christianity into the public consciousness, the catholic church decided that their deity, the son of god, was born on this day too.
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Male 379
@CrakrJak
I believe you are mistaken. please show me a link to a founding document that states chistmas is a part of anything. show me a national history that makes christmas a tradition in any form. as a matter of fact christmas didn`t even become a national holiday until 1870, which is a far cry from "its founding". seriously... useless.
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Male 1,582
I`m as atheist as they come, but this is pretty damned pretentious. Who the hell cares.
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Female 2,549
Without the myth it`s just the shopping!
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Male 3,908
@CrakrJak - "Christmas has been part of American culture since it`s founding."

Nope, sorry, you`re way off on that one buddy! Christmas was not a part of American culture at the time the country was founded. There was even a span of 22 years (1659-1681) when Puritans had outlawed Christmas celebrations in Boston. It wasn`t recognized as a federal holiday until 1870. You can read all anout it here if you`d like.
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Male 2,440
I`m as godless as the next heathen, but David Silverman and his horrible billboards need to f#*k off.
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Male 12,138
Gimp. This is a douche move. I`m an outspoken atheist myself, but Christmas is a special time to many religious people. I celebrate it in my way, but to do this is kinda like putting up a banner outside a Christian funeral proclaiming "Ha, you fools, grandpa`s wormfood and there`s no afterlife!"

Piss off, let people have whatever they have to make them happy.

We have a nativity scene set up under our Christmas tree, because my 6-year old daughter says that she loves the Christmas story of baby Jesus in the manger. So, we put it there, she wanted it. Maybe she`ll change her mind, maybe she won`t. When she asked me the other day whether Jesus was real, I told her that some people think so, and some people don`t, and that she could think whatever she believes in.

Mind you, I don`t live in America, I don`t see the religious billboards every day, so maybe the backlash is justified, I dunno

To me it seems douche. Merry Christmas everyone BTW!
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Male 1,164
About 90% as pretentious as Christians accosting people for not celebrating the "true" meaning of Christmas.

Merry Dickmas everyone.
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Male 117
Whats that CrakrJak lies, deceit, and theft.

Lies to our kids.
Deceit to our self.
Theft form other religions.

all thing good Christians should not do, also know as SINS.
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Male 2,384
yea atheists for the WIN
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Male 17,511
cityncolour: Christmas has been part of American culture since it`s founding.

I`m not fond of the commercialized mess that it`s become, but this billboard seems to be promoting that mess ahead of what the season is really about.
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Male 260
"Bold statement, but why not just let people celebrate what they want to celebrate?"

Well... they can. American Atheists aren`t trying to outlaw religion/spirituality by law are they? It`s just a advertisement promoting something, just like every advertisement.
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Female 1,539
Oh wow.
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Male 1,678
If they wanted to be merry they could have spent the money they used advertising this maybe buying food and toys for underprivileged children, instead of trying to offend as many people as possible.
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Male 5,022
Want to know when you are taking your message too far? You`re putting it on a billboard. I`d rather not see religion or politics on billboards. Same thing with on Facebook. Life is too short for division.
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Male 2,516
[quote]Mighty difficult to do when their wars are on every channel.[/quote]

Not at all, I usually skip the comment section of 93% of the posts of this site. Seems fairly easy to me.
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Male 3,445
"Don`t like the debate, change the channel."

Mighty difficult to do when their wars are on every channel.
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Male 2,516
@FoolsPrussia: Don`t like the debate, change the channel.
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Male 2,516
@McGovern1981: No, according to my logic the people of New York are being bugged with religious messages, so they posted a billboard against it.

