Top 10 Best & Worst Educated States... [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago

...and how they voted in the 2012 US Presidential election.
Credits: HappyPlace
There are 79 comments:
Male 729
Just goes to show that, no matter how educated people may be, they can still make dropout-level decisions.
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Male 546
Arrogant liberal`s believe if you are educated you will think as they?
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Male 3,431
Colorado continues to make me proud.
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Male 7,907
5Cats

"ALL were bogus, made up, based on "doctored" numbers & etc."

Yes. Any facts that you don`t agree with are "doctored" or "biased". Look at the source. It is from FOX Business. You think FOX is biased? Get a grip.

1. It doesn`t mean democrats are smarter, nor does it mean more educated people vote for Obama. All it means is that states that vote for Obama are more educated. Obama won states with urban areas because urban areas are where you find minorities and unions. Well urban areas are also where you find high concentration of universities as well as high concentrations of educated people whether they are republicans or democrats.

It is fairly simple you don`t need to get your panties in a bunch.

Look through this thread at how many conservatives are demonizing college just like Rick Santorum, THAT is the republican party`s real problem. They use "intellectuals" as a slam.
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Male 293
Becaws evereebuddy noes uh koledje ejamacashun maykes peeple noes jest abowt gol durn EVERTHANG...
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Male 36,374
Oh heavens! Not this AGAIN!

Endless varieties of this came out after George Bush won, especially the second time.
ALL were bogus, made up, based on "doctored" numbers & etc.

BUT several IABers thought they were TOTALLY TRUE! Still do to this day, apparently!
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Male 646
Yeah, but all dem yankees have book smarts, but ain`t got no street smarts! ;-)
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Male 7,378
Ouch! Truth hurts.
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Male 579
Are these the sae people that told us Obamacare was deficit neutral? What a joke! Even if it were true.... college students? Puuhhhlease!!! They hook you up to a liberal IV drip the second you get to campus and get your degree in Green Studies!
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Male 7,907
drips

Ya. Kinda the point I was trying to make. Maybe they teach how it makes sense at the University of Kentucky.

JK.
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Male 904
Can someone help me with elkingo`s chart? I don`t understand how to divide "Most Conservative States by SAT Scores". The way it`s phrased it like dividing the prettiest girls at the party by the number of buttons they have.
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Male 5,811
@Elkingo: Oh, it makes sense. I`m just surprised a uni would let you use your english credit 3 times. Usually a uni will require you to take a different language/humanities requirement to fulfil the credits needed. If you got away with using certain electives 3 times to get 3 degrees, I`m just surprised that uni isn`t trying to make more money by limiting the transfer of credits to subsequent degrees.
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Male 7,907
elkingo

The chart you posted is totally crap dude.

1. It is "Most Conservative States divided by SAT Scores". They rate a state`s conservativeness and then divide that by average SAT score, which is meaningless. Start rolling over states. Average SAT in Texas is 989 while Minnesota`s average SAT is 1,199. Yet Texas is darker.

2. This site, or at least their SAT score data is f.ucked. Click SAT scorers and look at the map. It is pure common sense that that can`t possibly be accurate.

3. The fact that you sent this link to show how smart conservative states are, which it doesn`t do at all, simply shows you can`t read a simple chart or data and proves EXACTLY the opposite of what you intended. No offense.
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Male 5,620
Here.

Conservative states also have the highest SAT combined scores.

Equating intelligence with a degree with political affiliation is really silly.
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Male 5,620
I also worked on all three at the same time -- my undergrad took me 5 years, but I always took like 15-21 hours per semester.

I also graduated with a 3.7 overall GPA (3.9 in Psychology).
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Male 5,620
@patchgrabber

I completed the basic requirements -- intro courses, health courses, required cultural ones..

then I completed all the courses for a psychology major -- which I think is 21 courses total -- not 100% sure it has been 3 years.

I also completed the courses for a religious studies degree, those didn`t over lap my psych courses, but I didn`t have to "retake" intro to biology for example.

I also completed the courses for a history degree.. those didn`t overlap my religious studies or psychology courses.

