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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18830 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    Link: Your Presidential Choices, Plotted Out - If this chart tells us anything, it`s that we need every party much more involved in the campaigning process.
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    Don`t forget Rosanne Barr. She`s running too.
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    Huey Male 30-39
    204 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    There`s six more candidates running that you did not list there. I know, I was surprised to find that out too.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    clearly if the pass came into Mitt,
    it would be offside
    And Virgil Goode is way out of his area
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW~ Obama "right of center"

    Don`t link the source or anything @FancyLad, heaven forbid we should see for ourselves how this ...unusual... conclusion was reached!

    Move Obama`s dot 5 to the left and 2 up, then we`re in the ballpark.
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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
    880 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Obama is right? Who made this crap?
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    what are the units on this graph? It seems like a rip-off of the Libertarian Party`s graph where the axes are Government Control vs Individual Freedoms for Social issues and Economic Issues, with the four quadrants representing the Libertarians (Freedom/Freedom), Democrats (Social Freedom, Economic Controls), Republicans (Social Controls, Economic Freedom) and Authoritarian.

    This graph makes no sense.
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    mamba Male 18-29
    628 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    Link

    and here`s the source, just in case anyone wants to read the explanation and compare it to the policies from the last election.
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    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    This does not seem correct at all....
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    ieatbunnies, 5cats: In the rest of the world`s views, your political parties are extreme right-wing nuts and more extreme right-wing nuts. Obama may occasionally peek furtively to the left but make no mistake, your entire system is transposed so far to the right it`s almost scary.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    mamba: Oh, THERE it is, I`ve been looking for that page for ages! Thanks!

    I took the test and here`s my views, nicely plotted out.



    By the way Fancy, you may want to put that test on the front page too.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    Obama should be far over on the left red block.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm
    Obama should be far over on the left red block.

    Obama is right-centre. He`s not even centre-left, let alone far left. Your view of politics is stunningly parochial.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    There`s six more candidates running that you did not list there. I know, I was surprised to find that out too.

    Surprising, but irrelevant. None of them are going to win, or even get close. It`s like a race between two horses and some sloths. 2 sloths, 10 sloth, a hundred sloths...doesn`t matter.

    It`s pretty much the same here. They`re both somewhat to the left of yours and maybe a bit more authoritarian, but there`s only two of them and they`re next door to each other despite the blather about huge differences. We have 2 and a bit parties rather than just 2, but the effect is pretty much the same.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    November 3, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    I don`t think the heading choices- Authoritarian, Libertarian- quite cover things. I suggest the blanket heading: Lying criminal; They all seem to fall into this category anyway.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
    433 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Well, apparently I need to be voting for Rocky Anderson.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    November 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm
    I didn`t see a secret muslim seeking to destroy America and turn it into a godless communist state axis.

    Where would other world leaders fit in, one wonders. Or, if one is American, probably doesn`t wonder. No offence, but most of you don`t really care what the rest of us think, do you?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    Took the test, turns out I`m left libertarian. Who knew?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    What a load of crap. Obama is far more authoritarian than Romney, and he is left of centre economically.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    Reading the source it is just ridiculously left-wing. It doesn`t even try to put a veneer of impartiality on like the legacy media. I am sure that Lenin and Hitler would come out as right wing in this, taking their economic philosophy as they did from that great free-marketeer Karl Marx.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    Then the questions. SO many of the ones that are not meaningless or ambiguous (of which there are many) have no bearing on the left/right divide or the authoritarian/libertarian divide or would be ambiguous in indicating a position on one of those divides.

    "Astrology accurately explains many things."

    "You cannot be moral without being religious."

    "Some people are naturally unlucky."

    And -it puts National Socialist Hitler, who admitted he followed Marx in most of his economic philosophy, on the right. Thatcher, under whose government freedom increased markedly, as an authoritarian. Francoise Hollande, of 75% tax fame, barely socialist.

