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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
    Link: Hamas Vs Israel: Summed Up In One Picture - Pretty much says it all.
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    rubbiten Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 8:58 am
    yeah .... no
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:05 am
    Exactly... and Israel is always the "bad guy".
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:07 am
    And yet, way more civilians in Palestine have been murdered than civilians in Israel.
  5. Profile photo of MrOrange
    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:12 am
    @5cats, you sir, have no idea whats going on in this world do you. first of they don`t put women in front, becuase the isrealis shoot the kids first then they rape the women, thats kind of hard to do when you just emptied your gun now isn`t it?
    Secondly, isreali women are in the friggin army, they be shooting the bitches so the guy`s don`t drat other women then them. get your facts straight will you?
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    sicker Female 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:14 am
    Uh. I hope you`re kidding.
  7. Profile photo of MrOrange
    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:16 am
    Thirdly, you know why isreal called of the ground attack? becuase they starved the palistinians so there would be very few "soldiers" to fight and killing starving civs. don`t look to good in the media when the need international support, when really all they want is to look good for the next election, (how many weeks now before that is held?)
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Thanks for the propaganda 5cats. Now I know exactly what I`m supposed to think and feel.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
    878 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 9:22 am
    "And yet, way more civilians in Palestine have been murdered than civilians in Israel." Wouldn`t that be explained by this graphic?
  10. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:25 am
    "Wouldn`t that be explained by this graphic?"

    This graphic is making it looks like Palestinians are evil and Israelis are defending their family. In reality, Israel is the aggressor with the most power and Palestine has killed very few Israeli citizens, but Israel has killed maaaannnyy Palestinian citizens. Unless you`re trying to imply that Palestine is killing its own citizens and that it`s not Israel`s doing.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:31 am
    Hey 5Rats! We were getting along, I had acquiesced to your whining about warping your name and stopped, then you pull this crap! THIS offensive bullpoo propaganda is why you remain 5RATS, dickwad, and I encourage all others who are offended by this to use that as your name from now on. Enjoy your friggin` ignorance, doofus.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Incredibly simplistic. Gaza is a really tiny area packed with people who have mostly lost their family homes to Israel. That means Israeli strikes are more likely to kill civilians, regardless of whether or not Hamas uses them as "shields."
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Good Job 5Cats, Thanks for the post.

    For those who don`t like this:

    Haters gonna hate, you can stay stupid.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:50 am
    @LillianDulci

    Which is why they launched missles first to break the cease fire right?
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:51 am




    These all seem more in line with reality than yours, 5RATS.


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    7eggert Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:53 am
    1) In Israel, women serve in the army, too.
    2) While hiding among civilians is bad, openly attacking a far superior opponent is stupid, and watching your land and water to be robbed by Jewish settlements will obviously be one of the causes of that constant war.
    3) On both sides, minorities will try to exterminate the others. E.g. Rabbin was killed by one of the extremists. Other people desire power, and if fighting against an opponent helps, they find a reason to provoke them so there is somebody to fight against.
    4) Until there is a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine, there will be war.
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    pompousass7 Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:54 am
    why don`t you guys care this much when the u.s. kills innocent people? because they are not innocent..they are terrorists. well so is hamas
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    j_alegarbes Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
    Can both sides please just shut the f*ck up?
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
    Not this again -_-
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:59 am
    Firstly we have fannylad acting like a paedophile posting pics of near naked children in an out of context/taste manner. Now we have 5catophile pushing biased ill-researched excrement. Time for me to move on I think.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:04 am
    The Palestinians are fighting a hopeless war against a vastly superior occupying force that is oppressing their people..

    I thought you americans were the types of people that defended the defenceless?.. Hasn`t that always been you foreign policy ??
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:10 am
    I thought you americans were the types of people that defended the defenceless?.. Hasn`t that always been you foreign policy ??

    The defenceless launched the missles first and blew up a bus today. Not so defenceless.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:11 am
    Currently I see a truce was announced. I give it a week if that.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:12 am
    Hasn`t that always been you foreign policy ??

    Not really, but the Palestinians aren`t really choir boys either.
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    loleh Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:20 am
    You should do some research, you will look less stupid when you post...
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:24 am
    Right on the money, Cats.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Hamas uses women and alot more than that...
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    Naomie_111 Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:28 am
    @Kain1 "The Palestinians are fighting a hopeless war against a vastly superior occupying force that is oppressing their people"

    The Hamas is doing a great job oppressing their own people all by themselves. When you put "Destroying Isreal" as you main goal, before "Giving food, water and medicine" to your own people - Things are pooty even without a war going on.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:29 am
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:31 am
    I do not know enough of the situation or the subject, therefore I will refrain from making a statement.

    Apart from this one.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:31 am
    I bet myself a Coke Zero, before even looking, that the poster here was 5Cats or AuburnJunky. Ah, the sweet taste of Coke Zero! Yummy!
  32. Profile photo of MrOrange
    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @McGovern1981
    isreal uses women and a lot more then that, like the fact that the U.S needs them as a base to launch operations from in the middle east, like News and their influence over certian US news companies, like money and influential "tribe members" in certain countries and lets not forget that at any point in time someone just mildy might say welll you might see that just a bit wrong.. they will pull the anti semitic card on your and start wailing about family lost in ww2. I lost family in ww2 my parents were directly influenced by ww2 but you don`t see me pulling that card except when i point out when the certian other people do that just to defend myself from bieng called an anti semitic. which is just a ludicrous situation.
  33. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:53 am
    becuase they starved the palistinians so there would be very few "soldiers" to fight
    @MrOrange I had thought, just for a moment, you were a rational person. I clearly see I was WRONG!
    How exactly did "Israel starve all the soldiers" of Hamas? How did they "starve" anyone with the Gaza - Egypt border OPEN?
    You tell ME to educate myself? How very... "European of you".

    becuase the isrealis shoot the kids first then they rape the women,
    Delusional.

    way more civilians in Palestine have been murdered...
    @LillianDulci: #1 is this a "numbers game"? Whoever had the most civilians die, wins?
    #2 Hamas has NO qualms about killing their OWN civilians. Either by accident or on purpose.
    #3 How many rockets, mortars or suicide bombers would YOU tolerate in YOUR hometown? 100? 500? 1000?
    There were 1000+ before November. Read, learn!
  34. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Yep. That about sums it up.
  35. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:02 am
    Thanks for the propaganda 5cats.
    @turdy: Just countering the CRAPOLA @piperfawn`s been posting lately.
    "Palestinina Parkour" = FFS!

