Just Label It!

Submitted by: chalket 4 years ago

Why is America falling behind on this? Oh yeah... Monsanto and Big Agra, that"s why.
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Male 186
How do we define GM? Because selective breeding is basically GM too. Just much slower. However, we`ve been doing it for thousands of years, so ALL food is basically GM.
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Male 85
""This food is lower quality and more expensive, but it meets the nutritional requirements of hysterical, hypochondriacal, obsessive liberal idiots."

There, how`s that for a label?"

I agree with the sentiment, however fear of GM food expands far beyond stereotypical "liberal" beliefs- even if the people in this particular video are a bunch of hippies.
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Male 14,774
I have a solution: Voluntary labelling of foods "Certified GM Free"
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Male 14,774
That`s how you pronounce Anne Heche?
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Male 15,832
"This food is lower quality and more expensive, but it meets the nutritional requirements of hysterical, hypochondriacal, obsessive liberal idiots."

There, how`s that for a label?
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Male 85
Oh. Sorry didn`t know that. Anyway, farmers are bound to suffer unnecessarily if they use GM crops thanks to its stigma which is both unfounded and unhelpful. Have labels for things which actually matter, like the condition of an alternative medicine`s scientific veracity, or the likelihood of sustaining healthy living by eating particular high cholesterol foods.
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Male 10,845
[quote]farmers are bound to suffer unnece[/quote]

...go on!

(the real cutoff`s around 800 for future reference).
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Male 85
We have used genetically modified food for approximately two thousand years.Just because we happen to have better methods to genetically modify food recently doesn`t make it somehow worse. In fact, the new, stringent policies all but ensure that it is healthy, more productive, tastier and all round better for everyone involved.Be concerned with additives that your child might be allergic to, and the health advice which is almost universally on every label, but not the fact that it is genetically modified.

In response to piperfawn`s comment that GM(GE) food should at least be noted, let me first point out my point above, that we have always GM`d food. Secondly, there`s no reason why you shouldn`t, but no reason why you must; labeling a food Genetically Modified carries an unfounded moniker of evilness and playing God. It sounds intuitively wrong, and while the educated commenters on i-a-b may appreciate the almost inherent harmlessness of GM, farmers are bound to suffer unnece
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Male 10,845
[quote]that no one have see bankruptcy cause of a label[/quote]

A supposed lack of harm from a law does not mean it is good law.
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Male 5,013
Cajun247 We allready have this law in EU and i assure you that no one have see bankruptcy cause of a label.
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Male 10,845
[quote]but as we have see in the comments here not all are against it[/quote]

Argumentum ad populum, just because a particular policy/law is popular does not mean it is good idea.

[quote]Ohh lol first world problem are the most funny[/quote]

It may seem funny but many business decisions are serious gambles especially how you market products. Packaging *is* a form of marketing, Big Agra will be marginally affected by such laws, small producers on the other hand could be scared out of business.
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Male 5,013
Except that it would make placing your brand on the item more difficult."
Ohh lol first world problems are the most funny.
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Male 5,013
"Again what is the big deal with genetically modified food?"
Seems that for you is more important to defend GE food than to inform people. Anyway if we talk about freedom why don`t let every single buyer do his own choice about GE or not,you seems to suggest that the GE label on product can be counter productive but as we have see in the comments here not all are against it. So what is the problem? People that don`t care about it will keep buyng it,people that are against will choose something different...that`s all and is the best way to be loyal to your costumer and to keep clear information.I respect your idea to think that GE is good as you must respect the people that thinks is not,this is the real freedom and can be only achieved via a clear information.
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Male 10,845
[quote]so there should be no legal or moral impediment to increasing those labeling standards[/quote]

Except that it would make placing your brand on the item more difficult.

[quote]A corporation is chartered by the state, in other words the state grants them permission to do business through licensing, dba`s and laws of incorporation[/quote]

So a lemonade stand needs permission from the state now? Sorry that doesn`t give the state or its people carte blanche power to pass new regulations as they please. This boils down to an overbroad interpretation of the right to know.
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Male 10,845
[quote]Anyway here in EU we had the clear label law on food from long time and no one has gone crazy about freedom taken away from the evil government[/quote]

Again what is the big deal with genetically modified food?
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Male 2,711
@TruTenrMan
What you fail to recognize is that corporations are not free citizens. Or at least they weren`t meant to be and didn`t used to be, despite their arguments to the contrary. A corporation is chartered by the state, in other words the state grants them permission to do business through licensing, dba`s and laws of incorporation. The government already mandates the use of nutrition labels, so there should be no legal or moral impediment to increasing those labeling standards to include whether the product is GM or not. That would not infringe on anyone`s rights, in fact (as piper has said) it would INCREASE the public`s right to make an informed decision regarding what to put on their own tables.
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Male 5,013
Anyway here in EU we had the clear label law on food from long time and no one has gone crazy about freedom taken away from the evil government. Industries and people were happy and ready for a new and better form of knowledge. Lol and you create also more jobs,cause you need more label design , more people that control the ingredients of the food and more people in the chain of production and distribution.
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Male 2,675
GAAH! Wht happened to Daryl Hannah?! Someone pass the eye bleach!

