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    klaxor Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Link: Louis CK On Corporate America - An interesting take on the Capitalist system.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:35 am
    This would be better if they weren`t yelling over each other. :\
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:37 am
    I wasted 9 minutes without one single laugh, or one single meaningful insight, before moving on... still bored and now angry and slightly offended. Gee, thanks.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:38 am
    This seems to be more of a criticism of society than capitalism.

    As a side note, Microsoft is lightyears ahead of Apple right now. Comparing the two is like suggesting that AMD is close to Intel; maybe in the past, but definitely not anymore. Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:39 am
    "Corporate America" ... "Capitalist"

    The two are largely antagonistic. Corporate America is in bed with government to avoid the difficulties of capitalism, to avoid actually having to compete. Instead they demand tax money money for over-priced projects no-one wants to pay for with their own money (fundamentally contrary to capitalism) and heavy regulation to keep out small competitors (likewise).

    As this is, it is largely nasty bigotry against older people, and a bizarre assumptions and random insults about someone he doesn`t know.
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 9:00 am
    couldn`t make it thru the drivel to Louis.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 9:01 am
    It may have been interesting to hear what Louis CK had to say- I don`t know. I couldn`t get past the first few moments while those two dunderheads were doing what they do- annoy.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 9:14 am
    I hate Opie and Anthony so much.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 11:07 am
    "Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network."

    That makes no sense whatsoever.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 11:09 am
    That makes no sense whatsoever.
    Please expand upon that idea. By the way, I own a company that develops, modernizes, and maintains business networks throughout the nation; so, please feel free to be specific.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 11:27 am
    "Please expand upon that idea. By the way, I own a company that develops, modernizes, and maintains business networks throughout the nation; so, please feel free to be specific."

    Oooo, sounds important. I own a company that creates and operates motion graphics for Fortune 500 company events globally. Apple-based. Whoopie.

    That`s your problem. Since YOU understand networking in a Windows-based world and frequent forums where similar-minded people gather, you think all PC users do. They don`t. Similar percentages of PC and Apple people are clueless about anything other than surfing and email on their computer. Similar percentages of PC and Apple people understand more advanced topics like networking and modifying their computers. Knowledge of networking is contingent on need and interest, not platform.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Since YOU understand networking in a Windows-based world and frequent forums where similar-minded people gather, you think all PC users do.
    You`ve assumed this incorrectly. In fact, from my previous statement, one should be able to infer that I understand reality to be quite the opposite. I`ve stated that:

    Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
    From this, you should have been able to infer that I consider Windows (and other Microsoft products) to be superior to those offered by Apple relative to networking. Am I wrong in assuming that this is a reasonable inference to reach based on my statement?

    Within this context (as in, based on what I said and you refuted), I can list a multitude of reasons that Microsoft products excel relative to Apple. Can you do the same for Apple?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 11:58 am
    "From this, you should have been able to infer that I consider Windows (and other Microsoft products) to be superior to those offered by Apple relative to networking."

    In my personal experience, Apple computers are infinitely more easy to network than Windows computers. I can`t speak for networking large numbers on an enterprise level with all that entails from an IT central management system but networking a few local computers within a room or a house via either ethernet or airport is so much easier with Apple computers. You think Microsoft networking is easier because that`s what you know. Every time I`ve tried to network two pcs together I`ve found it nearly impossible, even using the worthless wizards they provide. I`m sure this is because I rarely do it. It`s gotten better now that pcs have wifi and Windows 7 but with ethernet it sucked.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    You think Microsoft networking is easier because that`s what you know.
    Once again, you`ve somehow extrapolated more than I suggested. My statement suggests that Microsoft products are more CAPABLE, as in, have more powerful technologies than Apple. I did not state that it was easier (though I do believe it to be the case).

    Every time I`ve tried to network two pcs together I`ve found it nearly impossible
    Even though this is outside the scope of our discussion (we are discussing features and capabilities, not ease of use), I will elaborate.

    First off, you should be using a file server or NAS. It is not really "proper" to connect computers in this way. You certainly are able to though by Sharing the folder (right-click, properties), and then mapping the share on the other computer in the form: \\<hostname>\<share>
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    "Within this context (as in, based on what I said and you refuted), I can list a multitude of reasons that Microsoft products excel relative to Apple. Can you do the same for Apple?"

