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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8033 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Link: When Tips Piss You Off - Maybe single mom shouldn`t be spending so much on her bill if she can`t afford the tip...Agree or disagree I-A-B?
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    November 4, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    Undecided, depends on how many kids she has, and if it was a special occasion.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    I still think tipping is dumb, but if she can spend that much on a meal then she can at least tip a little.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 4, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    This "single mom" needs to be beaten by a rubber hose. Look, tipping is not required in all countries. Some places overseas pay a living wage to wait staff. In the US, however, wait staff makes about $2.25/hour. The only acceptable reason for not tipping is willfully poor service by the server. To go there and receive all that service is to enter into an unwritten contract that says that service will be paid for by the patron (at about 15% of the bill or so). To not do it is akin to stealing from the waiter/waitress IMHO.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
    612 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    maybe the server should get a job with a guaranteed income. i know too many servers that can pull $200+ on a single shift for me to ever care if they get "stiffed" once in a while.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    God, how many times do we have to revisit this debate? If you don`t have enough money to leave a tip then don`t go out or order something less expensive.
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    supersassyk8 Female 18-29
    403 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    I don`t think it`s anyone`s business why you don`t tip them. I hate tipping. So single mums shouldn`t treat the family once in a while? They should think to save longer to tip a waiter? No. Not IMO.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Tip should be optional in my opinion. I don`t tip, but have the courage to back up my convictions and would never make up pissy excuses like this.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Waiters and waitresses do not make a living wage and rely on their tips. Also, they have to share their tips with bussers and I believe the bartenders (someone can correct me if I am wrong). And to rack up a $140 bill and then use being a single mom as an excuse is appalling! Like I said, she should have ordered something cheaper or waited until she saved enough money....and damn, $140....
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    And furthermore, shouldn`t you model better behavior for your kids? My mom had to work a lot of jobs to put food on our table and a waitress was one of them so I have VERY LITTLE sympathy for non-nice individuals that like to stiff hard working people.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    SmagBoy1 - it should be the employer`s and the government`s responsibility to provide a decent wage, not the customer.
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    gothmo Female 18-29
    1324 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    @super

    Idk about over there but over here a lot of waiters don`t get paid minimum wage so they live off of tips. So, in certain places at least, not tipping a good waiter is a real dick move. Plus if she could spend that much on food she can leave a decent tip, or go somewhere with cheaper food. If I remember correctly though waiters in my state get paid minimum wage plus tips. So I feel less bad about not tipping a bad waiter.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Hows about you get a real job that doesn`t turn you into an entitled aszhole?
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    KLouD Male 30-39
    254 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    You hate tipping? Do us all a favor and never eat at a restaurant. In fact just jump off a bridge you inconsiderate f*cktard.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    I just don`t get the expectation of receiving a tip as a normal part of doing business. For exceptional service, sure. But not just because you`ve got a lousy job, and certainly not merely because I`ve spent more money than you deem acceptable at the business that employs you and pays your wages. I`m with Mr Pink from Reservoir Dogs on this one.
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    Bredlom Male 18-29
    41 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Now we watch the waiters argue with everyone else
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    You hate tipping? Do us all a favor and never eat at a restaurant. In fact just jump off a bridge you inconsiderate f*cktard.

    What a fecking moron. This just in: the world doesn`t owe you a living, so lose the sense of self-entitlement, and if you want more money go and get yourself a decent job doing something more worthwhile for society than pouring coffee.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    If you can`t afford the tip, you can`t afford the $138.35 meal in the first place. Go to a less expensive restaurant, or eat at home. I can eat for 2 weeks on $138.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    If you don`t take into financial consideration a tip before dining out, you should not dine out. You cannot afford to eat out if you cannot afford a tip, because servers cannot afford not to be tipped.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    I work a job where tips pay more than my hourly wage. And it`s all party goers so rarely do I get stiffed by tightwads like this woman...or have to deal with them at all for that matter.

    I love my job!
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    Get off your f ucking high horse MacGuffin! Everyone has to start somewhere and what the drat is wrong with being a waiter? It`s a honest living. Are you always a snobby b itch? Take the silver spoon out your ass!
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    "What a fecking moron. This just in: the world doesn`t owe you a living, so lose the sense of self-entitlement, and if you want more money go and get yourself a decent job doing something more worthwhile for society than pouring coffee"

    Getting paid for a job done is not self-entitlement non-nice individual. You are not entitled to a pleasant dining experience.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    "I just don`t get the expectation of receiving a tip as a normal part of doing business."