I would love to know how you got to the conclusion that my point was that they were crucifying people in New York
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Male 379
the biggest tragedy in all of this is the religious sympathy. really? why would i or anyone who is non-religious sympathize with people who believe that they deserve to burn in hell??? whether or not it actually exists is moot, the fact that they believe that it is something i DESERVE is deplorable. and that in itself is the TRUE testament to the dangers of religion. to believe condemnation for no other reason than disbelief. how f*cking archaic. not to mention its propensity to discourage critical thinking. oh, sure... just believe what you`re told, no reason to question any of it. f*ck. that. f*ck religion. i have no sympathy, the more of this kind of sh*t the better.
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Male 379
@burbclaver
my mistake, i do honestly apologize,
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Male 379
@CrakrJak
Bet your ass i would bitch about any of those holidays if any of them flooded my life for 2 straight months. and i would LOVE to see how you and the other sheep would react if any of those were celebrated the way christmas was... holy hell that would just be irony at it`s finest. Jesus, man, do you have any concept of life outside of your little sheltered box? just give up, you are truly useless.
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Male 878
All fanatics are dangerous. Religious or otherwise.
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Male 3,445
If you`re a dick, you`re a dick, regardless of if you`re atheist, Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Enough with the pointless argument.
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Male 878
@cityncolour: That`s what I said. You have read it the wrong way.
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Male 4,242
what?
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Male 17,511
AJ: [quote]If we celebrated it in Spring when it actually happened, there would be no less bitching.[/quote]

No, the atheists would still be bitching about Christmas no matter the time of year. But you won`t hear a peep out of them about Ramadan, Kwanza, Hanukkah or Festivus.
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Male 108
I find this very offensive. Let me run out and get a lawyer to have it removed.
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Male 155
I concur with Wundt and cityncolour. In response to TruTenrMan, I would say "ummm... No."
The origin of Christmas is clearly pagan, and this (as well as several other holidays) were simply usurped by Christianity. A little research would be recommended.
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Male 14,331
@jendrian

So according to your logic they`re crucifying people in NYC?
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Female 311
I`m not religious at all but the birth of Jesus CHRIST is the whole reason for CHRISTmas
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Male 379
@burbclaver
is it my job to prove the non-existence of bigfoot or the locness monster as well?? i don`t believe in either of those. the proof lies in the person/group MAKING THE CLAIM. you have not provided me any reason to believe which is why i am an atheist. i`m not the one making the claim that god exists... you are. so i believe it is your job to prove it. not the other way around, douche bag.
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Male 379
why??? why? because WE have to be offended every day. every single chistian billboard has SOME sort of implication that we atheists are evil heathens and will spend an eternity in a lake of fire. why cant YOU celebrate YOUR religion where it is supposed to be celebrated? in your house or in your church. leave it OUT of my public spaces because i don`t give a poo.
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Male 2,552
Let`s just completely ignore the fact that CHIRSTmas is an effinf CHRISTIAN holiday... *eyeroll*
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Male 2,516
from here
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Male 2,516
for example:
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Male 409
burbclaver, there are two very good reasons why atheists advertise.

First, to counter the noise from all of the Christian billboards. There are thousands of billboards, print ads, and radio and tv ads from churches and religious organizations. But, when a free-thought organizations put up one billboard there is a massive outcry from Christians. Putting up such ads proves we are here and have a right to present our opinion.

Second, many, many people who are atheists, or think they might be atheists, feel like they are the only one. This is a message to people with doubts that it is okay to have doubts, and that there are people who agree with you.
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Male 2,516
@McGovern1981: When was the last time that happened in New York? (Or wherever the hell that billboard is).

If there`s a billboard campaigning against acid-throwing douchebags, it`s placed where it`s needed.
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Male 14,331
Where`s this billboard??

Oh ya we can only bash Christianity otherwise that wouldn`t be PC!
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Male 878
Why do atheists need to advertise? Surely, if you tell me there is a heaven it`s your job to prove it, not mine to proof there isn`t. I don`t mind what anybody believes until they start organizing and telling me to live my life according to their rules. Atheists and Christians both should STFU.
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Male 5,811
[quote]It`s actually celebrated when it is, because there are no Christian holidays in winter, and the early Christians needed to cover up the Pagan holiday that celebrates the winter solstice. So what.[/quote]
I think, more the point, is that why not just make some random holiday then like All Saints Day or somesuch? Why did it *have* to be the birth of someone who wasn`t born that day?
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Male 2,988
@HalfPintRoo: i just cant stand xmas, its inescapable. i feel no matter where i go i can try to avoid it but thats just not possible. its everywhere. but you are correct, you dont have to be offended by it.
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Male 10,338
"Christmas is a fugazi holiday"

If we celebrated it in Spring when it actually happened, there would be no less bitching.

