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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    Link: Gaza Under Israeli Attack: Live Updates! - The IDF announces a widespread campaign on terror targets and begins bombing the Gaza Strip, prepping for ground op.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    We better not back Israel on this one.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    Oh goodie! More FAKE footage & pictures by the PLO, being played as if it were real by the American MSM...

    Before someone lectures me: Yeah I know the "PLO" is disbanded, divided into it`s former, founding groups again. Same poop, different piles...
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    RT is the English language propaganda wing of the Russian govt. They`re about as fair and balanced as fox news.

    They`re good for laughing at though.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    @Cajun: When Israel "hit" some Hamas General, they predicted it would bring the rockets, and LO! It did!
    #1 What do you do when your neighbor rains rockets on your citizens? Call the UN?
    #2 Obama has killed LOTS AND LOTS of "leaders" via drone strikes. It would be the height of hypocricy for him to NOT back Israel on this!

    But that`s exactly what he will do! Israel has no oil! Just like Syria! Only Libya gets "American Help" eh?

    The European Anti-Semites will never allow a Libya-style US support for Israel.

    >> As for the post:
    The timeline is excellent! Much better than I`d imagined it would be! Too bad most IABers will only look at...
    THE PICTURES! Which, as I predicted, are FAKE. (Just the "carrying the wounded" ones, the scenery ones? idk about those).
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    RT and Fox are not comparable. Fox and MSNBC are. Come on, now.


    But reading the way events unfolded, there is so much moral ambiguity in all of this, a common theme in Middle Eastern conflicts. Listen, what are you supposed to do if in a jurisdiction you don`t have control of (Gaza), they are firing rockets at you? One even hit a shopping center.


    However, if forced to take sides, I would have to take sides with Israel. Though I would acknowledge wrongdoings, I would gladly support the Democratic regime that is an island of science of progress in a sea of regression and oppression. Israeli Arabs have more rights than Arabs in arab countries. That means something.

    For those ultra-liberals out there, just imagine that the Arabs were Christian "fundamentalists" like Sarah Palin. Because, I hope you know, they`re not secular and progressive people. Then you will understand this perspective.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Good for them.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm
    I often hear conservatives talk about nuking the middle east into a parking lot...Could we PLEASE at least do Israel?

    Maybe it`s just the pics of injured kids getting to me, but of any country, they`ve proven they deserve it the most.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    Israel deserves nuking more than Syria? Saudi Arabia?

    Liberals are not really liberal. I`m quite convinced.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    HERE is what started all this! (10 seconds of goodness!)

    As far as I know, it was this event which caused the Hamas rockets, which then triggered the IDF`s response...

    @antagonizer: The pics at that site that upset you are faked. Your response is to murder millions of Jews, Arabs, Christians and everyone else in Israel? Over some tear-jerking pictures?
    O`really? How very "liberal of you"...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Only Libya gets "American Help" eh?
    The US should never have attacked Libya, and the Europeans were utterly hypocritical to beg for US assistance.

    We should not back either side, as we should not get involved. This is not our business.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    @5cats, I never claimed to be a liberal. Never claimed to be a conservative either. Both sides have their pluses and minuses in my eyes.

    As for Israel, yes, they are simply instituting a revenge initiative. A few subversives blow up a car, and so Israel dumps ordinance on civilians??? Sick and not an isolated incident. Not by a long shot.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    Avoid this report, computer gets loaded up, anti-V goes ape
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    It`s unfortunate that folks are dying and suffering in the Middle East; it`s so new and unusual.
    Whatever, I just don`t want America involved; Not financially, not through our intelligence services, and definitely not militarily. I don`t want congress to make any resolutions- whether or not the lobbyists and special interest groups who paid their way into their cushy, thieving jobs pressure them or not.
    Let the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe- and ALL of Europe for that matter, and everywhere else fend for themselves.
    It`s well past time to borrow a trick from China; Close our borders, tell the rest of the world to piss off, and work on building a better nation.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm
    I agree with @CaptKangaroo!

    America is in debt up to its metaphorical eyeballs. We can`t afford to help anyone else but ourselves right now. That`s the same as me having $100,000 in credit, and then loaning my sister $25,000 by charging it on another credit card.

    Makes no sense whatsoever.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    Report From The Same Site

    NOTE: I do not claim that there are NO casualties fom the attacks, OK?
    However: The pictures on that site are faked, staged, rehearsed and directed for propoganda purposes.

