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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    November 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Link: Obama Supporters Actually Hate Obama`s Policies - Obama supporters slam `Romney` policies, then the truth is uncovered that they`re actually Obama`s policies.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    I came for the comments....
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    In before markust says these people were trapped into looking stupid.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm
    See people? Obama has expanded upon the evils of the Bush admin, after PROMISING to reverse them!

    SHOCKER.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    Yeah, let`s lie to people to get some "gotcha" moments... that`s the kind of "journalism" the right just eats right up!

    I have commented before that Obama has done many things I disagree with, this video hits on just a few of them. The fact remains that, in my humble opinion, Bishop Romney in the White House would be much, much worse for this nation. He has committed himself to more war. He would stack the courts with more conservatives. He would open the environment to more rapacious activities. He would undo much of the last 80 years of social progress, thus condemning the disabled, the elderly, the indigent to begging for scraps from charities and churches. All of this combined with his undeniable desire to coddle the über-wealthy will doom our economy to even more failed supply-side idiocy... God help us if you neo-cons get your way.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    God help us if you neo-cons get your way.

    Oh he will chalket, he will.
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    Here are some of the sources that were mentioned throughout the interviews

    1st question, part 1 - 1st question, part 1 - Obama, in Europe, signs Patriot Act extension


    1st question, part 2 - Warrantless Spying Skyrockets Under Obama
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    Azerphel Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    Notice these are all the same things Romney and the Republicans in general agree with. Obama supports simply are taking these along with the good.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    MOST Obama supporters think Obama is TOO conservative. Always have. That is our complaint. That is why it is so shocking when people say he is the most liberal president ever.

    Romney does in fact support all this s.hit too right? Or it least will at some point?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    With his iPhone 5 prank and his earthquake prank, Jimmy Kimmel has clearly shown that people on the street will agree to anything and pretty much lie their hearts out if a microphone is stuck in their face.
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    NEWSFLASH: the average voter knows nothing about policy and votes for whichever guy their chosen news channel supports
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    kingdomCome

    NEWSFLASH: the average voter doesn`t watch news.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    chalket: Romney in the White House would be much, much worse for this nation. He has committed himself to more war. He would stack the courts with more conservatives. He would open the environment to more rapacious activities. He would undo much of the last 80 years of social progress, thus condemning the disabled, the elderly, the indigent to begging for scraps from charities and churches.

    Romney has said nothing about starting a new war with any country, Has said little if anything about repealing environmental regulation and Has said that he would help SS and disability stay solvent.

    As for food banks, Yes Romney wants to help them, but that`s not making people `beg for scraps`. The EBT cards are being abused and that fact has been reliably reported on. Stopping fraud and abuse would make sure that the people the actually need the money get it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    kitteh9lives: Good links, all of them.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    "Notice these are all the same things Romney and the Republicans in general agree with. Obama supports simply are taking these along with the good. "

    This. All of the things mentioned in the video are the main things I dislike about Obama (and the main things that Romney/Republicans like). He`s definitely not a perfect candidate for me, but he`s better than Romney would be. And Romney most definitely wouldn`t stop these things, so I don`t understand the point of this video. It`d make more sense to claim Romney`s doing things that Obama`s doing but that Romney would actually end.

    What HG said is also too true.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    I find it interesting that the the FemiNazis are still siding with Obama, regardless, but two of the three immigrants (judging by their accents) are rethinking their position.

    I just have to say "wake up America!!!". If you have different beliefs than , fine, but do a little research before you pull that lever next Tuesday.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    (and the main things that Romney/Republicans like)

    wrong....again.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm
    "wrong....again."

    How? The Patriot Act was put in place by a Republican. Warrantless wiretaps started (or at least progressed greatly) under Bush and many Republicans supported him doing them in the name of "defense". Holding people indefinitely without trial was very popular under Bush; Obama ran on stopping that and sadly hasn`t. The kill list is something that may or may not have happened under Bush, but it seems like more Republicans support it compared to Democrats. Romney absolutely supports drone strikes, he even admitted it in one of the debates.

    So how am I wrong? The only one that`s iffy is the kill list, and I don`t know any Democrat (besides those in office) who actually support that.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:35 pm
    For Crakr`s education:
    "Romney has said nothing about starting a new war"
    Romney, Nov 12, 2011: "Finally, the president should have built credible threat of military action, and made it very clear that the US is willing, in the final analysis, if necessary, to take military action to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Look, one thing you can know: if we reelect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if we elect Mitt Romney, if you`d like me as the next president, they will not have a nuclear weapon."

