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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    Link: The Key To Understanding Dinosaurs? - The Bible, of course.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    Eh?
    This will be interesting..... Tis my most favorite question for bible sorts
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    Dangit, after all those university courses I took in palaeontology. If only I had known - complete waste of time!
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    davymid
    Dont take it too badly Davy
    sure something positive will come out of this
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    interesting...do tell
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    now it will be easier when studying dinosaur`s, all the answers are the bible. a fictitious book with absolutely no dinosaur`s in it...
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm

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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    I don`t recall zebras being in the bible either so saying there are no dinosaurs in the bible to prove it false is pretty weak
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    @mervviscious

    The word Dinosaur isn`t as old as the Bible so of course it`s not in there, and yes it does mention them.

    Secondly the Bible is factual towards people, places and certain events. The only thing that I see coming into question is exactly what was said, as this is what peoples memories screw up the most.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    Oh that`s ok then no zebras,
    that covers that argument,
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    EgaIM, how much do you pay for a quarter of whatever it is you`ve been smoking and can you get me some?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    You`re right, no zebras in the Bible. There are unicorns though.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    @davy there are only unicorns in the modified western christian versions.

    Remember this, and all christians should do to: The bible was never correctly translated from its original arameic. For a lot of the words, there are no direct english translations, so it had to be translated through many other languages.

    Add to this that throughout the millenia it has been changed and modified by the higher powers in society to fit whatever agenda they needed.

    A very very good example of this is the King James version and also the entire Church Of England religion.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    November 24, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    EgalM,
    NO English words are as old as the bible.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    November 24, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    ferdyfred,
    Something positive DID come out of this: that GIF Crabes posted is pretty cool!
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    Smutleybutt Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 4:33 pm
    Seen it before because it`s a repost.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    Crabes, I`ve hit refresh and watched that dog jump over that fire like a hundred times now and s/he never messes up and falls in. Not even once! How`d s/he do it?!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 24, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Every right-thinking person knows what really happened to the dinosaurs.




    RIP
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm
    " The word Dinosaur isn`t as old as the Bible so of course it`s not in there, and yes it does mention them. "

    No it didn`t. How do I know? The verses that describe behemoth in the book of Job mentions the animal has a navel. Dinosaurs do NOT have navels. They never did. They lay eggs.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    November 24, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    "
    Remember this, and all christians should do to: The bible was never correctly translated from its original arameic. For a lot of the words, there are no direct english translations, so it had to be translated through many other languages."

    When reality disagrees with the bible, then the bible is wrong. This goes for the age of the Earth, the Big Bang, and even Evolution. Evidence points to all three all around us, and so if the bible says something else happened, then it is dead wrong.
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    jbwhite Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    to be fair, smultey, it is a different picture, with different lighting from a slightly different angle. you can expect miracles from iab now, be reasonable.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    Fundamentalist bible-bashers, most moderate christians recognise that this is a lost battle. There are plenty of parts of the bible that are patently false. Churches in more enlightened parts of the world step carefully around Genesis in all but the most metaphorical terms.

    The most enlightened of us are called atheists because not only do we not believe that which is demonstrably wrong, but we require proof to believe in anything which is absurd and in direct conflict to all that we know as fact in the universe.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    This s.hit is so depressing.

    I just don`t understand how anyone could believe anything in the bible, let alone the patently absurd stuff like this. Can we all just stop brainwashing our children for one generation and end religion worldwide?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    I like the bit where the christian apologists say "ah, but when they talked about unicorns in the Bible, they didn`t mean actual unicorns". And in the next breath they say "Ah but the Behemoth thing that was big, tail like a cedar, all that bollocks, is clearly talking about dinosaurs".

    Which is it? Either sh*t or get off the pot.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 3:50 am
    mesovortex: Alligators have `cloaca` that could be mistaken for a `navel`. Also many reptiles give live birth. Such as, The Solomon Island skink, Blue-tongue skink, Shingle-backed skink, Jackson`s chameleon, and all boas.

    Davy: It`s also possible that `unicorns` were genetic anomalies like this deer found in Florence, Italy.

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:08 am
    If I drop a golf ball on Earth, it will, 100 out of 100 times, fall directly toward the Earth`s center of mass at 9.2 m/s^2. If it doesn`t, I can figure out why by analyzing all other forces acting on the ball (wind, magnetism, etc.). As a result of this, I can conclude some few things about the way gravity and mass interact with each other. But there`s lots that I *can`t* conclude or even infer. I have to expand my questions and my tests. And after hundreds or perhaps thousands of years, I can begin to come to an understanding of all manner of mechanisms with as much confidence as the fall of my ball.

    Why can`t/won`t religious adherents do the same? I`m not saying God doesn`t exist, I just require proof to believe it. That`s not anti-God, it`s just pro-reason and knowledge. Why put up exceptions and mutations as possible proof of a way things *might* have been? Why contort that way? Why not prove what *did* happen?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:59 am
    Well, God did create everything.

    HG: Faith in God is never going to end, so you might as well get used to it.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 7:15 am
    TheGuySmiley
    "Well, God did create everything.

    HG: Faith in God is never going to end, so you might as well get used to it."
    -----------

    And where is your proof? Where did you get that from? Are we seriously supposed to accept that your Mom and Dad told you it was true, therefor it must be? Most of you don`t believe in your own Bible, but are willing to believe something, just because your parents said it was true. It`s sad and it`s embarrassing. It`s time for all of you to let go of the silly stories, stop the evil hatred they perpetuate and become a good, logical atheist.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 7:57 am
    AmagBoy: I just require proof to believe it.

    The whole point of religion is faith. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

    Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what God wants from us.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 8:36 am
    "Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what God wants from us."

    It`s like his essense of gelfling. He needs our faith for sustenance.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 8:46 am
    patchouly: prejudicial much? To where it`s from, well you already know, and your willful ignorance isn`t fooling anyone, but if it helps : Genesis 1:1. Also, don`t delude yourself into thinking atheism is somehow free from being hateful, open your mind a bit.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 9:46 am
    As long as we fear death, religion will always manifest itself. It`s not complicated, clever or anything special just safety net for some people. What really annoys me though is when religious folk try and incorporate science into their beliefs in some kind of futile attempt to try and bring rational reasoning to something that isn`t rational.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:20 am
    "Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what God wants from us."

    Doesn`t sound like a very intelligent god. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtains...

    So your god doesn`t want you to think or question anything, just blindly believe and obey. It sounds like slavery to me, and it doesn`t sound like a just or good god.

    No thanks. If I did choose to believe in a god, it sure as heck wouldn`t be one like that. Why put myself through suffering to worship something like that?

    Also - you actually defend young earth creationism. That`s sad.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:22 am
    TheGuySmiley

    "Faith in God is never going to end, so you might as well get used to it."

    I`m sure the Greeks thought that faith in the Greek Gods would last forever. I`m sure the Egyptians thought faith in the Egyptian Gods would last forever.

    Atheism is growing at an increasing rate. As knowledge spreads, religion fades. The internet is the worst possible thing that could have happened to religion.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:25 am
    CrakrJak

    "Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what God wants from us."

    Switch out the word God and all these statements make JUST as much sense:

    Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what Santa wants from us.

    Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what the Tooth Fairy wants from us.

    Basically, if you require proof you don`t have faith, and faith is what the invisible purple tiger that lives in the attic wants from us.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:50 am
    HG: Faith in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or some invisible purple tiger doesn`t carry the promise of salvation and everlasting life either.

    Jonn 3:16, Romans 5:1-2, Ephesians 2:8-9 just to name a few. And God promises us even more, in the bible, if only we believe.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:55 am
    mesovortex: How did I ever defend `young earth creationism`? I in fact stated that I have no idea how old the earth is or isn`t.

    I stated that God is all powerful and that the laws of science simply don`t apply to him, aka time/space/matter/gravity etc.. That isn`t defending any timeline that mankind has created. God is above timelines.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:59 am
    "Faith in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or some invisible purple tiger doesn`t carry the promise of salvation and everlasting life either. "

    Santa Claus spoke directly to me and told me as long as I had faith in him, he`d forgive all the bad things I`ve done, and when I die I`ll go to the North Pole and become an elf and make toys for other little children with faith.

    Point = invalid. Good day ;)
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Remember this, and all christians should do to: The bible was never correctly translated from its original arameic. For a lot of the words, there are no direct english translations, so it had to be translated through many other languages.

    Most of the Christian bible was not written in Aramaic. Different parts were written in different languages - ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and the koine dialect of ancient Greek.

    So the point is stronger than you thought - it`s not just the issues of translating from *one* language to another. The problem is that it inevitably means that nobody is reading the actual Christian bible because that no longer exists and nobody could read it all even if it did, not least because Hebrew is a language resurrected very recently - modern Hebrew is not necessarily the same as ancient Hebrew.

    On top of that, some "translations" are outright lies for political reasons.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 25, 2012 at 11:15 am
    CrakrJak: So, you`re saying that since some guy named John, some guy named Paul, and some other guy that might have been Paul wrote some stories, THAT is why you believe in salvation and everlasting life? Wow... and what proof have you that they were actually writing "God`s words" and not just making up their own? What proof have you that they are more holy than the writings of any other religion? Faith? And why do you have such strong faith? Just because your parents believed it first and told you it was the one correct truth. Is that about right?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 11:20 am
    NO English words are as old as the bible.

    Yes they are. Many of them, especially if you include the new testament.

    English was definitely being spoken 1700 years ago, when the new testament was written. It was almost certainly being spoken ~2400 years ago, when the old testament was written.

    It wasn`t modern English, but it was English (Anglisc, if you want to be accurate) and it`s the main foundation for modern English. Probably about a quarter of modern English words are as old as the Christian bible.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 11:23 am
    "
    Remember this, and all christians should do to: The bible was never correctly translated from its original arameic. For a lot of the words, there are no direct english translations, so it had to be translated through many other languages."

    When reality disagrees with the bible, then the bible is wrong. This goes for the age of the Earth, the Big Bang, and even Evolution. Evidence points to all three all around us, and so if the bible says something else happened, then it is dead wrong.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    HG: Faith in God was around long before the Egyptians. For a time they thought their way was better than God`s, or that faith in God was nothing compared to their way. But history shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in God, and faith in God going on. This will continue to go on because faith in God is a true way. The internet will only help magnify it`s truth too, despite all those who hate it trying to muzzle it.
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    chuckleboy Male 50-59
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    November 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    "On top of that, some "translations" are outright lies for political reasons."

    Angillion speaks truly. There`s clear historical evidence from a number of sources that various translations of the New Testament purposely minimized the role of Mary in Jesus` life, who it was said played a fundamental role in guiding and educating him.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Lillian: Santa Claus told you? Really? You`re going to argue based on your own personal fiction?

    chalket: My parents didn`t force religion on me, in fact I`d rather have been home Sunday mornings watching `Wrestling At The Chase` on TV. My cousins were going to church and said it was fun, went a few times and didn`t return. It wasn`t until I was a teenager that started looking for answers and I turned to the bible. After initially getting more questions than answers I decided to go to church on my own, which drew my parents back into going to church.

    So you see it was the other way around, Because I started to believe they re-discovered their belief as well.

    Angilion: The oldest written scrolls we have of the bible are The Dead Sea Scrolls and they have shown that the modern translation is very accurate. The early Christian scribes took their jobs very seriously because mistranslating the bible, they believed, meant going to hell.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    chuckleboy: You`re speaking of the apocryphal books, about Mary, that were written well after most of the New Testament. Jesus didn`t need education, he knew the `Word of God` from birth and was showing that knowledge to the temple priests when he was a very young boy. Christ was able to do this because he was God in human form, `The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.`

    The apocryphal books were stressing the importance of Mary, and the Catholic church still does, because the people they were preaching to had very popular female deities in Greek and Rome, so they deified Mary to get people to convert.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    It`s troubling reading through these comments on religious discussion. It truly pains me to see fully grown adults, some 20-30 years my elder, speak such stupid things and worse yet, believe it. And maybe even worse, knowing that they spread that belief to their offspring and probably didn`t give them a chance to learn reason and common sense before polluting their mind with that garbage.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    The oldest written scrolls we have of the bible are The Dead Sea Scrolls and they have shown that the modern translation is very accurate.

    Wrong:

    1) The dead sea scrolls contains only parts of only the old testament - they are far from a complete copy of the whole Christian bible.

    2) They do not all agree with each other or with the Jewish texts that the old testament is taken from, i.e. not even in the original languages, let alone in modern translations into English.

    3) They are not originals - they date as late as 100AD, *after* the major editing. So they are edited and interpreted and probably changed, just like the new testament was in the early and mid 4th century.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    The biblical manuscripts from Qumran, which include at least fragments from every book of the Old Testament, except perhaps for the Book of Esther, provide a far older cross section of scriptural tradition than that available to scholars before. While some of the Qumran biblical manuscripts are nearly identical to the Masoretic, or traditional, Hebrew text of the Old Testament, some manuscripts of the books of Exodus and Samuel found in Cave Four exhibit dramatic differences in both language and content. In their astonishing range of textual variants, the Qumran biblical discoveries have prompted scholars to reconsider the once-accepted theories of the development of the modern biblical text from only three manuscript families: of the Masoretic text, of the Hebrew original of the Septuagint, and of the Samaritan Pentateuch. It is now becoming increasingly clear that the Old Testament scripture was extremely fluid until its canonization around A.D. 100.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    The key to understanding dinosaurs can be found in a book, its true, but try one on Paleontology.

    The bible doesn`t say poo about dinosaurs, in fact its almost as if the authors were guided by a shared delusion, rather than by an omniscient being.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    Attribution for the previous quote:

    Oxford Companion to Archaeology.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    Lillian: Santa Claus told you? Really? You`re going to argue based on your own personal fiction?

    I can easily negate that point:

    I believe it because Lillian has written that it happened to her.

    There you go - it`s now exactly the same as religion. Someone wrote it down and someone else believed it. I know that Lillian`s revelation from Santa Claus is the truth because she wrote it down.

    It`s no more and no less valid than the personal fiction that you believe in.

    Some guy took some hallucinogens and wrote the results down because he thought they were a revelation. I can understand that - I`ve taken hallucinogens and I thought I understood a previously hidden truth. It`s a common side-effect.