    @chalket: Insults are so much easier than, you know, actually explaining what isn`t true in this simple picture...

    Actually I CAN explain mistakes: The Pali woman should be carrying ammunition for the man. The Hamas "fighters" don`t wear uniforms, except for parades and photo-ops.

    @FP: But Hamas DOES use them as shields! They`ve done so for DECADES!
    Hamas openly admits to hiding weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques. The PLO has been doing it for decades!

    Unless you`re trying to imply that Palestine is killing its own citizens...
    No need to "imply" it`s a verifiable fact! Yes many "human shields" die from IDF strikes, but there`s plenty of Pali on Pali killing & bombing too.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:08 am
    "And yet, way more civilians in Palestine have been murdered than civilians in Israel."

    Because Hamas HIDES BEHIND THEM!
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:09 am
    you left the part out where both of them are hiding behind a fictitious god.
  38. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Now we have 5catophile pushing biased ill-researched
    @Nickle2: First off: it`s a political cartoon, not a PHD Thesis Paper. Research? lolz!
    Secondly: I don`t recall you complaining on the MANY propoganda postings @piperfawn put up.
    Third: Insults, easy! Explaining? Do try!

    Thanks to all the supporters & their kind words! :-)

    To all the nay-sayers I have 3 words for you:

    Female - Suicide - Bombers.
    Please explain how that is "proportional" or STFU about it.
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    rockebooster Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:11 am
    As myopic as it is, the picture says a lot about its proponents...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:11 am
    that at any point in time someone just mildy might say welll you might see that just a bit wrong.. they will pull the anti semitic card

    In Palestine if you say something they won`t pull a card they`ll stone you to death and drag your corpse down the street. How`s that for free?
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    Patrolboat Male 18-29
    113 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:16 am
    Hamas fights like cowards. And just because israel has a better military that can defend itself when needed to. They are looked at like bad guys. When Hamas is and has always been the instigator. Israel wants to maintain living and Hamas wants to exterminate them.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:19 am
    This was alleged spy not trail no evidence just alligations....

    There`s your research.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:20 am
    *trial
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:21 am
    5Cats can you do me a favor? When people point at you for some reason, can you please stop to put me on the table as an excuse for what you do?
    And for my parkour post, my only position on the video was "speachless", where did you see me doing propaganda in that video? I think that video have a message of hope as Markus have suggested, that`s all. I don`t want to speculate further on propaganda or not.
    Piperfawn...out.
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Holy sit this is going to be a political dratstorm!

    I see 5Cats, has Crakrjak arrived yet?
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:31 am
    @5catsI "had thought, just for a moment, you were a rational person. I clearly see I was WRONG!"

    Don`t use word you don`t understand, like thought and rational.. the last part of your sentence is the most logical thing you ever said.
    to be sure you don`t misunderstand me: "I clearly see I was WRONG!" that part right there

    As for the folks who claim hamas started it.. did you even get history in school? i`m sorry that`s mean, i keep forgetting that most of your news and education is well.. you know.. biased and it`s unfair of me to say what i said, i`m sorry i`ll go and sit in a corner for awhille. i hope i didn`t hurt any of your feelings i just get upset when i see these kinds of opinions and know that thousand of dead children lie buried underneath them.
  47. Profile photo of MrOrange
    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:35 am
    As i said i`m going to sit in a corner for awhille becuase i really don`t want to lose my faith in humanity. for those of you who gave me some back. thank you.

    i`m now leaving this thread well alone.
  48. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:40 am
    A Nice Roundup Of Gaza Related News

    @MacGovern`s picture? 4 Hamas gunmen stopped a van with 6 Palestinians in it. They accused the men of "being spys" and SHOT THEM on the spot. A crowd of onlookers spat and stomped on the bodies. One body was dragged through the streets amid cheering.
    That`s from THIS week, not something that happened in 2006...
    Pali on Pali violence I was mentioning: it happens a LOT.

    So sorry @piperfawn, but your postings were pure propoganda: nothing more & nothing less.
    At least MY post is a political cartoon! It`s not pretending to be anything other than an OPINION on the situation. NOT "unbiased" since that would entirely defeat it`s purpose, eh?

    Yet the h8ers spew vitriol, not replies.

  49. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:43 am
    "If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons, there would be no more war." - Benjamin Netanyahu
  50. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:47 am
    and know that thousand of dead children lie buried underneath them.
    Emotional ploy from a European? Who`d have guessed THAT! (sarcasm)

    Wait, you mean the Jewish children who died? How about the SYRIAN children who are dieing RIGHT NOW at the hands of their own Muslim Government?

    Please have a time-out to actually THINK.
  51. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:52 am
    `Hamas fights like cowards.`

    Sure, that`s true. But Israel has a better-equipped military, with incredible air superiority. How is it less cowardly for them to launch strikes without any chance of being shot down? War these days is often fought in a cowardly fashion, if you view it in comparison with the way wars used to be fought.

    By the way, the American revolution is basically what ended the old style of a "gentleman`s war." Couldn`t a drone strike be thought of as "cowardly"? It`s a guy in a room in Nevada, with a cup of coffee, who goes home to his wife and kids at night.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    i`m now leaving this thread well alone.