It`s actually celebrated when it is, because there are no Christian holidays in winter, and the early Christians needed to cover up the Pagan holiday that celebrates the winter solstice. So what.
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Male 886
Meh. It isn`t even the day the guy was born...Christmas is a fugazi holiday. The pope said so himself.

I could care less who gets hurt about their spiritual beliefs. As long as the Christians are pushing it down our throat, they should get something shoved down theirs.

If you do not wish for your beliefs to be ridiculed or disputed, keep them to yourself....or better yet...in your house of worship.

bleh.
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Male 3,908
Who cares? It`s a billboard, if you pay for the space to advertise then you can put whatever you want on it as long it`s not breaking any laws. Their promoting their website, Showtime is promoting their show Homeland right next to it. Some people don`t like the show but I don`t hear them b*tching about that billboard.
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Male 144
Love it. American Atheists promote thoughtful ideas for the betterment of all Americans. I look forward to the day when a political candidate can say proudly that they are not weirdly superstitious.
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Female 2,761
@FoolsPrussia- GOOD POINT!!!! Santa is a myth too. No one is out protesting Santa!

Live and let others live.
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Female 2,761
@CoyoteKing- really? I`m not having anything shoved down my throat... Unless you are talking about the Christian cards stuck amongst the others or the occasional nativity along the roads.

But silly me, I just look the other way. I didn`t realize I was supposed to be offended.
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Male 2,516
@spanerbulb: if by "religious" you mean the celebration of saturnalia, then yeah, given that if the messiah of the christian faith was born at all, it wasn`t in that day
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Male 2,988
"Bold statement, but why not just let people celebrate what they want to celebrate?"

When I stop seeing christain and christmas stuff shoved down my throat all the time. Can i go into one drating store and not here a xmas song? and all of them with lyrics like "god is good" and "our savior" as to say we are christians, drating deal with it!

and as far as billboards go, atheists will stop putting up their propaganda on billboards as soon as you can get the churches to stop advertising as well. good luck, the christans will never do it. they are more of a business than anything else.
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Male 10,338
The reason we GIVE presents on Christmas, is because the wise men gave Jesus presents. That is all.

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Male 2,516
@dbss hey, don`t push our disbelief in my disbelief in somebody else`s beliefs.

Damn apathetitheists, just as annoying as everybody else
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Male 3,894
@chimmeychang- no. nobody has ever noticed that. congratulations.
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Male 701
I thought an atheist was some one who doesn`t bother to believe in anything... they have an organization that pays for billboard ads ? Why, what do they stand to gain from it?
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Male 684
does no one see the irony of celebrating a guy who preached against materialism birthday buy buying a crap ton of material goods? FOX loves to talk about a war on Christmas, Christmas has become a war on christian teachings.
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Male 32
Atheists are just as annoying as anyone else pushing their beliefs or disbelief.
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Male 6,077
I`m an atheist and I find this billboard to be offensive. Not for what it says to me, of course, but because it insults people without cause. I have no problem at all with trading insults with someone who`s trying to shove their religion down you throat but that should be a focused response, not a general one.
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Male 1,243
I`m pretty anti religious person but even I find this distasteful. Christmas is a religious event after all, even though I don`t celebrate that aspect I do join in with the sentiments attached to it and accept that. Take the historical aspect away and all you have is a capitalist orgy, by rights the atheist society should be calling for a complete ban on christmas rather than changing it and trying to hide their own hypocrisy.
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Male 537
Meh. I see the point of giving christians a taste of their own medicine.... this just kinda fails at it and comes off as dickish.
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Male 926
or the new Christians, rather.
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Male 926
Athiests are the new Mormons...they won`t stfu.
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Male 3,445
Santa is a myth too....
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Male 9,766
Jesus is the only part of the bible I actually like. Strip away the virgin birth, and miracles, and resurrection. A good guy who preached about love and acceptance and forgiveness.

Go ahead and keep Jesus.
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Male 2,552
Yeah, because Santa isn`t a myth or anything....
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Male 1,558
Because christians think they run the world- or wish they could!
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Male 5,811
Hey, if people want to celebrate Homeland, that`s their problem.
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Male 20,916
Link: A Christmas Billboard In Times Square, NYC [Pic] [Rate Link] - Bold statement, but why not just let people celebrate what they want to celebrate?
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