However, for all three I was not required to take English 101 3 times. Make sense?
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Male 64
Dunning–Kruger effect means that all the "dumb" states will just assume this means that more education make you wrong.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Myself, I completes the core curriculum, and then the courses required for a major in psychology, history, and religion.[/quote]
Wait, so they let you re-use class credits for three separate degrees? I was able to transfer only electives in my undergrad towards my second undergrad degree. The second one still took almost 3 years to complete even then. The uni I attended doesn`t even allow you to get 2 arts or 2 science degrees, due to the sharing of credits (which means less money for the uni).
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Male 5,620
Oh, and by the way - UK is ranked #1 in research productivity in h-index ratings. Clicky
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Male 5,620
@antagonizer

Yeah... here is a partial list of published items from UK`s health sciences alone: clicky.
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Male 5,620
@davy "Elkingo (being slightly cheeky here), but I see that none of your anecdotal degrees are in mathematics and statistics..."

I study statistics quite a bit davy, and you know that! Lol. I find it somewhat annoying that poor stats get posted, when in truth there is a lot of missing data:

(My major point) In Kentucky there may be less degrees, but that leaves out many sub-items.

People in Kentucky, like me, who do go to college often achieve more than 1 degree - these stats didn`t account for that.

Many of the jobs in Kentucky require technical training (not a college degree, but requires years of schooling post-high school)

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Male 296
Also notice that the majority of the states listed that voted for Romney are also below the Mason-Dixon line. The amount people who voted for Romney strictly because hes white, is much higher than you realize. Sadly, racism is still a major issue in the US.
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Male 5,620
@HolyGod -- Lmao.. I never noticed how Fayette Co. voted, but you have to admit it was close there.. 60.7 k vrs 62.0 k.
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Male 5,620
@davy "You get a separate degree for each thing you studied over there? Or she spent her degree program studying those subjects?"

I can`t tell if you are trolling or being serious, so I will explain. We achieved the curriculum for a bachelor`s degree in each of those separate areas. Myself, I completes the core curriculum, and then the courses required for a major in psychology, history, and religion. I want to say I have almost 200 hours in when I completed my undergraduate work. I now have 51 hours in toward a Master`s degree.
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Male 89
tells you all you need to know about republicans views..
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Male 2,850
@TruTenrMan

"Having a college degree in "Feminine Studies" does not make one "educated"."

Technically it does, in that the word "educated" in its most literal sense means "having received an education". The word has no bearing on how good the education is.

"I do effing electrical engineering on a daily basis"

If you`re an employed electrical engineer, or similar, why wouldn`t you say so specifically?

Saying you "do" it on a daily basis doesn`t mean much. I "do" cooking on a daily basis, because I cook dinner at home. That doesn`t really give me a footing to snub my nose at those hoity-toity educated chefs.
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Male 7,907
Fleaman1797

"Sambo"

Ya. Keep telling yourself racism had NOTHING to do with the Obama hate Republicans.

SO funny. When someone on here says something that is absolutely retarded, I don`t even need to check that they are from the "Southern US". It is a given.
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Male 718
To those who voted for Obammy
I weep for what this country is gonna be like after Sambo is done with it. Scrub President is Scrub.
he didnt do diddly dratin squat for us 4 years ago, he wont do diddly drating squat for us now. live with it you "intellectual" Dumbasses
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Male 4,547
Incidentally can we please take into account one factor: Republicans: Tax cuts for the wealthy.

It is intelligent for a wealthy person to vote for Republicans. It is not good for America.

That the wealthy can vote for their best interests does not in any way demonstrate that they vote in the interest of America.
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Male 4,547
"Once I see how they came to their Data and if they excluded certain degrees will I accept a chart like that. And Starting up your own business from scratch and not getting a university education(debt) doesn`t make you any less smart just a different way of doing something. One way to argue, business generally supports republicans the people who own, run and create things. The workers go out to college get a degree to work in said companies and get paid less. Who`s Smarter? So many ways you can spin this either way not worth arguing"

Except America has the lowest social mobility it has ever had, demonstrating that it`s not intellect that grants you success, but your parent`s success.