    "Has said little if anything about repealing environmental regulation"
    Romney said he`d "take a weed whacker" to the president`s regulations, he wants to fast-track drilling permits in the Outer Continental Shelf and Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, he`s promised to remove carbon regulation and ease clean-air restrictions for coal plants.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm
    LOLOLOLOL UR SIDE SO STOOPID
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 1:13 am
    chalket: "Taking military action" is not "Starting a war". Didn`t Obama "take military action" to kill Bin Laden? A: Yes. Did that "start a war"? A: No.

    The EPA under Obama has overstepped it`s bounds and Obama is trying to regulate all coal power plants out of existence, which is crazy. As far as oil goes, "Drill Baby, Drill!" is what I believe. The sooner we can rid ourselves off of using middle-eat oil, the better.

    Btw, That`s what the Dept. of Energy`s founding goal was all about, getting us energy independent. 40 years later and it still hasn`t accomplished it`s original mission.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 2:00 am
    @chalket: So Obama is PROVEN to be bad, and you KNOW you disagree with much of his platform.
    BUT "Romney would be worse".
    Is that a logical reason to vote for Obama? In liberal-land... it is!

    He has committed himself to more war.
    Unlike Obama, who would NEVER attack Libya!
    (hint: droping bombs on a country`s soldiers = WAR!)

    @LillianDulci: No, many Republicans think Bush`s `Patriot Act` goes too far and do NOT like/support it.
    Obama could have killed it, but CHOSE to re-sign, even EXPAND it. Which is worse? To do something you`ve promised or to do the OPPOSITE of what you promised?

    I love watching clueless liberals! There`s nothing a "fact" can do to knock the "groupthink" out of their heads (see: @chaklet below).
    They were all good sports about it, I`d like to see the blooper reel though - lolz!

    Thanks @Kitty9 for this and for the linkies!
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 4:42 am
    - Obama can`t restore habeas corpus if congress won`t let him close guantanamo and fund trials...

    - Obama promised to revisit the Patriot Act and he did. Of course it could be a lot better, I`m not going to deny this.

    - I understand that the war on terror is complex but I disagree with the "kill list" and use of drones to police the world.

    But this video remains useless as Romney has stated he supports all of those policies. Romney wants to increase defense spending by $2 trillion (money the military didn`t even asked for) and his advisors include many known warmongers.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 4:56 am
    @5Cats, I find it funny that your last post was pretty much dead on, only replace Democrat with Republican. Republicans have a list of crap they push, even though none of them believe or want it (and don`t pretend you sit around begging for the government to take your money and give it to the rich).

    In the end, both men have their issues. But what sort of twit would vote for a man who wears magical undies, wants to give your money to the rich and want to put "God in Government"? Only someone who has been brainwashed by the right wing way. Someone who can regurgitate the BS. Well...that or someone who is just plain racist.
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    FuriousC Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 5:31 am
    Dopes of hope, led by the Prince of Fools.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 6:59 am
    Funny how when you look at them closely thery`re not so different huh..... Must be Bush`s fault lets give him another Nobel peace prize!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 6:59 am
    So Obama is PROVEN to be bad, and you KNOW you disagree with much of his platform.
    BUT "Romney would be worse".
    Is that a logical reason to vote for Obama? In liberal-land... it is!
    This is a joke. So in neo-con land, "Romney would be better" is a sensible reason to vote for Romney? Even though he has barely told you sheep anything about how he`s going to do the outrageous things he`s going to do? As it turns out, thinking he will do a better job with no proof (Governors have little influence on the economy, many economists say this) IS a good reason to vote for him, because how else would he get any votes since he`s never been president? Just as it`s fine to think that Romney will do a worse job, an equally possible scenario. But nevermind that, all of you should just vote for reasons only @5cats thinks are proper.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:03 am
    5Cats, republican voters may very well disagree with it (republican voters probably disagree with a lot of what they`re voting for tbqh) but it was put in place by a Republican (politician) as I said and you think Romney is going to put a stop to it? That`s hiiiighly unlikely.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:49 am
    lol, like you have a choice

    “We need a revolution every 200 years, because all governments become stale and corrupt after 200 years.” – Ben Franklin
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:54 am
    patchgrabber: Romney has a record of turning things around and making them better. Obama`s record is dismal and getting worse. The unemployment figure is in and it`s higher than it was last month. That`s pretty damn sad considering this is the time when most places are hiring for the holiday rush.