    2000 years later and some people, like you, believe it for no reason. Bizarrely, you probably don`t realise that it`s just as much a personal fiction as Lillian`s revelation from Santa Claus.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    As an aside, the Mary who was redacted from the new testament of the Christian bible was Jesus` companion, not his mother.

    There was a lot of conflict in the early Christian church, with at least 3 factions. Paul won and, unsurprisingly, he and his followers "guided" Christianity in their own way, downgrading the others to insignificance or, where that wasn`t possible, rebranding them as heretics and having them violently suppressed and killed.
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    whirlygirl Female 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    I think people taking their children here constitutes child abuse.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    "Santa Claus told you? Really? You`re going to argue based on your own personal fiction?"

    As opposed to your own personal fiction? Sure. The only reason /you/ don`t believe in Santa Claus is because you don`t have faith! Were you there when Santa Claus spoke to me? Nope, so you can`t say it didn`t happen. It did, and I wrote it down, which makes it true. How do Santa`s followers, such as Angilion, know it`s true? They read my words and have faith that it`s true. I`m sure you`re going to teach your children that Santa`s real and that when they die they become elves because the profit LillianDulci recorded her experience of Santa talking to her on IAB.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    Probably about a quarter of modern English words are as old as the Christian bible.

    I`ve just realised that I was wrong, in a sense. Most modern English words are as old as the Christian bible, although only about a quarter were English words at the time. A big chunk of modern English words are copied from Latin, which was certainly being spoken that far back.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    LillianDulci

    Allow me to paraphrase GuySmiley.

    History shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in Santa, and faith in Santa going on. This will continue to go on because faith in Santa is a true way. The internet will only help magnify it`s truth too, despite all those who hate it trying to muzzle it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    HG: Faith in God was around long before the Egyptians.

    Not in your god, no. There was faith in various gods before the Egyptians, but not in yours. Yours is a relative newcomer. Even traditional Jewish faith only puts the origins back 4000 years and that`s complete faith that not only has no supporting evidence but which contradicts the available evidence. Even then, that puts the beginning of faith in your god as only 4000 years ago, and that`s being extremely generous. Egypt was inhabited ~60,000 years ago, was fairly well organised ~7500 years ago and was a unified country ~5200 years ago.

    You are making things up to suit your faith, with total disregard for reality. Well done, you`re a perfect theist.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    CrakrJak

    "It wasn`t until I was a teenager that started looking for answers and I turned to the bible. After initially getting more questions than answers I decided to go to church on my own"

    Yes. Had you been born and raised in India and went looking for answers as a teenager you`d be on here telling us how being a Hindu is the way to go.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Angilion: The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).

    Sorry Lillian, I just don`t believe in your personnel revelation of Santa Claus anymore than I`d believe Joseph Smith`s Book of Mormon.

    HG: Had you been born and raised in India and went looking for answers as a teenager you`d be on here telling us how being a Hindu is the way to go.
    India is a nation of many religions and people, including an ever increasing number of Christians. Your example is extremely flawed, because you`ve made asinine assumptions.

    Do you believe British kids born in India would`ve automatically been Hindu? What about Persian kids, Tibetan kids, Sikhs? Besides that what faith one was born into, isn`t always the faith people stay w
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "But history shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in God"

    All that history showed is that Christianity came at the right time for world domination. Constantine lost his mind and ordered Christianity to be the only accepted religion in the roman empire. The roman empire conquered most of europe which in turn conquered most of the world and settled the new world. Had constantine chosen judaism as his religion of choice you`d be jewish.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    CrakrJak

    "The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman)."

    Says who? Did these thousands of people tell you personally? Or did someone write down that they said so?

    You believe in a God that could achieve world wide love and peace in a matter of minutes and CHOOSES not to. He chooses to watch us suffer and fight and kill each other when he could end it immediately. How the f.uck is that a "loving god"?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    angelion: actually God is everlasting, and there`s only one, who has been around since before mankind was. It sort of renders your point moot, and it looks like you`re making up things to suit your own dogmas. So it would appear your own judgments and declarations fall on your head.


    Anyway, faith in God will go on forever; nothing will bring it to an end. You can be assured of this. It`s no surprise though, nor is there any point arguing it, because this world needs Love more than anything, and God is the author of love. He is working in us and the world so that we can all have peace. Until then it`s best to be excellent and love one another, since that`s where the true strength is (which is why faith in God will never end!)
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    HG: Anyone can make up what if`s. But the fact is that faith in God is not going to end, so for you and many others, it`s just going to be a matter of learning to live with the fact that people have had/do have/will have faith in God.

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    photomstr Male 50-59
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    November 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    I can`t understand how 40% of the most modern nation in the world actually believe this crap. The same science that makes your car drive indicates the world is 4.6 billion years old and gods do not exist. As sasquatch, ghosts and alien ufos do not exist. These ancient superstitious stone age belief systems will be the down fall of modern man . . .
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    photomstr: a lot of people with faith also have an interest in science. This relationship is very clearly outlined in psalm 111:2 "Great are the works of the Lord, they are pondered by all who delight in them." Even Einstein said that science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "Even Einstein said that science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind"

    Totally out of context. You want some Einstein quotes?

    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."

    "genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

    "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish"

    "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions"
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    Einstein, like most rational intelligent men, thought you are childish and weak. You might not want to quote him.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    Angilion: The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).

    Millions of people witness the miracles of Santa Claus every year. Presents appear overnight all over the world - a miracle!

    By your "reasoning", the evidence for Santa Claus, as revealed by the prophet LillianDulci, is far stronger than the evidence for your preferred personal fiction.

    There are many religions that you don`t believe in and many of those have stories of miracles witnessed by many people. So why don`t you believe those as well as your own? The evidence is identical (and identically meaningless).
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    I`ve read the Old Testament once or twice, and God comes across as a genocidal, jealous megalomaniac who treats humans like toy soldiers and expects unconditional love and devotion in return.

    Still, i expect i just didn`t interpret the text correctly.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    angelion: actually God is everlasting, and there`s only one, who has been around since before mankind was. It sort of renders your point moot, and it looks like you`re making up things to suit your own dogmas.

    Don`t be silly.

    You made a factual statement that was provably wrong. You`re either ignorant of history or you were lying and hoping that nobody pointed it out.

    Now you`re substituting a statement of faith and pretending that it`s the factual statement you made earlier. It isn`t. You`re either dishonest or deluded, or possibly both. Both are to be expected in theists, obviously.

    You can prattle your faith as you please - I`ll just laugh - but when you make untrue statements as if they were facts then I might be around to point that out to anyone who happens to be reading, and when you make untrue statements about what you said before I might be around to point that out too.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    To be more specific:

    Your initial (and completely false) claim was that faith in your god was around long before the Egyptians.

    That is a false statement. It is not a statement of faith, which would be non-falsifiable (and meaningless). It is a testable statement of what you claim to be a fact and it is wrong.

    I will be charitable and assume as a working hypothesis that you are so deluded that you can`t tell the difference between fact and faith.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    Still, i expect i just didn`t interpret the text correctly.