    I bet he`s got alot in common with Cartman. When the going gets tough take your ball and go home!
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    rickwhite Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    I`m not commenting on the picture... Israelis, Palestinians, etc..

    BUT...

    ANY culture that drags a body through the streets, beheads, stones, honour kills, executes because a female seeks education, uses children for terror/war, lynches, tortures, etc. etc. is a culture of savages. Period.

    Disgusting, filthy, savages.

    I`m sick n tired of "political correctness" trumping savagery.

    If you MURDER another human being because of an archaic belief, you are a savage. Period.

    And that`s exactly what this is: murder.

    I don`t give a crap what race/religion you are... you are a monster and a disgrace to humanity.

    And if your religion says it`s okay to kill someone... you need to get a new religion, because your god is fu-ked.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
    878 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    There isn`t any right here. So, kill each other or stop. But, don`t try to get me to believe that one side is justified and the other is wrong, because it will not happen.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4855 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    Israeli women are in the military because there are so few Israelis compared to the number of people trying to kill them. They maintain military superiority because they must in order to survive. They tolerate daily rocket bombardment aimed at clearly civilian targets. When they finally fight back they`re condemned by a world that still, clearly, dislike Jews.
    FoolsPrussia: It`s less cowardly because it`s self defence against rockets fired from a remote location against which there is no other defence.

    Benjamin Netanyahu said: If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel.

    @5Cats: Thank you!

    @MrOrange: Try not to sound too much like a Nazi sympathizer.
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    Maybe if that Israeli soldier just bulldozed that woman`s house.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    That`s how all the hadji`s "fight." They use women & children as human shields so when they`re injured or killed that`s all the rest of the world hears. They don`t give a sh*t about who dies and know that the rest of the world goes nucking futs when they hear women & children were KIA. You can blame the media for that, you always hear, "Women and children were killed during the attack." You never hear, "The women and children killed in the attacks were being used as human shields."
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    @Whodat:

    That`s a prisoner, being offered water. It doesn`t change through all three perspectives. He`s gonna be under guard no matter what.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    @ chalket,
    So, you`re suggesting that Israel not defend itself against ongoing rocket attacks because not enough of it`s people are being killed yet? If that`s actually what you`re saying then, clearly, you`re an idiot.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    @rickwhite,
    Thank you. The sensibility in your comment was absolutely refreshing!
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4855 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    @ chalket,
    So, you`re suggesting that Israel not defend itself against ongoing rocket attacks because not enough of it`s people are being killed yet? If that`s actually what you`re saying then, clearly, you`re an idiot.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    Ooops, hit the wrong button an accidently deleted the pic. But yeah, this is how the media can skew your point of view with a picture.



    @AJ - I know that, I`ve stood watch by several prisoners in terrorist ties waiting for them to be picked up.
  63. Profile photo of whodat6484
    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    @AJ - What the point of this picture is that if only the left half is shown (leaving out the canteen), it looks like they`re about to execute the guy. If only the right half is shown (leaving out the rifle), looks like a Marine or soldier is just being nice to the guy giving him some water.
  64. Profile photo of Patrolboat
    Patrolboat Male 18-29
    113 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    "Sure, that`s true. But Israel has a better-equipped military, with incredible air superiority. How is it less cowardly for them to launch strikes without any chance of being shot down? War these days is often fought in a cowardly fashion, if you view it in comparison with the way wars used to be fought."

    Israel doesnt arm their children or use them as human shields. Or sacrifice its own people to kill others. Hamas brain washes its people into committing suicide solely for the fact that they will kill people who dont believe what they do. Just because israel is more advanced in every single way doesn`t mean they should be scrutinized for it. I have a fraction of the land, resources and population. That all these other nations have yet they further ahead in every aspect.

    All they do is defend themselves, they don`t fight just for their freedom, they fight for their right to live.
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    Patrolboat Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    *They* have
  66. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    When Israel finally loses a war in the Middle East, it`s just going to be game over for them. They`ll get slaughtered, and no-one in the West is going to give a damn, because we`re fed up with the Israelis carrying out illegal blockades, engaging in piracy in international waters, and killing citizens of neutral countries in the process. Hell, they`ve even bombed a US Navy ship (look up the USS Liberty some time if you`ve not heard the story).

    They get away with it for now for one reason and one reason only: they have nuclear weapons. As soon as Iran gets some too (which will be soon) that won`t be as important an issue, and they can kiss goodbye to the protection they`ve enjoyed for the past 60 years. They`re nothing but a terrorist state, and no-one will be that sad to see them go.
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    @auburnjunky, "If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons, there would be no more Palestinians." - corrected for truth

    @burbclaver, couldn`t agree more
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    I agree Israel hasn`t always been saints (no country has), but I don`t think they compare to the horrors Hamas has created. I hope Israel takes care of business.

    @FoolsPrussia: the American revolution is basically what ended the old style of a "gentleman`s war."

    Not so, our Civil War was considered a "gentleman`s war." I believe you mean in 1915 when German U-boats would pull along side merchant ship ships carring weapons and ask everyone to evacuate before they sunk the ship. The British begain building Q-boats, armed ships that looked like merchant ships, to ambush a U-boat that had just surfaced. This led to the Germans declaring that any boat would be sunk without notification if they entered certain waters, this led to the sinking of Lusitania.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Wrong Kingdomcome.