    Btw, people are getting pissed off at the slow response of FEMA, again. Residents of Staten Island have largely been ignored, the lines for gasoline are getting longer and people are left to dumpster diving to try and find food.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:01 am
    Romney has a record of turning things around and making them better.
    I`ve already said governors have little impact on the economy, so just as you cannot completely blame Romney for 47 out of 50 in job creation, similarly you can`t praise him for great economic recovery since all he can really do is speed or slow the recovery around the margins. And just because you can drive a Powerwheels car doesn`t mean you can drive an RV. Every election cycle you have politicians saying the same thing: "I`m going to be different, I`m going to clean up this town!" and it`s 95% BS every time. Basically it`s just whose BS do you believe the most.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:23 am
    patchgrabber: Your accusation that Romney left Massachusetts 47 out of 50 in job creation is an outright lie. When he become Governor they were ranked dead last, when he left office they were ranked 28th.

    We already know Obama BS`d us with his own "I`m going to clean up this town!". At least Romney has a track record of actually doing it.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 9:13 am
    At least Romney has a track record of actually doing it.

    More or less, Romney did propose budgets every now and then to increase taxes and fees. He did at one time though propose cutting business taxes by .3% points, but that mere grandstanding. Then he left office with RomneyCare of all things. Now it`s just hard to figure out where he stands on the issues. He`s for free trade (and China bashing). He proposes tax cuts, yet won`t name specifics. Finally just like Obama he wants to continue the reckless Bush foreign policy: drone strikes, more wars etcetera. I`m with patch on this issue Romney really isn`t a substitute, just the same 5h177y ice cream with a different label.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 9:16 am
    Your accusation that Romney left Massachusetts 47 out of 50 in job creation is an outright lie
    It isn`t a lie, in point of fact. The state ranked 47th out of 50 states in percentage of job growth. But that’s a four-year, cumulative number. Your number of 28 is correct for his final year. But my initial point still stands: governors have very little influence on the economy, so you can`t attribute the majority of that growth to Romney, because his impact is small compared to effects of events and trends over which he had little control. The conditions that caused the beginning of recovery were there when he took office.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:05 am
    ...in percentage of job growth.
    @patchy I expect that kind of stupid from HG or BF, not you!
    Percentage of job growth = meaningless!
    If State #1`s unemployment is 12% and the Governer lowers that to 10%, that`s a whopping 20% improvement!
    Now state 2 has 4% unemployment, and the Gov lowers it to 3.9% a `crappy` 3% gain.
    Which State has BETTER employment?
    According to you: State #1!
    According to reality: State #2

    @tekinette: Still selling the Sanke Oil, eh? Despite my PROVING that the Repubs had nothing to do with "stopping Obama" in year one (which was his promise).
    Either prove me wrong or STFU! I`ve completely proven my arguement, too bad for you if you didn`t bother to read it.

    @patchouly: So attacking Mitt`s religion is OK now? In libtard land it is!
    Obama HAD HIS CHANCE to do as promised and... NOPE!
    BUT Romney (according to YOU) cannot possibly do better!
    Logic! You lack it!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:11 am
    "Romney would be better"
    YES! @patchy! Believing one candidate will perform BETTER than the other is in fact a GOOD, VALID reason to support him/her! DUH!
    Or do you deliberatly choose the WORST candidate for your support? Hey, it`s a semi-free country bro...
    Romney has loads of business experience = real life!
    Obama? None = academia while stoned.

    Romeny has loads of political experience = ability to govern
    Obama had ONE year as a Junior Senator = no clue.

    Romney has a record of BEING bi-partisan = cooperates with the opposition to find the best solution.
    Obama said "We Won" = entirely ONE sided bills.