More so in America than anywhere too. Doesn`t take brains to be born rich. (Or to look that up. Do it.)
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Male 560
And how many of those degrees are essentially worthless from low grade universities in mickey mouse subjects. Once I see how they came to their Data and if they excluded certain degrees will I accept a chart like that. And Starting up your own business from scratch and not getting a university education(debt) doesn`t make you any less smart just a different way of doing something. One way to argue, business generally supports republicans the people who own, run and create things. The workers go out to college get a degree to work in said companies and get paid less. Who`s Smarter? So many ways you can spin this either way not worth arguing
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Male 2,345
as Rick Santorum said, the GOP will never have the smart people.

he`s right of course, cus well, smart people are too smart to be republicans.
the biggest sell out party ever, bar-none.
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Male 7,907
AvatarJohn

I can`t tell if you are doing a pitch perfect characture or you`re a complete mouth breathing imbecile. You just laid a smattering of bulls.hit across several posts. If you`re trying to be funny, congrats.
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Male 1,059
Proof that colleges are churning out brain-dead idiots.
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Male 7,907
elkingo

"here in Kentucky we have University of Kentucky"

Yes. Yes you do. Wonderful school. The University of Kentucky is located in Lexington. Lexington is in Fayette county. Fayette county voted for Obama.

Hahahahaha.
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Male 508
@elkingo "Yea.. here in Kentucky we have University of Kentucky... one of the top research schools in the Union."

Ya I`ve heard they`ve done some ground breaking research in the field of breaded poultry. Truly inspirational.
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Male 12,138
Also, [quote]my sister has 4 degrees (undergrad: Psych, English, Comm, MA Clinical Psychology)[/quote]
You get a separate degree for each thing you studied over there? Or she spent her degree program studying those subjects?

I`m confused now. Where I come from, you spend 3-4 years studying e.g geology in my case fro my undergrad. I took modules in chemistry, physics, biology, mathematics etc, but my single undergrad degree was in geology, after 3 years of work. To go on and get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th degree in chemistry, physics and biology would have taken 12 years.

Not being an ass I hope, just don`t understand.
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Male 7,907
davymid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Brilliant.
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Male 12,138
vv Elkingo (being slightly cheeky here), but I see that none of your anecdotal degrees are in mathematics and statistics...
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Male 5,620
Yea.. here in Kentucky we have University of Kentucky... one of the top research schools in the Union. Piss of liberals.

I hold 3 degrees (undergrad in Psychology, Religious Studies, and History) and am working on a MA in Clinical Psychology (by APA standards). My wife is finishing a degree in psych, and my sister has 4 degrees (undergrad: Psych, English, Comm, MA Clinical Psychology). My brother has a degree in Computer Programming.

*rolls eyes*
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Male 181
Nice try, Xprez, but most welfare recipients are white, and Romney won the white vote -- white males, anyway.

Ever heard of the Tea Party? Lotta welfare recipients in the Tea Party.

But take solace in the fact that correlation =/= causation: that chart would look almost identical if it rated industrialization and infrastructure instead of education. It`s possible that it`s more reflective of states where labor is more represented than reflective of degreed professionals.
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Male 3,909
@HG - Nope, we get raises based on different factor, including cost of living, every 6 months to 1 year. That, and being union, I pay into an actual pension, none of that 401k bullsh*t, I know exactly how much money I`ll be getting after retirement right now, aside from any cost of living increases of course. Depends on the union, but with mine we also get pay raises based on how many certifications we get, the union pays for the training and I get more money. I`ve done the math because at one point I thought that would happen when you top out but that`s not the case.
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Male 676
Give me a break. Look out into the sea of faces during any of the past speeches given by Obama. Please don`t try to tell me those people are of "higher intelligence". Also, because a state has a higher percentage of people with college degrees, doesn`t mean that those with the degrees voted for Obama. 43 million on welfare, how many of those have college degrees? How many voted for Obama? I think you`ll find a pretty strong correlation between the two.
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Male 7,907
Andrew155

"As far as addressing demographics I would say blue areas in the south and midwest are a mixture of poor minorities and union labor. Blue areas in the northeast are intellectuals and liberals. Blue areas in urban areas on the coasts are a mixture of intellectuals, liberals, poor minorities and union labor. Blue areas in the mountains and plains areas are environmentalists, artists, liberals, and migrant workers.

Red sections near urban areas are rich white people and suburban middle class white people. Red sections in the rest of the country are a mixture of religious people, rednecks, and white middle class.

There are smart and dumb democrats and republicans.

However I`d say the smartest people, the true intellectual elite are mostly democrats. While the dumbest people, the uneducated social parasites are also democrats. Everything in between is a mixture.
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Male 7,907
Andre155

"I would like to point out that the most obvious "blue" areas in that map of Purple America are in the South, in "red" states. Address these issues I`m bringing up. I`ve made three posts so far and nobody seems to want to."

That map is counties. So very large spots of color tend to be large, sparsely populated areas. Whereas small spots of color tend to be more densely populated areas.