    They have yet to attack someone who is not attacking them.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    what a lot of f ucking bulls hit.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    @MacGuffin

    That was during the 6 day war and it was mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Do you belive friendly fire isn`t possible? What would`ve Israel stood to gain?
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    @MacGuffin,
    Try to remember that citizens of neutral countries aren`t necessarily neutral citizens. Israel`s blockades are attempts to halt the illegal importation of weapons that will be used against them. I don`t condone their attempt to halt other types of aid though I understand their logic: whatever keeps their enemy healthy allows their enemy to continue attacks. Don`t say they get away with it because they have nuclear weapons...that`s just ignorant. When they get away with it it`s because nations that have been to war know that warfare is an extreme circumstance that often requires extreme responses for survival. Even so, many governments that say nothing about the daily rain of Hamas` rockets on Israel are quick to condemn Israel for any armed response. Israel doesn`t want war. War is being imposed on Israel.

    @kingdomCome,
    I`m pretty sure your correction is wrong considering that Israel put up with a lot of attacks before going into Palestine.
  73. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    What`s this crap about "gentleman`s war"?

    There has never been any such thing. Even during the age of chivalry, there was no such thing.

    There were isolated incidents, such as the famous Christmas truce in WW1. There were (and are) some attempts to make some aspects of war less uncivilised. There were (and are) bucketloads of spin (we are civilised, they are psycho savages). But there has never been a gentleman`s war.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm
    When Israel finally loses a war in the Middle East, it`s just going to be game over for them. They`ll get slaughtered, and no-one in the West is going to give a damn

    I`m not sure whether you annoy me more than you amuse me, or vice versa.

    Your demand that a billion or so people think only what you allow them to think is a perfect match for the ideology you`re promoting. However, you have a problem. You won`t be in charge of it. You`re a woman, so you won`t count for poo in your preferred world.

    You`re not being very sensible, are you? You`re not shooting yourself in the foot - you`re shooting yourself in the head. Metaphorically, of course. Someone else would literally shoot you in the head in your preferred world, sooner or later. Or maybe they`d torture you to death instead - they do that too.
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    Qystein Male 18-29
    159 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    Do some research before you barf out blindsided propaganda like this! This is disappointingly low imb...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    @richanddead: Exactly! The Brits ALWAYS overlook the illegality of the "Q-Ships" and other facts that make them look bad.

    Keeping one`s own soldiers from behaving like rabid dogs is always difficult, Europe has nothing in it`s history that even vaguely resembles a "gentleman`s war". FFS!

    @MacGuffin: How SHORT your memory is! The PLO? Skyjacking? Remember all that? Plenty of neutrals died, they didn`t care one bit! They call it INTERNATIONAL terrorism for a reason, eh?

    @Angilion: So true! And don`t forget: It`s perfectly moral to gang rape a heathen! Putting a Muslim baby in her belly is the kindest thing you can do for her, so says Allah!

    It`s just amazing: Those who object the loudest to "Crazy Christians" are the VERY SAME people who give Palestinians BLANKET support! Oh hypocrites! Repent your stupid ways!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    @Qystein: Research? WTF are you "on about"?

    Why are SO MANY (aside from @Angilion) Europeans supporting terrorism? Not rhetorical, I simply cannot wrap my mind around it.

    Once Israel goes? YOU are next Europe!
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    @Angilion- A "gentalmen`s war" does not imply a attitude of pacifism. Rather it is a style of military engagement, placement, and formation intended to more effective use their tactics and to attempt limit the casualties to only military members.

    Even in Gentalmen`s Wars civilians did occasionally get hurt or killed. But in these wars soldiers often stood in lines, fired together, and usually did not fight at night. Civilians would picnic next to the battlefield to see the show. And when not in battle individual soldiers from opposite armies might even trade or hangout as in the American civil war.

    You may disagree with what the verbiage implies, but gentlemen`s wars did occur and they effected military procedure for nearly two hundred years.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    With 150 people dying daily in Syria, I still have yet to see why this is such a big fracking deal. Palestinians have way more rights than Syrians do. And more Syrians have died in the past year (35,000+) than Palestinians in the ENTIRE conflict from 1948 until NOW (wikipedia says 15,000).

    Seriously, I feel like I`m taking crazy pills here. More people died in the Libyan war than this entire Palestinian conflict.
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    Qystein Male 18-29
    159 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    @5Cats I study history, main subjects ww2 and terrorism world wide. Israel have done everything that breeds future terrorist actions, and have used human shields more often than Palestinians.
    Thats what I mean with do some research. Reading more than what FOX news feeds you. Read from several sources and you may start to get a wider picture of whats happening in the world. Get out of your little box, and experience the world.
    I stayed 1 month in Israel and Palestine in 2010, and I talked to people on both sides of the border.
    Teachers in Israel barely makes minimum wage, in Palestine its a top tier profession. Several Israeli teens claimed that palestinians are not even people, and that its never going to be peace. And most Palestinian teens wants to go to school, get an education and in time build a 1-state solution.

    Terrorism have "never" been defeated by brute force. Look at the IRA, they stopped bombing and fighting first when they were allowe
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    Qystein Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Terrorism have "never" been defeated by brute force. Look at the IRA, they stopped bombing and fighting first when they were allowed to join in and make their own political party. Making them responsible for their actions, and being able to complain when treated inhumanly.
    Go read up on the modern story of Israel. And not only from US and Israeli sources, widen your perspective and you may learn something!
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    @broizfam / Aurburnjunky
    of course not, just appropriate the land and attack anyone who disagrees, that way it`s an internal issue, just enforcing the law, honest.
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    Johanvb Male 40-49
    510 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm
    Wow, Israël even goes so low as to using `cartoons` to depict themselves as `protectors of women and children`.
    So sad.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    Honestly, I have a tough time seeing how one can support Hamas, unless they just out for vengeance against Israel. If the Israel exists, they will tolerate the Palestinians. If Hamas wins they will butcher the Jews. That is not a pathway to peace it is a pathway to hate.

    Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation

    "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:15 pm

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    @Qystein: Tamal Tigers Heard of them? Eradicated through sheer military brute force. Even Wiki agrees! And for certain, it was BRUTAL for both the fighters and civilians caught in the crossfire.
    All I need is one to prove you wrong, there it is!