    I could go on, but hey, if you think Obama should be elected based on: his skin colour and Romney`s religion? Mere things like "truth" or "logic" are un-likely to persuade you.
    (not `you` @patchy! I mean the rest of the IAB Liberal Club)
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:18 am
    @5cats: I think you`re not looking at the first thing I said. I wasn`t using the 47 number as a means to attack Romney, rather, I was using it as an example of how you can`t blame him for most economic problems, just as you can`t universally praise him for economic recovery. My main point still stands (and is backed up by economists) that governors have little overall effect on the economy themselves. Should Romney take credit for the end of the recession that was occurring when he took office? I`m not trying to say he was bad at job growth, I`m just saying he had a much smaller effect on the economy than repubs give him credit for, just as the slow growth of Mass. out of that recession also wasn`t attributable to Romney, for the most part.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:22 am
    ...as I said and you think Romney is going to put a stop to it? That`s hiiiighly unlikely.
    @LillianDulci: But Obama has had 4 years to do those things, and failed or WORSE!
    Unlikely > Never -Thus Romney wins that arguement!

    Then he left office with RomneyCare of all things.
    @Cajun: He cooperated with a Democrat controled State Legislature! To produce a bi-partisan Bill that was as good for his STATE (this is very inportant) as possible = BAD???

    Obama had ZERO Republican input, despite 7 suggestions, didn`t let Congress even READ THE BILL before voting AND is trying to force ONE solution onto ALL 57 STATES against their will!
    THAT = good?
    wtf dude? He had to bribe members of his own party to support Obamacare!

    Race! Magic Underpants! Keep chanting the mantra boys and girls!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:25 am
    @patchy: I do remember that, because it makes good sense! :-)

    BUT!
    The MSM has no trouble BLAMING one party when things are bad, and praising the other when things go well.
    NEVER the opposite, of course!

    So claims of who is responsible for what are not as important as having ONE stick to measure BOTH parties with EQUALLY.

    Just MHO... same for Canada and our 5 official parties!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Romney has loads of business experience = real life!
    Obama? None = academia while stoned.
    Well, first off I`m going to point out that being president =/= CEO. Second, if you look at investment records, the number of alternative energy companies that were federally-funded and went bankrupt was 5 out of 63, about 8% (not the 50% Romney claimed). During Mitt`s time at Bain, WSJ found that 22% of the companies he invested in went bankrupt. So he does have a lot of experience...in making himself money.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:30 am
    @5cats: That`s why I don`t watch American news, it`s not really news any more. Everyone just wants to blame each other, but pointing out bias in the news is like pointing out lies from a politician: It`s cool to know, but they all do it anyway.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:42 am
    I`m just going to be glad once this election is over and the butt-hurt losing side ends it`s whining and the uber-happy winning side stops gloating. Then I can get back to watching videos of people hurting themselves and pictures of "random awkwardness (read: scantily clad girl compilation)" like this site was intended for.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:46 am
    Then I can get back to watching videos of people hurting themselves and pictures of "random awkwardness (read: scantily clad girl compilation)" like this site was intended for.

    Hear HEAR!!! Politics has been killing da sites funnehz!!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:05 am
    "Obama had ZERO Republican input, despite 7 suggestions, didn`t let Congress even READ THE BILL before voting AND is trying to force ONE solution onto ALL 57 STATES against their will!"

    Amazing how many lies you squeezed into that one sentence.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:12 am
    "Unlikely > Never -Thus Romney wins that arguement!"

    Invalid argument due to Romney supporting the Patriot Act. If he actually said somewhere that he`d try to put a stop to it, I`d agree with you. But he hasn`t, because he wont, he doesn`t plan to, and he doesn`t want to. He supports it. If you`re going to fuss about Obama supporting the patriot act, which was originally put in place by a REPUBLICAN and is most definitely a REPUBLICAN plan, you have to fuss about Romney supporting it too. Because he does.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:20 am
    "Romeny has loads of political experience = ability to govern
    Obama had ONE year as a Junior Senator = no clue."

    Obama has 4 years as president, I think that`s a bit relevant.

    "Romney has a record of BEING bi-partisan = cooperates with the opposition to find the best solution.
    Obama said "We Won" = entirely ONE sided bills. "

    This one made me laugh out loud, for realz. Obama is WAY too bipartisan. He gives into the Republicans soooo much and makes "deals" with them where they benefit way more than Democrats. That`s the reason Obamacare has a mandate but no public option. Republicans wanted a mandate, Obama gave it to them. Republicans didn`t like the public option, Obama got rid of it. Republicans have purposefully tried to stop Obama from doing anything so they can blame him for not accomplishing enough and so it`d be easier to elect a Republican next time.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:30 am
    During Mitt`s time at Bain, WSJ found that 22% of the companies he invested in went bankrupt
    @patchy: You forget: Bain Capital`s "expertise" is buying financially troubled companies and either "fixing" them or liquidating them in an orderly fashion.
    So one should say "ONLY 22%" that`s great! Good job Mitt! (since if left alone it would have been much higher, eh?)