    Let me be your waiter, barber, doorman, or cabbie. I`m a massive dick period, who finds slowing down productivity (as is the case with waiting and holding doors) to be infuriating, almost as much as I find appeasing the interests and concerns of strangers (as can be the case with all professions listed). I have NO desire to make anyone other than myself and those I care for happy.

    That, and the fact that working below minimum wage is a fun means of tax evasion, which I`m 100% for, is a lot of the reason I feel most Americans will always defend tipping.
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    jujo19834 Female 18-29
    24 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    Sadly tipping a server when you go out to restaurant is the customers responsibility. I do not agree with it but that is the norm here. Not tipping your server is beyond messed up as this person is essentially waiting on you for free. If you are unable to provide a tip then you should not go out to dinner. Especially if the service was good. Maybe you should`ve ordered take out if you did not want to give a tip.
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    bompa1997 Male 60-69
    92 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    In most resteraunts your tip is considered part of your salary.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11742 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    Cheap bitch. If you can`t afford a tip, don`t spend almost $140 on food. I`d remember her if she ever showed up again and I`d poo in her food.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    That`s the problem Scuz, no one has any empathy. If it isn`t affecting them, then it doesn`t matter. How on earth can we teach kids this when adults don`t give 2 poos about anyone else. Why do you think we have so many damn bullies, criminals, and moral-less people? You`ve obviously never went to bed hungry and been without & that`s great but the world is a little bit bigger than yourself.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    I think if you`re going out to a meal where you plan on spending a lot of money, you should account for a tip in your budget as well. Dick move.
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    Roland Male 30-39
    288 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    I hope this is fake, if not that is disgusting.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    "sorry single mum"
    who spent 138 on a meal? dadrat...
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    First they want you to enter their establishment, give them your business and pay for the food - and then take care of their staff?

    Over here it`s not customary to tip, but a lot do anyway. It`s lower though, in the 5- 10 pst. range, and if the service is nothing special than you don`t have to tip.

    P.S. People who serve give good service because they enjoy their work, and frankly as a costumer i prefer that, rather than fake smiles from desperate and underpaid waiters.
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    jay Male 30-39
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    November 4, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    I`ve found over the years that tipping is very much a cultural thing. Throughout N. America, a tip is perceived as a gratuity for a job well done. Don`t tip bad service, but tip well for exceptional service. Most servers don`t make minimum wage from their employers. Don`t ever look down on them though. A good server or bartender at a busy spot can make a few hundred dollars or more on a Friday or Saturday night.

    In some cultures, tipping is actually considered an insult. It`s viewed as a hand out.

    Overall, it`s best when travelling to follow local customs. Don`t be an @$$ and insult the people working hard to serve you...
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    Cheap fecker
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    notsoclassy Female 30-39
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    November 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Here in the province of Quebec the government assumes that wait staff are tipped 15% for every meal they serve and so waiters/waitresses are expected to pay their income tax accordingly. That means if the waiter gets stiffed on the tip, the government still expects the income tax on the tip that never came. I always leave a tip of at least 15%, more if the service was really good or my kids were really bad, but I resent bills that automatically add a tip. IMO a tip should be optional and the amount based on local accepted percentages and level of satisfaction of service. Having said that, leaving no tip on a bill as big as this woman`s, thats plain ignorant, especially when she claims the service was so good.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1038 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Single mom that bought dinner for her kids... why is everyone assuming it was just for her?Anyone who thinks they are entitled to a gratuity outta give their head a shake.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    November 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    I wonder how many servers are single moms?

    EAT AT HOME, BITCH.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    This "single mom" needs to be beaten by a rubber hose.
    How nice of you @SmagBoy! ANYONE who DARES to disagree with you should be VIOLENTLY BEATEN!
    Obviously!

    @lostinkorea and @OldOllie: I disagree! A person has a RIGHT to eat where they choose. No one can ever take that right away, period.
    A waiter does NOT have a `right to a tip`! It is 100% the choice of the customer to tip or not.

    See? For all ya`ll IAB Libtards who think @CrakrJak, @OldOllie and I are one person? Pbbt!

    @supersassy, @MrOrange, @WeePee @spanerbulb & others: them I agree with.