    It`s extremely difficult to interpret it any other way. Doing so requires irrationality, weirdly contorted interpretations and an adamantine determination to ignore everything that can`t be forced into a vague pretence of meaning something else.

    The god of the OT is a psycho nutjob on an epic scale, someone who makes even the most notorious deranged despots look like paragons of gentleness and compassion. No human who has ever lived has been as megalomaniacal, murderous and abusive even to their followers.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    HG: I can see how it would seem that way to you, and you can try to reason it away as much as you like, but science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. They both work hand in hand. Ever think of studying the quote rather than trying to debunk them? A hint can be found in the other Einstein quotes you posted. Consider the above quote with what he meant by "genuine religiosity".

    Angilion: Here`s some info for you (which was posted earleir) Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." You`re the one who seems to be implying that that the Egyptians were around before all that took place, and i`m ignorant because i don`t know this. I`m sure you can see how absurd it is, but i`m gathering from what you posted that you really don`t have an understanding of God, but it would seem you have one based on prejudices or dogmas.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "you can try to reason it away as much as you like, but science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. They both work hand in hand. "

    Why do you repeat it? When Einstein said "religion" he didn`t mean it the same way you did. His "religion" was "striving after rational knowledge."

    Your religion is the bible and the worship of the abrahamic god which einstein specifically and without equivocation said was "childish" and a " product of human weaknesses".

    You "ever think of studying the quote" and what he actually meant rather than misusing it to support your beliefs when einstein himself CLEARLY didn`t.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    HG: again, I can see how it would seem that way to you. You can study it if you like, but they will eventually work hand in hand, because both science and religion are unique tools that we can use for unique jobs that will eventually allow us to live in harmony. If you consider `religion` as you have built it up in your head, which seems like some twisted thing and far from the truth, it`s no wonder you can`t see the possibliity. But true religion focusing on love, hope, truth, honour, and excellence, can benefit science by ensuring that we focus on the true and excellent things. Like helping the blind see, or the deaf hear, instead of how to wipe out nations, people and other forms of life. On the flipside, science can help religion by being the vehicle for the spread of love, sharing, hope, and joy. Like the printing press allowed so many people to learn the depths of love from God by studying the bible in their own house.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    HG: He chooses to watch us suffer and fight and kill each other when he could end it immediately.

    He chose for us to make up our own minds whether to follow his words of peace and love for all mankind, or to not too. Once again you`re trying to lay guilt on God for mankind`s transgressions.

    To correct your quote, "I believe in a God that gave us the choice to achieve world wide love and peace if only we had the faith to follow his word."
  78. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    Angilion: Here`s some info for you (which was posted earleir) Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." You`re the one who seems to be implying that that the Egyptians were around before all that took place, and i`m ignorant because i don`t know this.

    You seem to be deluded or lying.

    1) That is not information. It is a statement of faith.

    2) It is completely unrelated to your initial claim, the one which I showed to be wrong.

    3) Your baseless claim about what I am implying is a figment of your imagination. I`ve been very clear about what I mean and your drivel has no connection to it at all.
  79. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    i`m gathering from what you posted that you really don`t have an understanding of God, but it would seem you have one based on prejudices or dogmas.

    I understand your religion much better than you do, obviously, because I know more about it. You don`t even know that 5000 years ago came before 4000 years ago!

    It`s true that my understanding of your god is based on prejudices and dogmas - the prejudices and dogmas of your religion. Understanding those is obviously necessary to understanding your religion, since they are the foundation of your religion.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    Angilion

    "1) That is not information. It is a statement of faith."

    Hilarious right? You tell them you don`t believe in God or the Bible and then they attempt to prove or justify God by quoting from the Bible, something you don`t believe to be factually accurate.

    It is like proving Gandolf exists by quoting the Lord of the Rings.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 25, 2012 at 10:20 pm
    CrakrJak

    "He chose for us to make up our own minds whether to follow his words of peace and love for all mankind, or to not too."

    WHY? Why turn humanity and suffering into a test? Just for kicks? We`re supposed to be his children. I have kids. I would NEVER allow my child to suffer for a moment if I could do anything to stop it.

    I`m not saying he should alter freewill, but all it would take is him revealing himself and it would basically end all war.

    Why can`t he? He did it constantly a few thousand years ago.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 12:07 am
    You all need to seriously chill out.
  83. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 12:07 am
    HG: We cause our own suffering and death, they are the wages of sin.

    Even when God revealed himself to the Jews, His chosen people, they still doubted and lost their way. God doesn`t want us to love him out of fear. He wants us to do it because His Son demonstrated His love for us.

    But you should already know this, because you claimed to have read the bible.

    I`m seriously doubting that claim.
  84. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 12:18 am
    CrakrJak

    "He wants us to do it because His Son demonstrated His love for us. But you should already know this, because you claimed to have read the bible. I`m seriously doubting that claim."

    So then it is all just a test. Doesn`t that seem petty and silly for an omnipotent being?

    How exactly did his son demonstrate his love for us? By committing suicide? What exactly did that do? Save us? Save us from whom? God? So God had a son specifically to die brutally in exchange for saving us from God? How exactly does that make any f.uckling sense?

    I`ve read the book. However, I`ve read it objectively and if you read the bible objectively it is absurd. You read the bible looking for something and wanting to find something. So you find what you want to find.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 1:26 am
    I love these discussions, well, i call em such, but they really arent. those defending religion do so close minded, there is no argument that will make them change their point for it is faith that compels them, or in this case ,repels them from criticly looking at anything within their faith.

    Those claiming religion is a false and idle theorie do so out of force too, basicly being close minded to. They are trying to convince those that do not want to be convinced and this spurs a new circle of trying to convince and denying.

    The christian relegion isnt that old and yet it spans many generations. Their biggest enemy isn`t muslim faith which is basicly the same, but the rejection of faith. This is truly scary. Simply because it wont buy into the hype, being that humans should take responcibility them self. Most western religions are about absolving one of responcibility.
    You want to be a religious person? good, live by the rules.
    Dont make others live by those
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 1:27 am
    sigh.. bad counter...

    Dont make others live by those rules though!
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    Langer Male 18-29
    394 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 3:37 am
    [quote">So then it is all just a test. Doesn`t that seem petty and silly for an omnipotent being? [/quote">

    his ideas are always brilliant
  88. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 5:03 am
    HG: Hate to spring this news on you but all of life is a test and it isn`t fair either. If you`re still whining and chaffing against that fact, then you haven`t grown up yet.

    Jesus died to save us from our own sins. God is not responsible for your actions, thoughts and deeds, YOU ARE!

    That`s like blaming a cop because he didn`t stop you from driving drunk, then you get in an accident that paralyzes you. It wouldn`t be the cops fault that you decided of your own freewill, however much impaired, to screw up your own life and possibly that of others.