It really is in no way inductive of population preference.

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Male 7,907
whodat6484 & TruTenrMan

Skilled blue collar labor like electicians and plumbers are going to make far more in their 20s than recent white collar college graduates on average.

However, your income will probably max out in your 30s unless you open up your own business. Meanwhile, your white collar counterparts for the most part will continue to get promotions and raises until they retire.

There is no denying that a college degree statistically equates to more income over a lifetime. Not always obviously, but statistically.
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Male 7,907
Andrew155

"I also wonder what people will think of this. "

Here are some thoughts:

1. It is from a book called "Democrats and Republicans - Rhetoric and Reality: Comparing the Voters in Statistics and Anecdotes" written by Joseph Fried whom I can find nothing about.

2. The fact that it is only men instead of all people leads me to believe that it was chosen specifically to work out as well as possible for him.

3. It contradicts the exit poll data you just linked to.

4. The National Election Studies raw data (which the chart sources): http://tinyurl.com/avfyrz7 leads me to believe the chart is absolute bulls.hit since it shows a higher percentage of democrats having a college degree than republicans.
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Male 2,552
Having a college degree in "Feminine Studies" does not make one "educated". I may not have a degree, but I do effing electrical engineering on a daily basis. Screw you,liberal arts non-nice individuals.
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Male 2,578
I would like to point out that the most obvious "blue" areas in that map of Purple America are in the South, in "red" states. Address these issues I`m bringing up. I`ve made three posts so far and nobody seems to want to.
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Male 3,909
I never spent a day in college, went into the Marine Corps right after high school graduation. When I got out I ended up starting an electrician apprenticeship program with the IBEW Local 363 here in NY and I make twice as much as most of my old friends from high school who spent 4+ years in college & grad school. I`m still better off than those who are making close to what I do or more because I don`t have any student loans that need to be paid off, and while I was still an apprentice I was able to collect on my GI Bill because, as far as the government was concerned, I was in school/training.
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Male 2,578
Burbclaver, this might surprise your lackluster analysis, but the difference between "red" states and "blue" states is usually about 10%, that is 1 person out of ten. A huge difference would be 20%, that is 2 people out of 10. That`s why the whole red state, blue state business is dumb.


For instance, most of the poor people on the right side were probably black because they are from the South and voting is very racially polarized in the South, they voted for Obama most likely. So they are not voting for the "rich white guy". I really wonder why you would bring up Romney`s race out of the blue, also. It`s 2012, time to move on bro.




That`s an accurate real America. I am astounded at the sloppy analysis I`ve seen here tonight.
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Male 878
Second should say right list. Sorry for error.
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Female 241
Not all with college degrees are smart and good people.
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Male 878
If you take that left hand list of best educated states and add their rank for household income you get:
1-5
2-2
3-15
4-4
5-19
6-3
7-7
8-6
9-16
10-11

If you add the rank of household oncome to the left list you get:
1-48
2-49
3-47
4-39
5-46
6-37
7-15
8-26
9-34
10-42

So, it seems the rich states voted for Obama and the poorest states voted Romney. The best the right side can rank is 15 and that state voted Obama. It seems strange to me that the poorest states would vote for the rich white guy. Why is this?
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Male 2,578
I also wonder what people will think of this.


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Male 3,061
I wonder how many of the people of the "educated" states have a degree in Women`s Studies or a dead language.
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Male 7,907
CrakrJak

"A college degree doesn`t make you smarter."

Absolutely. It makes you more educated, which is what this post is about.

However smarter people tend to have college degrees. Not in every case, obviously, but it statistically overwhelming.

College degrees correlate to a higher income and a higher quality of life.

Look at it this way. Do you have a college degree? If you did or if you had one that was in a field of demand you probably wouldn`t have injured yourself at work. Therefore you wouldn`t be on disability and would be making significantly more money? Correct?

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Male 10,845
[quote]The only thing this proves is that college is a Liberal Institution that indoctrinates students to Liberal thinking[/quote]

No it doesn`t, this "table" doesn`t prove anything. Having a college degree doesn`t mean you`re more likely to vote for Obama.
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Male 17,512
Good link Andrew.
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Male 363
The only thing this proves is that college is a Liberal Institution that indoctrinates students to Liberal thinking. I have a degree and I just did not buy the liberal agenda they were selling. I did what I had to do to get my degree, but chose free thinking over indoctrination.
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Male 2,578
Oh stop it guys, this is so misleading. This is such an unscientific analysis.