    I`m too old for that troll bait. I`ve used both platforms extensively in my lifetime and made an informed choice which platform I prefer. Unlike most people who bash Apple products. I really just hope the next version of PowerPoint finally has HD resolution slides in the options. Keynote has had HD slides for years so I really don`t understand the hold-up. Guess M$ thinks the standard monitor resolution is still 800x600...

    Have you seen the sales numbers for Windows 8? Not doing too well, I`m afraid.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    It`s gotten better now that pcs have wifi and Windows 7 but with ethernet it sucked.
    This is a product of outside manufacturers. Most often, the ethernet ports are built into the motherboard; the motherboard is not built by Microsoft (could be Gigabyte, Asus, Intel, so on...). It is the same with wireless cards.

    These are not Microsoft products...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    I`ve used both platforms extensively in my lifetime and made an informed choice which platform I prefer
    Again, that is great for you. Now, what does it have to do with networking capabilities? As I have continuously suggested, you are simply ignorant regarding the capabilities available. That is fine, as you most likely do not need them.

    Because of this lack of a need, you are ignorant of the capabilities, and so choose Apple. This simply logical conclusion correlates perfectly with my original statement:

    Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
    Consider people who DO understand what networks are capable of. Do you think they overwhelmingly purchase MS or Apple technologies? I will give you a hint, it is not Apple.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    Have you seen the sales numbers for Windows 8? Not doing too well, I`m afraid.
    Also, though this (again...) has nothing to do with our conversation (since it is an OS preference rather than the capabilities of a network), Windows 8 is not a good OS - in my opinion.

    Our official stance and recommendation to our clients is to avoid it and stick with Windows 7. Hmm.. speaking of Windows 7, how are sales with that OS? Oh yea, record-breaking.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    " speaking of Windows 7, how are sales with that OS? Oh yea, record-breaking."

    I`m sure ending support for XP had nothing to do with that...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    I`m sure ending support for XP had nothing to do with that...
    Windows XP End of Life is in 2014. Try again.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    I love how this turned in to a Mac Vs. Microsoft argument.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    @cobra killer 100% agree with you. It`s always fun seeing the kids come out trying to get the last word.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    I love how this turned in to a Mac Vs. Microsoft argument.
    It`s actually not my intent if you read back a bit. I think Mac`s are fantastic for the average home user (though I still prefer Windows by a long shot). However, in network environment`s, they are very restrictive (relative to Windows). You can see this attitude in my original statement:

    Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
    I am not sure was @lauriloo is failing to comprehend as she continues to venture off on random tangents unrelated to networking.

    Mac`s are what they are: if you only need a home PC with minimal capabilities, then they are stable, reliable, and elegant. If you needs enterprise level networking capabilities, Windows wins every time. You sacrifice the elegance and simplicity of the Mac for the featureset of Windows.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    It`s always fun seeing the kids come out trying to get the last word.
    Also fun watching some opinion-less imbecile attempt to "take the high road" while simultaneously attempting to demean others by calling them "kids".
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    "Consider people who DO understand what networks are capable of. Do you think they overwhelmingly purchase MS or Apple technologies? I will give you a hint, it is not Apple."

    Alright, I`ll bite. What does a M$ network do that an Apple one can`t?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    "I love how this turned in to a Mac Vs. Microsoft argument."

    What can I say? I was bored and he`s so easy to upset.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    "I am not sure was @lauriloo is failing to comprehend as she continues to venture off on random tangents unrelated to networking."

    I guess it`s that I can`t believe your entire argument was limited to enterprise networking specifics. Guess it was just a posting that only made sense to you.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    Alright, I`ll bite. What does a M$ network do that an Apple one can`t?
    Cool, off the top of my head:

    1. DirectAccess
    2. Distributed File System
    3. Office365 AD Federation
    4. Mac`s can authenticate with AD. Apple does not allow Windows machines to authenticate with OS X server...
    5. GPO`s are considerably more flexible than Mac`s MCX preferences...
    6. EXCHANGE
    7. On premise Lync Server (Communications)
    8. Microsoft has IIS. Mac needs to piggyback on Apache.
    9. MS has MSSQL; Apple needs to piggyback...
    10. AD replication is vastly superior to OD replication.
    11. BrancheCache
    12. Multiple forest`s in a domain.