    Amazingly, Israel is the ONE nation on Earth that won`t stomp these animals to death! They`re far too aware of genocide and it`s horrors.
    >Would China tolerate this? Russia? USA? Nope! Even France would smack them around, and HARD.

    "And not only from US and Israeli sources..." In other words: Islamic Propoganda. No thanks, I get enough of that from the MSM...

    MEANWHILE: 35,000 DEAD in Syria and climbing, what is the Arab World doing about that? ZERO! Obama? Double ZERO!
    As @Andrew155 pointed out. Thx!

    WHERE is your PROPORTIONALITY now Euro-weinies?

    @Johan
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    @Andrew155

    That`s going to get real bad we`ll see :-|
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm
    @Johanvb: Oh STFU! FFS! Grow up!
    Really, you`re all pissy over a political cartoon?
    But 35,000 DEAD in Syria don`t merit an iota of Euro-Weinie Outrage, eh?

    I mentioned when I submitted this that it would "generate some controversy" but I NEVER imagined the Euro-Nazis would come storming out to comdem it...
    This is not "Europe`s Finest Hour"...
    (Not ALL Europeans of course! DUH! You know who`s who...)
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    Here`s what your Hamas thinks of the Jews

    Human Bacteria
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    Nomud Male 18-29
    102 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    Except Isreal has army bitches as well. Not all of them cower with babies.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    One thing that doesn`t quite come through in the picture: the Palestinian is shooting at the baby.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    1.9 rating. You keep going 5Cats, you keep convincing yourself that everybody loves your posts. They`re incredibly entertaining, fair and balanced, and not partisan at all.

    *sigh*

    Is this kind of one-sided propaganda what we can expect from you now that your non-candidate lost your non-election in your non-country? Is this your new thing?

    Still bored, still predictable, still lame and utter crap.

    p.s. Godwin`s Law.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    2.0! lol
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    LOL pretty good picture. I like the one the other day where the Jewish guy is getting attacked, and the world turns on him when he stands up to protect himself.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:07 pm
    2.1 now, cram it @davymid :-P

    "...that everybody loves your posts."
    #1 Look at my post list: It`s TERRIFIC! A fine balance of all the things that make IAB a wonderful place to be.
    #2 I do not GIVE A DRAT if you "love my posts"! If I think it`s "not-boring" I offer it. If @FancyLad or @The_Mods agree? THAT MAKES TWO! You`re a Mod, I cannot believe I`m explaining "IAB 101" to you...

    "They`re incredibly entertaining..."
    Yes they are! Thanks oh so much!

    "fair and balanced"
    Wait, what? Let me check the "IAB Rulebook"... NOPE! Not a requirement! WTF are you talking about?

    "and not partisan at all."
    I`ve NEVER EVER claimed that I am "not partisan". You`ve confused me with lib-tard WHINERS like @HG, @FP, @piperfawn and MOST ESPECIALLY @madest who make the OUTRAGEOUS claim of "non-bias".

    FOR dratS SAKE! LOOK at @piperfawns` last 3
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:20 pm
    (stupid counter)
    @piperfawns last 3 posts were PURE pro-terrorist propoganda, PERIOD. I don`t recall you complaining about them... nope! Silence!
    Yet you feel free to pound on me.

    I`ve even defended @piperfawn`s posts! I said if he offers it, and those in charge OK it? I`m FINE with that! I said exactly that!

    But you? Nooooo, you gotta come piss all over MY offering? ONLY one side draws your ire. Um, why?

    Please explain:
    #1 ANY factual error in this cartoon.
    #2 WHY should a Political Cartoon be "unbiased"? Are you daft? IT`S AN OPINION PIECE! Bias is what it`s MADE OF!
    #3 YOUR silence at the pro-Hamas, Anti-Israel posts. What`s up with that @davymid?

    This isn`t the first time you`ve come out to support terrorists and denigrate those who strive for peace... If "Goodwin`s Law" fits?

    Finally: LOOK at the replies here: Which side is name calling and spewing hate?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    Are @FancyLad`s many Jesus-bashing posts "fair and balanced"? "Un biased"? "Not partisan"?

    Give me strength!

    You have ONE rule for "the left" and another for "anyone who disagrees with ME (@davymid I mean)" What`s the common name for that?

    You don`t like Jews. I get that, apparently it`s quite common for Europeans!

    But to support terrorism, terrorists and those who call for genocide? Unforgivable.

    If the TRUTH behind a CARTOON bothers you SO MUCH? Perhaps you need to have a good, long THINK about the subject.

    (Many, many nasty things were self-edited out).

    Hey, you want to call me out for a cartoon? I`m game! But to let @piperfawn`s 3 posts slide? I`m not so happy about that aspect of it.
    Pure, pro-terrorist propoganda, period.

    "Israel Violated The Permanent Truce!" Words fail me...

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm
    Palestinians Are Just Fun Loving Children!
    Who are being murderd by evil Jews!

    Ahmed Jabrari Was A Peace Negotiator!
    Who was murdered by evil Jews! In violation of the "permanent truce"!

    I could have sworn there were 3...

    Anyhow, this cartoon PALES in comparison to the outright lies posted in these two offerings. Going into details (again) would be redundant.

    He lets "permanent truce" slide... but complains about a cartoon... without saying WHY the cartoon is "in error"...
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 12:19 am
    i like how we think that we can simplify the war between the israelites and the palastinians. Seriously it is a great example of how arrogant we are. And based on wether we like one group over the other, so will our simplification favor one group ofer the other.. This is polarisation in teh extreem.

