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Date: 11/20/12 02:14 PM

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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    Link: Ahmed Jabari Killed Despite Permanent Truce - Besides this article, look in the CREDITS link for a non-biased article from Haaretz.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    It has long been known that rocket attacks have been orchestrated from `civilian` locations; Hospitals, schools, what have you. Shrewd tactics? Cowardice? It depends, I guess, with whom you sympathize. Either way, it`s a shame.
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    scruffydog Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    Wow. That news isn`t even a week old. Scoop.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    Permanent truce? What are you on? List of Palestinian rocket attacks onto Israel There`s not a truce because one side says there is(while still escalating and being militant). If Hamas wanted a truce they wouldn`t keep firing rockets into Israel... If Hamas didn`t want Israel to attack they would have kept firing single missiles against Iron Dome instead they changed their tactics to try and overwhelm the system. To say there was a truce is such complete BS it`s beyond belief. The only reason you don`t heard about constant rocket attacks on Israel is they`re the ONLY "bad guys" and they have invested in the capability to suffer few casualties, with air raid shelters an their defence shield. It`s even more crazy to say Israel did this out of nowhere the article even states Israel forewarned they were going to attack the
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    and people ask me why i`m atheist
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    November 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Wow I heard this all like a week ago can we get more current events?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    Oh and this is also from Haaretz...

    According to a November 2009 survey conducted by Haaretz, 57% of Israelis support the view of MK Shaul Mofaz of Kadima, that Israel should establish a dialogue with Hamas under certain conditions, for example, that Hamas renounces violence, recognizes Israel`s right to exist as a Jewish nation, and loses its designation as a terrorist organization. Hamas responded to this by labeling it `Zionist vulgarity` and stating that they will never negotiate with or recognize their `enemy`, the state of Israel.

    So please tell me how they are the only `victim` in all this?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    It seems to me that Israel is undermining the peace process. Here`s why. For a while now, Abbas has been trying to pursue diplomatic efforts, including the establishment of a Palestinian state recognized by the U.N.. Israel and the U.S. sank those efforts the last time around.

    By ignoring Abbas` peaceful efforts, Hamas is only empowered, because the Palestinians don`t see any progress from Abbas.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Truce? WHAT truce? Hamas has fired an average of 70 rockets or mortar rounds PER MONTH this year!
    Real Facts!
    Scroll down a bit for the chart.
    October: 171 were fired... Truce? 700+ This year BEFORE the 1,000+ this month. Truce? What sort of "truce" allows ONE side to murder civilians?

    @piperfawn your week-old article(s) are just packed with lies. The "Newsday" one is "ok" but the other? Pure Hamas propoganda!

    #1 He got a "draft" of a truce = NOT a real, legally binding document! Hamas always "wants to talk peace" but their idea of "peace" is that ALL the JEWS move out of Israel.

    @Bakcagain: Wicked good Wiki linky! I think my source only cites attacks directly from Gaza...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    @FP: Abbas of Fatah?
    He`s NOT EVEN IN GAZA! How does that have ANYTHING to do with it?

    Other than to BLAME THE JEWS, obviously...

    I`m literally shaking my head in disbelief.
    Hamas is firing thousands of rockets and YOU want to talk about... Fatah.
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    97e4ad Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    Two peoples both of who say the God is their real estate agent, and they each claim exclusive right to the same land. And they can`t get along. What a surprise.

    This does not belong, IMHO, on this site. I think most of us come here for humor and expanded, lighthearted context. Depression we have already, from work, marriage, and life in the global food chain. More depression we do not need. Go elsewhere and peddle you vitriol, after you look up the word vitriol.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    @97e: If your marriage depresses you? You`re probably doing it wrong...

    Life In The Foodchain - Tonio K.

    I agree that IAB is no place for "propoganda" which this CRAP clearly is...
    But others might think MY POSTS are propoganda too...
    Thus: as long as @FancyLad (and @The Mods) put it up? It`s part of IAB and I accept that.

    You`re old enough to remember Tonio K? eh? Sheer genius!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    @5Cats: Yes, listen to this NPR interview from today.

    Hamas More Attractive to Palestinians Than PLO
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    Also, what I`m saying is that Israel is making Hamas more attractive to the Palestinians by refusing to hear Abbas` ideas. Abbas is clearly more moderate than Hamas, wouldn`t you agree?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    "...and by `permanent truce` we mean that we get to lob hundreds of missiles into your neighborhoods, and you get to shut the f*** up and take it!"
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    @FoolsPrussia: Well yes I`d agree that Fatah is "more moderate" than Hamas...

    A rattlesnake is "less poisonous" than a "Fer de Lance" too! (one of my favorite snakes!) but I`d STRONGLY prefer to NOT be bitten by one!