    Keep going or no?

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    I guess it`s that I can`t believe your entire argument was limited to enterprise networking specifics.
    How is this possible given the statement in question:

    Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
    How can you possibly infer, from this, that the scope includes: I believe everyone knows the same amount about networking as I do; I believe MS networking is easier (rather than more capable/flexible); connecting two machines directly together and considering a full-fledged network; PowerPoint; screen resolutions; Windows 8 sales; and end of life for Windows XP.

    Can you possible explain how ANY of those are within the scope of my statement:

    Apple is for people who do not understand the capabilities of multiple computers within a network.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    "Can you possible explain how ANY of those are within the scope of my statement"

    Your original statement about the video was about M$ being light years ahead of Apple so there`s no comparison of the two companies. A very general statement. Given that I didn`t know what you did for a living, I took it generally. Your networking comment was just a specific to that general statement. How would I assume you were talking about companies and not individual consumers? So I rebutted the notion that Apple users were exceptionally ignorant about networking so that`s why they use Apple products.

    The Powerpoint comment was in response to your challenge that M$ had superior PRODUCTS. Again, a statement I took as a general challenge to which I gave a specific example of a M$ inferiority.

    Does that explain it for you?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:45 pm
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    Your original statement about the video was about M$ being light years ahead of Apple so there`s no comparison of the two companies.
    Ah, I see. In this case, you should have quoted the entire statement that you were refuting, or at least have stated somewhere else that our scope was wider than my assumption; you had many opportunities to do so as I had made my assumptions very clear. Since you only quoted one specific segment, I reasonably understood this to mean that our disagreement fell within the context of the statement you quoted. I consider this a fair assumption.

    Your networking comment was just a specific to that general statement.
    Agreed - though this is what I had understood to be the scope of our disagreement.

    The Powerpoint comment was in response to your challenge that M$ had superior PRODUCTS.
    If so, why use it?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    "If so, why use it?"

    When I can avoid it, I do. I`ve gone so far as to convert a client`s slides to Keynote, run the show, and convert it all back to PowerPoint to hand it back to them because they need to send the deck to employees after the event. But when the show is over 200 slides and there is limited time, sometimes it`s just not worth it. Sometimes to save money, the client insists we use their own pc laptops. Some speakers show up just before they give their speech and I don`t have time to convert their slides. So, occasionally I am forced to use PowerPoint. Thankfully, it`s rare. And I love it when a client converts to Mac/Keynote after I show them what they could be capable of. Usually happens because of a multi-company event where some people supply powerpoints and other people supply Keynotes. People who use Powerpoint usually aren`t aware what Keynote can do until they see someone outside their company use it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    @lauriloo

    I`ll give you PowerPoint, as I do not care for it myself - although, admittedly, I have never used KeyNote.

    That being said, what about as a collective? Surely it will be easy to pick and choose Microsoft or Apple products and suggest a "better" alternative; but what about the whole?

    Word, EXCEL, OneNote, OUTLOOK, Publisher, Access, InfoPath, SharePoint and Lync. What does Apple have?

    Also, let`s consider servers. Is there a single server that Apple offers that can compete with a comparable Microsoft server?

    Concerning Operating Systems, I imagine it will simply come down to preference. There are reasonable arguments for both sides.

    Also, what about Phones? Have you tried iPhone, Android, and Windows Phone? I have. iOS is the worst of the bunch in my opinion.

    And what about Xbox? iTunes sucks, but so does WMP. Does Apple offer DVR software like WMC?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    My point is this: as a collective, Microsoft is in a different league when compared to either Google or Apple.

    For virtually every Google or Apple product, there is a comparable Microsoft product. The same cannot be said the other way around. In addition to that, Microsoft offers several products that neither Google or Apple come close to offering.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    "Word, EXCEL, OneNote, OUTLOOK, Publisher, Access, InfoPath, SharePoint and Lync. What does Apple have? "

    Considering Microsoft is primarily a software company, I would hope they would have more software than a company that is primarily a hardware company that only seeks to provide their customers with the most commonly-used software needs and leaves the niche software to third-party software companies. Believe me, I can accomplish all the things your software list does in an Apple environment without resorting to a M$ product poorly ported to mac. I had to look up half the items you listed because I didn`t know what they were.