    @LillianDulci: I`d agree in principle, but many waiters take a "small tip" as an insult! I`ve been berated for "only" tipping 8%! The service was so-so, the food overpriced. It was reduced to ZERO after he whined about it.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Get off your f ucking high horse MacGuffin! Everyone has to start somewhere and what the drat is wrong with being a waiter? It`s a honest living. Are you always a snobby b itch? Take the silver spoon out your ass!

    I don`t have a silver spoon, you gobby know-nothing. My mother was a cleaner, and my father worked as a welder. I myself started out at age 13 making £15 a week, also cleaning. My first `adult` job, age 16, paid £7000 per annum and it was bloody hard unskilled manual labour in a shipyard. Neither I nor my parents expected someone else to tip us merely because we had pooty jobs that nobody valued very much.

    ...
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    These days, I run my own company, live in a very nice house, and do work that I find interesting and that pays me well. I doubt any of that would have happened if I`d been encouraged to stick with a job that didn`t add much value to society by people tipping me.

    So get off of your self-entitled arse, and get a job that society values. Or quit bitching. Either way, I`ll continue only to tip if the service actually deserves it, and not because some twat with an ill-deserved sense of self-entitlement tells me to. Deal with it. Your idea of how a waiting job should work differs from begging in the streets only by the small difference that the person demanding you subside their unwise career choices brings you coffee first.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    Getting paid for a job done is not self-entitlement non-nice individual. You are not entitled to a pleasant dining experience.

    So, what was the $138 for, dummy? Plate hire? She`s already paid for the food, and her dining experience. She`s not there to pay for some self-entitled arsehole of a waiter too.

    Jees, for a country that hates the idea of free health care and that considers any form of welfare to be Communist, you Americans certainly do have a strange idea of who should be paying the staff at the eating establishments in which you spend your money.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    a single mom but spent almost $140 eating out? suspicioso...

    gotta agree with 5Cats though. if you dont wanna tip then dont. simple as that.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6190 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    5Cats

    "See? For all ya`ll IAB Libtards who think @CrakrJak, @OldOllie and I are one person? Pbbt!"

    I don`t think that. If I recall correctly, Crakr is a crazy bible-verbatim true believer, you are a middle of the road christian that takes the bible less literally, while Ollie is an Atheist that thinks religion is for morons.

    Politically you guys are in absolute lockstep but your comments are full of condescending sarcasm, "LOLZ", and "ehs", while Ollie`s are full of bitter anger, resentment, and profanity, and Crakr tends to just be veritably inaccurate.
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    Funkytoes Female 18-29
    170 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    For once I couldn`t agree more with you MacGuffin. No service, no bonus. But then again, it`s different here in Scandinavia. They usually include the "tip" in the price here.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
    559 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    If you can`t afford to tip, you can`t afford to eat out.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    if you cannot afford to tip, you cannot afford to eat out.

    if you can afford to but do not tip when the service is decent ot very good you are a low life.

    simple as that.

    this includes people like the cat lady (man?) making comments about not having to tip...NO you don`t have to but you also don`t have to be a decent human being...which you are clearly demonstrating.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    November 4, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    HolyGod

    you are spot on about those three but you are still understating things...lol
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    sharpydufc Male 18-29
    89 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    The uk is getting like our Scandinavian cousin... They just sneak 20% on the bill. I don`t mind tipping but it just seems a presumptuous to stick straight on the bill without asking.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    For once I couldn`t agree more with you MacGuffin. No service, no bonus. But then again, it`s different here in Scandinavia. They usually include the "tip" in the price here.