    That has been going on for ages now, by Hamas et al, and yet AP and the rest keep right on pushing them as if they were real... even when caught red-handed they barely admit it!

    I have tons of links, but all that has been hashed over before: the left will never admit it, we will never convince the anti-semites that the Palis are lieing... & etc.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    Yes, we should let the world deal with its own problems. Libya was dumb. The same people for that war were against the Iraq war, strangely. Europe relies on us for our military. It`s not worth it. Moral support with Israel, though.


    But in the case that they try to kill all the Jews, something that has more historical precedence than basically anything else in history (you really think we`re living in a special, enlightened time where everything is different?), the Jews can just come to live with us. We could use forward, scientific-focused immigrants. Besides, we are one of the few countries where Jews were ever safe.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Chief of Hamas is dead GJ!
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    5Cats - Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. Some of us don`t play the L vs R game. Both sides are EXTREMES, both sanity and logic are somewhere in the in between. Also: Poop, fart, boner...etc.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    @antagonizer: Look again before you comment please! It`s <Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari> getting sent to visit Allah in the video. He has proudly planned and carried out countless terror attacks, so the IDF gave his the martyrdom he deserves.
    THEN Hamas launced dozens, if not hundreds of rockets at civilians!
    Hamas has a long, proven history of using human shileds. Hiding behind the skirts of their women = Islam? I think Muhammed would NOT approve...

    @HumanAction: The fallout from things could be much worse if the USA doesn`t pick one side and stick with it.

    I agree: Libya was a farce: Frenchmen, Italians and Brits wanted their cheap oil, but didn`t have the stones to DO anything about it.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    Force Israelis and Palestinians to stand facing a corner holding hands with each other. Eventually they will hate it so much they won`t do this BS again ;)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    @turdy: lolz! Nicely said... poop!

    BUT I never claimed HE was a liberal, It`s what he SAID that`s "liberal" I don`t know or care what colour he paints himself, I can only go by his (very liberal) words...

    @MacGovern: Love that picture!
    Don`t forget she`d be: arrested for improper clothing, beaten for being outside without a male relative escort, gang raped for dressing like a slut...
    ... these apply to almost half of the Islamic countries, the worst being Saudi Arabia...
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    Also @5cats...How do people who disagree with Israel`s course of action become anti-semites? Regardless of whether or not you think the pictures are faked or staged, the reality is that both sides are suffering stupid losses and at this point it`s past ridiculous. What to do about it? IDK, but interfering doesn`t seem to help much unless we want to send out task forces to give them all spankings.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    5cats there are lot of semites that lives(in peace)all around the world and not in Israel that are against the military policy of that state. How can(dare) you call all the people that are against the behaviour of that militarized state(yes not a democracy,is a state ruled by the army from 60 years) antisemites, is kinda racist and don`t adhere to the truth. Is this way of thinking that generate hate and war. With me or against me, black or white,my reasons over your reasons and if you dont stick with me 100% you are the enemy,this way only lead to conflict.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    @inaria: People who turn a blind eye to the atrocities carried out DAILY within the Muslim world, BUT call every justifiable action made by the IDF an atrocity?
    Many European leaders, MOST news agencies are serious anti-semites. They use the "code words" for it of course...

    @piperfawn: How quickly you forget history!
    1967, 1973 = Israel invaded by MULTIPLE nations, The UN, America and Europe did... NOTHING!

    You`re claiming that the elections in Israel are fake? What do you base that on?
    Egypt (used to have), Pakistan, DOZENS of Muslim nations have ACTUAL Military Dictatorships. Doesn`t seem to bother you any...

    There comes a time when "not picking a side" is exactly the same as actually picking one, eh?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    5Cats you call all the people that are against Israel antisemites, is not fair for honests semites that have the right to don`t appreciate how Israel act. Israel is not representing the semites of the world and implyng that who is against Israel is an antisemite is pure rage and bs. Leave this kind of reasoning to people like Hitler please.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 4:48 pm
    @piperfawn: take a peek at the comments at that site: wall-to-wall anti-semites!

    "GO USA but Fk Israel nothing good down there i think all the Jews should just move to USA, do not be afraid American to speak out against the Jew`s if they call you a Anti Semite just tell them that the only semite thing in them is the Organs they stole from the Palestinian children,"

    Really?