    Mitt: Invests his OWN money. (or his company`s)
    Obama: Invests YOUR money... doesn`t ask, doesn`t tell!

    I`m just going to be glad once this election is over and the butt-hurt losing side ends it`s whining and the uber-happy winning side stops gloating.
    Only 2 years til MIDTERMS! Then 2 more years til ANOTHER Election!
    Teh Horror: it never ends!!!

    Amazing how many lies you squeezed into that one sentence.
    List them @markust! Please do! I`m an IDIOT for saying there are 57 US Staes, right???

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Obama has 4 years as president, I think that`s a bit relevant.
    @LD I said "had" as in when BHO started campaigning in 2007. Believe it or not, there are Democrats who say Romney doesn`t have... enough political experience!@!! One cannot make things like this up!

    He gives into the Republicans soooo much...
    Now I`M loling! Name ONE! Go on, do try!
    ALL the things you mentioned from Obamacare were changed to appease Democrats! Or had `polled` so poorly that the US public would have been even angrier! NOT ONE INCH did Obama `give in` on Obamacare to the Repubs.

    In negotiations for the 2012 Fedreal Budget, Obama came to an agreement with The House (R) and the Senate (D) BUT then demanded MOAR TAXES while the parties were still discussing it. That killed it, dead. Even Harry Reid (D) the senate leader was outraged at this "Chicago Style" amaturism...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:43 am
    Obama had ZERO Republican input

    The NDAA enjoyed bipartisan support in the House actaully. It also got some GOPers in the senate as well.

    THAT = good?
    wtf dude? He had to bribe members of his own party to support Obamacare!

    You notice my avatar right? Obamacare is bad that I agree on. Obama shouldn`t be president, that`s my stance.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:50 am
    Crakr: Are you really dumb enough to think that a covert Seal op could end Iran`s nuclear program? TOO STUPID!

    The EPA is doing it`s job, protecting our children`s air and water from rapacious corporate greed. Coal plants would still exist, they`d just be slightly less obscenely profitable.

    News Flash: WE WILL NEVER BE ENERGY INDEPENDENT. Period. It`s just not possible. All `energy` (coal, oil, gas, et al) goes into the worldwide market. When you say "Drill Baby, Drill" it really means "Screw the planet!"

    Btw, the D.O.E. mission has nothing to do with "energy independence" as they are much smarter than you and know that is an impossible goal. "The mission of the Energy Department is to ensure America’s security and prosperity by addressing its energy, environmental and nuclear challenges through transformative science and technology solutions." http://
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:55 am
    5Cats, you seemed to have been comparing Obama with Romney, and since they are both the candidates now, it doesn`t make sense to say "well 4 years ago he didn`t have as much experience as Romney does now" when now he has much more experience (and I have fussed at people who claim Romney doesn`t have enough experience btw, cause I do remember people making the same claim toward Obama in an attempt to discredit him).
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
    "Now I`M loling! Name ONE! Go on, do try! "
    I already named some in my original post. If you pay attention at all to what actually goes on in congress it`d be quite evident that Obama gives into Republicans /constantly/. People only think Obama`s "the most liberal president EVAR" and that he refuses to work with Republicans because they`ve been brainwashed by fox. I wish Obama was half as liberal and strong as these liars make him out to be. He`d have been an excellent president.

    "ALL the things you mentioned from Obamacare were changed to appease Democrats"
    Not at all. Democrats hated the mandate; it was a republican idea meant to benefit insurance companies. Democrats were overwhelmingly in favor of the public option, which republicans hated. I was *okay* with the mandate /until/ the public option was off the table. Now the mandate makes 0 sense.

    "NOT ONE INCH did Obama `give in` on Obamacare to the Repubs. "
    Keep
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
    Keep lying to yourself*
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Stop wasting your time Lillian. No amount of truth or facts can convince these clods that their carefully-constructed, Fox-fueled fantasies are anything less than gospel from God.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    chalket, I realized quite a while ago that nothing I say to 5Cats will have any affect on him. Buuuut you never know who will be reading the board, and I don`t like letting people get away with lying.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    chalket: A covert operation could certainly put a major dent in Iran`s plans to build nuclear weapons, yes they could.