    BTW- I own an XBox and Kinect. Frankly, I now wish I had bought a PS3 instead but chose XBox because Target had such a cheap black friday deal on it. I later bought an Apple TV because I was fed up with spending $60/yr for XBox Gold to watch Netflix when I could spend $99 once on an Apple TV and get iTunes and now HuluPlus, too.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    Believe me, I can accomplish all the things your software list does in an Apple environment without resorting to a M$ product poorly ported to mac.
    Hyper-V and/or Terminal Services; how do you intend on pulling those off with Apple products? Afterall, my list included server OS`s as well.

    Also, what about Windows Media Center? That was on my list too.

    I now wish I had bought a PS3 instead but chose XBox because Target had such a cheap black friday deal on it
    This would have been a mistake. Having owned both, Xbox is better. If you spent $60, you paid too much. Gold cards are often ~$35 for a year on Amazon. Additionally, PS3 is Sony, not Apple. As such, it is outside of the scope... (sounding familiar?)
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:22 am
    @HumanAction: you need to actually use mac, because all of those "Advantages" you listed, are actually supported by mac systems. You just don`t know how to use them.

    How do I know? Well, I used to connect supercomputer clusters for my university.

    And what is it that most enterprises actually choose? What are most industrial servers running? I`ll give you a clue, it`s not Windows. Get off your bubble, actually robust and powerful networking is not done with windows, and windows doesn`t truly provide anymore anything mac servers don`t.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:28 am
    Word, EXCEL, OneNote, OUTLOOK, Publisher, Access, InfoPath, SharePoint and Lync. What does Apple have?

    Pages is a much better, much more elegant word processor.
    Same with Numbers, with the exception that Excel has more functions than Numbers, although the number is growing.
    OneNote, seriously? TextEdit has been far superior to OneNote before OneNote even existed.
    Mail is a much nicer alternative to Outlook, and there are other apps out there that outperform Mail.
    Publisher? Don`t mind if I prefer to code my webpages with something more robust, like Coda. But if you want something easier and better there`s iWeb.

    Need I continue? All you keep showing is that you are completely ignorant about the capabilities of Apple`s ecosystem. Sorry champ, but "lightyears ahead", was never true. And less so nowadays.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 5:09 am
    OSx is to Windows as checkers is to Chess.

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:09 am
    @jendrian

    because all of those "Advantages" you listed, are actually supported by mac systems
    Explain to me how to establish the following with Mac-only systems (as in, not piggybacking from another vendor such as Microsoft):

    1. DirectAccess
    2. Distributed File System
    3. Office365 AD Federation
    4. Mac`s can authenticate with AD. Apple does not allow Windows machines to authenticate with OS X server...
    5. GPO`s are considerably more flexible than Mac`s MCX preferences...
    6. EXCHANGE
    7. On premise Lync Server (Communications)
    8. Microsoft has IIS. Mac needs to piggyback on Apache.
    9. MS has MSSQL; Apple needs to piggyback...
    10. AD replication is vastly superior to OD replication.
    11. BrancheCache
    12. Multiple forest`s in a domain.

    See, I`ve worked extensively with Mac, Windows, and Hybrid networks. Windows is much more prevalent in enterprises.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:14 am
    Need I continue? All you keep showing is that you are completely ignorant about the capabilities of Apple`s ecosystem
    I understand that you wish this to be true; unfortunately, it is not so. I certainly love the conjecture, but let`s do this so we can be more "fact-based". I`ll list 5 products offered by Microsoft that have no comparable Apple product. You then list 5 Apple products. We can continue that until one of us is completely out. Does that sound fair?

    1. Bing
    2. Windows Intune
    3. Office 365
    4. Xbox
    5. Windows Media Center

    You`re turn; or, as I expect to be the case, you are as ignorant about MS products as you assume I am of Apple products.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:20 am
    How do I know? Well, I used to connect supercomputer clusters for my university.
    Well isn`t that lovely. Want to know where I get my experience?