    You missed the whole point of Jesus` sacrifice because you seem to always want to blame God. You claim you want knowledge, but haven`t came to the realization that mankind is it`s own worst enemy because it lacks faith and the responsibility of taking blame for ones own actions/sins.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 5:25 am
    @CrakrJak

    Even if your God is real, trust me, I want no part in it.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:30 am
    The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).
    Well there are lots of cookies and milk missing and presents under the tree. One day you`ll realize the error of your ways and truth will dawn when you receive presents this Xmas and have faith in the One true Santa and his prophet Rudolph, whose red nose was given unto Him to absolve you of your misdeeds over the last year and now allows you to have presents even if you`ve been bad, but only if you accept Santa into your heart.
    From Elves 11:1-4
    "He knows if you`ve been bad or good so be good for goodness` sake."
    Thus demonstrating His omnipotence, as foretold in the book of Claus.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 7:16 am
    From Elves 11:1-4
    "He knows if you`ve been bad or good...
    XD!!!
    That is now the new running gag of the week...
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    Saunder Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 7:44 am
    Know ye not that ye are Gods?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 8:05 am
    CrakrJak

    "Jesus died to save us from our own sins."

    What does that even mean? Our sins don`t hurt us. So what did he save us from? Punishment for our sins? Punishment from whom? God? So God had a son to die to save us from himself right? How does that make sense to you?

    "God is not responsible for your actions, thoughts and deeds, YOU ARE!"

    I never said God should change freewill. However worldwide belief in a single God would bind the world together and end all religious war. He could just show himself to the world to end a ton of human suffering. So, if he knows that and chooses not to then he is not a loving God.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 8:29 am
    Dinosaurs ARE your key to understanding the Bible, and here is what you should understand:

    * The Bible is just a bunch of stories. Talking snakes, magic sky-men, a lot of claptrap about `sin` and vengeful gods. In other words, bullshiite.

    Sucks to be you, CrakRjackoff.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 8:32 am
    "Jesus died to save us from our own sins"

    Odin died to get rid of frost giants. Jesus died to get rid of sins. I don`t see any more frost giants...

    Maybe we don`t need saving from our own sins. Humans aren`t perfect, but we need imperfection to learn and to grow. And what about the people who died before him? Are they just screwed?

    Plus the whole notion that if you don`t believe in Jesus you go to hell is just silly and stupid and obviously wrong. And, it`s not a god I`d want to worship. Anyone with sense would not want to worship anything like that.

    Frankly millions of people died due to the `sins` of man in order to make life better for the rest of us. Why aren`t you acknowledging them every sunday instead?
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 8:48 am
    "The story we have all heard from movies, television, newspapers, and most magazines and textbooks is that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs “ruled the Earth” for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), and their bones do not have labels attached telling how old they are. "

    lol. if only they kept this bullpoo to themselves it would be funny. Teaching kids that its the truth is very sad. Must involve a large amount of self delusion. C`mon you know the earth is more than 6000 years old right? You can`t really be that stupid?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 9:01 am
    @MattPrince: If only. Funny thing is that they ARE labeled, just with radioactive isotopes. As it turns out you can use those to determine age.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 9:12 am
    I`m sure the religiously minded have some way around that patchgrabber.. Another test from god no doubt. He invented uranium 238 and its decay curves, and then falsified it in volcanic ash just to confuse logical scientific types. Obviously.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 9:13 am
    @MP: Oh, they already have tried. They call themselves the RATE group and their mission in life is to use bad science to make carbon dating support YEC.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 9:53 am
    No way... a group of `scientists` whose public aim is to make the `facts` fit their theory. Wow.

    I particularly like the runaway subduction theory for the flood. Faith is a filler for common sense it would seem.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 10:26 am
    MP, it simply never occurred to those people that a person that lived in a time when it was rare to move more than 26 miles from the spot they were born on could see a valley flood and mistake it for the entire planet flooding.

    So remember: DON`T tell your children that Santa brings presents...
  102. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 10:31 am
    HG: Our sins don`t hurt us.

    Yes they do, but you haven`t figured that out yet.
    You are still trying to shirk blame onto God for your own misdeeds.

    Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

    Please note the word `wages`, that means we`ve earned our punishment for sin. God offers us a way out through his Son Jesus` forgiveness.

    If you break the law you justly deserve punishment and that punishment comes from man.
    Sin works the same way, it`s punishment that you deserve, even if you don`t think you do deserve it. So I ask again, would you blame the cop for your breaking of the law?

    A wise man would say, "Of course not, I deserve my fate", and would humble himself and ask for forgiveness.

    It`s apparent you haven`t gained that wisdom yet.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 10:48 am
    CrakrJak`s god is a bit of a prick.

    Glad he doesn`t really exist outside of the minds of various dumbasses.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 11:43 am
    "It`s apparent you haven`t gained that wisdom yet."

    Physician, heal thyself. None of what you said makes any logical sense.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 26, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Religion, particularly the Abrahamic religions, reminds me of abusive relationships, especially that between the worst kind of pimp and their prostitutes.

    It`s the same sort of relationship, only much worse because their god is far nastier than any human.

    For example, here`s a theist response to the suffering inflicted by their master:

    We cause our own suffering and death, they are the wages of sin.

    Many victims of domestic abuse blame themselves for the suffering inflicted on them by their abuser, in the same way for the same reason - the psychologically broken belief that you deserve to be punished because you weren`t subservient and obedient enough to the drating scum who has abused love and damaged you enough for you to think that way.
  106. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 11:59 am
    If anyone thinks I am being unreasonable, I suggest you get a bible and read the story of Abraham and Isaac.

    Now imagine a story of a particular foul pimp who finds out that one of his bitches is pregnant and orders her to get an abortion for his benefit, to prove her fear of him and her total obedience to his will.

    No, wait, that`s nowhere near as bad as the Abrahamic god.

    The pimp orders his ho to kill the baby after they`re born, because that`s a stronger display of his power over her.

    But wait! After she`s suffered for weeks with this nightmare he`s imposed on her and she`s about to stab her baby to death, the pimp stops her and says she doesn`t have to, that it was only a test of her obedience to him.

    Do you think that`s a show of love and mercy by the pimp to his bitch?

    If you do, you`re as drated up as a theist.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    @Angillion: That is why The One Claus is the truly benevolent deity! By His wisdom bad children still receive presents so long as you accept Him into your heart! No punishment from this deity, only compassion, and all he asks for in return is milk and cookies, but you don`t have to if you don`t want to.
  108. Profile photo of TheGuySmiley
    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    Angilion: Understanding religion is a bit different than understanding or having faith in God. Jesus said to have faith in God, i don`t recall him saying have faith in religion. Sure, you can learn a lot when you study religion(s), but until you plant your feet and exercise those lessons, you`ll be missing out on the true reason religion is there, which teaches us to love one another and live in harmony. When you do understand faith in God as it truly is, a relationship with God, you may understand the deep love that God has for this world; a love that you can tap into and share with others.