Take Virginia, for instance. It was only 50% for Obama and 49% for Romney. It`s, effectively, as much for Romney as for Obama. And who is to say that the educated ones voted for Obama over Romney? It`s just a bad analysis. Moreover, educated and intelligence are different. I went to Columbia University, you wouldn`t believe how many dummies were there.

Here are the exit polls. There really isn`t a significant relation between education and the vote. High school grads or dropouts went for Obama, as did post grads. The average college graduate went for Romney. That`s all.

http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls
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Male 10,845
Woo-hoo Texas isn`t on the list.

That being said this is a case of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. According to CNN the education you recieved made very little difference when it came voting for Obama or Romney.
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Male 219
I call bullpoo
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Male 3,445
`You`re mistaking education and intelligence. The Indians along the Amazon River have a much higher IQ than the average person on Earth.`

Again, education is the point. Your example of the Indian may be completely true, but he has no understanding of how our society and government work, and therefore cannot make an informed decision in our elections.
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Male 4,431
I realize that some people appreciate college education, degrees, etc. And, that some don`t. That`s fine. But, with education comes exposure to myriad experiences and ideas. Amazingly, even though many people think colleges are left-leaning, liberal houses of unholy godlessness, even a medium tier school can expose its students to all manner of thinking, liberal *and* conservative, historical and current, science (actual, real science), math, art, etc.

But you know what else it does, too? It exposes people to pooty bureaucracies that are often inefficient, frustrating and uncaring. Learning to navigate them, learning to stick them out and to not only meet the requirements, but be able to bend the process to your will is a worthwhile skill, left or right, conservative or liberal. Deride colleges and the education process if you want. Pretend diplomas are just toilet paper if you desire. That`s fine. But the proof`s in the pudding.
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Male 1,678
To be fair, a pretty significant percentage of people who go to College are stupid enough to waste 4 years of their life and thousands of dollars on a piece of paper thats going to be less useful to them in later life than a piece of bog roll. Even the majority of people who worked hard and got useful degree`s aren`t in any better of a position to judge who the best President will be, for example, a degree in software engineering isn`t going to make you understand economics any better. IMO this post isn`t just arrogant and condescending, its also, quite ironically, uneducated. Any idiot who wants a degree these days can get one with little effort, I would know, they gave me one ffs.
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Male 73
They are all dumb. Vote green, vote libertarian.
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Male 17,512
A college degree doesn`t make you smarter.
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Male 440
You`re mistaking education and intelligence. The Indians along the Amazon River have a much higher IQ than the average person on Earth. I live in a college town and some of the stupidest people I have ever met attend and work at said college.
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Male 406
Is it sad that I`m surprised Georgia isn`t on the list? I`m even from there and I think the people are retarded.
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Male 7,907
Wheres my goat

"This better illustrates the leanings of college professors than actual intelligence."

This is "Top 10 Best & Worst Educated States" NOT "Top 10 Most & Least Intelligent States"

Education is a measure of your ability to retain knowledge. Intelligence is your ability to process knowledge. Very different.

Here is a measure of intelligence from the 2008 election:
http://tinyurl.com/chz9oef
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Male 3,445
`This better illustrates the leanings of college professors than actual intelligence.`

I figured someone would try this one. It`s not about intelligence; it`s about education. There is a difference. Education is about better understanding the world you live in. If that`s "liberal," then I agree.
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Male 3,445
`Very similar to the "States that give more in taxes than they get from the federal government`

It`s amazing how the narrative from Republicans after the election is that people just want "free stuff" from their government, yet the states who voted for Romney also tend to have more people on welfare and food stamps.
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Male 701
"colleges and universities are indoctrination mills for godless liberalism."
Republican Rick Santorum
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Male 36
This better illustrates the leanings of college professors than actual intelligence.
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Male 965
Interesting.
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Male 7,907
Duh.

Very similar to the "States that give more in taxes than they get from the federal government / states that give less in taxes than they get from the federal government" chart or the "Average IQ by state" chart.

Red states are low-educated, low-IQ and low-income. Move out of red states.
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Male 14,330
Oh look we`re at #1 explain why I hate them both please.
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Male 19,840
Link: Top 10 Best & Worst Educated States... [Pic] [Rate Link] - ...and how they voted in the 2012 US Presidential election.
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