    Also: "Jews make the best anti-semites"
    (an old Jewish saying...)
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    And i am claiming that a state that is ruled by an army from 60 years and where the military service is "obligatory" for both women and mans can`t be considered at my eyes as a democracy, is a regime like all the other regimes you mention. In Israel no matter at all what people votes, there will allways be only one force that rules that country and is the army. This is the history,is not my claiming.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    "take a peek at the comments at that site: wall-to-wall anti-semites!"

    And you can find tons of racist comments on FoxNews.com articles. What`s your point?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    Many European leaders, MOST news agencies are serious anti-semites. They use the "code words" for it of course...

    What logical somersaults led you to this conclusion?

    1967, 1973 = Israel invaded by MULTIPLE nations, The UN, America and Europe did... NOTHING!

    Yet Israel is a prosperous nation controlled by a secular government.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    @piperfawn: I`m not suggesting YOU think that, I AM saying that if you scratch the surface of an "Anti-Zionist" you quickly discover an anti-semite, 7 times out of 10... it`s a thin veil.

    Consider Helen Thomas!
    She never made her hatered of JEWS a secret! Yet she was considered a "prominant journalist" for decades!
    Obama`s Revrend for 20 years, J.Jones blames "jews" for a LOT of things. Also "whites" as well...
    All the mistakes Obama has made (according to him, not me) because "the Jews forced him to"!

    Every time an IABer blames Republicans for FORCING Obama`s keeping Gitmo open? I think of THAT and laugh!!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    where the military service is "obligatory"
    Sweden? Norway? Finland? Germany? Are they all "run by jews" @piperfawn?
    I thought you were living in Europe? A LOT of nations there have manditory service.

    @cajun: Italy and France both have had openly "anti-zionist" leaders in the past couple of decades, to name but two. Putin in Russia continues a loooong tradition of Soviet-style anti-semitism.

    Yet Israel is a prosperous nation controlled by a secular government.
    Wait, what? I thought it was a Military Dictatorship! LOLZ!

    So the fact that they`ve survived multiple invasions from the VERY SAME nations which currently threaten them, THAT means it`s OK to let Islam "have another try" at extermination?

    I`m clearly not following this logic...
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    Zionist are not representing at all semites. The equation Zionists=Semites is terribly wrong. When Israel will get rid of zionists will have the right to call himself as a land of semites. Zionism don`t represent at all the semites of the world. Is an extremist branch that in some case bring shame for semites.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    And there it is. 5Cats can turn anything into anti-liberal anti-Obama argument. Even if he has to pull out four year old BS. I bet he could turn the Bieber post anti-Obama.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    Military service
    Hmm where are you getting your info about military service in Europe 5cats?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    5Cats can you name the italian "anti zionist" leader pls?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    J-Post`s Coverage
    I have a LOT of respect for the people who run J-Post! Not that I agree with them all the time, I don`t! But they handle the nastiest subjects with respect and clear thinking!

    And talk about "close to the action"!

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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    I completely missed this one. You weren`t turning this into an anti-liberal thing 5Cats your whole rant here is geared up to say all liberals are anti-semites. Most everything to you is the fault of the MSM now here you are saying "MOST news agencies are serious anti-semites. They use the "code words" for it of course." Yeah, I get your code. Sounds to me like you are just projecting.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    Oh not again :-(
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    Lol poor sutra you have all reasons, for that i stop here my discussion with 5cats also cause he seems not to answer anymore to my objections.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    The fallout from things could be much worse if the USA doesn`t pick one side and stick with it.
    This is the same logic that led to Iraq and, with increasing certainty, will lead us to Iran. We should not be in the business of trading certain tragedies for hypotheticals.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    @markust: Helen Thomas is "BS"? Are you claiming she was mis-quoted? Are you claiming she is CORRECT? Are you saying she wasn`t an open BIGOT for all those years? (she was) Are you saying the MSM stopped her? (It did not!)

    WTF dude? You`ve been biting by buttocks a lot lately...

    @piperfawn: Sweden and Germany have changed? lolz! It USED TO be manditory! I know! The Germans were here in Manitoba every summer to train in their tanks.

    I`m counting 11 (13?) Euorpean countries with mandatory service, according to your linky... are you trying to prove me right?