    But relying on the prejudices and dogmas of religion, equaling that to faith in God and acting like there is nothing more to it, couldn`t be further from the truth. To those who do understand faith in God, it comes across like a pre-calculus student trying to explain advanced calculus to a mathematician..
  109. Profile photo of TheGuySmiley
    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    HG: Do you know that the Holy Bible holds ancient procedures on how find faith in God? It`s almost like a science procedure of today, but perhaps not as refined. But to give it credit, it`s one of the earliest procedures, holding the necessary steps to reach the goal. Through the generations we`ve learned many things are important, such as love one another, being humble, being meek, being slow to anger and quick to forgive, be eager to learn from correction, etc. Procedures and examples for all of these are spread through the Holy Bible, and can help us to understand faith in God, and even meet God. But just because it`s aincient is no reason to reject it, because it still works today, and the more you study it, the more it will profit you. Just keep in mind that those who are looking for contradictions and problems will likely find what they want, but those who are looking for the Lord will find all the lessons they need.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    Angilion: You`re really going to compare Christians to prostitutes? Wow, that`s about the worst most bent thinking I`ve heard in quite awhile. That`s also about the most offensive anti-Christian slander ever.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    CrakrJak

    "For the wages of sin is death"

    Yes. That is God`s punishment for sin. Sin doesn`t hurt us. It is God`s punishment for the sin. So you love God for protecting you from God?
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    I am very Catholic and I cannot stand New Creationist churches. uggh
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Angilion: You`re really going to compare Christians to prostitutes? Wow, that`s about the worst most bent thinking I`ve heard in quite awhile. That`s also about the most offensive anti-Christian slander ever.

    But you can`t refute it.

    I was trying to think of a human-human relationship as abusive and warped as your god-human one. A viciously psycho pimp and the prostitutes they control was the closest match I could think of. Domestic violence was my next best choice. I think the pimp-prostitute comparison is closer, but only for the worst of pimps.

    Feel free to try to refute it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    you`ll be missing out on the true reason religion is there, which teaches us to love one another and live in harmony.

    Rubbish.

    Religion is not required for love and harmony.

    Love and harmony is not required for religion.

    Therefore love and harmony is not the purpose of religion.


    All you are doing with that post (and the others in which you refer to honour and various other positive attributes) is trying to steal every good thing and pretend your religion is it. It`s profoundly dishonest of you to do so.
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    Angilion: no doubt you can find love in the world, but what true religion teaches is how to exercise that love to the fullest. A lot of people claim to have love, but often it`s conditional. But religion can help people learn to trust in God, whose love is unconditional, and learn even deeper lessons of love, or break from conditinal love into unconditional love. Some religions teach love, compassion, consideration for others. It is these lessons this brings a lot of people more happiness, and more satisfaction in life.

    When we act under the influence of anger, we often do things that later we regret, don`t we? When we act selfishly, often that produces big problems, and not many people like somebody who`s selfish.
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    The point i`m trying to get at is religion is a unique tool that can help many people understand love. No one can deny the world needs more love, and if religion helps people exercise love more, that`s a good thing. Because of the need for more love in this world, it`s the reason why faith will go on and grow, especially in the author of love - God.
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "A lot of people claim to have love, but often it`s conditional."

    You mean like accept me as your personal lord and savior or spend all of eternity burning in hell?
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    "not many people like somebody who`s selfish."

    Apart from the the devout..
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    TheGuySmiley, what was it again that you were chanting when President Obama won reelection, mr. loveblahblahgodblahloveblahreligion?
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    LillianDulci: While it is good to love a government that upholds true, just, and righteous ways, if a regime wants to love money above all those other traits, it will only face the natural backlash for its foolishness.
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    HG: That`s what prejudice teaches. But the truth is far from it. The world is perishing, and the choice each of us has to make is to perish with the world, or latch on to God and live on. The former can be achieved by rejecting God and choosing wickedness and evil, the later can be achieved by seeking God, and choosing holiness and goodness. God is holy and just and merciful, but won`t force his love on anyone, so ultimately it is those who choose to perish who will perish.

    It doesn`t have to be that way. Like i told you earlier, the Holy Bible holds ancient procedures to understand faith in God, and also to have everlasting life by being loving, humble, meek, caring, compassionate, graceful and kind.

    When you can live this way, even in a metaphorical den of wolves with attacks coming from the left, right, front and back, it`s a good bet you`re on the right path. (there are many stories in the Holy Bible illustrating this point)
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "God is holy and just and merciful"

    Have you actually read the bible? Drowning everyone on the planet is just and merciful? Killing the innocent children of egypt is just and merciful?
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    HG: You just keep circling around to blame God for sin, like a broken record.
    You`ve basically deceived yourself into blaming the cop for the speeding ticket you get.

    You`re beyond reasoning with because you fail to see the responsibility you hold for your own fate.

    Until you confess and ask for forgiveness, from God, you`ll continue to deceive yourself and that will lead to your eventual doom, by your own hand.

    Just like Jacob Marley in Dickens`s novel, you`ll have forged every chain link and lock of sin through your actions, thoughts and deeds.
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    November 26, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    CrakrJak

    "You just keep circling around to blame God for sin, like a broken record."

    How am I blaming God for sin? I`m saying there is nothing wrong with sin other than God punishing you for it.

    I sin. That it isn`t God`s fault. It is mine. But Jesus didn`t die to save me from my sin. My sin doesn`t hurt me. Jesus died as a sacrifice to God so God would forgive my sin like the scapegoat. Right?
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    November 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    HG: again, if you want to live by prejudice, rather than the truth, that is your choice. But if you want to know the truth, you can learn it from God. When you see the reasons for yourself, it will be hard to deny how merciful God is.
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    November 26, 2012 at 4:12 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "HG: again, if you want to live by prejudice, rather than the truth, that is your choice. But if you want to know the truth, you can learn it from God. When you see the reasons for yourself, it will be hard to deny how merciful God is."

    Since you want to just ignore the question. I`ll ask again point blank:

    Do you think drowning everyone on the planet is just and merciful? Do you think killing the innocent children of egypt is just and merciful?
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    November 26, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    The point i`m trying to get at is religion is a unique tool that can help many people understand love.

    Your point is bollocks. At best, it`s based on false premises and the false conclusion you draw from those false premises. At worst, it`s just deceit.

    The primary lesson of religion is obedience, almost always reinforced with fear.

    Your god is particularly bad in that respect. Your claim that his love is unconditional is a ridiculous lie, according to your own religion.

    There is no basis to your argument at all. You`re just collecting every positive thing you can think of and attaching it to your religion, with complete disregard for the truth.
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    November 26, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    The former can be achieved by rejecting God and choosing wickedness and evil, the later can be achieved by seeking God, and choosing holiness and goodness.

    So what about those who reject your god and choose goodness, or those who seek your god and choose evil?

    You constantly pretend that your religion is everything good, that nothing good can exist without it and that anyone who doesn`t follow it is automatically bad.

    You are constantly wrong.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    HG: You just keep circling around to blame God for sin, like a broken record.
    You`ve basically deceived yourself into blaming the cop for the speeding ticket you get.

    A much more accurate analogy is blaming the violent criminal gang leader for having you beaten and having your shop burnt down because you didn`t pay protection money to them. That`s what "sin" is - failure to pay up, in one way or another.

    Then there`s the sins committed by your god, according to your own religion. They range from grotesque psychological abuse to mass murder.

    If I believed in your god, I`d certainly blame them for their own actions and I`d be right to do so.
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:20 pm
    HG: Honestly, I`ve seen questions like yours asked and they`re always serving to mock and scorn, if you really want to know, the answer is out there. But rest assured God is the just and merciful, with wisdom far greater than all of the greatest men combined.
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    "if you really want to know, the answer is out there."