    The FACT is that Fatah got their arses handed to them! Hamas KICKED them out, by force, from Gaza, in shame and disgrace. They took refuge in the West Bank and now Fatah has ZERO power... close to it anyhow.

    Hamas and Fatah are NO LONGER even remotely associated, the PLO has officially bitten the dust. Both were founding members, yes?

    "Dealing with Fatah" does absolutely NOTHING in terms of Gaza and Hamas, period.

    Your radio link points this out: ARAB LEADERS support Hamas, NOT Fatah...

    Your link seems to agree with me... a lot!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    I never said Fatah support Hamas. Why would they? They`re rivals.

    You don`t seem to understand my point. IF Abbas had been able to deliver, then Palestinians wouldn`t have turned to Hamas.

    From wikipedia:

    `Efraim Sneh, a former minister in the Israeli cabinet, has called Abbas the most "courageous partner we have had." He wrote that on 19 April 2006, following the elections in Israeli but before Ehud Olmert was sworn in, he met with Abbas and Abbas requested that negotiations resume immediately with the new Israeli government and that he be put in touch right away with a contact person to be appointed by the prime minister. Sneh reported that he immediately conveyed the substance of their meeting to the prime minister`s office, but was told that the prime minister had no interest in the matter.`
    Source
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:33 am
    Despite permanent truce? Unbiased article? It is simply a more biased article, it even says it is from the point of view of an activist.

    There was no truce. Hamas was firing rockets into Israel, which kind of precludes a truth. Oh, and before anyone says something idiotic about "proportionate" learn what it means in military terms. It relates to the force required to achieve a legitimate military objective, nothing to do with the scale of casualties on either side.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:42 am
    "It has long been known that rocket attacks have been orchestrated from `civilian` locations; Hospitals, schools, what have you. Shrewd tactics? Cowardice? It depends, I guess, with whom you sympathize. Either way, it`s a shame."

    No. Either way it is a WAR CRIME. To add to the war crime of firing weapons indiscriminately towards civilian populations.

    The western press never mention this. Nor do they ever mention that their tear-jerker stories are staged or twisted, as has been the case in this conflict (a 4-year-old boy said by western news sources to have been killed by an Israeli missile was in fact killed by a Hamas rocket).
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2012 at 1:51 am
    OldOllie
    "...and by `permanent truce` we mean that we get to lob hundreds of missiles into your neighborhoods, and you get to shut the f*** up and take it!"

    Pretty much covers the history
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 6:26 am
    Do not side with those who use children for PR shields they have no honor. Hamas doesn`t want land they want to wipe jewish people off the planet.

    @piperfawn
    You never did tell me your feelings about Jewish people. Thoughts?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:13 am
    @FP: Your "revisionist history" needs a good reality check. Fatah used to run Gaza, but the terror attacks, rockets and such STILL went on! The reason Fatah has (more or less) stopped terror attacks is: Hamas gets all the Arabic funding now.
    In 2006 Fatah was every bit as militant and bloodthirsty as any other PLO member group. Sure their leader talked nice, but since he didn`t speak for the majority? What good is that?

    Arafat ALWAYS came to "talk peace"... while his own people were murdering civilians! Israel`s or their own, it didn`t matter.

    Hamas Still Killing Fellow Pales

    @randomxp: True that! Check the link, pictures of dead Syrian children being "reported" as Palestinians... pathetic!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2012 at 7:36 am
    @5Cats: Good lord. You really enjoy putting words in my mouth. I never made any claims to the contrary. I simply said that Abbas was working on achieving a peaceful solution. I never said Fatah didn`t engage in attacks. Did you even read the quote I supplied from Efraim Sneh?

    The USA has made the same mistake many times. Most recently, we did it with Iran after 9/11. Iran`s more moderate leadership was helping us against the Taliban in Afghanistan. They provided us with information on Taliban locations, which we used. When Iran asked to sit down with us for talks, the Bush administration completely snubbed them. So what happened? The moderates lost the election because their tactics didn`t work, and the hardline Ahmadinejad was swept into power. We missed our chance.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2012 at 11:58 am
    I simply said that Abbas was working on achieving a peaceful solution.
    @FP: Yes, and?
    I replied: The PLO (and it`s sub-groups) are ALWAYS happy to "talk" but never actually DO anything!
    Fatah isn`t even IN Gaza, how would diplomacy with them help the situation there? That assumes Abbas actually agreed to anything, not likely!
    With Arabic Leaders fully supporing Hamas`s terrorism? Any deal Fatah reached with Israel would be considered "weakness" by the ones who are causing the trouble. It would NOT get them to lay down their arms...

    Yes, your link shows him talking, and talking, and talking...
    "On 25 May, Abbas gave Hamas a ten-day deadline to accept the 1967 ceasefire lines." (from your link)
    And spouting rhetoric he KNOWS will NEVER be accepted... some "diplomat" he is!
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