    Berlisconi? That idiot who`s in the news <yet again>... he`s been nakedly anti-semetic for ages!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    "WTF dude? You`ve been biting my buttocks a lot lately."

    Sorry the antagonizer does not get to play the victim.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    @HumanAction: Pol Pot, Cambodia: lookitup!
    Then add Holocaust, Holodomor, and any other number of governments mass-murdering their OWN citizens...
    THEN! Consider that Libya was invaded to "prevent mass killings" (Obama`s `Official Excuse`!) BUT in Syria there ARE mass-killing right now! NO intervention!

    (I know we agree on Libya a lot! I`m making the point for other readers, eh?)

    So by "remaining neutral" in Syria we are: allowing the gov`t to genocide it`s OWN population. De Facto permission!

    Ditto for Israel/Iran: Allowing Iran to fund and supply weapons OPENLY to ACTIVE terrorists? HOW is that any different?

    Didn`t the USA invade Afghanistan because of that? Didn`t Obama claim it was "a just war" and support it 100%??
    They did. He still does. End of story.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    5Cats That piece of poo Berlusconi is all the scum you can immagine and also more but i am sure 100% he was not an anti semite. I am pretty sure that this idiot also don`t know what is a semite.
    Hmm 5cats i have a news for you, maybe you are colour blind or you don`t exactly know where Europe is.


    Green=No armed forces
    Blue=No enforced conscription
    Yellow=Plan to abolish conscription in the near future
    Red=Conscription
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    @5Cats

    Then add Holocaust, Holodomor, and any other number of governments mass-murdering their OWN citizens...
    These events have nothing to do with US citizens. Hence, it is not our business. We are not the worlds police force.

    So by "remaining neutral" in Syria we are: allowing the gov`t to genocide it`s OWN population. De Facto permission!
    I disagree entirely. How is it that a seperate, sovereign nation completely independent of the US requires permission for action or inaction? Again, this is not our business. I would not trade the lives of every Syrian (or any other nationality) for even one citizen of the US.

    Allowing Iran to fund and supply weapons OPENLY to ACTIVE terrorists?
    If there is proof of this, and acts against the US have been committed by terrorists funded by Iran, then Congress should declare war and obliterate Iran.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:52 pm
    your whole rant here is geared up to say all liberals are anti-semites.

    MOST (not all!) Democrats support the PLO...
    (see my earlier comment, keeping track of various terrorist factions is too much effort: ALL supporters of "Palistinian Liberation" support the PLO, period).
    ...the PLO is nakedly, actively, anti-semitic.

    SOME (far fewer) Republicans also support the PLO, but far more support Israel.

    Not - my - fault! The truth is plain to see.

    The unspeakably BIASED MSM coverage of all things related to Israel & Palistinians is so well documented, it`s embarassing!

    Here`s a hint: Shooting rockets at civilians = "retaliation".
    Blowing up sites which actually shoot those rockets = "war crimes".

    (sarc)It might be subtle, but even you can see the "ever so slight" bias here? (/end sarc)
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    ... and by obliterate I do not mean this current happy go lucky system we use. If we are seriously that pissed off to declare war on a nation, then we should destroy it. The entire infrastructure should be leveled; they should be knocked backwards 100 years.

    Then, we should simply leave without rebuilding a single thing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    @HumanAction: Not meaning to argue with you, I think we`re very close to being "on the same side" eh?
    I agree: The USA in general should keep it`s nose out of other countries business.
    Afghan: They brought the fight!
    Iraq: Violated the UN cease-fire for YEARS!
    Iran: Threatens to destroy America`s Ally...

    Wait, you`re not saying it`s OK to attack America`s Treaty Allies, are you?
    (This Canadian rather LIKES his southern neighbors and their humongous army!)

    @piperfawn: You want the list of 11 (or 13) countries? HOW MANY does it take for you? I was wrong about 2 of them, but correct: a LOT of Euro-nations have manditory service! (apart from those who have NO military at all... lolz!)
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    HumanAction Hitler is giggling in his tomb right now, i am pretty sure that he never come to such radicals opinions in his entire life. Maybe you must change your nickname in "AntiChrist Incarnation" or much easily in "DumbassAction".
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    5Cats pass me your special list pls.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    European Union

    i am talking about that. The future states that will enter the European Union that actualy have enforced conscription they will change the rule and will adequate to European Union policy that is for non enforced conscription.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    "The unspeakably BIASED MSM coverage of all things related to Israel & Palistinians is so well documented, it`s embarrassing!"