    And yet, you`re somehow incapable of answering it yourself.
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    angellion: actually it seems a lot of things you`ve brought up are viewed as if with spectales of bias. All the questions you had have simple answers, not complex ones. Perhaps when you take them off and sincerely seek the answers, you`ll find them right under your nose.
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    LillianDulci: it can be answered quite simply, but ignorance, mockery and scorn is in the air, so why cast pearls before swine?
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "if you really want to know, the answer is out there. But rest assured God is the just and merciful"

    That may be the biggest cop out I`ve ever seen.

    I have asked this question of lots of Christians and I have never received an answer. Isn`t it the duty of a Christian to witness? To explain the lord to the nonbelievers?

    God flooded the planet and killed everyone, even innocents, children, and babies. I understand the bible says that mankind was wicked and God wanted to reset.

    My problem is that he chose drowning, one of the slowest, scariest, most traumatic deaths I can think of. He could have just had everyone die instantly with no suffering, yet he chose drowning.

    Babies and children died slowly and painfully scared and traumatized for the sins of others. Tell me how that is just and merciful. It is a simple direct question.
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    November 26, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    HG: Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.


    Notice every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time (contradictory to all the innocent you say) and in fact only one found favor in God`s eyes (noah), which we can assume means they were not wicked. you`re right drowning is scary, but perhaps that is what they brought upon themselves by choosing to be so wicked?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    HG: at any rate, had this not been done, who can say that we would not have wiped ourselves out by 1000BC? Only God can say, and its likely we wouldn`t have made it that far unless God had taken the necessary steps to prevent us from continuing in wickedness.

    It`s already coming back now, and today, if you look around. So it`s best to be prepared and do whatever it takes to love one another and be excellent.
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    November 26, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    All you did was quote genesis. I`ve read genesis.

    "every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time"

    So you are telling me that a two week old newborn had evil in its heart? Come on. That really makes sense to you?

    "but perhaps that is what they brought upon themselves by choosing to be so wicked?"

    So you are saying a two week old baby brought it upon itself to be drowned to death?

    Can`t you just step back and admit, ya that is f.ucked up? Jesus is love and acceptance. The old testament god is not.
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    November 26, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    HG: again, it`s pointless to lean on prejudice, it will get you no where. If you were able to flee from it, don`t you think you`d see the possibility that those children may have been brought up to be even worse than their parents were? God is just and merciful far beyond what mankind can comprehend. But don`t let the enemy of mankind trick you into thinking He`s not by leaing on a crutch of prejudice.
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    November 26, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    HG challenged: Do you think drowning everyone on the planet is just and merciful? Do you think killing the innocent children of egypt is just and merciful?
    Smiley`s answer?: don`t you think you`d see the possibility that those children may have been brought up to be even worse than their parents were?
    Wow. Just wow. Let`s murder them all in their cribs, just in case. What if the Allies, on finally conquering Germany at the end of WWII, had perpetrated a mass genocide by drowning all the babies of current Nazis, on the possibility that they may possibly grow up to be as evil (or more evil) as their parents? I`m pretty sure it wouldn`t have stood up against the Geneva Convention.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    "But don`t let the enemy of mankind trick you into thinking He`s not by lea(n)ing on a crutch of prejudice."

    Oh yeah, Satan, who created that fella then?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:52 am
    Davymid: The knowledge, wisdom, and justice of all Geneva Convention gatherings, since it`s inception, are still only foolishness in terms of the wisdom, and justice of the sovereign God.

    It is pointless to judge God`s judgements or decisions as wrong or unworthy, because we know not what He does. All we can do is seek to understand why. God created all life and has power over physical and spiritual life and death. Men do not have such abilities or power, so your example of the allies is irrelevant since no person can restore a life.

    However, God can. There is a life after death which can hold eternal life or an eternal death, which God holds power over. So even though people die a physical death, God holds power over what happens to each person/soul/spirit then. Whoever is destined for eternal life/death will have it, and it will be just.

    God is sovereign, and this is all basic information that can be found easily by whoever seeks it.
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    November 27, 2012 at 4:45 am
    @TGS looooooool You really believe that? In this modern day and age? Makes me laugh.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2012 at 4:46 am
    @TGS what a load of bullsh*t.

    Mankind has power over life and death. drating produces life. Killing takes it away. You don`t need to be a God to do that, though it appears if you are a god its OK to do both without care for your followers because they, by definition, blindly follow you regardless, and come up with pearlers like `his infinite wisdom blah, blah` as the ultimate lie.

    Seeking God is a bit like looking at a static picture. Look for long enough and you will see something.

    Reason >> God.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2012 at 4:56 am
    From the Scientific American :-

    Analytic thinking undermines belief because, as cognitive psychologists have shown, it can override intuition. And we know from past research that religious beliefs—such as the idea that objects and events don`t simply exist but have a purpose—are rooted in intuition. "Analytic processing inhibits these intuitions, which in turn discourages religious belief," Norenzayan explains.
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    November 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    TheGuySmiley: actually it seems a lot of things you`ve brought up are viewed as if with spectales of bias

    Holy batcrap, you really have the nerve to accuse someone else of being biased?! You freaking hypocrite! Every single one of your platitude-filled posts has been NOTHING BUT biased toward your baseless beliefs!
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    November 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    HAHAHAHAHA

    God could come down to earth, anally rape every child on the planet, tie them upside down, torture them to death, and bathe in their blood. Even then you`d say "God is holy and just and merciful", "perhaps that is what they brought upon themselves", and "It is pointless to judge God`s judgements or decisions as wrong or unworthy, because we know not what He does".

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    November 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    It is pointless to judge God`s judgements or decisions as wrong or unworthy, because we know not what He does.
    In the face of real issues and difficult questions, this is always religion`s final answer. How convenient to always have that tired, old "we`re just not capable of understanding" routine to fall back on when you`re backed into a logical corner!
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    November 27, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    Draculya: you`re still mocking people, in this day and age, when being excellent, honourable, kind, and loving is needed more than ever? Not to mention the 1000s of years of history we have that indicates it`s a flawed way? I`d like to say it`s a laughing matter, but it`s not.

    MattPrince: Sure we can procreate and kill each other. But can we create entirely new species to roam the earth that lives, breathes, thinks, and feels? What about restoring life to the people who died in the World Wars, ok long shot, then how about old lady who died yesterday morning at 10 o`colck in the morning? Our power over life and death is extremely limited, but God`s is not.

    Also, in due time, science and religion will work hand in hand. Despite what people who side for either side insist. Both are unique tools for unique jobs, and rejecting is like a carpender rejecting all the slot screwdrivers in his tool chest: lame or blind.
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    November 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    chalket: i understand you`re upset, but it`s not uncommon for people to quickly lash out when in a rage or in anger without fully thinking things through. It`s something that seemed to come through Angelon`s response (which i responded to that seemed to upset you), because it relied quite a bit on prejudice. The post was simply pointing that out. Also, in your last post when you quoted my post and said `.. this is always religion`s final answer. How convenient ..` then went on to put down religion. Well, you missed that i also said " All we can do is seek to understand why." Which can mean through prayer, through science, or through any other means available to us. It`s a journey of learning. But hey don`t think i`m being hard on you, after all, i`m not claiming to be perfect, and nobody is perfect, lest they be the Lord.