    I`ve worked on networks in hospitals, corporations, colleges, etc. What you suggest, is not true; Windows environments still dominate the industry.

    Here`s a simple question - why do CS courses still teach students Microsoft tech (think AD)? If Apple was both more prevalent and more capable, one would think that university`s would teach OpenDirectory, wouldn`t they?

    But they don`t - because you live in Apple fairytale land.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:38 am
    Mac servers ROFL!! It only cost 3 times as much with half the power boss!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:41 am

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:06 am
    Publisher? Don`t mind if I prefer to code my webpages with something more robust, like Coda. But if you want something easier and better there`s iWeb.
    This single line alone shows me that you have absolutely no idea what you are going on about. A can`t name a single developer who uses Publisher to "code webpages". Try Visual Studio for MS languages and Eclipse/Netbeans for just about everything else. You`re no programmer, sir.

    Ha, then again, maybe you`re a "Dreamweaver developer"... You know the type; guys who can play around in WYSIWIGS and consider that to be programming.

    Also, it`s a network - not an ecosystem. Seriously, ecosytem sounds idiotic - only an Apple fanboy.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:31 am
    Your response only shows you just don`t know what you`re talking about. You`re the one that brought Publisher into the equation, I was just responding to your comment. Of course you could code in the notepad. There`s no reason to do so. iWeb is only the equivalent.

    I`m not even a web developer dumbass, like I said, I used to maintain supercomputer networks at my university to run cosmological computer simulations in parallel. Simulations I wrote myself.

    And e and as many as half my colleagues, still prefer Mac even in the scientific environment. The ones who don`t, overwhelmingly choose Linux, with only a fraction still torturing themselves with windows.

    Got any more smartass windows-loving comments?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Got any more smartass windows-loving comments?
    Sure do; go back and read the conversation. Somehow, you`ve managed to convince yourself that I am arguing that Office is greater than the Apple equivalent.

    My initial argument was that Windows networks were more capable than Apple networks (Spoiler alert: They are). I then had a separate argument (with the same person though) that Microsoft as a whole was in a different class than Apple (Spoiler Alert: It is).

    Seriously, you said that an Apple ecosystem is capable of everything a Windows network is. I`ll be easy for you and list one simple case where this is false:

    Distributed File Systems.

    Explain how to pull that off with an APPLE-ONLY network. The answer is you cannot. Apple MUST hybridize with Windows in order to accomplish this. Windows does not need Apple to do so.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:46 am
    Now, let`s reiterate some of my previous statements:

    I think Mac`s are fantastic for the average home user (though I still prefer Windows by a long shot). However, in network environment`s, they are very restrictive (relative to Windows).
    Ahhh, what a wonderful explanation of the difference between home computing and enterprise networking. I wonder who said that... Oh yea, I did.

    Mac`s are what they are: if you only need a home PC with minimal capabilities, then they are stable, reliable, and elegant. If you needs enterprise level networking capabilities, Windows wins every time.
    ... and another.

    That being said, what about as a collective? Surely it will be easy to pick and choose Microsoft or Apple products and suggest a "better" alternative; but what about the whole?
    There`s the second argument starting...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:49 am
    See, you`re argument devolves into this: "I can name an Apple product that beats a Windows product because it has this feature..."

    My argument is simply this: Apple, by itself, cannot provide the same breadth and quality of services and products that Microsoft can. I`ve now listed numerous services and numerous features that Microsoft has developed, and that Apple has no comparable offering for.

    I`ll offer you the same challenge I offered @lauriloo:

    Present an Apple product that has no Microsoft alternative. I will then present a Microsoft product that has no Apple alternative. Let us continue this to see who really between us is correct.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 8:20 am
    "Looks like HA won that one."

    Only if being the McDonald`s of software is a winning proposition for M$. On the plus side, their stock is very affordable and they are giving away licenses for Windows 8 by accident so the stock may go even lower:

    Free Windows 8!
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 8:22 am
    Any brand of laptop is half the cost of a Mac Book, for the exact same specs. You are paying 100% more for their name alone. As for Microsoft V.S. Apple, they both stole their original ideas from Xerox, and Apple hasn`t stopped stealing ideas since.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 8:45 am
    Only if being the McDonald`s of software is a winning proposition for M$.
    Not really the case though.