    Ask yourself this though.. What do we do when to kids, or fullgrowns for that matter, fight? do we let them fight regardless or do we try to break them up?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 1:17 am
    This is laughable, Israel`s propagandists must be getting desperate. Hmmm Israel murdered close to 100 women and children to Palestinians zero, lets make a cartoon that says they WANT their women and children to die, not that we`ve bombed civilian populated areas.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 4:52 am
    I don`t see what peoples issue with this is. They both fire what is going to happen. The Hamas side is going to have a civilian casualty before the militant is killed. The Israeli side is going to absorb it with the flak jacket. What happens in the real world, Israel get`s Hamas militants with inevitable civilian casualties. And Israel uses technology to limit the destruction that`s caused by Hamas militants.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14625 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 5:15 am
    "But to support terrorism, terrorists and those who call for genocide? Unforgivable."

    e.g. Gilad Sharon ?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 6:24 am
    `She is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe.`
    -Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004


    Ummmmmmm, they do want women and children to die.
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    Saunder Male 30-39
    181 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 6:40 am
    :D That`s a hilarious picture! Sure, just compare Hamas (a terrorist organization acting independent of most Palestinians and WITHOUT their consent) to a modern, US-backed Israeli army with support of most of its `citizens`.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    November 22, 2012 at 10:20 am
    Awful picture. It isn`t enough that the artist had to make Hamas more violent and heartless, but he also had to make the women fatter and uglier and the baby unloved and grotesque? It`s almost like he`s saying their civilians deserve to be killed.

    Nobody is innocent when it comes to war. Support neither of these groups until they decide to stop killing each other.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 22, 2012 at 10:45 am
    @Modwain: So when are you Europeans going to "break it up" in Syria? 35,000 DEAD vastly outnumbers ALL the Palestinians killed since `48.

    @paperduck: Don`t let facts confuse your thinking! Just ignore the 1,000+ rockets fired before November, you can do it!

    @Bakcagain21: Phew! Another European who`s capable of "getting it"! I hope you`ll stick around, eh? Don`t let the h8ers silence you!

    Draculya: You mean
    Ariel Sharon? the PM of Israel who conducted exactly ZERO genocides? IN FACT he is the one who brought about Israel`s Withdrawl From Gaza which GAVE Palestine their homeland!
    Perhaps you mean
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 22, 2012 at 10:52 am
    Perhaps you mean Gilad Shalit who was kidnapped and held by Hamas for 5 YEARS?

    @Saunder: "...acting independent of most Palestinians and WITHOUT their consent..."
    Um? They`re the RULING PARTY? Hamas IS the Government. I guess Europeans aren`t "up to date" on little details like WHO is actually IN POWER...

    @obhwfgirl: Um, literally ALL adult women in Palestine look pretty much like that. Complaining about it is like complaining the artist drew Chinese people with "slanty eyes", it`s just how they look!
    And it`s true, whe should actually be helping the terrorist by carrying ammunition, filming herself in harms way or acting as "a spotter" for him...
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    November 22, 2012 at 11:30 am
    @5Cats: I believe he was referring to Gilad Sharon, son of Ariel Sharon. He did state that Gaza neighborhoods should be flattened.

    However on the same token maybe look up Mosab Hassan Yousef and get a glimpse of what it was like to grow up Hamas.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    That`s true, in 2005 the Israeli Government activated it`s "Unilateral Disengagement Plan." It forcibly relocated thousands of Israeli`s from 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip to only four settlements in the northern West Bank.

    It was completely against Israels interests, it closed multiple I.D.F. installations and sparked the largest expression of public protest ever held in Israel. Ariel Sharon, the main proponent of the withdraw, nearly lost his election over it and was slammed from people like Ayoob Kara who said Hamas would take over the Gaza Strip and use it as a base from which to attack Israel.

    But it was pushed forward, even without a majority support in Israel, for the hope peace with the Palestinians.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Following the withdrawal, " Four synagogues were vandalized, looted, and torched. Palestinians also looted objects from destroyed homes. Hamas leaders held celebratory prayers in Kfar Darom synagogue as mobs continued to ransack and loot synagogues. Palestinian Authorities did not intervene. Less than 24 hours after the withdrawal, Palestinian Authority bulldozers began to demolish the remaining synagogues. The settlements` greenhouses, which were left intact by Israel, were also looted by Palestinian mobs. In some places, there was no security, while some police officers joined the looters.

    Most of the former Israeli settlers were housed in hotels and guesthouses for the first few months, being threatened with further eviction numerous times. People were still homeless more than eight months after losing their homes.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    This was all done for PEACE!

    Yet with in only a year, tens of thousands of Palestinians were fleeing the Gaza Strip. 12% of all industry in the area moved to Egypt and Jordan and 70% of families in the Gaza Strip fell into poverty. And the power vacuum created fighting between Hamas and Fatah that developed into a near civil-war.

    Missiles were already being shot into Israel and a Israeli soldier was kidnapped and ransomed by Hamas.


    This was the peace it created. Lessons of history.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    "@5Cats: I believe he was referring to Gilad Sharon, son of Ariel Sharon."

    Oh right! Thanks @djwajda! It was linked before. Ariel Sharon`s son is SO IMPORTANT he doesn`t even rate a Wiki page! lolz!

    Not in politics, not influential, he`s far from a "policy maker" in Israel AND in context what he said isn`t even that bad! Certianly NOTHING like Hamas`s constitution! Or what their top leaders say every single day...
    "proportional" isn`t that something Euro-peans are all hung up about? Only for one side, apparently.

    Mosab Hassan Yousef Amazing! His life sounds like a James Bond movie! Thanks again @djwajda.

    Well said @richanddead! Hamas could get the world on a silver plate, and still demand more! They actually COMPLAINED that the Synagogues weren`t destroyed for them...
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    5cats that`s what happens when you steal other people`s land. sorry.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 22, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    This isn`t the first time you`ve come out to support terrorists
    Wee Baby Jesus in the Manger. F*ck me. Please link to examples of me supporting terrorism, I`d love to read it.