    You need to get off of the conservative watchdog sites. I used to look at liberal watchdog sites. They will make you crazy. It`s not real world. I`ve checked the news twice today and CNN.com, Foxnews.com and MSNBC.com are all reporting this as Israel responding to rockets fired on them first. The bias is all in your head. Seriously get off the conservative watchdog sites. Your world will be so much happier. Mine was. When I gave up opinion media two years ago I gave up cable news, partisan radio and liberal watchdog sites. It was giving up the watchdog sites that made me the happiest.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Afghanistan-Good for outing the taliban, but the nation building campaign was a travesty from the start.
    Iraq-Our response was gloriously disproportionate
    Iran-To any outside observer has so far failed to back such rhetoric with anything substantial.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Wait, you`re not saying it`s OK to attack America`s Treaty Allies, are you?
    I actually don`t think the US should be part of any such alliances. In my opinion, there is one goal and one goal only of any government: protect the rights of their constituents. I would expect the Canadian government, or any other government to behave the same way.

    i am pretty sure that he never come to such radicals opinions in his entire life
    Oh really? So let us get this correct: stating that war is bad and should only be used as a last resort; stating that war should be approved by a congress rather than one man; saying that wars should be ended quickly rather than drawn out via occupancy; saying that Afghanistan was wrong and that bombing Libya was wrong; all of these statements are so radical as to drawn a comparison to Hitler.

    Now I understand why Italy is failing.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    Fine @piperfawn. Remember it`s your own link! Didn`t you even read it?
    Remember: I said "Europe" NOT "European Union" those are entirely different things!

    Austria, Belarus, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finalnd, Greece, Norway, Switzerland, Moldova, Russia, Turkey, Ukrain. = 13

    I know for a fact Sweden and Germany both used to have it, but now don`t.

    Did you ever stop to consider that Israel has mandatory service because they are surrounded by hostile nations? Or that by requiring both men and women they are the MOST progressive country in terms of "women`s rights"??

    Unlike Saudi Arabia where women are NOT allowed to drive a car... (for ONE example out of 100...)

    This distraction is silly...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:21 pm
    Maybe you must change your nickname in "AntiChrist Incarnation" or much easily in "DumbassAction"
    Piperfawn, perhaps your own stupidity has so fantastically eclipsed whatever shred of intelligence you may once have had that the best course of action is simply to sit idly and quiety while more intelligent creatures hold conversation.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    HumanAction stating that "obliterating" a contry," we should destroy it. The entire infrastructure should be leveled; they should be knocked backwards 100 years. "
    Yes i am pretty sure that Adolf is still giggling in his tomb tanks to you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    [quote">Iran-To any outside observer has so far failed to back such rhetoric with anything substantial.[/quote">
    @Cajun: Except for arming the terrorists? And funding them. And training them. Also building a NUCLEAR BOMB...
    ASIDE from that... What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us?

    @HumanAction: I understand the attraction of "isolationism" really I do! But as long as America DEPENDS on foriegn oil? It ain`t gonna work.
    Re-Flagging Kuwaiti tankers during the Iran-Iraq war, remember that? Few people do...

    Also: protecting American assets around the world is a lot easier if the locals HELP rather than HATE, eh?

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    Yes i am pretty sure that Adolf is still giggling in his tomb tanks to you.
    So the answer then is yes, you are an idiot. I must insist that you consider my recommendation of idly watching the conversation.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    @piperfawn: Hitler didn`t want to "obliterate" any nation! He wanted "Lebensraum"! It was the Stalinists who "scorched the earth" you know.

    He also wanted England, France and the USA to "stay out of it" too...

    Your knowledge of history is... weaksauce...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Also: protecting American assets around the world is a lot easier if the locals HELP rather than HATE, eh?
    Easy enough; we shouldn`t have assets around the world. I am a proponent of closing our foreign bases and embassies.