    I`ve no problem with businesses "including" the tip in the quoted price. Just don`t ask me to pay 20% *extra* on top of the price quoted. That`s not *including* anything, that`s adding a charge I`ve not agreed to on to an already expensive bill.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Here in Asia the 10% is tacked on automatically, but the money does not go to the servers. So i end up paying additional. 10%. Usually in Cash to make sure that the server gets a tip. They are paid by hour, we still don`t have minimum wage. No benefits, no bonuses. They do appreciate a tip.
    It the service was exceptionally bad. I have not tipped. That is very rare though.
    Don`t wanna judge this `single mother` but I that server could be a single mother too.
    In States you know to estimate the cost of the meal with gratuity, it`s an industry norm.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    MacGuffin, I hope every server who ever handles your food spits in it.
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
    1081 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    If she is a single mom that is too tight on cash to give her server a decent tip then she has no business spending 138 bucks on a meal in the first place..I can go to the store on 138 and buy groceries for a couple of weeks.
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    Datastrom Female 18-29
    31 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    Tipping = begging. Up to me if I give it out or not. My business transaction involved paying for the meal at an agreed price. You telling me you are getting less than minimum wage has no bearing on my economic transaction. I don`t tip my mechanic, I don`t tip my accountant. If anything it shows that you are inept at seeking other employment and "have" to be a waitress and are trying to make your life choices my problem.
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    CurlybackJoe Male 18-29
    222 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    Ugh not the tipping debate again.. I`m so screwed when I leave my corner of the world because I just don`t understand the concept of tipping someone. So apparently all my servers are going to spit in my food because I don`t pay them extra.. seriously?? WTF is wrong with people?!
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    Fantom2993 Male 18-29
    342 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    I don`t mind leaving a tip. A couple bucks, maybe even $5 for great service, sure. But why should I have to leave the server the equivalent of a whole `nother meal if I take my family out to dinner? Okay, serving food and refilling drinks is tough. I do construction, my job is a damn sight harder than waiting tables, and not once have I ever received a tip. I work too hard for my money to give it away to somebody who walked 20 ft to bring food and a pepsi to my table.
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    FascismYeah Male 18-29
    40 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    Construction isn`t harder than waiting tables. They`re both unskilled labor.
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    Golkar Male 18-29
    391 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    So..Nobody has the right to tell anyone else how to spend their money, unless you are the one DIRECTLY giving the money to them. Is her spending a good idea? Probably not. Is it anyone`s business? Nnnnnope. Shut the drat up.
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    FascismYeah Male 18-29
    40 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    "So, what was the $138 for, dummy? Plate hire? She`s already paid for the food, and her dining experience. She`s not there to pay for some self-entitled arsehole of a waiter too. "

    That $138 pays for rent, utilities, licences, inspections, cook`s pay, dishwasher`s pay, busser`s pay, prep cooks, the chef and manager`s salaries, food, ice, water, receipt paper, cleaning supplies, equipment repairs and maintenance, and about $10-20 goes straight to the owner.
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    Arcval Male 18-29
    304 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    I don`t tip. Then again, I live in a civilised country where the staff actually get paid and get free healthcare.
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
    700 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    Yeah our minium wage is like $20 ph for over 18`s no need for a tip here lol
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    My job is harder than waiting tables as well. I`m a mother.


    I get paid in hugs and kisses and dirty diapers.
    No complaints here :P
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    thefatkid77 Male 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    Nubblins, your an idiot, and your baby-daddy probably pays your bills. Many waitresses are mothers too and they actually have to support themselves and their children, by themselves. No poo you aren`t complaining. You probably wouldn`t know what to do with yourself if you had to work.
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    pfkdxius Male 18-29
    314 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    Maybe it`s silly to do it this way, but in a lot of states in the US a waiter or waitress gets paid less than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will make up the difference. You should always tip at least %10, or else that person isn`t making a reasonable wage.
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    thefatkid77 Male 18-29
    112 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    Wow, this whole thread is full of non-nice individuals. I used to wait tables, I`ve been in the military, and I`ve done physical labor. Of the three, waiting tables was, on more occasions, the most stressful and difficult. If your waiter or waitress is halfway decent, please tip. By refusing to tip anyone, you are encouraging poor service and discouraging good service.
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    Bullish Male 30-39
    108 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Waiters get paid 2.12/hr where I live. You have to be a complete A hole to not tip because of `single motherhood` as a reason. Bad service, legitimate - not enough money, cook at home or go to a fast food restaurant.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    You`re making assumptions about my life. I`m definitely not an idiot. That`s quite rich coming from someone who can`t distinguish between contractions and possessive pronouns.
    I don`t agree with tipping, but I do it anyway. The waiters and waitresses in my state already make minimum wage and it isn`t that difficult of a job. Oh, boo hoo. You have to write down an order and fill up drinks--big freaking deal. Try working retail on Black Friday weekend. People are already paying for their meal, and I have no sympathy.
    But as I said, I pay out of guilt and habit. The little "tip" thing is always on my receipt.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5877 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    spanerbulb-"should be the employer`s and the government`s responsibility to provide a decent wage"

    Sorry, it`s not the government`s job to provide a wage.

    As far as the employer, most wait staff make a living wage (if they`re good). If you`re wait staff and NOT making a living wage, you suck at your job.

    In the US, Wait staff makes less than minimum wage as their tips are figured into the wage. (If they`re getting money, it`s a wage.).