I never thought she was that hawt when she "was hawt" but sweet merciful crap ....
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Male 5,013
TruTenrMan but your is also a democracy, the freedom of being informed for the majority of your population is more important than the freedom of hide what you really sell of few stockholders (i.e., citizens).Or you think that the major part of your population are stockholders in food industry.
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Male 2,552
@piperfawn

[quote]the governmet is also established to grant ,with [its] decisions,the freedom you are claiming. In my opinion is better to grant freedom for the people than to grant cover for privates industries.[/quote]
The American government wast no created to grant freedoms. Those freedoms (in our Constitution) were God-given, and it is solely the responsibility for the government to uphold them.

As for the second part of your comment, private industries are run by stockholders (i.e., citizens).

All this crap is about helping lazy people continue to be lazy.
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Male 5,013
Cajun247 Nahh, tonight i am seeking the brilliant mind of the choosen one that can understand me,seems you are not the one.;-)
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Male 1,083
Im ok with them labeling it, except for all the dumb people who will not buy it because it`s genetically modified..
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Male 10,845
[quote]In any case vodka don`t help my english tonight.[/quote]

Then re-write your comments AFTER you sober up.
8-)
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Male 5,013
In any case vodka don`t help my english tonight.
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Male 5,013
Cajun247 Ty for the mtrfker :-).I allready stated lot of time that my english is like a sock weared by a pig that live in the middle of the mud,but i never study it, i am a self learner and you don`t know how many time i am enraged cause i can`t express my self as i would like, but suddenly i calm my self cause i think...if i,english ignorant,can understand what some iaber says,and i am pretty sure that lot of time the english here is not the right one,maybe someone with a brilliant mind will understand what i am sayng.Maybe i am too much optimistic.
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Male 701
god, Chevy Chase looks like an effigy of himself.
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Male 10,845
[quote]leaving the evidences,that are not exposed cause of some"covering" wanted from corporations, how the government is infring the freedom of speech?[/quote]

Either you stop typing with your face or else I`m just going to ignore you.
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Male 5,013
Cajun247 leaving the evidences,that are not exposed cause of some"covering" wanted from corporations, how the government is infring the freedom of speech?
Quite the opposite cause the governemt is just asking to speech more about you and what you sell so the people will have more freedom to choose with knowledge.C`mon guys is just a drating label, and you have the freedom to read it or not.
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Male 10,845
[quote]TruTenrMan the governmet is also established to grant ,with his decisions,the freedom you are claiming[/quote]

No, government by and large denies rights, its proper role is to protect them. I have a right to know whether or not milk is pasteurized, or if it`s chicken rather than pork. Everything else is redundant.
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Male 10,845
[quote]that someone can be confused by more accurate labels?[/quote]

...or they won`t bother reading it.

[quote]If someone is stupid and don`t understand,read or care about he introduce in his body you think that also the people that care about it must go down on the standard of the lower?[/quote]

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Male 5,013
Cajun247 out of theets, you as citizen prefere to have the possibility to be informed on what you buy or you don`t care cause you think that someone can be confused by more accurate labels?
If someone is stupid and don`t understand,read or care about what he introduce in his body you think that also the people that care about it must go down on the standard of the lower?
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Male 10,845
[quote]The GM labs are lobbying for `no mention lable` on grounds that people will choose not to eat `frakenstine` food; stating unfair advantage to traditional farmers[/quote]

This goes back to my original question. Since there`s no conclusive evidence that says GM foods pose a significant threat to public health, then the govt is simply infringing on the right to free speech without showing a compelling interest to do so. This does not say that free speech gives sellers a right to label their oranges as apples (course who in their right mind would want to buy from someone like that), rather this in particular is a redundancy that doesn`t enhance anyone`s well-being.
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Male 5,013
TruTenrMan the governmet is also established to grant ,with his decisions,the freedom you are claiming. In my opinion is better to grant freedom for the people than to grant cover for privates industries.
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Male 10,845
[quote]impose clear labels[/quote]

Nevermind some jurisdictions impose bans transfats. What may seem clear to you, may in fact be convoluted and misleading. What makes a calorie varies by the food. While the current nutrition labels may provide some useful information for Joe Average, trouble is it takes deviations to form an average. Essentially nutritional needs vary by the person which may possibly make the current nutrition labels redundant.
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Male 2,552
They are telling business (owned by citizens) what to do. So, yes, they`re telling us what to do.