    Look, I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland. People killing each other over slightly different flavours of Christianity. Saw it every day. Bombs, RPGs, mortars, machine-guns, you name it. You didn`t have that in Winnipeg, or wherever. Thing is, it`s complex. There`s two sides to the story. But you can only see one side, and propagandise that bullsh*t, when it`s in fact a very complex issue. If you had been born as I was in Northern Ireland, you`d be 100% behind either Gerry Adams and his IRA or behind Ian Paisley and his Loyalist Paramilitaries; either way is wrong.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 22, 2012 at 11:01 pm
    In other words, long story short, you don`t know what the f*ck you`re talking about.

    5Cats, it pains me to do this, but I`m putting you in the same bucket as Crackrjak, which is people that I think are dicks. Population has just increased from 1 to 2.

    Sorry bud. You stretched too far with the You don`t like Jews. I get that.
    Couldn`t give less of a f*ck whether they`re Jews, Muslims, atheists or anything in between. Dicks are dicks.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 23, 2012 at 8:28 am
    @paperduck: Every square foot of land ON THE PLANET (Except possibly Antartica) has changed hands through bloodshed. EVERY one. Where you live? Taken from someone else, who took it from a 3rd party, who stole it from... etc, ad infinitum.

    @davymid: Perhaps it is your thinking that is clouded? Stockholm Syndrome will do that to you, eh? You`re correct, I cannot imagine that happening during my childhood, Life During Wartime, eh?
    I`m quite aware of Israel`s transgressions, crimes and violations in the past 70 years (going back to British Occupation. THAT was real occupation! And Ottoman before that! See? History!) carried out by radicals and the State too.
    BUT: Looking objectively since 1973? Lady Justice`s scales are tipping so far one way it`s unspeakable. The PLO made their name killing civialians of ANY country, forget that part?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 23, 2012 at 8:48 am
    At least you took the time to reply, even if you didn`t answer...

    I honestly never dreamed so many "Euro-Peans" would come out of the woodwork over such a mild cartoon! (Avoiding Godwin`s Law, eh? ;-) it`s `code`...) Have any of them even GLANCED at the vile hatred perpetrated by Pro-Palestinian "cartoonists"? It`s an ORDER of MAGNITUDE worse! Several examples given here already.

    On the one hand calling for "proportionality"...
    The other hand covers up FOR one side...

    It`s a political comment, an opinion piece, it`s SUPPOSED to be one sided! Otherwise it would be luke-warm puke-tasting crapola. DUH!

    But don`t think about that, it`s so much easier to ignore questions, call names and declare victory...

    2.2 now. Really, is IAB a "popularity contest" now? Must be in the rulebook next to "fair and balanced content ONLY"...
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    November 23, 2012 at 9:20 am
    @5cats.

    I dont see Europe doing anythign in isreal or in syria to be honest. the down side of Europe is that we are always in a way locked between the usa and Rusia.. and if we look at both syria or isreal, both russia and teh usa dont give a crap about either. For Europe to take a stance that is highly different then either of those two is unfortunatly higly unlikely.

    i am curious though.. syria`s unrest is encrouching on Turkey, a NATO member.. And the last time a humanitarian mission was sent to Gaza the israeli soldiers killed, amongst other, turkish civilians, claiming they were armed (proof suggest they werent but well, there is that).

    Thing is, the worlds supper powers (usa, russia and china) wont get involved, for what ever reason, so no one will stick their neck out..

    Fair enough, but lets not claim one side is better or worse then the other, cause, in all fairness, it is not true
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 9:35 am
    5cats you don`t get it do you? Yeah every piece of land has exchanged hands, That is different from stealing homes, actual homes people are living in. Bulldozing them and pretending no one was there. Then take the the survivors and put them in a large open prison, control all the resources, drat with them constantly and bomb them occasionally.

    Then blame them, what the hell did you think might happen, they will never retaliate?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    "Turkish humanitarian mission..."

    @Modwain are you talking about the Gaza Flotilla Raid? FFS they were totally "armed"! Have you seen the video of them cutting the railings to make iron bars, and using those bars to attack the IDF? As well as knives and shotguns.
    I hope you`re talking about something else...

    @paperduck: No, I don`t mean "lawful exchange" I mean BLOOD DEATH KILLING! In North America the natives were doing it for 1,000s of years before the Spanish showed up (just for example).

    NO Palestinian will sell his land to a Jew, period! He faces death if he does so! Also you cannot sell to someone who then sells to a Jew, same result. Hamas are savages, period. Fatah are savages with cheap suits...

    Im NOT claiming the "average Palestinian" is a savage, in before the shouting...
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    @Modwain: I dont see Europe doing anythign in isreal or in syria to be honest.

    Really? Well, Nato has been placing Patriot missiles near Turkey`s border with Syria. They made a new Arab council that is supposed to work this time.

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) has accused France of trying to "have it both ways" by calling for UN action in Syria while at the same time concluding profitable trade agreements with a Russian arms company allegedly exporting military equipment to the Syrian regime.

    There are also reports that British, French and German weapons stored in the NATO base in Benghazi, Libya, were being ferried to Adana, Turkey until violence forced the base to be closed. One of the reasons Sir Dominic Asquith had to meet with Stevens. Asquith was attacked during his visit, and the British embassy was closed.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    Have you seen the video of them cutting the railings to make iron bars,

    I`d hardly call that armed. I also don`t recall any firearms, except for the IDF.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    I see the zionist propaganda machine is fully up and running today.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Actually Europe has always been involved. There wasn`t an anti-zionist feeling in Palisine until the end of the anglo-egyptian war. The British wanted control of the Suez canal and Palistine was seen as a buffer against the Ottoman Empire.