    You COULD force owners to pay wait staff at least minimum wage, at which time they should place a disclaimer on the menu `Our Wait Staff Are Not Allowed To Accept Tips`.

    I`m a great tipper. The highest I`ve ever tipped was over 100%. But I expect service. My worst tip was I cost the waiter his job.

    Arcval-"get free healthcare."

    It`s not free. SOMEone is paying for it.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 4, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Smagboy said it best... In America, you tip the server. If you don`t, for any reason other than bad service, you are a douchebag loser. Period.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    Whose to say the waitress isn`t a single mom? And unless she`s a single mom of 10 kids there`s no reason she needs to spend $138 to feed her family.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    November 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    The lowest I`ve I`ve given is 10%. And that was with a server who kept forgetting about us. She came over to take our order without even giving us menus. Then took forever to give us our bill.
    I always give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it`s busy, they are new, having a bad day, ect.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    November 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Bullish:
    $2.12 an hour?? Are you serious? I made better than that at age 16 back in the 70s! The minimum wage around here is $10.25.
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    DFWBrysco Male 40-49
    307 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    I have always tipped a server. My rule is whichever is more - $5.00 or 20% of the total bill.

    However, that being said - I have absolutely no problem making bad service issues known to the server - IN A NICE WAY (i.e., "Sorry to bother you, but I am really dehydrated. Can you keep a closer eye on my drink for refills?") - to let them know I am unhappy and expect better. If they can`t do better, then I escalate to the manager and request a different server. However, generally just a word to the bad server gets a vast improvement in service and hence, a minimum 20% or $5.00 tip.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    "$2.12 an hour?? Are you serious? I made better than that at age 16 back in the 70s! The minimum wage around here is $10.25."

    $2.12 an hour means this citizen pays NO taxes. If this was a semi attractive, nice, female waitress working at a decent restaurant, she`s very likely making ~$15 dollars an hour. If she`s single without children, not in school, and not a homeowner, that ~$15 an hour means she`d have to pay taxes in the US. This alone is one of the biggest reasons I`m a proponent for those who work below the minimum wage. Tax evasion on low-moderate income citizens is awesome imo. I feel more professions should do this. Teachers for instance, it forces the parents to get to know their child`s teachers because they`re constantly having to tip the teacher, and if the teacher is doing poorly, the parents will make it known.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    There are a number of other professions that require a large amount of interaction with relative strangers I feel could benefit from lower wages and higher/expected tipping policies that will never actually happen, but would very likely benefit everyone involved minus the federal government. Frak taxes.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5877 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    Scuzoid-"if the teacher is doing poorly, the parents will make it known."

    What? A teacher being held accountable? Being paid based on performance?

    It`s antiquated concepts like `responsibility` and `good-work performance` that Teachers` Unions fight against.

    After all, schools are not for educating children! Schools exist to give liberal teachers and administrators jobs.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    If you can`t afford to tip than you can`t afford to eat out. Go to McDonalds and buy food off the dollar menu. And if you are a "single mom" that cant afford to tip, then for the love of whatever god you pray to, dont blow $138 on a meal
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Interesting how so many people feel free to tell OTHERS how and where they can spend THEIR money!
    Closet socialists much?
    Your money: Let ME tell you where you`re allowed to spend it...

    I have the most important job on Earth: I`m a child care worker. 8 little 3 year olds, 7.5 hours a day. NO tips, ever!
    Children > Carrying food from the kitchen where someone else cooked it who gets paid less than you AND no tips!

    (I was a CCW before I got sick... sicker actually)
    (OK, Nubblins is correct: Mom is #1 I`m #1.1 ;-) )
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 10:47 pm
    Ollie is an Atheist that thinks religion is for morons.
    True, I`m an atheist, but I don`t think religion is for morons. After all, Einstein, Newton, and Pascal were believers. However, I do think that atheists who insult and denigrate believers are morons.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6190 posts
    November 4, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    OldOllie

    "After all, Einstein, Newton, and Pascal were believers."

    No. Not true. I don`t know how that lie gets passed around. Einstein was a self described agnostic.