    Worst of all, Herman van Rumpuy, unelected despot of the socialist EU which has replaced democratic leaders in Italy and Greece with unelected bureaucrats under his Presidency is less authoritarian than Cameron, Romney or Thatcher and right-wing?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    @mamba: Thank You! It explains a few things... not well enough, but it`s better than nothing!

    Page 3 of the test has me lol-ing!
    #1 abortion question
    #3 "An Eye for an Eye..." in the Bible (Torah) this passage refers to... ABOROTIONS! (and what should happen to those who carry them out: a life for a life)

    "There are no savage and civilised peoples"
    I think they mean "savage peoples OR civilized peoples" Not to many Civilized Savages out there...



    Yes I answered honestly, no I did not cheat, all you H8ers can bite-me!
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
    1243 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 5:44 pm
    The test said i was left libeterian. It wouldn`t surprise me if most people are in that group, because all of the other tests i`ve done in my life i`m usually in the middle of the average of the whole.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    Oh yeah:
    Left/right = 1.75
    Libertarian/Author = 0.51

    We should make a new thread, just to post our results (with NO insulting allowed!)

    @Angilion: Obama`s got several hard left positions that move him that way, I`d place him just under the SECOND "r" in "AuthoritaRian" one, perhaps 2 squares down. Max.

    I objected to him being "as far right" as Romney, that`s just plain silly!

    It`s also tough to gauge Obama since his words rarely match his deeds:
    Word: I`ll end the Bush taxcuts (left)
    Deed: Re-signs Bush taxcuts... twice!

    & etc. This has been discussed enough elsewhere.


    Canadian Election 2011: The Bloc Quebecois needs to be UP towards Authoritarian at least 5 lines... they`re fascists! The site notes how difficult it is to "guage" them...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    @TheGuySmiley: It`s a human inclination to answer surveys or even quizzes in a more "liberal (left leaning)" way than they`d normally think. Or at the very least towards the center.
    Just a little factoid that`s been tested and observed for the past 50 years... it`s not THAT big a skew, but it`s consistant!

    I`d place myself 1 square to the right, (2 MAX) if I had to pick a spot for myself.

    @AnInsomniac: take 5 dots, place them randomly on the chart: that`s Rosanne Barr! Oh, move 1 dot randomly every 6 hours...
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    "Took the test, turns out I`m left libertarian. Who knew?"

    Mine was on the same spot as the Dalai Lama.

    "I am sure that Lenin and Hitler would come out as right wing in this"

    Hitler is on the chart if you take the test. Essentially center. Take the test as if you were Lenin, rather than yourself, since you are clearly aware he`d be far right. Post the results. The test is fun.
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    Enjin Male 30-39
    802 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    Guess I should be voting for Rocky Anderson. Maybe we should all just be forced to take a test to decide our vote so we can break out of this ridiculous two party system.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    I came out in a test as best voting for Gary Johnson. That would seem like a good idea to me if I had to vote in the US
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
    251 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    I found it to be quite inaccurate because of the dichotomy between ideals and reality. Deciding on a rating of importance between 1 and 4 and a scale of agreement between 1 and 4 is ambiguous more times than not when considering what could be (if more properties of an ideal were in effect than currently are) rather than what a situation is at the time.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    Whoever made that chart is a fapping f***tard.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    November 3, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    I think it`s funny when conservatives are like OMG NO WAYZ DEMOCRATS R RIGHT OF CENTER???!!! FOUL PLAY!!

    Congratulations, you just had an epiphany.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Over here, on the good side of the fence.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    Oh that`s just bullpoo.
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    Andicicle Male 18-29
    503 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:27 am
    This is actually not bullpoo at all. You are looking at a political compass. You can even take a look at the site.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:08 am
    I suspect that many conservatives will be confused as to just how libertarian us liberals are.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:51 am
    Well looky there!
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:04 am
    Mine, for the millions of you who have been waiting with bated breath... ;)

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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:14 am
    I think those of you who are surprised by Obama`s presence on the right of the graph have a highly US-centric view; The mainstream US political spectrum is highly skewed to the right-top in terms of absolute political dimension.