    At this time in Palistine the Moslem religious leaders, even the Mufti, were openly friendly with the Jews. Seeing them as a path to modernaztion and a buffer against becoming a puppet state.

    In May 1918, Dr. Chaim Weizmann and Hussein of the Hejaz met in Cairo where the latter spoke of mutual cooperation between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. In early l9l9 a Treaty of Friendship was signed to provide for "the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab state and the coming Jewish Commonwealth of Palestine. On March 3, l9l9, another Arab leader, Feisal, son of Sherif, wrote: "We wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 4:33 pm
    Briton saw this as a way to erode their influence. They began crafting anti-Jewish policy and propaganda and even forbid Jews from moving there because "economic capacity of the land could not support more than a million people." Yet if you paid the British Government 500 pounds per person they would let you in but they had to pay 75% of all your money in taxes to the British occupiers.

    Briton didn`t really warm up to the Jews until the end of WW2 when they found that thousands of educated Russian Jews were moving to America and they were missing out on it. But by this time Islamic hate already formed due to the British constenly claiming that due to the limitations of the land every Jewish settler was forcing the Arab fellahin (native peasants) from their land.

    On June 6, 1946, President Truman urged the British government to relieve the suffering of the Jews confined to displaced persons camps in Europe by immediately accepting 100,000 Jewish immigrants.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    In August 1946, however, the British began to intern those Jewish Refugees they caught in camps in Cyprus. Approximately 50,000 people were detained in the camps, 28,000 of whom were still imprisoned when Israel declared independence.

    Britain`s Foreign Minister, Ernest Bevin, replied sarcastically that the United States wanted displaced Jews to immigrate to Palestine "because they did not want too many of them in New York."
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    @cajun: They had them @Cajun, pistols and shotguns which the IDF did not carry were on the ship.
    10 soldiers wearing body armour were injured!
    A 3` iron bar isn`t a "weapon" ONE blow would kill you, or at least break your bones. A couple of dozen people beating you with them and I think you`d change your mind.

    The main point is: they CUT them on purpose to BE armed!

    "Gaza Flotilla Raid" or variations brings up tons of video, pro and con, but even the Pro-Hamas video shows clear violence with weapons.
    It wasn`t "a sneak attack" the IDF announced they were comming, in noisey helepopters! Hamas swarmed the decks and attacked, no two ways about it!
    ONLY that ship had violence, the other 7 were peacefully searched and sent on their way...
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 7:52 am
    5cats, i see you agree, "armed" is the rigth way of saying it..

    same point stays though. this is a mess, both sides have blood on their hands, both sides have innocent cassualties. both sides are using as much propaganda as they can to influence the people that can have voices outside of their little fight.. And worse of all, they allready have and answwer for those that do and do not agree with what their propaganda wants you to think.

    Again, this isnt something small ,this isnt something simple..

    A teacher i had about 25 years ago said the following.. Build a big dome over the area, no one in, no one out.. Its terrible what happens there and it is terrible how it effects a world that doesnt step in to clear the air. So a dome may be the best idea"
    i didnt agree with him then, but i am slowly starting to understand him, he was right it seems.
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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    November 24, 2012 at 7:55 am
    @richanddead. nope, they are contemplating dutch patriots there because turkey asked for it, not cause syria is such a mess.

    i wish they could help out, but putting a defence in an adjoining country isnt the same as stopping the fighting in syria
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 11:15 am
    pistols and shotguns which the IDF did not carry were on the ship

    Considering the IDF has submachine guns and assault rifles I find it odd to believe they wanted to antagonize the Israelis into reacting. If they Kalashnikov`s maybe but what the IDF found is small fry. On top of which there is nothing morally wrong with arming oneself even if one is traversing through an otherwise peaceful region on Earth.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 24, 2012 at 11:48 am
    there is nothing morally wrong with arming oneself...
    @Cajun: They were a "peace flotilla" supposedly carrying nothing illegal.
    Of course they wanted a confrontation! They lined the decks to fight, it wasn`t 1 or 2 "exremists" it was a whole boatload of them! Literally! These people SEEK martyrdom.
    They locked all the Westerners below deck of course, can`t have the propoganda bait killed...

    @Modwain: Armed is armed. The problem wasn`t the weapons, it was that they attacked IDF soldiers with them. Peace Flotilla, my eye!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 11:56 am
    They lined the decks to fight

    Most criminals don`t want to fight, but for some if their hand is pushed they`ll pull out their guns even if it means their demise.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    @Modwain: nope, they are contemplating dutch patriots there because turkey asked for it, not cause syria is such a mess.

    True they still contemplating it, but it`s for defense against Syria because Syria is a mess, they maybe also want a cool fireworks show if they have some left over, but I doubt it.

    To answer your earlier question:

    Thing is, the worlds supper powers (usa, russia and china) wont get involved, for what ever reason, so no one will stick their neck out..

    A. Everybody is in a financial crisis.
    B. The US, Russia, and China support the opposite sides and opposite interests. Basically another proxi war, but what do you think would happen if US forces began battling Russian or Chinese forces. I doubt it would ease any tensions instead i think it would likely just create a more destructive war and probably cause another arms race. I`m really not saying it`s a good thing, only that it`s better than the alternatives.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Remember Russia has wanted both eastern and western ports for nearly 200 hundred years. This one reason why America has so much trade and money. This is why Russia has long been interested in Istanbul, but Lattakia and Tartous in Syria could prove just as beneficial. But Syria would need a stable, pro-Russian government. This is why Russia sides with Assad despite his loss of control, because if he is put back in power, the Russian believe they will be able control him for their interests.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    Did I say criminals? I meant suspects, that`s all this flotilla was a group of suspects.
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    Kathal Male 40-49
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    November 25, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Or maybe this one of Hamas dragging a dead body through the streets

    The video can be found Here
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
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    November 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    Hamas ... Israel ... They deserve eachother.
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