    But as long as America DEPENDS on foriegn oil? It ain`t gonna work.
    Drill baby, drill. In all seriousness though, I`m not suggesting cutting off trade around the world of anything of that manner. Simply, the US forces should be used only to protect the rights of US citizens.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    5Cats i am an EU citizen and when i talk about Europe i talk about EU in the same way as an USA citizen refere to himself as an American.
    Or when they sing "America drat yeah" waving just and only an USA flag.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    [quote">Except for arming the terrorists? And training them. Also building a NUCLEAR BOMB...
    [/quote">

    None of which has been definitively proven. Funding yes because they`re political allies, but that`s about as deep as those connections go. The mullah`s are a bunch of narcissitic eggheads who love governing. They`re also smart enough to know that an attack on Israel would bring swift retaliation. Even if, somehow, they have managed to get away with aiding Hamas they understand clearly that a nuclear attack on anyone, especially Israel, would inevitably doom their country to becoming the world`s largest parking lot.

    Say how`s that nation building campaign in Afghanistan going?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    HumanAction i don`t take any recomendation by "AntiChrist" or idiots like you. What you say in that post is here and every one can read it. In any case if i have to wait for "more intelligent creatures hold conversation" just reading your posts i can easily bet i will die in front of my monitor for starvation.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    I understand the attraction of "isolationism" really I do!

    If you truly did understand it you`d know it`s called NON-INTERVENTIONISM!
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    instead of protecting assets, they should jail the asshats that send people to war.. all of them. Appears that the world needs an alien force that plainly stops every country from existing that starts wars and then moves on. Like a kind of "I`ve seen enough, lets hit with the fist on the table" and then drat off and hope the earth learned. that should sort out the asshats
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    5Cats in fact i didn`t say that Hitler want to obliterate any nation, i say that HumanAction wanted that. Maybe you are both drunk.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    `The unspeakably BIASED MSM coverage of all things related to Israel & Palistinians is so well documented, it`s embarassing!`

    You`re kidding. The MSM almost always ignores the Palestinians. The only time you ever see them is when they`re throwing rocks.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    @piperfawn: Fair enough then; I will simply troll you.

    What you say in that post is here and every one can read it
    Indeed. This is how comments work. Only an idiot wouldn`t know that...

    i say that HumanAction wanted that
    Actually, I very clearly stated that I do not want to do this. I stated that *IF* we are pissed enough to go to war, then we should. It`s OK, I forgive you; I realize your English is lacking.

    Maybe you are both drunk.
    Perhaps then I would be able to speak like an imbecile - in a manner that you would be able to understand.
    just reading your posts i can easily bet i will die in front of my monitor for starvation
    So you are admitting to being an idiot then...


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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    5Cats i am an EU citizen and when i talk about Europe i talk about EU
    That`s a "fair cop" @piperfawn! We seem to have miscommunicated a little, eh?

    We Canadains are VERY careful to NOT confuse "America" with "North America" which is Canada, USA and Mexico...

    Still, several EU countries do have some mandatory service... not "a lot" if you put those other limits on it, but still...

    @cajun: Um, those rockets they keep firing BY THE THOUSANDS? Most were built in Iran... just fyi... (rather: made from parts of which the critical ones were built in Iran, to be accurate)
    Also: guns, ammunition, explosives & stuff. And training, and money...

    Monty Python = comedy gold!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    Um, those rockets they keep firing BY THE THOUSANDS? Most were built in Iran... just fyi...

    Hmm... the word "katyusha" comes to mind, wait...

    ...this is Iran?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    Also: guns, ammunition, explosives & stuff. And training,

    Sorry, still calling bull5h17.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm
    HumanAction i admire your persistance on turning words but usualy only low minded or cowards do that.
    "Indeed. This is how comments work. Only an idiot wouldn`t know that..."
    And is for this exact reason that i had the kindness to remember you how comments work cause i know for sure you are an...idiot.
    "If" or not"If" your thinks on how to procede in the case are clear.
    "Perhaps then I would be able to speak like an imbecile - in a manner that you would be able to understand.
    No i think that you are drunk cause you are able to read, your brain when you are drunk can do things that when you are sobber can`t.
    "So you are admitting to being an idiot then..."
    nope i am stating that if i have to wait something intelligent from you i can stay forever in front of monitor whit the only result to die waiting in vain.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    5Cats 2 is several?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    In any case 5Cats in every of the "several" EU states that still have mandatory service if you don`t want to go you can allways ask for "Conscientious objection to military service".
    In Israel you go direct to jail,is this for you democracy?
  79. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    "If you truly did understand it you`d know it`s called NON-INTERVENTIONISM!"