    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

    (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

    There are several quotes of Einstein calling religious people "feeble minded" and calling religion "childish superstition".
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    banjolegs Male 30-39
    176 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 3:39 am
    what exactly is the convention for tipping in the US? In the UK I`ll tip IF I get service that merits it..
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    Johanvb Male 40-49
    496 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 3:53 am
    If she went there with eight friends of her child on it`s birthday and she saved a year to get het kid a partydinner i can understand the `single mom` remark.
    If she went there for a champagne lunch after a shopping spree, it`s a whole different story.
    But unless anyone can verify this, this i just a bill with a comment, nothing more.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 5:39 am
    Cue Reservoir Dogs quote
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 6:11 am
    You COULD force owners to pay wait staff at least minimum wage, at which time they should place a disclaimer on the menu `Our Wait Staff Are Not Allowed To Accept Tips`.
    Or you could just wait in Canada and have both. ;-)

    If you don`t want to leave a tip then don`t leave one, but don`t pretend it`s because you can`t afford it when you go out for a $140 supper for you and your kids. Just leave it blank and live with the fact that you`re cheap.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5877 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 6:23 am
    5Cats-"I have the most important job on Earth: I`m a child care worker."

    Sorry, the majority would not consider that the `most important job on Earth`. It`s an important job, sure, but don`t be so full of yourself.

    banjolegs-"what exactly is the convention for tipping in the US?"

    In the US, for wait staff tips usually start at around 15-20%, but go up and down based on quality of service and the person tipping.

    Some people do not tip, that`s okay.
    Some people tip more, that`s better.

    I`ve found the best tippers are middle-class working people and business owners.

    I`ve found the worst tippers are lawyers and Baptists (but only bad on Sunday after church for some reason).

    Men tend to tip more than women. Younger tip better than older. Whites tend to tip more than blacks (cue racism comments, but research has held that to be true).
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2209 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 7:04 am
    If you can`t afford to tip KEEP YOUR BROKE ASS AT HOME.

    Oh, and `single mom?`

    Nobody gives a poo. See the statement above.
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    Jeemo88 Male 18-29
    77 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 8:20 am
    So tacky! If you can`t afford the bill, which includes tip, don`t go out to eat, that simple.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5877 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Jeemo88-"If you can`t afford the bill, which includes tip."

    Sorry, the bill does not inlude the tip. A tip is voluntary. No one is required to tip.
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    AtheistAlien Male 30-39
    809 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 8:54 am
    It happens. Live with it. There is no requirement to tip and I think it`s ridiculous. Why don`t I just give you more money for doing your job? No thanks. Acquire a skill and work somewhere that you don`t have to depend on the handouts of other people because you`re going to be disappointed if you don`t.
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    phirephoto Male 30-39
    326 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 9:11 am
    @MeGrendel: I believe what Jeemo88 means is if you can`t afford the bill and the tip. And in some places in some cases - ie parties of 8 or more, a tip is automatically added. This could be one - 8 people and a $14 meal each plus drinks....
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 9:31 am
    @banjolegs: It`s supposed to be between 10%-15% (pre-tax) in Canada and the USA. However arguements arise if it is "mandatory" or not.
    IAb had a "world wide tipping chart" explaining who expects what tips where, but I`m too lazy to look for it.

    It`s an important job, sure, but don`t be so full of yourself.
    @MeGrendel: I was being slightly sarcastic, eh? I KNOW there`s plenty of important jobs out there, BUT what`s more important than your own son or daughter? Ask any parent that...

    @AtheistAlien: True that! Every waitress I`ve known, if they`re even so-so at their job, makes loads of tip money from part-time work without paying tax on it! Nice! And ALL of them complain! lolz!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 10:21 am
    You can spend $138 on a meal leave a tip you cheap f**k!!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 10:28 am
    @MacGuffin

    Oh look a cheap scot....
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    pfkdxius Male 18-29
    314 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    @carmium
    Here is a list of wages for tipped employees by state. I don`t know how they get away with being so different or why we don`t have different tipping etiquette for each state.
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    Tipping a server is a social norm. In other words, it is not required but socially expected. So much so that employers are able to pay them just a fraction of minimum wage. In America (and many other places) if you do not tip for decent service, you are a douche. You are effectively stealing from your server.

    And yes, servers DO pay taxes on their tips. Many try to under-report their tips, but the IRS has what they call "McWater`s formula" to determine, and tax you on, the amount you SHOULD have made, whether you did or not. (At least that`s what they told me in the 80`s when they hit me for over $2000 in "backtaxes and penalties" for claiming what I actually made instead of what their formula came up with.)
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
    1106 posts
    November 5, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    I hate tips, but you know it going into the restaurant. So she knew tips are part of it, and didn`t care if one single mom screwed another single mom. Nice.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    November 6, 2012 at 11:09 am
    agree

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