    The EPA has been the single, most meddlesome agency in the US government. They don`t protect the environment, they sue farmers for plowing their fields (because of a caterpillar), they risk the safety and security of our power grid by shutting down power plants and have twisted the clear meaning of their statute to overstep its authority.

    WE WILL NEVER BE ENERGY INDEPENDENT.

    Not with this Obama Department of Energy we won`t.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    From the original DOEs mission statement:

    The Congress hereby declares that the general welfare and the common defense and security require effective action to develop, and increase the efficiency and reliability of use of, all energy sources to meet the needs of present and future generations, to increase the productivity of the national economy and strengthen its position in regard to international trade, to make the Nation self-sufficient in energy
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    you know kitteh, pushing your (or fancy`s) political agenda all the time makes you look like douches.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Crakr: please link your source for that (as I did for mine).

    And you are fooling yourself (or believe Bond movies are real) if you think that any covert operations (of which many have already been undertaken, Stuxnet for example) could END their nuclear program.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    Chalket: Straight from the government, so you can`t say it`s biased. Link
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    chalket: You might be amazed at what our military can do with the right amount of time to prepare and train for a mission like that.
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    November 2, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    Nice try, Crakr, but that is just what Congress was trying for when they busted up the Atomic Energy Commission and created the Energy Research and Development Administration, but it`s not a mission statement.
    And you conveniently stopped your quote just before "...to advance the goals of restoring, protecting, and enhancing environmental quality, and to assure public health and safety" which is kinda where we started this conversation about the EPA, isn`t it?
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    November 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    you know kitteh, pushing your (or fancy`s) political agenda all the time makes you look like douches.
    Um @Xerasia? Realty time! Start from the top and go back, let`s say 10 pages. COUNT how many Pro-Obama (Democrat) posts there are vs Pro-Romney (Republican) posts.
    Posts which slander the other side are of course included.
    I`ll wager the Pro-O outnumber the Pro-R by a fair margin!
    Be sure to make a list so we can "check your math" eh?
    Go on! I`m daring you!

    @LillianDulci: It`s true, your emotion-based, fact-free rants are indeed unlikely to change my mind!
    Just like my opinionated, half-baked rants are unlikely to change yours!

    But look at what I have to go through! @markust calls me a liar, won`t say WHY he thinks that...
    You did too!
    Check out @Patchouly on the "Sometimes the Homeless..." thread: id=79234
    ALL he does is sling poop at me! While claiming he`s smarter! Oy Vey!


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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    5Cats, we`re calling you a liar because you are lying. Whether or not you realize it (perhaps you think it`s true, but your source is lying to you) what you`ve been saying here is contrary to reality. When people talk about how Obama is the most partisan president or w/e it`s honestly laughable to anyone who actually pays attention at ALL to American politics.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    @LD: And I`ve counter challenged! Asked you (and others) to provide:
    Examples of Obama`s bi-partisanship. Not ANICDOTES! Examples! Backed up if neccessary!
    -Show me the "deals he`s made" with Republicans.
    -Show me the times Repubs BLOCKED his bills (before the mid-terms).

    "Obama tried to compromise..." is NOT EVIDENCE of actual bi-partisanship, it`s AN OPINION!

    Obama demanding MORE tax increases AFTER a budget agreement had been reached with the Repub House AND the Dem Senate? THAT is EVIDENCE of his refusal to compromise.

    When asked why the Republicans were not even ALLOWED INTO THE ROOM when Obamacare was being written? Obama said: "We won."
    Your "examples" of BHO "compromising" have all been, as I`ve said already, done with the Democrats! The Repubs weren`t even IN THE ROOM!
    How bi-partisan is that? Zero.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 2, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    chalket: ...that is just what Congress was trying for...

    Thus I am correct, that is why it was created and it`s original mission. You said that wasn`t it`s original mission and I`ve proved my point that it was.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 3, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    um... No. Congress writes the bill authorizing the agency, and stating their POLITICAL desires for it. Then the agency is formed and the actual mission statement is created. Two separate and distinct things.

    When Congress proposes a bill, they often put all kinds of politicized crap in their "purpose" to appease the opposition or for appearances to their constituents or simply to distort the real purpose. For example, H.R.3606, "Jumpstart Our Business Startups Act" says "To increase American job creation and economic growth by improving access to the public capital markets for emerging growth companies" when many impartial critics say that bill just reduces regulatory restrictions and does nothing to create jobs.
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