    @Cajun: po-TAY-toe? po-TAH-toe?

    Cerebus The Aardvark had a hysterically funny "inside joke": Tarim (the name for God, think Conan The Barbarian`s
    "Crom")
    is pronounced TAH-rim by one religious faction, and TEH-rim by another... hilarity and bloodshed (Jihad style!) ensue over the difference...

    If you`ve not read Cerebus, you`ve missed out! People whine "eew! Dave Sim is a Misogynist!"... you don`t think Hemmingway was one?

    Also: Sim converted to Islam recently, doesn`t lessen my opinion of his writing & art...
  80. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    @Cajun: That`s the TYPE of rocket, the model? It`s main components (those which make it "go") are made in Iran and smuggled into Lebanon and Gaza...
    "Copy-cat" weapons have been around for centuries...

    @piperfawn: I`m still counting 6: Greece, Finland, Denmark, Cyprus, Estonia, Austria... they`re ALL on your list of EU Nations...

    Really dude? You`re ZERO for 7 thus far... just admit I`m right (and there was a little misunderstanding too) and MOVE ON...

    Kids In The Hall: Bar Fight!

    It`s longish, and rather tough to watch, but FUNNY! OMG! When Queen Elizabeth shows up? THAT is comedy gold! (4:20)
  81. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 7:56 pm
    @piperfawn

    I must ask, have you always been this stupid or is it an acquired trait? I am only asking because I am writing a research article that it pertains to: Are Italians Born Stupid or Do They Acquire Stupidity?

    I look forward to your reply. The scientific world thanks you for your participation.

    "If" or not"If" your thinks on how to procede in the case are clear.
    Also, a seperate "shout out" for writing the single least comprehensible sentence even written on IAB. Congratulations friend, you`ve earned it.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    HumanAction Yay! If is not comprehensible for you so now i am sure that all have understood what i say.
    I suggest you to leave the countries a part man or you have lost at the start.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    5Cats my point still stand. Is jail against "Conscientious objection to military service" or no mandatory at all.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    @piperfawn

    This is fun, wouldn`t you say? Here I am casting witty insults while you stumble about randomly tossing words in a vain attempt to save yourself from drowning.

    I do enjoy watching a fool struggling not to sink from the weight of his own imbecility.

    I await your next outburst most enthusiastically.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    F*** the Palestinians. They`re nothing but depraved barbarian filth. I`m rootin` for Israel.
  86. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    Lolz! @HumanAction: However I DO cut @piperfawn a lot of slack because:
    1) He`s a nice guy overall!
    2) English IS NOT his first language, YOU try expressing yourself in a foriegn tongue... I know I am HOPELESS at OTE languages!
    3) Oh heck, I forgot #3... he`s polite? That`s true too!
    Oh wait! I remember! He has a cool name & a cat avatar! Honestly, he can`t be "all bad" eh?

    Italians: Born stupid. Any born with intelligence are beaten stupid.
    Those few who survive both the DNA curse AND the beatings are recruited into the Mafia 99% of the time...
    (NOTE: replace Italian and Mafia with any other nation & crime syndicate... works just as well.)

    Is jail against "Conscientious objection to military service" or no mandatory at all.
    I could NOT disagree more. You`re really sounding desperate, dude.

    Go read Cerebus The Aardvark!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    "I do enjoy watching a fool struggling not to sink from the weight of his own imbecility."
    You have a mirror in front of your bath tube?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    @piperfawn

    My lasagna is better than yours.

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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 8:52 pm
    Im not picking a side, I think theres faults and justifications on both sides.. but whatever the scenario I hope they hash this poo the f out ..its been going on waaaay too long.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    Israel has taken enough poo. It`s long past due for them to deliver a good ass kicking.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    and people ask me why i`m atheist
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 15, 2012 at 1:29 am
    Paradoxically enough this thread reads like the Israel - Palestine endless war
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 15, 2012 at 1:32 am
    HumanAction

    ``My lasagna is better than yours.``

    Need pics :-P
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 3:34 am
    I`d be interested to see how Israel would fare without the almighty americans backing them up.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    November 15, 2012 at 4:44 am
    One week after the election.