    An example of this is the presence of the US military overseas during peacetime in these regions. The US has had a strongly interventionist policy in place for decades; its variety of international relations is based far more on military might than diplomacy. That`s not a judgment; it`s just a statement of observation. Neither Obama nor Romney have any publicly-stated intent to "bring the troops home" from areas such as Europe, Japan or Brazil. Yet, political philosophies can certainly contain this intent, and some current presidential candidates have stated this intent.
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:14 am


    The US is a conservative state in its broad political philosophy; the Democrats and Republicans (generally) represent only minor deviations from each other, in absolute terms.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
    226 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 6:34 am
    Political Compass is a cool site and all, but it`s trying to simplify something that really isn`t simple at all.

    While it does give a broad outline on where someone stands in the political spectrum, it doesn`t really take specifics into account (and can`t really in that format).

    I could be far left on some policies, and far right on others, and a political candidate could complete opposite from me on all the policies, and we`d both still end up as "moderate" despite the candidate being the antithesis of what I believe in.
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    mrtomz Male 40-49
    164 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 7:00 am
    @nubblins, that`s because conservatives are idiots.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 8:28 am
    I edited mine for my dot to be purple :P I was surprised until I realized the horizontal axis is economic and the vertical axis is social. I prefer Jill Stein to all of the current candidates and she`s one of the two closest to my dot, but no one`s actually close :S. And I can`t say I`m surprised that Obama and Romney are so close.


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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 8:32 am
    @5cats ""There are no savage and civilised peoples"
    I think they mean "savage peoples OR civilized peoples" Not to many Civilized Savages out there..."

    I`m pretty sure they meant there are no savage people and there are no civilized people, there are simply different cultures. Meaning that one group of people aren`t savage people and another group aren`t civilized people, it`s just cultural differences.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 10:35 am
    Hi @auburnjunky! Welcome to the neighborhood! lolz!

    The US is a conservative state in its broad political philosophy
    @simbha: I cannot argue with that. Well said! I too ahve said Obama`s on the "right side" of the middle, just not that far right...

    Political Compass is a cool site and all, but it`s trying to simplify something that really isn`t simple...
    @Keyh: That`s true, it`s largely for amusement purposes.
    I was impressed by the number and variety of questions! That`s good methodology! I recall one "political party" type quiz that had 8 questions. EIGHT? WTF! What a joke.

    I`m pretty sure they meant there are no savage people and there are no civilized people, there are simply different cultures.
    @LillianDulci: Yes, that`s what I was getting at. Their phrasing was wrong, IMHO on that one question.
    Purple Dot = LOLZ! I love it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 4, 2012 at 11:27 am
    Wait, the LIBERTARIAN candidate falls dead center between Libertarian and Authoritarian?

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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    HG, the libertarian on this chart isn`t the same thing as the libertarian party. Confused me at first :S If he was further down (but in the same position to the right) he`d essentially be an anarchist. I don`t know much about Gary Johnson himself but from many of the libertarian`s I`ve spoken to, they wouldn`t be very far down on the libertarian scale if at all. And there are some things that might skew it, like if he thinks marriage shouldn`t be dictated by the country, then he might say no to gay marriage which is more toward authoritarian than libertarian on this chart. Just some thoughts.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    VV True that @LillianDulci! The bottom should read "Anarchy" with the middle line reading "Libertarian".
    One presumes the other axis reads "left, neutral, right" eh?
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    Zghost Male 13-17
    152 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    Wait, those aren`t he only two people you can vote for. There are several more candidates, and can`t you write in your own choice?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 5, 2012 at 4:22 am
    Where`s Roseanne?
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    November 5, 2012 at 9:49 am
    In whose ill-informed opinion??? The B. Hussein Obama dot should be firmly locked to the upper-left hand corner. The Romney dot should be down on the horizontal line and a bit more to the left.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    November 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
    AvatarJohn: I`m gonna stop taking you seriously from now on, okay?

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