    With the emergence of laptops and mobile computing, the single most requested feature that we deal with is Direct Access. Apple still relies on VPN tunnels...

    Closely following is assistance with migrating to the Office 365 suite. Windows Intune is also emerging as a highly-desired service. Let us not forget that Azure is winning some of the market share from Amazon EC2 and that the Microsoft Surface has already, in 1 month`s time, taken a chunk out of the iPad; even Oprah, of all people, stated that it was her favorite device of the year.

    In addition, iPhone continues to lose market share to Android and Windows Phone. iPod is dying as a result of the explosion of smartphones.

    Then there`s Xbox, of course. Next year is slotted to see Xbox 720 released.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 8:45 am
    "Any brand of laptop is half the cost of a Mac Book, for the exact same specs. You are paying 100% more for their name alone. As for Microsoft V.S. Apple, they both stole their original ideas from Xerox, and Apple hasn`t stopped stealing ideas since."

    Sigh. do we really have to argue the same old BS over and over? If you had ever actually used a mac for a decent length of time, you would understand why a cheap bitch like me pays all that extra money. It`s not for the name, it`s for the quality and reliability. If price and calorie consumption were the only criteria, everyone would only eat at McDonald`s.

    The difference with your second comment is: Apple PAID Parc for their initial ideas about the GUI and improved on it. They had a mutually beneficial contract. Microsoft, on the other hand, saw Apple`s GUI and copied it without permission. Big difference. I was actually happy to see the Metro interface with Windows 8 because they were finally not playing catc
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 8:53 am
    It`s not for the name, it`s for the quality and reliability.
    This I actually agree with. One of the big reasons Apple devices cost so much is Apple`s insistence on manufacturing their own devices (versus Microsoft`s 3rd party hardware system). From my experience, Apple devices benefit from excellent QC and high-grade components. Windows suffers at the hands of the 3rd party hardware manufacturers.

    I was actually happy to see the Metro interface with Windows 8
    Don`t get your hopes up - Windows 8 will be the same as Vista or ME. Microsoft has a cycle where they release an OS, let the public test it, fix it, and then rerelease it as a new OS in 3-5 years. The rereleases are always very well designed though.

    ME -> XP
    Vista -> 7
    8 -> 9?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 9:52 am
    The funny thing is, it looks like the Xbox 360 has had the Metro interface for quite a while now. I didn`t mind the change. Don`t know what it`s like to have as a daily workspace but if it allows people to create dynamic tiles with the items they typically use on a daily basis, seems like a good idea. I DO think them taking away the ability to have multiple windows open would definitely be a deal breaker for me because comparing two apps and dragging and dropping between windows and applications are crucial to my workflow I could not function without. I hear they allow a small view of a second window but that wouldn`t help.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 10:07 am
    Xbox 360 has had the Metro interface for quite a while now
    It does; Microsoft`s intention was to create a truely cross-platform interface. Their idea is that a user should be able to interact with the same interface regardless of the device they are operating. I`m torn on the idea.

    create dynamic tiles
    Live tiles is a very cool idea - one of the best they`ve had in awhile. They work excellently on Windows Phone.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 10:10 am
    ability to have multiple windows open
    Windows 8 is... weird. You still have the option to open the desktop and interact with the system the same was as Windows 7 (mostly) but they are trying to push everything through the Metro interface. I have these gripes:

    1. There is not a good distiction made between Apps and Programs;
    2. Programs opening in Metro switch to the Desktop first, and then open;
    3. You should be able to turn Metro off and use your computer as a legacy desktop;
    4. The desktop "loses" the staple start button. Technically, it`s still there because you can start typing and it will search for you, but I don`t like it. You need to hack the registry to force it to show up...

    That all being said, I`ve had the opportunity to test Windows 8 RT on the Surface. Windows 8 works very well with touchscreen interfaces.

    Mouse... not so much.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
    2516 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 10:46 am
    I don`t care about arguing here anymore. For what it`s worth, I like windows 7 and 8
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    I don`t care about arguing here anymore.
    Well that`s lame.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
    2516 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    yeah, sorry about that I got caught up in some urgent work...

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