    Coincidence?
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 5:02 am
    @ledzeppeloyd

    Sure, cause atheists never fight over anything ever, and all religions fight non-stop. Did you see the Buddist v.s. Hindu wars, nasty stuff.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 5:59 am
    @Cajun247

    It`s well documented Hamas is back by Iran.

    As for piper mabey this would tell you something about Italy.Italian Parliment declares 44%
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 6:04 am
    Lets not listen to Europe on Israel their track record speaks for itself. I don`t side with people who support terrorist organizations, that use children as shields and proxies or their schools as bases while said children are in it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 6:12 am
    @ferdyfred: While my lasagna is rather good, I`ve still got some work to do on it. Meatballs on the other hand; let`s just say I make some damn good meatballs.

    Ha - I was only trying to show @piperfawn how ridiculous we were being. I think he was under the impression that only I was being ridiculous.

    One week after the election.
    I don`t think so. I had heard that Israel was planning unilateral action if Obama won and was hoping for bilateral action if Romney won. I am concerned, however, that this will spill into Iran.

    Did you see the Buddist v.s. Hindu wars, nasty stuff.
    Not to mention those damned Confucianists!
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 6:19 am
    As an Israeli, I really hope Israel will pay for this atrocities. Looking forward to leaving this poohole.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 6:20 am
    If you would bother checking, you would see that the amount of Palestinians killed by Israelis since 1948 is far higher than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 7:07 am
    HumanAction no way, and if you want to fight about food against Italy i can only admire your braveness but trusth me you will be just like Don Chisciotte against windmills.
    Anyway is not a bad idea, let`s the world do wars with recipes and food instead of missiles and guns.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    November 15, 2012 at 7:21 am
    god wants them to kill each other
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 7:36 am
    if you want to fight about food against Italy i can only admire your braveness
    New York City alone has as many 3 Michelin star restaurants as all of Italy. If I were from France or Japan, I could easily say that my country beats Italy across the board, as per Michelin star restaurants.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 7:53 am
    HumanAction Michelin guide is just poo. The more you pay the more stars you get on that guide. If you ask me to go eat at a michelin restaurant or at some truck drivers restaurant in the middle of nowhere in Italy i will go without any doubt to the truck driver restaurant. Only there you can find the real italian food. A waiter in tuxedo don`t make my dish more tasty, a traditional "osteria" with an old woman or man in the kitchen make my dish faboulus.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 8:07 am
    If you would bother checking, you would see that the amount of Palestinians killed by Israelis since 1948 is far higher than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians.

    So that somehow means Israel should just let them launch missles at them. I think that just shows who`s winning.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    November 15, 2012 at 8:37 am
    End the aggression. End the occupation. End the blockade.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2012 at 8:40 am
    If you ask me to go eat at a michelin restaurant or at some truck drivers restaurant in the middle of nowhere in Italy i will go without any doubt to the truck driver restaurant
    Holy hell, I think we share an opinion on something and the world is still here. I don`t think it matters what country you are in; nine times out of ten, the "middle of nowehere" or "hole in the wall" diner will outclass the fancy places.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 15, 2012 at 10:30 am
    vv @Draculya: Do you have any clue as to how stupid that sounds?
    Israel, surrender everything - get nothing in return!
    Oh yeah, that`s a great idea...

    @MacGovern: Nice link! No wonder @piperfawn doesn`t like Jews, 44% of Italians are anti-semites!
    And with piles of Muslims moving into Europe, it`s just going to get worse...
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    5Cats so for you i don`t apreciate my roots? What you still don`t understand is that someone can be jew and don`t support Israel, someone can be against zionism and be semite. I for my self i`m an agnostic despite the origin of my family and i am really gratefull to not be guided by any religion on my mind or to consider myself different from others cause of religion.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    November 15, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Unfortunately while people hold archaic and absurd medieval beliefs there will always be this conflict.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 15, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    @piperfawn: That`s fair, and I`m not trying to accue you of anything!
    I AM pointing out that what you`re saying sounds a LOT like anti-semitism.
    And that there`s a tiny, almost non-existant line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, in practice! It looks fine "on paper" (in theory) but it`s very rare to meet an "anti-Zionist" who isn`t really an anti-semite too.

    AND: Palestinians are TOTALLY anti-semites! 90+% of them! As are the rest of the Muslim AND Arabic world!

    Anti Zionist Conspiracy Theories

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