The government was established to settle disputes between the states, represent us globally, and to form our armed forces. THAT`S ALL.
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Female 2,549
Traditional Graft GM is not the same as what is coming out of these labs. yes there are grains designed to be pest resistent or fresh produced designed to stay fresh for weeks ( which can help feed the growing population in poor countries) The GM labs are lobbying for `no mention lable` on grounds that people will choose not to eat `frakenstine` food; stating unfair advantage to traditional farmers. It all comes down to profit.
What`s wrong with choice if one has no problem with it one can buy it or even buy GM exclusively.
I do not want to eat GM food. I have a right to know that the chocolate bar i buy has no octopus DNA.
Why is my consumer right less valid then the business(s) right to profit?
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Male 5,013
Oh my god people you going to far with the concept of freedom,no one is telling you what, how and when to eat/do things. Freedom is in knowledge,the more you know the more you are free to choose, is not so difficult to understand. But if you prefere to be zombies and swallow everithyng cause you think that putting labels on food is an insult to the freedom of food corporation to hide you the reality you are free to eat all the poo you want. The government in my opinion have the commitment to impose clear labels at food industries cause the government have to grant the freedom of choose to his people,not the freedom to lie for corporation.
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Male 10,845
Big Agra actually wants regulations so they can stomp out competitors while their small. So yes markets aren`t "100% free", but overregulation can stifle competition and thus commerce just as well.
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Male 308
Yeah, I have the right to know what`s in my food... unless it`s the beef I`m eating, because that`s exempt... oh, and my alcohol, that`s exempt in California`s version of this BS as well... but my CAT FOOD... now that I REALLY deserve to know has genetically modified food... but my orange juice, well, I guess not so much... in fact, can we just get a government organization that will just tell me how to do everything... like how to eat, what to eat, when to sleep... I`d really like that...
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Male 10,845
So what exactly makes genetically modified food so vastly different then "unmodified" food? Genetic engineering`s been around since the dawn of agriculture, sure our methods have become more sophisticated and precise but that`s niether here nor there.

[quote]It`s the government`s job to ensure the health and safety of its citizens, and food labelling is a part of that. People deserve the freedom to be able to make informed choices.[/quote]

Yes and no, individuals first and foremost are responsible for their own health and safety. If someone chose to eat at the Heart Attack Grill for breakfast, lunch, and dinner then they made the choice to trash their own well-being. Other than that, yes every seller should be honest about what their product is.
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Male 2,552
My point is that the federal government shouldn`t be this much into our personal lives. Period.
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Male 14,330
@onoffonoffon

Yes we all have the land to start a farm able to sustain ourselfs...
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Male 373
Who is John Galt?

No-one gives a drat.
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Male 5,013
TruTenrMan but if the rule is for all,no exception, the freedom is not touched cause all will have the same free opportunity to sell their products and the people will be more free to choose with more informations. I don`t see how clearly say what kind of product you sell is a restriction of freedom.
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Male 5,811
And I personally don`t have anything against GE foods, I think the world is better with them. Heck, I`m working on GE wheat right now.
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Male 5,811
I had heard a while back that companies were starting to want to put labels on...after they do things like add vitamins and minerals to the products.

[quote]in a free-market[/quote]
Aaaaand there`s where your argument falls short. Markets aren`t free anyway, so it`s a moot point. Also, the rest of the world doesn`t have to conform to your definitions of freedom. It`s the government`s job to ensure the health and safety of its citizens, and food labelling is a part of that. People deserve the freedom to be able to make informed choices. Your argument of people stopping buying a product without labels in favour of one that does negates the simple fact that there is no alternative that does, besides organic, and that`s a double-edged sword since it already costs way more and lots of people don`t have the budget to pay more for organic merely based on principle.
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Male 2,552
Piper, in a free-market, someone will see the demand, and want to capitalize on it. Someone will fill the void. It happens all the time.
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Male 10,339
I feel exactly the same way trutenrman does.
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Male 23
Don`t knock GE, without GE food most of the population would be dead.

That being said, even if you label it people would still eat it. Look at factory foods for example, people probably don`t care about ingesting Sodium Nitrite or Artificial Food Dyes because they really aren`t familiar with the chemicals.
GE is a term that I guess people can relate to better, and decide its bad because, well why not.

GE food good, factory produced food bad.
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Male 14,330
Turns box over hmmm ingredients yep it`s labeled!
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Male 5,013
TruTenrMan your logic fails. If no one is forced to do so no one will ever start to do it.The first that start to put labels probably will be the first to lose incomes cause people will be scared seeing wht they put inside and will choose the one with no labels.
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Male 14,330
LOL!! Kitteh doesn`t care about your stinking labels or the table burning!
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Male 3,578
drat tarde all most all food is engineered
like bannas for one
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Male 5,013
Wow,i totaly agree with that. And i didn`t know that in your country there are no labels for OGM.
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Male 2,552
You DO have that right. The government does NOT have the right to force all companies to do so. It`s called a free-market; if one company doesn`t disclose that information, STOP BUYING IT, AND BUY A BRAND THAT DOES. Either the other company will see the drop in sales and remedy the problem, or go away all together.

Simple.
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Male 2,711
Link: Just Label It! [Rate Link] - Why is America falling behind on this? Oh yeah... Monsanto and Big Agra, that`s why.
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