    HolyGod: if you want to continue to live by prejudice, it will only make it harder for you to learn the truth.
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "HolyGod: if you want to continue to live by prejudice, it will only make it harder for you to learn the truth."

    Yes. If you continue to live your life by the silly ancient fairy tales you have been brainwashed with since birth then you`ll never find out the truth until you die and nothing happens. Enjoy your delusions.

    Excuse me, I have to go out back and sacrifice a goat to Zeus.
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    TGS: Sorry if my comments came off as angry or lashing out, I assure you neither was intended. (This is just the internet, after all.) I would say it was more OUTrage than rage, as in "what you`ve been saying is outrageous!"

    You were presented with several valid, logical questions which you flippantly dismissed with "if you really want to know, the answer is out there" and "sincerely seek the answers, you`ll find them right under your nose" and "because we know not what He does." Then you have the gall to accuse Angilion of wearing "spectacles of bias" for doubting you? When literally EVERYthing you`ve said here is TOTALLY biased by your blind faith? To the point of denying even logic and knowledge? How do you not see the hypocrisy in that? You talk much of prejudice, yet you`re "faith" seems to blind you to your own.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    TGS "Sure we can procreate and kill each other. But can we create entirely new species to roam the earth that lives, breathes, thinks, and feels? What about restoring life to the people who died in the World Wars, ok long shot, then how about old lady who died yesterday morning at 10 o`colck in the morning? Our power over life and death is extremely limited, but God`s is not. "

    Well we have created several new species of drosophila under laboratory conditions.. and the rest is moot because god`s not done that either.

    Your power of self delusion is impressive however.
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    HG: I`m quite open to learning new things, and do almost every day, contrary to what you may think. A few things i`ve learned is that leaning on prejudice and assumptions is more often than not unwise to do. Also, i`ve found that when people start throwing names in a conversation, they rarely have more to offer until they can regain control and see things rationally.

    chalket: there`s an old adage "cast not pearls before swine". What that implies is that scriptural truths or knowledge should not be put in front of people who do not appreciate their value. Now before you go off thinking this is to call people `swine`, please read the last several pages of comments and find me one other than me and lets see.. crakrjak that i can think of right away who woudl appreciate it? This could have been alleviated if there wasn`t so much reliance on prejudices and mockery and scorn, but it is what it is, so i`m left to say what i said.
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    MattPrince: look up Lazarus, and read up about Jesus Christ.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    Chalket: In other words, most people who know the glory of God are more than happy to share what they know, because that is a truth that can benefit many. But to put it in light, if you were a calculus master, and substituting a grade school math that was learning calculus, of whom the majority of the students were only interested in doodling, you`d quickly learn that you can really only teach those who want to learn, and it`s nearly futile to teach the doodlers. Granted, you can still try, but there always comes a point they have to let them go until the doodlers have a desire to learn. Now, i`m not really here to teach, i simply commented on the picture that God did make everything, and faith in God would go on forever so people should get used to it. Questions come up and i do the best i can to answer. But when it`s clear that there is no desire to learn, but to `doodle` so to speak, all i can do is point to the text book and move on.
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    November 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    @TGS - and one example that`s not fictional?
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    November 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "I`m quite open to learning new things"

    You can never learn anything contrary to your opinion on god as loving, just, and merciful because you ultimately will never accept that god is not loving, just, and merciful no matter what he does.

    He could kill every single person on the planet and you would still believe it. In fact, he did. So there is no talking with you rationally because NOTHING will ever change your opinion. You believe God can do no wrong no matter how much wrong he does.

    "when people start throwing names in a conversation, they rarely have more to offer"

    Not sure what that refers to, I`ve not called you a name once.
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    November 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    A few things i`ve learned is that leaning on prejudice and assumptions is more often than not unwise to do.

    Then why have you based your entire life on doing exactly that, to a ludicrous degree?
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    November 27, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    HG: What you call an opinion is a fact to many people today, has been for generations of people, and will be all the generations to come. There was a time when i didn`t know God too, but i took the time to find the truth. All i can say is when you truly get to know God, you`ll understand things in a different light. You can get to know God like many people have, and find out the real spirit of God, rather than the lies against Him. If you do, maybe you too will be able to understand the fact of how deeply He loves us all, and understanding His love like never before..

    Angilion: im quite sure you know very little about my life, and are not qualified to remotely say. But you can always break free of negativity by striving to love more, because it cures many ailments in ourselves and in the world. The choice is ultimately yours.
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    November 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    Wow, TheGuySmiley... I really don`t think I`ve ever come across a more sanctimonious person in my entire life! But then, what would I know? I`m a mere doodler and you`re the impatient calculus master! :-D

    You are right though, it`s little use proselytizing here. Your pearls are best cast elsewhere, I seriously doubt there will be any conversions in this forum tonight. What you call "prejudice" and "assumptions" I call reason and logic. I prefer my truth to be provable, repeatable fact - not some elusive, exclusive "you must experience it to understand" gut feeling that does little more than help you feel "special" and superior to us "grade school doodlers."
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    November 27, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    (I had to stop that last post early, the counter read "666" when I posted)
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    November 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    Chalket: the truth of God can be discovered by following the ancient procedures found in the Holy Bible. It`s been repeated by many over and over for countless generations. Why do you think it`s the most widely sought after book? Even so, some could study it a lifetime and never learn because their heart and mind is closed to the possibilities it holds. But a lot of people who live by faith in God also live by logical and rational reasoning, in fact, many are top scientists! Yes, God is logical! But everyone is unique and, contrary to what you assume, we all are equal. No one is better or `superior` than another. 665 characters here, whats the point?
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    November 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    TheGuySmiley

    "a fact to many people today"

    What a pointless way to judge the validity of something. A lot of people today are morons. A lot of people today think hurricanes are caused by homosexuals. A lot of people think the holocaust never happened. A lot of people think the earth is flat.

    A lot of people also happen to believe in imaginary friends, talking snakes, zombies, two of every animal living on a boat, and a bunch of other fairy tales for simpletons.

    "You can get to know God"

    I don`t think God exists. However, even if I did believe in your God I wouldn`t worship him. I`m not retarded enough to look at a being capable of mass genocide and say oh what a loving and forgiving lord.

    "the lies against Him"

    What the hell are you talking about? The only things I mentioned are things straight from the bible. How are those lies?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    HG: filtering a bible verse with prejudice is the source of a lot of the lies. And you`re right, a lot of people don`t know what`s best for them, look at the state of the government the people vote for. Lastly, if you don`t know God, how can you know how you`ll react when you do? how can a person have an experience eating pizza if they`ve never had it before? Sure they can guess, but we all have things we thought we`d dislike, until we tried them and found out we liked it.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    But you dont know god do you Smiley. You think you do. God doesnt actually talk to you, you just interpret stuff in your head.. its all internal, your listening to the sound of static and hearing holy voices.

    Cmon admit it.. god doesnt speak to you. never did.

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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
    1243 posts
    November 28, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    MattPrince: God speaks to every one of us, and we all can hear His voice. John 6:44-45. All true Christians have heard God`s voice. So can you.

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